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End of year tour: Wales (15) v South Africa (24) F/T


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 9 Nov 2013 at 18:00
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Heyneke’s Boks go up against Wales in Cardiff, in this, their tour opener.

Will the most-experienced Bok backline ever picked show its class today?

Kick-off is at 7:30pm South African time.

Wales: 15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 George North, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Scott Williams, 11 Liam Williams, 12 Rhys Priestland, 9 Mike Phillips, 8 Toby Faletau, 7 Sam Warburton (captain), 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Alun Wyn Jones, 4 Bradley Davies, 3 Adam Jones, 2 Richard Hibbard, 1 Gethin Jenkins.
Replacements: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Paul James, 18 Scott Andrews, 19 Luke Charteris, 20 Justin Tipuric 21 Lloyd Williams, 22 James Hook, 23 Ashley Beck.

South Africa: 15 Pat Lambie, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 MornΓ© Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 GurthrΓΆ Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 JJ Engelbrecht, 23 Willie le Roux.


224 Comments

  • I’m slightly worried about our chances today.

    Wales are very capable of playing decent rugby and the last number of games went down to the wire, with only a handful of points in it.
    At some point the crucial ball will bounce the other way and a close win will become a close loss.

    Will that day be today?

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.11.13 18:38:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • A quality welsh team, but me thinks an improving bok team should still b too good

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.11.13 18:46:48 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Boks by plenty. 😈

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.11.13 19:01:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • Here’s a fun fact, Pat Lambie now has more caps than Francois Pienaar.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.11.13 19:33:35 by David12246 Reply

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  • Im worried about Frans Malherbe

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.11.13 19:34:43 by DBOY Reply

     
  • Lovely tackle by Steyn there.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.11.13 19:35:34 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : Steyn’s good tackle for the match

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.11.13 19:36:14 by DBOY Reply

     
  • Good to see Pietersen back. How old is he? 28?

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.11.13 19:37:17 by DBOY Reply

     
  • What a break Davies

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.11.13 19:39:52 by DBOY Reply

     
  • 6 – 3

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.11.13 19:41:18 by DBOY Reply

     
  • Wales looking good at the breakdown

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.11.13 19:43:01 by DBOY Reply

     
  • Jdv try!

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.11.13 19:44:17 by DBOY Reply

     
  • Lambie at 10!

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.11.13 19:53:55 by DBOY Reply

     
  • What a fortuitous injury

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.11.13 19:58:44 by durbsguy Reply

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  • Malherbe not impressing

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.11.13 20:02:44 by DBOY Reply

     
  • @DBOY (Comment 5) : Well he is not having a good game thus far.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.11.13 20:22:58 by Mutley Reply
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  • @DBOY (Comment 15) : rather a few not impressing. Hopefully Lambie’s average performance will be missed.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.11.13 20:23:27 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @DBOY (Comment 15) : If I was Meyer I’d bring on Coenie

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.11.13 20:23:28 by Mutley Reply
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  • Jacque Fourie and Jp not looking too good

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.11.13 20:24:34 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 19) : The look slow, unfit and off pace

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.11.13 20:35:43 by Mutley Reply
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  • It’s obvious why the AB’s are consistently number 1 and we’re not.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.11.13 20:53:44 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Yes JP and J.Fourie not looking good. Thank goodness Malherbe is off.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.11.13 20:54:41 by DBOY Reply

     
  • Alain Roland getting bigger than the game

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.11.13 20:55:36 by DBOY Reply

     
  • Lambie has been kak today.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.11.13 21:11:44 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 24) : It’s Meyer’s fault. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.11.13 21:18:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • A win is a win. 😎

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.11.13 21:22:05 by McLovin Reply

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  • Not bad considering we had 3 Japanese players in the backline. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.11.13 21:23:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) : πŸ˜€

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.11.13 21:25:52 by rhineshark Reply
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  • So just watched the Alain Rolland Show. Guest starring Wales and South Africa.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.11.13 21:26:41 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 25) : I would love to think so, because Willie was equally rubbish… 😯

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.11.13 21:27:34 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Jinne but the BBC pundits can bitch. πŸ™„

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.11.13 21:27:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 29) : I actually agreed with the Frog Paddy for once.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.11.13 21:29:09 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 30) : Really? Reckon big Willie was ok-ish. But no-one was really that good I suppose.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.11.13 21:30:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 31) : Du Preez’s try would have had the Supersport panel bitching too, had the boot been on the other foot.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.11.13 21:31:14 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Allez les Bleus?

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.11.13 21:32:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 33) : He didn’t once take the ball as first receiver and, outside of one good territorial kick, he was a FdP clone at fullback.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.11.13 21:34:22 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 35) : Oui!

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.11.13 21:35:07 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Allain Rolland was clueless at the breakdown and had a shocker!

    Glad Piet has got his first cap, shame he got no opportunities though!

    Anyone know what happened to Steyn? It seemed one minute he was on and kicking for goal and the next minute he was gone…

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.11.13 21:36:13 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • Bismarck first at the ruck, hands on the ball in our 22…

    “No hands green!”

    What the hell. Learn the rules idiot.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.11.13 21:41:52 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • Hate to say it but Lambie was shit. He played well until he was put at Flyhalf, and then it seemed there was a lack of cohesion between him ,Du Preez and the rest of the back line.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.11.13 21:49:13 by Talent Reply
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  • JPP’s cross-defense today was incredible. I can only assume he’s used to sweeping the entire backline in the Nippon league with plenty of quick little bastards breaking the line at will. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.11.13 21:49:22 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Lambie gets an opportunity to play most of a match at 10 and he has a game he probably want to forget. Our Jap players look awfully out of shape and form – FdP gets MOM probably only for that last try. Apart from that he was nothing special either

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.11.13 21:52:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 42) : Could be Meyer’s game plan. We won, but we we’re never dominant. You can’t be if you kick all your ball away. The AB’s vs Frogs game will show how it should be done.

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.11.13 21:57:50 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 43) : Kicking was the best tactic with the ref’s handling of the breakdown.

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.11.13 22:02:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Yeah Lambie had a bad game along with most of the guys. Players that actually stood out for me were Alberts, Bissie (Still too hard for Rugby), Jean & Duane.

    One major gripe about Rolland. “Red its a ruck! Hands off!” vs the instant penalties against us for the same thing.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.11.13 22:02:36 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) : GOOD kicking, yes. Our kicking was rubbish.

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.11.13 22:05:20 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 45) : To be fair, that’s common amongst just about all refs.

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.11.13 22:07:37 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 46) : I thought a couple of up and unders were good, but quite a few too far.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.11.13 22:09:15 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 48) : Jip. And plenty of unnecessary ones. At one stage I was rooting for Wales to counter and score off one, just so that we would stop.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.11.13 22:12:11 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Welsh commentators said bokke best in world when it comes to up and unders and chasing them down. They also said bokke better with steyn at 10.

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.11.13 22:25:37 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • I reckon the boys did well enough considering the new combinations and facing some really inconsistent reffing where everything except the lineouts were a gamble. Our defence actually pleasantly surprised me, I was expecting more rust. Can’t blame them for kicking everything away and waiting for the Welsh to be penalised or make the mistake. It’s a Bok strength and they made good use of it.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.11.13 22:27:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The pitch was terrible.
    The referee ridiculous.
    The red-zone defense awesome.
    LO’s and mauls were dominant.
    Scrums were a toss up, as usual.
    Fourie is not at test match level and Lambie at 10 is no Morne Steyn

    But all in all, I’m pretty pleased.
    We beat the NH champions, pretty much the same team that humiliated the Aussies a few months ago, by 9 points. Three tries to zero.

