Kirsten gets Bok call

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 19 Nov 2013 at 09:01
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Uncapped Blue Bulls prop Frik Kirsten has received a surprise call-up to join the Springbok squad in Paris ahead of Saturday’s test against France.

Kirsten replaces Frans Malherbe, who suffered an injury during the first half of Sunday’s match in Edinburgh. Many consider the call-up surprising, given that coach Heyneke Meyer had earlier in the year invited Sharks prop Wiehahn Herbst to a training camp, indicating that he may be next in line.

According to the SARU release, both Jannie du Plessis and Pat Cilliers continue to be unavailable for selection.


  • What a surprise!! The d…. dude with the blue spectacles picks the biggest underperforming TH in SA to join the Boks. There must be a reason other than the colour of his jersey… nope, can’t think of one.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.11.13 09:02:59 by Butchie34 Reply
  • Herbst must be pretty pissed off. He did nothing wrong. I understand that journalists insist Meyer has some “Big Plan”, but I sure as hell can’t see it.

    His choices thus far was purely conservative. It’s like he’s already decided the All Blacks will win the next world cup and that he’s happy with the Boks coming in second. Nothing I’ve seen on the year end tour has looked like we are moving in a direction to beat the All Blacks, only beat the rest.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.11.13 09:12:20 by PTAShark Reply
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  • That’s it!!!! HM needs a tree, his a Chimp! Bring back PDivvy at least the players coached them selfs. Steve needs a new song. Something about a blou bull buying a plane ticket and in stead is handed a Bok jersey….chimps!

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.11.13 09:14:03 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 1) :

    So he’s not allowed to pick any players from the Bulls now??

    Not one Bulls player in the tight 5. In fact, there’s hardly any Bulls players in the squad.

    Those Sharks tinted specs need to come off dude!! :mrgreen: πŸ˜†

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.11.13 09:14:20 by wpw Reply
  • If I had a product I wanted to promote and sell I think I would hire Steve Hofmeyer to write and sing the jingle. Obviously his tune “Maak die Bulle almal Bokke” has got under HM’s skin and into his subconscious so that his first thought is to do just that.

    I’m starting to think that Louis “Screw-der” must be heading to the Bulls next year.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.11.13 09:14:47 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 4) : My first thought at replacement went to Trevor Nyakane or to CJ van der Linde.

    Neither of them have worn the black dude. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.11.13 09:16:32 by Butchie34 Reply
  • Nonsense, its a known fact the Bulls props can’t scrum. #klaar look at the Greyling? Guthro? (Ex bull) still struggles. There are better 3’s in the country.

    A 10 gets injured, watch Pollard. Will get the call. We don’t look like beating ABs anytime soon.

    This is sad!

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.11.13 09:17:57 by bchanakira2 Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 1) : @PTAShark (Comment 2) : @BoerSeun (Comment 3) : @bchanakira2 (Comment 7) :

    Stop being negative about our national coach’s plan on beating the All Blacks…..thats my job. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.11.13 09:21:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Hahaha, they evolve! They just don’t pick Crusaders players… They take even from the highlanders.

    I get where HM is coming from.. He knows the bulls and ex-players but the level of adoration he has for them is too high…

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.11.13 09:26:28 by bchanakira2 Reply
  • What boggles my mind is not the selection of Bulls prop, but rather the fact that a prop is called up at all. We have one game left. We require a starting and reserve prop. We have Coenie and Adriaanse. So either Kirsten will leapfrog those, which makes no sense, or he’s there for a few days of paid holiday in the company of the Boks, which also makes no sense. Or am I overlooking some blatantly obvious fact?

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.11.13 09:26:39 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 6) : Sharks fans are getting very arrogant!! There are other players around the country aswell!! Bok player gets injured and u get upset if ur 5th or 6th best player in a position don’t get called up. Steve should have sang make all the sharks bokke!! Kirsten is probably not gonna play anyway and u angry that a sharks player isn’t gonna hold the tackle bags!! Shame!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.11.13 09:29:28 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 10) : if a prop gets injured on friday during the captains practice there’s no time to fly one up….