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.11.13 22:27:41 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Its because of our kicking that we are nr2 and not nr5 in the world. That’s also why f du preez got man of the match

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.11.13 22:29:39 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 53) : It’s also why we’re not no 1.

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.11.13 22:32:28 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Lambie will now know the cc means nothing. Still think he will make a great fullback even if he doesn’t have the speed for 15.

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.11.13 22:34:02 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • Lambie tried too hard and not a lot came off tonite. Had he managed 1 of the drop kicks and the penalty people probably would not have been on his case at all.

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.11.13 22:47:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Feel for Bambie. Got a golden chance and absolutely blew it.

    Strange game. Stats wise it was all Wales, yet it ended 3 tries to none.
    Thanks to great defence and a few opportunities take very well.

    End of the day not the best display, masked by a win.
    The Japanese guys are simply not up to the pace; was rather inevitable really. Nippon league is certainly no SuperRugby.

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.11.13 23:24:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 56) :

    The drop-kicks were fine. It’s low percentage plays, but you give up very little anyway. The penalty kick was out of his range, JdV should have gone for a LO. Not Lambie’s mistake. Neither was the cross-kick that almost went terribly wrong. His only real mistake was getting turned over at that tackle. A 10 should never carry the ball into that situation. Not in a Test match.

    Kick or pass, kick or pass. The only time for a 10 to run, is back into traffic, if you have no other choice, or making the big break. Else, kick or pass, and stay on your feet.
    His defense was excellent, his covering at the back and return kicks superb.

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.11.13 23:26:33 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 54) :

    We’re not going to pass the ABs with running rugby. The recent Test at Ellis Park should have made that clear enough.

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.11.13 23:28:56 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 59) : How did we score all our tries against them? Not by kicking everything away, that’s for sure.

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.11.13 23:32:19 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Lambie needs consistency ,confidence and some free reign just as Le Roux has been given.

    Not good tonight ,but he is ,in my mind atleast ,our best 10 still.

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.11.13 23:41:26 by Talent Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 60) : What he fails to recognize is that soft defense lost us that game and that the Blue Bulls brigade, among others, were once again at the core of that problem.

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.11.13 23:54:36 by Talent Reply
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  • its good to have a flyhalf that will attack the line once in a while and not just kick. Lambie deserves to be baptised in the 10 position, give him a few tests and develop him with Fdp, you remember MS and Fdp go way back. MS automatically has that extra edge over any flyhalf in the country. not lambie’s best game but it was way better than Morne imo… Psdt needs to start with EE and willie’s defence needs a lil work. Am I the only one that realized how starved of the ball our backline was, Hm was definitely playing it safe today. Hats off to Bismark – what a player, what a heart… Very few hookers run support plays with backline players.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.11.13 00:11:34 by Eli Reply

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  • Ok something that is bugging me. Rolland was handing out penalties left and right on just about every scrum. But was blaming both THs. Surely this can only mean that he really had no idea who was at fault but felt like he had to give a penalty to someone.

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.11.13 00:15:27 by gregkaos Reply
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  • People are blaming Lambie for something that was almost entirely down to the forwards not dominating the breakdown. To be honest, he actually did a good job of distributing and let’s not forget, HE WAS A MONSTER ON DEFENSE! It wasn’t a great showing by the team, but I really hope this doesn’t make HM automatically toss Lambie back to the bench. He saved the team.

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.11.13 03:40:47 by David12246 Reply

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  • Am i mad? Did I watch the same game as everyone else?

    I thought Fourie Du Preez had a shocker of a game, except for the one good kick that led to the try that should never have been allowed. I thought his kicking was generally bad and his passing was terrible, yet the commentators award him man of the match?

    To be fair, Lambie did not have a great game with his solitary missed kick at poles and his fluffed drop goal attempts, but other than that he did what he could with the very poor ball he received from FdP.

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.11.13 06:53:21 by jonnow Reply

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  • Isn’t it time to stop looking for excuses for Lambie? He is an experienced player who has had more chances than most players will ever get to prove himself at Bok level and has failed to be convincing. With 78 CC & SR caps and 29 test caps there really can’t be any more excuses for his inability to make the step up with any consistency.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.11.13 07:17:26 by Baylion Reply

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  • Fdp was great, he’s kicking game won us the match and that’s why they gave him the MOM. He’s passing was also great and r pienaar only came on at the end. Bosvark was awesome! Both wings work hard, but habana can walk into any world team!! Alberts was big on defense! Say wat u want, but Flip had a very good game and he stayed for the full 80min cause of that!!

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.11.13 07:18:59 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • I’m sorry to say this: I have been preaching this over and over and over again… Japanese rugby is NOT good for our top players unless they are going there for holiday! I think those Japanese league chaps found that out in the first 15min!!!

    Make a point of it and keep your eye on the fitness level of these guy’s!!! Sorry to say but my MOM was Bissie AGAIN! and fossiel de preez is GREAT yes, for the first 30-40min. After that he struggles to keep up with the pace!!!

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  • Comment 69, posted at 10.11.13 08:14:26 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • @Baylion (Comment 67) : and Lambie have failed how many times exactly!?!

    Don’t be so eager to celebrate one supppsed bad game by a player.

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.11.13 08:22:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Jacque Fourie was utter rubish. Had Rolland and co. had their eyes open, then Fourie’s little offside chase would have resulted in a penalty which would have cost us the lead.

    Habanna seems to be back to his old self. Even stealing ball on the ground, very impressive.

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.11.13 08:26:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • “Meyer feels that the recall of players like Du Preez, Fourie and JP Pietersen could have a monumental impact. All three were part of the Bok side that won the 2007 World Cup, and Meyer believes that all three are capable of replicating that form in the next two years.”
    That tell’s me that everyone is still working on the foundation that Jake layed down!!! NO vision for future talent!!!

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.11.13 08:36:16 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • @jonnow (Comment 66) : Maybe Im mad too. Did you also feel FdP was ignoring his new flyhalf? Maybe im just wearing natal glasses…

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.11.13 09:10:09 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @R Hayward (Comment 72) : If they are good enough, why not use them? Should HM now drop all JW and Divvie’s players so he can develop future talent instead – which is not even his job, but the provincial coaches’.

    This is the perfect time to see if they still have what it takes before using “new” players. I don’t agree with all of HM’s choices either, but apart from the two AB games, it has worked pretty well this year.

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.11.13 09:54:21 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Look, Lambie didn’t have a good game, but neither did a couple others, but I’ll keep them in the side for the remaining two games – why? We won. We beat the Welsh by the biggest margin since before 2011 wc – even with 11 BIL players. Quite a feat.

    Tweak here and there, sure, but beating the French should be the highest short term priority.

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 73) : I also got that feeling ,why did they skip Lambie and play JDV so often? Why did Du Preez often go the side Lambie wasn’t on? Pointed this out to my bulie ,then got shat on 😳

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.11.13 10:36:47 by Talent Reply
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  • I think the fact that so many of us have been calling for Lambie to move into the flyhalf spot has put a lot more pressure on him than any other flyhafl would have. I dont think he has a bad game. Maybe there was one or two cross kicks to many, but having gone back and checked it out myself, there wasnt any better option on for him in those situations. The players outside him were calling for the kicks and were not putting themselves in good positions to recieve a pass from their flyhalf. This was obviously the gameplan and I didnt think Lambie executed those kicks badly. The first drop was always going to be a stretch for him from 45m out, but again, we were moving backwards and the players next to him didnt present him with many options. The second drop was a very good time for a drop, too bad he couldnt execute on that on. All in all a pretty okay game from him. Very solid in defense, making a few important tackles and with the little ball he got, its a little harsh expecting much more, especially given how the rest of the Boks also looked very much clueless with ball in hand.

    At the end of the day, my point still stands, Lambie should be getting more game time at 10, not at 15 and not for 5 or less minutes at the end of the game. Its impossble to know if he would be ready to take over from Morne in the World cup final against New Zeeland, if HM doesnt prepare him and to a huge extent the entire team, for this situation. If he was given more time at 10, we would all by now, definitively have know, whether he cuts it has a bok flyhalf, or not.

    Fourie did most of the play anyway, as if he was still looking for Morne to pass to. Lambie didnt get the ball much and when he did his backs were still standing very deep and running away from the ball, as if they were going to recieve a deep pass from Morne. A Flyhalf needs to get used to playing with his team and Lambie hasnt been aforded that time, by HM.

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.11.13 10:37:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 77) :Nicely put

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.11.13 10:39:40 by Talent Reply
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  • Some folks are a bit over the top on Lambie. The plan was never for him to play 10 yesterday, if anything, it showed he has some work to do if he is to cover both if that is Meyer’s plan.

    He prepared the whole week to play 15, one injury, and he was asked to change his mindset to play a completely different role with combinations he is not used to. Still we won (comfortable imo given the dog-show the ref dished up), even with Lambie being average like 75% of the rest of the guys.

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.11.13 10:42:27 by MornΓ© Reply
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  • Some of u think cause lambie practice at 15 this week 10 was something new to him….he has been playing there the whole year…..s15 nothing to write home about, with only the cc final that was good. Playing behind a very very good pack and WP was nowhere. Not saying he’s bad, but he has to take control of a whole s15 competition and not just one or two games…..or goosen and demetri will over take him…..and don’t blame heyneke for that!!

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.11.13 11:30:00 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 80) : no they wont πŸ˜† when have either of them taken controll of an entire Super Rugby competition? πŸ˜†

    These Bulls fans spew the worst little theories. Their logic is so skewed and biased they just can’t be taken seriously πŸ˜†

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.11.13 12:18:13 by Talent Reply
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  • Lambie got the ball 15 times since shifting to 10 in the 17th minute. Before that 2 times as 15.

    Lets focus on the 63 min he was flyhalf though.

    So he got the ball 15 times. Only 10 times in the Wales half (4 between 50/40 – 6 between 25/40/ – 0 inside Wales 22)

    He Kicked 7 times.
    3 – Inside his own half/ 2 clearance kicks/ 1 Up and under
    4 – Inside Wales half (2 between 40/50) 1 drop, 1 up/under (2 between 25/40) 1 drop, 1 up/under.

    He passed 5 times.
    1 – Own half.
    1 – Between 40/50.
    3 – Between 25/40.

    He ran the ball 3 times.
    1 – Own half (from tacking wales up/under)
    1 – Between 40/50
    1 – Between 25/50

    He completed 6 tackles and slipped 1.

    That’s without any emotion. Just facts. Here’s my emotional reaction on this. Anyone that feels that based on those 15 touches Lambie is not worthy as a Bok ten, is plain STUPID!

    Yes he didn’t do anything to show that he could be any better than Morne at 10, but anyone with half a brain could see that this wasn’t really a game to judge whether a guy is good enough or not.

    With the little he had the ball, the couple of times that you thought maybe he could do something, he never found a runner putting themselves in good positions for passes. It’s not that the team is bad, the game plan was clearly never to run the ball AND these players in these combinations has NEVER played together…

    Lambie with Fourie – NO!
    Lambie with Jean – twice, exactly a year ago!

    And then Jean an Fourie was also looking for each other all game long.

    This is why a guy like Kankowski is somehow proven as “not better than Pier Spies” when his only starts (in 20 caps since 2007) was always with a weakened Bok team or out of position. And by the way in 5 years, he has only started 7 times. He just turned 23 when he played his first game for the Boks in 2007. He was one of the best Super Rugby players in 2008, maybe the best in his position at the time. Everyone saw it, until he got 3 minutes at the end of a Bok game and suddenly he wasn’t Bok quality. How many times have I read bloggers say that. Kankowski is a great player, but he’s had his chance and just isn’t Bok quality?????????????????????????????????????????

    I’m not even saying Lambie has reached that obviously ridiculously talented level just yet, I’m just saying that South Africa loves tossing their talents away or keeping them very safe on the bench.

    Kanko was a 1.96m, 106 KG 23 year old with the speed of a back, the eye for a gap from broken play like Christian Cullen, excellent ball skills, a line-out options…. It was obvious to everyone, just never to any of the Springbok coaches! And apparently also not to some rugby fans, that thought 7 starts in 5 years in second string Bok teams, was enough!

    He’s just turned 28 now. Duane has probably surpassed him as an option by now.

    Yes, 15 touches. Lambie should never see the flyhalf jersey again.

    STUPID!

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.11.13 12:21:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • Lambie wasn’t good, but it was obvious he was somewhat of an unknown entity to the rest of his backline at 10.

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.11.13 12:24:29 by Talent Reply
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  • Wimpy advert voice “where did you come from?”-Du Preez to Lambie. “All flatzy in the line” πŸ˜†

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.11.13 12:27:44 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 80) :
    I wanted to type a response to you and then realised I couldn’t use crayons here.

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.11.13 12:31:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 85) : πŸ˜† BOOOOOM πŸ˜†

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.11.13 12:32:31 by Talent Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 85) : BIG, NO, MAKE THAT A MASSIVE BOOOOOMMMMM. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.11.13 12:48:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 67) : Lets talk consistancy. You seem to have all the stats (I dont) but can you please let me know, of those 29 test caps, how many minutes of test rugby did he actually play, how many of them in each of the different positions did he play, how many did he consistently start the game… and on, and on….sorry but when it comes to Lambies test career to date, the word consistency can only be used in a negative context.

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.11.13 12:54:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • It wasn’t just the springbok selectors that didn’t pick kancko, plumtree didn’t picked him either!!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.11.13 12:56:04 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 74) : Look I not saying they are all just plain kak. They used to be usefull in their day… But picture this: Bok WC2015 combo’s – Victor & Bakkies AGAIN, du Preez & Liefling AGAIN, Fourie & JDV Almost AGAIN (Jean never played a full WC before!!!)… Right that gives you 6 subs right there that you have to think about, cause at current rate du Preez is already strugling from 30-40min into EVERY game…
    Also to be quite honest – Ruan whom has been hailed as a player of the year in europe somehow fades away in a bok team.
    Heineken has got only 2 seasons to polish his WC squad. At this rate I have flashbacks of the Divvy era… you know the Bismark & John saga!

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.11.13 13:36:08 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • Meyer was shown up for selecting Fourie and JP to start…………both looked way off the pace. I have never seen JP look so poor……he could not run and was blowing hard all game………the man is just not fit enough

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.11.13 14:50:32 by Saffex Reply

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  • @DBOY (Comment 8) : 27

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.11.13 14:51:23 by Saffex Reply

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  • @R Hayward (Comment 69) :

    What gives Rob? Is there not a policy about racist posts on this site?

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.11.13 16:04:34 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) : thanks – sorry, must have missed it.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.11.13 16:07:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 91) : I think JP should be fine in the coming matches. I agree fully about Fourie. The issue is, Meyer is already praising him (just because he had a moment of brilliance in creating that try, which is unfair).

    I think Lambie in the right mindset this weekend, preparing properly to play 10, hopefully playing a bit flatter, will be much better.

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.11.13 16:09:02 by David12246 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :
    HA.
    My radar is sensitive.

    In the USA, we officially have free speech, but unofficially, we have the most severe restrictions.

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.11.13 16:35:08 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : Total playing time 1030 minutes

    Fullback: 16 tests | 9 starts
    Flyhalf: 12 tests | 4 starts
    Wing: 2 tests | 0 starts

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.11.13 16:49:57 by Baylion Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) : @robdylan (Comment 94) : Serias Ouens??? Me the R word??? That’s what we call the chinas here in Nam! Komaan! But I am a good ouke… So please accept my apologies!!!

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.11.13 17:58:15 by R Hayward Reply

     
  • Lambie will struggle to play well at flyhalf in the Springbok game plan which resolves around the number 9. Lambie likes to be in control and not be a puppet on the field. When playing for the Boks he needs to figure out what the scrumhalf is going to do next. Fourie coming back has screwed him over… Don’t know how many times Fourie skipped him and passed straight to the centre. Utter rubbish. JPP looks extremely weak, looks like that last time he lifted weight was at the beginning of the year. He needs to shape up before Superugby else he won’t make it.

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.11.13 18:22:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • Morne Steyn is still our number 10

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.11.13 21:50:41 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 100) : and for as long as Morne is our 10, we will NEVER challenge the Kiwi’s for top spot

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.11.13 22:22:32 by Saffex Reply

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  • yeah i agree, fdp has got that whole team in his hands. Sad for lambie. No wonder MS said fdp took alot of pressure off him

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.11.13 23:13:58 by Eli Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 101) :

    Since re-admission, when did SA bested the Kiwis?
    2009, for 4 months?
    1997/98 for 12?

    Incidentally, Morne Steyn played an important role in one of those.

    Reality is, SA has mostly failed to stay in the number 2 spot. All this talk about challenging the Kiwis, is silly pie in the sky stuff. Take a look at history and at demographic trends and the sober analysis is that with or without Morne Steyn, SA had or will get lucky and challenge the Kiwis for top spot once in a decade or so.

  • Comment 103, posted at 10.11.13 23:55:40 by fyndraai Reply
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  • In the 120 months of IRB rankings, The Boks have been at #1 for about 13 and number 2 for about 43. more than half the time, SA was ranked a 3 or lower.

    New Zealand has spent about 20 months at #2 and the rest at #1.

    The difference between them in 1st and SA in 2nd, is about as large as the difference SA and the French in 5th spot.

    Challenge the Kiwis any time soon?
    Wake up and smell the flightless bird poop. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.11.13 00:39:39 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 104) : Interesting take on the matter ,but in my opinion we have the capabilities and player assets to beat the Kiwi’s on a consistent basis. Our problems lies with our approach and philosophy towards the game.

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.11.13 01:02:42 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 105) :

    I’d say that in the 21 years since re-admission and regular games against New Zealand teams, and even employing some New Zeeland coaches, that all possible approaches and philosophies have been tried and none had beaten the Kiwi’s on a consistent basis. Contrary, both our Test and SR teams have been behind the Aussies for most of that time.

    Bok record against Australia since 1992
    W/L/D/PD
    23/26/1/-56

    Change those numbers in our favor permanently in the next 4 or 5 years and we’ll talk again.
    But don’t hold your breath. If HM achieve it, and I’m not even sure he will, the next regime is sure to undo all the good work as fast as possible.

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.11.13 04:11:30 by fyndraai Reply
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  • From what I saw, the reason Lambie barely received the ball at first receiver was because Fourie kicked almost every bloody good ball away. And the Boks shouldve just given Bissie the ball the whole time. I’m pretty sure the game would have been over at half time because the Welsh would not have had any players left standing :mrgreen:

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.11.13 07:56:06 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Just a few thoughts having watched the game with some rugby playing mates. Alberts made about a million tackles and ruck cleans- he is immense and not given the credit he should be. I thought our front row actually did pretty well even Frans on debut. I thought Gethin Jenkins was binding on his arms and pulling him down and in. The ref lost the plot at the breakdowns- NH refs need to come get lessons from the SH refs as they are so far behind. JP and Jacque looked a bit out of it in first half but both got second winds in the second half and looked much better. Lambie- brilliant at 15, i still cant understand why people dont want him there. At 10 he struggled as he was takign the ball a lot flatter than Steyn was and his centres were so deep that he often got caught in possession or had to just manufacture a kick, so yes he wasnt great but i dont think he was helped out by his team mates. When Lambie was at 15 we looked really good as his positioning is so good that we turned the Welsh kicks into good counter attacks. But Lambie wll be at 10 vs the Scots, so lets hope our centres realise that he plays a lot flatter than Steyn.

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.11.13 08:18:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • To summarise then, Lambie didn’t shine because:

    – Lambie was good, it was the other players who were out of position
    – Fourie du Preez wanted to contol the game while Lambie prefers to do the controlling
    – He didn’t get the ball enough (see point 2) to make an impact
    – He hasn’t had enough game time at flyhalf
    – Heyneke Meyer didn’t prepare hime for playing flyhalf in this game
    – Heyneke Meyer isn’t giving him the chance to settle in a position
    – John Plumtree didn’t give him the chance to settle in a position

    Missed anything?

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.11.13 08:23:23 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 109) : To me it is simple – none of 9, 10, 12, 13, 14 have played a single minute with the guy next to him this year. I don’t think 9 and 10 has ever played together. No-one can shine on structured attack like that. That is why our back line tries came from individual brilliance in broken play.

    Until Lambie can get his kicking success rate up to 85%, he won’t challenge Steyn. A Bok flyhalf under HM is there to kick the penalties and clear his lines. He needs to work on his kicking off the tee, and keep working on the drops.

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.11.13 08:34:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 109) : No Lambie didnt do well at 10, no excuses. But you could see him get frustrated that his centres were too deep and he tried to create something from nothing which resulted in him making another mistake. He should stay at 15 for the Boks and Sharks. Its not a popular opinion but its the position that best suits him and the Boks.

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.11.13 08:35:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • At the Sharks, Lambie plays next to Charl and Cobus. Both scrummies that concentrate more on getting quick clean ball to the flyhalf, and spent less time trying to control play. With Fourie and Ruan, they tend to want to run the show instead of letting the bloody flyhalf do his damn job. Yes Lambie is a good 15 but he is a brilliant 10. I don’t know what this bloody fascination is with trying to turn him into a fullback. FFS! He won two Currie Cups with brilliant performances at 10. The only other 10 in SA that is almost like him is Glass-bones Goosen. Yes he didn’t shine in this year’s SR, but which Sharks player really did? Lambie never played next to Fourie before, and Jean is so used to having to stand so deep behind Steyn that he can actually have a pie and a coke before the ball ever gets to him, that Lambie couldnt really create those little half gaps for Jean to use. So hopefully Lambie gets to train at 10 the whole week next to Fourie and Jean.

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.11.13 09:10:01 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • so the problem is with HM’s plan here, not suiting the typical flyhalf role. How is Goosen going to manage though with the same conservative approach? We killing flyhalves here. Making them finish games with clean pants like Naas.

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.11.13 09:11:32 by Eli Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 109) :

    Let me try to simplify this for your benefit. In your esteemed opinion, despite having not practised at 10 for any amount of time, and stepping unexpectedly into the role 20 minutes in, with a 8-9-12-13 axis that he wasn’t familiar with, Lambie should have bossed the game?

    Fascinating.

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.11.13 09:40:18 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 114) : With 35% possession on top of it.

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.11.13 09:44:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 114) : On what do you base your assumption that he hadn’t practiced at 10? As the backup flyhalf for the match I’m sure he would have practiced there during the week.

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.11.13 09:50:21 by Baylion Reply

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  • So lambie and fdp don’t jell…..instead of changing the scrumhalf…..let’s change the flyhalf…..lol….baylion does make alittle sense!

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.11.13 09:54:41 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @Baylion (Comment 109) : you missed two small points ,the fact that Pat is Quade,Dan and Fred M all rolled into one and last proper dominant display at 10 was CC final 2010

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.11.13 09:59:38 by benji Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 116) : lambie will probably have a awesome game against skotland!

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.11.13 10:00:54 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @Baylion (Comment 109) :

    I don’t specifically think it is not enough game time at flyhalf, but more not enough game time or practice at flyhalf – with his Bok teammates. The way he plays is different from Morne and I thought he had a hard time linking up with his backs (the 15 times he touched the ball – 10 in Wales’ half).

    The two up and unders he kicked from first receiver wasn’t the best choices for me, I would much rather have seen him run the ball flat and give a short pass of to a player running a good line, but if you look at those two instances again you will see that the first man on his outside was about 10m behind him and 20m outside him (not the ideal time to take on the line) and no one was running on his inside. That’s why he got isolated when he took the line on that once. He did make a good run later in the second half, Fourie was standing flat with him, about 2m outside him, and when Lambie attacked the line, Fourie was right there with him. Lambie took the pass from behind the 40m and took it up to about 25m out and made the ball available for quick phase ball. That’s what he is good at and Morne rarely ever does.

    Lambie’s execution on both drop attempts was also poor and rushed. The first one from 45m out was a bad call (whether Jean called it or Lambie called it, I don’t care the responsibility falls on the flyhalfs shoulders). The second drop was at a good time in a good position, but he’s execution was lacking.

    He had the ball in Wales’ half 10 times, making those 4 kicks, running it twice and passing 4 times. Once to Jean on a cut, Alberts on his outside, Willie on the short side and into space and Jean again (who made a long pass to Habana in space). Nothing wrong with that.

    I just think based on the evidence, it would be hard, either way, to say whether Lambie should be the Bok 10 or not.

    There was an overreaction from those who feel he shouldn’t be there, probably given the overreaction by those who feels he should be there, when he was selected at 15.

  • Comment 120, posted at 11.11.13 10:01:06 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 117) : No – I think if HM actually allowed a second choice 10 a couple of minutes game time this year it would have helped a bit. Even when we were beating the Argies and Aussies to pulp, he refused to sub Morne.

    In contrast he has managed Strauss and Bismarck fairly well in my view.

  • Comment 121, posted at 11.11.13 10:01:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Look I’m sure ran a bit at 10 during training as backup should Steyn get injured, so we can’t use that as an excuse, Lambie wasn’t great, hence I still say as limited as Morne Steyn is, he’s still our best option at 10.

    My dislike of selecting overseas based players though, I hope Lambie, Goosen, Catrakalis or Elton step up big time and push Morne out of the selection frame. Sadly until either 1 of those 4 proves their worth as a 10. I fear we will see Morne selected for the Boks at 10.

  • Comment 122, posted at 11.11.13 10:07:25 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 116) :
    Oh you are a rather amusing chap, aren’t you?

    On what do I base MY assumption? On the simple fact that having been elevated to the starting position in the 15 jersey for the first time all season,he would be given as much time as possible to familiarise himself with the plays, the team and the expectations.

    Is it possible that he ran a bit at flyhalf? Of course. Was that sufficient for him to slip smoothly in and shine like a star? Hell no. This is real life, not Remember the Titans.

  • Comment 123, posted at 11.11.13 10:15:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 123) : ”This is real life, not Remember the Titans.” Hahaha best and most accurate quip of the year!

  • Comment 124, posted at 11.11.13 10:21:08 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I think HM should rest Morne for Scotland, start Lambie and give him 50 minutes, and then let Goosen have a run for the last 30.

    He should start Morne vs. France – simply because he is still the most consistent place kicker at this level.

  • Comment 125, posted at 11.11.13 10:25:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 118) :
    Good morning Mrs Zeilinga.

  • Comment 126, posted at 11.11.13 10:27:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 118) :
    A flyhalf doesn’t have to be dominant every game. Solid and in control of the game on most days, will be good enough for a win, with a strong team.

  • Comment 127, posted at 11.11.13 10:35:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • Bloody hell – does anybody want to roll out anymore excuses in favour of Lambie?

    I’ll be honest – conditions were tough and not ideal – but he had zero influence on the game.

    You can, and surely will, blame everything and everybody around him, in true South African style, but fact remains that he didnt stamp his influence in the game, missed place kicks and, even before moving to flyhalf, had some pretty iffy clearance kicks.

    All I can ask you is this: if it was Dan Carter, Quade Cooper, even Rhys Priestland that had to shift into that position, would they have been able to man up and influence the game? You bet your bottom dollar they would.

    I’m tirign of this debate – first the guy doesnt get enough time at flyhalf. Then, when he does get almost an entire game, its not somebody else’s fault he under-performed.

  • Comment 128, posted at 11.11.13 12:48:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 127) :

    Your one-eyedness is breathtaking Maria.
    If I had to guess I’d say you have a poster of him above your bed?

  • Comment 129, posted at 11.11.13 12:49:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 129) :

    First of, I like Lambie and would like him to do well, I don’t think I have ever said anything else. I don’t have a poster of him above my bed, but maybe if I was a few years younger, I would. He’s one of my favorite players at the moment.

    I don’t know if you wanted to reply to my last comment, because I think I generalized that comment, so I’m assuming you are pointing to one of my several other rants.

    Like I said, I like him, but I don’t think I once said he did an excellent job, or even a good job. I reacted to other people writing him of based on 15 touches. And yes, Dan Carter, Quade Cooper and Rhys Priestland might have done a better job – Firstly, at least two of them are in a quality of their own, which I have never tried to compare Lambie with and secondly, all of them has had the luxury of always playing 10 for most of their careers.

    If Dan had been playing only 15 for NZ for the entire year, I would even question if the great Dan Carter would be able to do it.

    Again, my only point, I don’t think this game is a fair game to determine whether he is or is not good enough for the Bok 10 jersey.

    And I’m okay with being one-eyed.

  • Comment 130, posted at 11.11.13 14:49:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 130) :

    I think you have that the wrong way round unfortunately.
    The reason Dan Carter has played 10 his entire career, is because he has been much better than anybody else his entire career.

    If Lambie was so bloody amazing, then we wouldnt need to have this debate – he would be selected, at flyhalf, come hell or high water.

    He isnt consistently selected, even in his home province.
    Because several coaches have thought there were better players on offer.

  • Comment 131, posted at 11.11.13 14:59:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) :
    Hey, I’m not going to argue the fact the Dan Carter is bloody awesome, I’m not stupid enough to do that.

    I also don’t think Lambie demands nearly as much respect that Dan did when he was the same age, which clearly shows that SA probably still has to wait a while before they can say they have a 10 of the quality, but I certainly don’t think it would have helped, even Dan Carter and it is definitely not helping Pat Lambie that they can’t decide where to play him.

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.11.13 15:14:53 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 67) : Go post your rubbish on a Lions blog…Oh wait, you already posted the exact same thing there… πŸ˜†

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.11.13 15:42:58 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : “The reason Dan Carter has played 10 his entire career”

    actually he started at 12 πŸ™‚

  • Comment 134, posted at 11.11.13 15:45:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • We should all agree to disagree…..lol…..I think we all have our favorite 10…..some like the consistency and accuracy of steyn; demitri looks like another steyn, control a game well, goal kicks well, drop with both feet; lambie looks like he can do everything, just needs to prove it to more people at a higher level; goosen has always look exiting, just need to play more and hopefully reach his potential and then there’s still jantjies, pollard, zalinga…..

  • Comment 135, posted at 11.11.13 15:59:30 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 135) : Don’t forget Swiel :mrgreen:

  • Comment 136, posted at 11.11.13 16:24:59 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • They should change this blog to the “Pat Lambie bashing world” thats what its become and its sad. Its really strange that every report I read on the game, be it news24, supersport, rugby365….states that lambie played well after taking over from morne, even HM stated he was good, yet on this site he is absolutly vilified, its clear that this issue has become a purely provincial bias from all sides. Lambie did not stand out on saturday but really neither did anyone else apart from bissie, eben, alberts and vermeulen…and he certainly was not as bad as some are trying to make out on this site…the bottom line though is he is part of the springbok squad and we should support him as such, the team won a very difficult game under trying circumstances and Pat Lambie was part of that team.

  • Comment 137, posted at 11.11.13 16:57:04 by SharkED Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) :

    Hehehehe. True dat.

    Funnily enough he was about Pat’s age when he cemented his place at 10 for the Saders, later the ABs.

    Maybe thats the difference (well, except for a foot in height) – Carter took his chances when they were given to them, Lambie hasnt (yet).

  • Comment 138, posted at 11.11.13 17:22:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SharkED (Comment 137) :

    Yeah, he was also full of praise for Jacques Fourie, who I didnt think had the best game.

  • Comment 139, posted at 11.11.13 17:22:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SharkED (Comment 137) :

    No dude – this has coming for a loooong time on this site. Letgo and the like have been going on and on about how Pat deserves to play flyhalf for South Africa and nobody else. Well, nobody except for a two week period when they were calling for Fred Zeilinga to play Bok flyhalf.

    Everybody moaning about Pat being selected at fullbakc, when he should be bloody lucky to was selected at all.

  • Comment 140, posted at 11.11.13 17:25:40 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 140) : well put and for cutting open the utter crap that lingers on this site,they would have you believe as I stated before that Pat is Michalak,Cooper and Carter all in one when he is not even the best 15 around in SA either

  • Comment 141, posted at 11.11.13 17:45:47 by benji Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 138) : Oh please .Lambie hasn’t been given consistent game time at any level of Rugby for the past year and a half, if you choose to ignore that then you are being belligerent.

    Did Lambie play well? Not exceptionally, but in saying that he didn’t play poorly. While Steyn was on did he have a good game? No. He missed a tackle in the first few minutes, and has been doing so non stop for his entire career, but somehow managers to maintain his jersey- if Steyn/Kruger hadnt played ,and someone else were made to make those kicks at goal we would be better off, and could possibly challenge the All Blacks.

    Your qualm is with the appraisal Lambie gets here?Dont like it?Perhaps read the name of the site. Would you expect complete objectivity from any other provincial blog??

  • Comment 142, posted at 11.11.13 17:53:05 by Talent Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 138) : Carter is 2cm taller than Lambie. Sorry to nitpick.

  • Comment 143, posted at 11.11.13 17:55:56 by Talent Reply
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  • Lambies goal kicking is his biggest problem ,at least with the coach we have right now. He needs to nail them from at-least 55m; I was upset with his kicking display.

  • Comment 144, posted at 11.11.13 17:58:35 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 142) :

    Oh boo farking hoo.

    Poor Lambie didnt get a fair chance *cry*. Poor Patrick has been hard done by – he doesnt get picked for the team in his favourite position. *sniff, cry*

    Cry me a farking river mate.

    He doesnt get adequate game time; maybe because he’s just not good enough? If he was good enough, do you not think every coach would have his name down on the team sheet first?
    Do you think coaches dont want to win?

    Now its some sort of conspiracy. You sounds like the hysterical parent of a high school pupil.

  • Comment 145, posted at 11.11.13 18:26:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 145) : Time will tell .Your anti Lambie stance is purely a result of how people here praise him, I would have thought you were introspective enough to be above that.

    If you think Steyn is the answer ,you are no Rugby scribe…

  • Comment 146, posted at 11.11.13 19:01:28 by Talent Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 145) :
    And you sound like a bore.

  • Comment 147, posted at 11.11.13 19:04:29 by Big Fish Reply
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  • As long as FdP is controlling the game, our 10 is not going to shine like they do in SR/CC, whether its Lambie, Goosen, or Bruce Mohammed “I’m Hard” Ali.

  • Comment 148, posted at 11.11.13 19:08:55 by gregkaos Reply
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  • When I consider our options, Pat and Morne both get the nod above all the others. Morne’s kicking is simply unmatched. Pat’s has improved massively this year in his tactical kicking and awareness. He is second to Morne in this dept. His defence however is the best we’ve got in SA IMO. Both players are very composed on the field and don’t panic under pressure.

  • Comment 149, posted at 11.11.13 19:10:38 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 146) :

    Really – is that my motivation? Or is it just because I think he’s massively over-rated?

    You guys go on about opportunities – compare the opportunities that Lambie has had versus what a player like Catrakilis. That dude has had to move provinves twice in two years in order to get gametime and there is no discernible difference in talent between him and Lambie.

    You dont see Cartakilis or his fans crying about it – he just gets on with it and plays the best he can.

    And I never claimed to a rugby scribe – its the fans who keep on telling me how great my writing is. 😎
    For the record I dont believe Steyn is the answer either – but until Lambie steps up, neither is he.

  • Comment 150, posted at 11.11.13 19:11:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 147) :

    Rather a bore than a blind battyboy fanboy.

  • Comment 151, posted at 11.11.13 19:12:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 149) :

    My kicking has also improved massively this year – and I’m quite composed. Maybe I got a shot if thats all it takes?

  • Comment 152, posted at 11.11.13 19:13:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • We will see.

  • Comment 153, posted at 11.11.13 19:19:57 by Talent Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 152) : You certainly do not come across as composed at all. πŸ˜€
    And somehow I doubt you’ve improved so much that you are now the 2nd best tactical kicker in SA.

    Oh and yes I know you are trying to troll me again in this. 😎

  • Comment 154, posted at 11.11.13 19:20:12 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 154) :

    Dude – I botox my entire face in order to get this frozen scowl. No emotion!

    Ice cold my brew, ice cold!

  • Comment 155, posted at 11.11.13 19:24:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 154) :

    Bring your controller over and we’ll see!

  • Comment 156, posted at 11.11.13 19:29:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw if he wasnt good enough why has he been picked in every sprinbok squad since the last world cup, certainly not just to please his sharks fanbase, thankfully we have wiser people than u in charge of our rugby…its clear u have no intention of adding any constructive value to the discussion seems ur only intent is to cause as much crap as u can and granted, ur doing a dam good job of it…

  • Comment 157, posted at 11.11.13 19:37:11 by SharkED Reply

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  • Bit of topic but how lucky were the all blacks to beat franc this past weekend?guess kockott cab start sending his measurements for his french jersey because parra missed 2 crucial kicks in the 1st half.fofana at 12 impressed with his tackling and seems a danger on attack ,too.difference between the sides was an aimless kick downfield and a very poor chase by the french-if any??
    And the poor goalkicking (kicks win matches).if not for hands in the scrum by french flanker 5m out,might have had an even more exciting end to the test match.

  • Comment 158, posted at 11.11.13 19:39:30 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • Seeing the effort of someone like fofana in tackling abs,one wonders if a 100kg-plus centre is required?his stats? 1.78m 88-90kg.maybe it just comes down to communication,technique and heart.

  • Comment 159, posted at 11.11.13 19:44:35 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • @SharkED (Comment 157) :

    Alright fella, take it easy with the personal insults. Trust me, thats not a road you want to venture down.

    I’m sorry I dont agree with you in your hero-worship of Lambie.
    And he’s been selected because he was lucky enough to play in an era where there simply is no competition.
    I mean, really, Goosen has played like 14 minutes of rugby this season, and even he got selected for the tour!

    And despite being selected in every touring group since the last WC, he still hasnt managed to cement a place in the run-on side.

  • Comment 160, posted at 11.11.13 20:07:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 158) :

    About as lucky as we were I suppose! If not for a poor linesman, the FdP try wouldve been a three point gift to Halfpenny.

    We could very easily have lost that game, despite scoring 2 tries (without that one).

    The gap between north and south is now only between the ears.

  • Comment 161, posted at 11.11.13 20:27:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 159) :

    Agreed completely.

  • Comment 162, posted at 11.11.13 20:32:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 161) : very true regarding fdp try-halfpenny most probably also would ve kicked the resulting penalty.in fairness i do think the boks should also have received a penalty when etzebeth was held without the ball (the incident was referred to tmo who said it was fine).a defending player cannot put his hand(s)on an attacking player.etzebeth had passed the welsh defender and was running a supporting line to the ball carrier in the welsh 22m.

  • Comment 163, posted at 11.11.13 20:34:02 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 161) : That goes both ways. More bad calls against us than for us.

  • Comment 164, posted at 11.11.13 20:47:09 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 163) :

    Look – yes, of course. There were plenty of decisions in that match that couldve gone the other way and dramatically changed the outcome.

    All else being equal – if the linesman or ref had spotted that offside – then we probably would’ve lost that game. Its as simple as that.

    The press might be glowing at the moment and Heineken and the boys might be quite pleased with themselves, but we nearly lost that game, despite scoring tries while denying them one.
    We were out-muscled and lost the territory and possession stats.
    That is not good at all. France are going to push us very hard.

  • Comment 165, posted at 11.11.13 20:49:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 160) : “And he’s been selected because he was lucky enough to play in an era where there simply is no competition.” – can’t agree on that. In fact, the current time is the first since readmission that we have a number of capable flyhalves. The likes of Louis Koen, Braam v Straaten, Hougaard, Butch, Stransky would not have been selected if they were in their prime right now.

  • Comment 166, posted at 11.11.13 20:50:58 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 164) :

    As per my comment above.

    Not saying we got all the decisions at all – all im saying is if that blatant offside was ruled, we wouldve more than likely lost.

  • Comment 167, posted at 11.11.13 20:51:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 166) :

    So, apart from Steyn, who do we have that is challenging Lambie?
    Goosen, but he’s been off injured. If he wasnt, Lambie would likely not be in the mix, if I read HM’s smoke signals correctly.

    So whose challenging him? Catrakilis, Butch, Jantjies?

  • Comment 168, posted at 11.11.13 20:55:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 166) :

    Thats two World Cup winnning flyhalves in your list right there.

    Besides, there are virtually no players from the semi-pro era that would get selected now – thyere not big enough.

    Do you think players like Corne Krige would make the cut now? Of course not. What about MArk Andrews – do you think he’s athletic enough as compared to EE or PSdT? Or even VM and BB?

  • Comment 169, posted at 11.11.13 20:58:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 165) : im worried about the scotland test!if the french put up a performance like the one they did this past weekend -and parra kicks his goals-then it will be a big ask from the boks.
    Just worried the boks underestimate the challenge scotland will pose .suppose not,since the last game in sa should be still fresh in the minds of some of the players.

  • Comment 170, posted at 11.11.13 20:58:39 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 170) :

    Scotland’s in a big mess at the moment.
    Its very sad to see.

    They only have 4 professional sides there now, with two (Border and Reds) professional in name only and not fielding a top-flight side, but still fielding junior sides.
    That leaves Glasgow and Edinburgh as the two professional Scottish rugby sides.

    If you cant beat a country that only has two profesisonal sides, then you need to have a long, hard look in the mirror and ask yourself if youre still up to the challenge.

  • Comment 171, posted at 11.11.13 21:04:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • There was a period during the test in the 2nd half that i actually thought willie le roux was playing at 10.seemed like he took a bit of the tactical kicking duties?
    Was looking for the lambie chip kick in one or two instances in the test,felt there was a bit of space behind the flat welsh defenders.maybe need to watch the game a second time just to make sure if there was sufficient space to drop it in that wouldve given him the time to get past the defensive line and to the ball before fb.

  • Comment 172, posted at 11.11.13 21:04:51 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • @50shadesofblackandwhite (Comment 172) :

    There was a stat sometime in the second half where we had had less than 30% ball?
    Thats shocking.

  • Comment 173, posted at 11.11.13 21:06:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 171) : makes the 2010 result all the more the upset.they will be tough and they will be committed.

  • Comment 174, posted at 11.11.13 21:12:48 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • Discipline is going to be crucial in this test.must not get involved in off-the-ball scuffles.

  • Comment 175, posted at 11.11.13 21:14:37 by 50shadesofblackandwhite Reply

     
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 160) :I certainly dont think there was any personal insult, if u felt that way then maybe the shoe fits….and was that a threat i detected ??? if you read any of my comments, nowhere do i state that Lambie should be first choice fh, i am quite happy with MS as first choice as i believe at the moment he is the best man for the job and he does it incredibly well, my issue is that if you choose someone to be your back up in a critical position then you should allow that person the necessary game time to grow and develop in that position to ensure you have a capable back up who can confidently step into the position at a moments notice, whomever that may be. If as you stated in a previous comment that Lambie is not in HM’s plans then he shouldnt pick the boy and leave him to get the necessary game time in the local comps, its as simple as that…but your obvious hatred for anything Lambie just seems to eat away at any logical thought and makes any attempt at discussion futile…

  • Comment 176, posted at 11.11.13 22:17:23 by SharkED Reply

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  • Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, leave the man be.

    One day ,unlikely under Meyers reign ,I hope to see the Lambie haters eat their words. Until then ,lets all return to civil conversation.

    Lets all hope Lambie does play a good game this weekend should he be chosen. 😎 Lets hope he gets to play the French and lets hope he shows us his capabilities…

  • Comment 177, posted at 12.11.13 00:21:33 by Talent Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 155) : πŸ˜† πŸ˜† was that Botox on display the night WP lost the CC final? πŸ˜†

  • Comment 178, posted at 12.11.13 05:36:19 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • The reason some people will always tell you straight when Lambie doesn’t do well is because of you Sharks supporters’ insistence that he’s better than everyone else, I thought Lambie had a few promising matches for the Boks under PDV at fullback. He is yet to have the same authority at flyhalf whether under PDV or Meyer.

    I mean really, blaming scrumhalves, centres for his performance. Yes, mentally he was prepared for fullback, but he always knew he would run at 10 should Steyn get injured or something like that. That said I do hope Lambie can produce a masterclass at flyhalf that will silence all critics, but until then you Sharks supporters need to keep your passion for Lambie in check as people will continue to rub it in your face when he doesn’t do well. At this point he isn’t a better option than Steyn at flyhalf and the sooner you accept that, the better

  • Comment 179, posted at 12.11.13 08:09:46 by Ludz Reply

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  • Lambie needs to work on his goalkicking to be compared to Steyn. Steyn needs to work on his defence to be compared to Lambie. Which is easier? I recall Lambie’s stats on goalkicking in Super Rugby being better than most provincial kickers. Something technically (maybe small) is wrong. Don’t compare “the greek” to these two players, not in the same league. “The greek” showed us what he is worth once his pack gets dominated. The only other flyhalf worthy to compare is Goosen if he is not broken.

  • Comment 180, posted at 12.11.13 08:44:15 by Bite me Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 179) : Surely everyone is entitled to their own opinion, after all you have yours in that Ntubeni and Strauss are better hookers than Bismarck. Sharks fans are of the opinion that, given the same opportunities and backing, then Lambie will be the better flyhalf.

    Anyway, given the choice, I would choose Lambie over Steyn every day to wear the 10 SHARKS jersey.

  • Comment 181, posted at 12.11.13 09:34:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 181) :
    I think the dude means well, but I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that to him irony is a quality of metal, much like goldy and silvery.

  • Comment 182, posted at 12.11.13 10:56:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 181) : refer me back to the day I said Ntubeni was better than Bissie, outplayed him in the match before the semi-finals, yes I did say that. Never did I say Ntubeni was a better hooker

    As for Strauss, I said I prefer him because he’s as good as Bismarck in most hooker departments and has a better temperament than Bismarck, also the better leader on the field, now please refer me back to the days when I said either Strauss or Ntubeni were better than Bissie?

  • Comment 183, posted at 12.11.13 11:19:21 by Ludz Reply

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  • NOBODY IS BETTER THAN BISMARCK.

    As you were.

  • Comment 184, posted at 12.11.13 11:22:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 181) : you earn your opportunities meneer, if a player who is performing better than you are, they deserve a chance before you, case in point Steyn being better than Lambie this season

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 182) : πŸ˜† πŸ˜† English not my strong point at school and well it’s not my first language, I really thought Irony was a piece of metal.

  • Comment 186, posted at 12.11.13 11:25:57 by Ludz Reply

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  • U guys are funny!!!!!

  • Comment 187, posted at 12.11.13 11:26:15 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • See its not just sa fans……some nz fans are calling for carter to be drop now!!! Nz have also struggled in the scrums this year, their frontrow is also getting old. Richie is not nr1 anymore, its Read all the way!

  • Comment 188, posted at 12.11.13 11:32:08 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @Ludz (Comment 183) : Im not going to trawl through history to find your posts but you were very vocal about Strauss playing ahead of Bismarck earlier in the year. and as for Scarra ahead of Bismarck, well you just said it again here @Ludz (Comment 185) :

  • Comment 189, posted at 12.11.13 11:33:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 179) :

    PREACH!!

  • Comment 190, posted at 12.11.13 11:41:06 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 189) : I still say Strauss is the better starting option, I didn’t say he’s the better player. Didn’t Scarra play better than Bissie in that final match before the semis? Not to say he’s a better player, but on the day he was the better hooker on the field.

  • Comment 191, posted at 12.11.13 11:43:22 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 183) :

    Dude, why do you even come here??

    It’s SHARKSworld bru, get with the program!! 😈 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 192, posted at 12.11.13 11:44:03 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 184) : I’m afraid you’re going to have to make your point forcefully; this kind of subtlety passes by many of the readers on this site :mrgreen:

  • Comment 193, posted at 12.11.13 11:51:09 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 191) :

    Sammy is a stirrer! Ignore! :mrgreen: πŸ˜†

  • Comment 194, posted at 12.11.13 11:56:42 by wpw Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 193) :

    ThugBis!

    Vinnie should get it trademarked! πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜€

  • Comment 195, posted at 12.11.13 11:57:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 191) : Strauss is polony to Bismarck’s fillet

  • Comment 196, posted at 12.11.13 11:58:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • As for Scarra, well – he’ll do well as Bok hooker. He certainly loves throwing the ball to Pieter-Steph du Toit.

  • Comment 197, posted at 12.11.13 11:58:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • One swallow doesn’t make a summer!!!!!

  • Comment 198, posted at 12.11.13 12:05:17 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @Ludz (Comment 191) : Its all opinion at the end of the day.

    My opinion is that on the day you are referring to the Sharks frontrow and scrum totally outplayed their WP opponents, maybe you didnt see it on the field but it was very evident in the Currie Cup final when the WP team believed they were in a replay of the earlier game. Mind games at their best. πŸ˜›

  • Comment 199, posted at 12.11.13 12:07:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 194) : Nooit, ek se. And this coming from you, yeah right.

  • Comment 200, posted at 12.11.13 12:09:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 192) : enjoy the comments on here for the most part, I get to follow some of the lads I know in the Sharks setup. It’s quite good, look the Sharksworld faithful have good rugby knowledge for the most part. When it comes to some players though, there’s a reasonable amount of logic that flies straight out the window

  • Comment 201, posted at 12.11.13 12:15:06 by Ludz Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 198) :

    Yeah, but if its from ThugBis then one swallow makes Rob very happy… πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 202, posted at 12.11.13 12:20:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 201) :

    Dude – how can you say they have good knowledge? They’re like rabid dogs with a bone when it comes to some of the Sharks players!

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 203, posted at 12.11.13 12:20:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 178) :

    Dont you have some young Saudi boys that you need to chase with a stick?

  • Comment 204, posted at 12.11.13 12:22:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 204) : you mind stepping back to the other side of that line?

  • Comment 205, posted at 12.11.13 12:42:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 204) : πŸ˜†

    I just let them watch ThugBis and say “you see that guy, you see how mean he is? I know a guy who gets even meaner when he sees how well that guy is playing”

    After watching the 1st 20min on Saturday they asked if this guy I knew got proportionally more, mad the better Thugbis played?

    They said if that was the case, then this guy I know must have been bouncing off the walls with anger.

    I said I’d ask.

    So just how pissed of were you with ThugBis’ starring role on Saturday? πŸ˜› you must have gone through a shed load of Botox. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 206, posted at 12.11.13 12:50:43 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 198) :
    Maybe, but it usually would make a long-term relationship.

    @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 206) :
    πŸ˜† 😈

  • Comment 207, posted at 12.11.13 12:54:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 201) :
    Don’t respond to wpw around lunchtime. There is a gatsby that probably needs eating and far be it from him to leave such heroics to lesser men.

  • Comment 208, posted at 12.11.13 12:56:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 206) : I was wondering the same this, especially after he bulldozed 2 Welsh players and offloaded to JdV….and then again when he scored of the rolling maul after beating another couple of Welsh players on pure strengh.

    So which was your favourite Vinnie?

  • Comment 209, posted at 12.11.13 12:57:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 206) :
    @Pokkel (Comment 209) :

    Nah, you got it wrong dude.
    I have no issue with ThugBis when he’s playing well.

    I have a problem when his two brain cells dont communicate and the one neglects to inform the other one that dirty play will get him him a card.

  • Comment 210, posted at 12.11.13 13:05:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • BTW Pokkel – i like that pic of you and your brother/father.

    The black and white really contrasts well with your family’s features.

  • Comment 211, posted at 12.11.13 13:06:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 205) :

    Sadly Mr. Knowitall, there was nothing untoward in that post and was a bit of an inside joke.
    You’d know this if you hadnt FJELN a few months back.

    It seems KSA’s daughter has had some suitors calling…

  • Comment 212, posted at 12.11.13 13:08:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 211) : It’ actually a photo of myself and Culling song from Christmas last year.

  • Comment 213, posted at 12.11.13 13:08:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 212) : Deja vu?!

  • Comment 214, posted at 12.11.13 13:10:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 211) : :mrgreen: πŸ˜†

  • Comment 215, posted at 12.11.13 13:13:29 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 213) :

    I’m confused – how can Culling Song be your brother and your father?

    Oh yes…

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 211) : don’t you just hate that corrective text ? Let me fix it for you.

    Nah, you got it wrong dude.
    I have no issue with ThugBis when he’s playing well.
    I have a problem when he plays well against my team
    . πŸ˜€

  • Comment 217, posted at 12.11.13 13:15:25 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 217) :

    Oh no, not at all.

    I hate him more when he’s playing for me than against me.

  • Comment 218, posted at 12.11.13 13:20:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 216) : We’re a very close family. VERY close :mrgreen:

  • Comment 219, posted at 12.11.13 13:20:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 216) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 220, posted at 12.11.13 13:20:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 216) : BTW I’m the good looking one on the right.

  • Comment 221, posted at 12.11.13 13:23:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 221) :

    Not that there arent some amazing genes running through your family, but Id have to agree, you’ve got the better hair.

    If only you sister (wife?) could wash your clothes…

  • Comment 222, posted at 12.11.13 13:27:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 219) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 223, posted at 12.11.13 13:31:41 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 197) : Oh dear Lord, this comment needs more love :mrgreen:

  • Comment 224, posted at 12.11.13 13:59:34 by vanmartin Reply
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