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.11.13 09:33:46 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 11) : Obviously you cannot read, since neither of the players I mentioned are Sharks. I am not upset that it wasn’t a Sharks player called up. At the Boks you need the best players, regardless of where they play.

    I don’t rate Kirsten and I doubt he is rated by many either. The Bulls have been struggling with their scrums for a while and this shows that their props are not up to scratch.

    So before climbing on a horse and berating people’s opinions actually read what they say, digest it and consider whether they are upset that it wasn’t a Sharks player picked or whether they are upset that there are a lot of other players who are more deserving to be picked who haven’t been.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.11.13 09:36:24 by Butchie34 Reply
  • I can see why HM called in a prop replacement in case someone goes down in training. But if its purely for cover should it not have made more sense to have called in 1 of the European based tightheads? Or does SARU have that much spare cash lying around.
    And surely Kirsten is not next in line? If he is then eish there is trouble on the horizon as having watched him in a few games he got his ass handed to him. Kirsten is also tall for a tighthead which could be a problem against the short NH props.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.11.13 09:37:19 by SheldonK Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 12) : That makes sense, I suppose, but would it not have been possible to approach someone already plying their trade in the NH as once-off cover? Seems a lot of expense for a “what if” scenario… And that’s not even going into the topic of whether Frik Kirsten is the most deserving local prop…

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.11.13 09:46:10 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Is he the best in his position ?Fuck no.

    However, the guy isn’t a terrible player, and if memory serves me well he is one of the better scrumming props at the Bulls.

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.11.13 09:46:13 by Talent Reply
  • One of the things that I really liked about Jake White and Pieter de Villers, in hindsight, is that they had no previously affiliation to any team in South Africa. They might have been perceived as favouring a team but they were never really tied to a team in the same way as Heyneke Meyer.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.11.13 09:47:36 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 16) : Shit ! Sonething is wrong…..for once I agree with u….lol

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.11.13 09:57:43 by KingsArmy Reply

  • Yes he probably could have picked some has been from there, but can u imagine what the people would have said THEN…..

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.11.13 09:59:59 by KingsArmy Reply

  • Frik played SA U/20, joined the Boks on their training camps in the past. He will not play, or even be on the bench unless Lourens or Coenie picks up an injury between now and Saturday. He is called up as cover, pretty standard practice for such a vital position.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.11.13 10:04:20 by MornΓ© Reply
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 18) : πŸ˜† Think about it ,we only differ on our opinions about Lambie and the way the Boks are playing. I am a pretty chilled guy. 😎

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.11.13 10:08:33 by Talent Reply
  • Believe me HM care about two things and two things only: his win ratio and winning the worldcup!! He doesn’t care if the whole springbok team is made up of lions players or griekwa players. The bulls thing is getting old now. There’s one bulls player left…Flip. Its beginning to sound like sour grapes!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.11.13 10:10:49 by KingsArmy Reply

  • WTF. FRIK IS NOT A REGULAR S15 Starter for the BB. Had many injuries in the past. Surely he is not the future??? Wian is solid and can scrum and play with his shark teammates?

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.11.13 10:16:04 by Observer Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 22) : Obviously that’s his aim, but the problem is that he thinks players like Spies and Kruger are world beaters when in fact they are world beat-takers πŸ˜†

    They like to sissy tackle and wear cool armbands. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.11.13 10:18:56 by Talent Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) :

    Have you ever thought that Pieter de Villiers (scrum coach) might rate the guy?? Or maybe Heyneke does in fact have an eye for spotting talent??

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.11.13 10:24:26 by wpw Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 24) : And lavender jerseys.

    There is more ass slapping and hugging in the Blue Bulls change room then you would find in a Cape Town Freddy Mercury tribute parade. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.11.13 10:29:19 by Talent Reply
  • If some of u would just open ur eyes u would see a BIG difference between HM’s bokke last year and the bokke of this year. We have definitely improve! The pecking order in the 2nd row will sort it self out next year. That just leaves 9,10,13 to short out before the worldcup…..doesn’t seem that bad. Feel sry for HM cause no nr9 has stick his hand up[my opinion]. 13 its between jj and fourie…..jj might be better on attack but weak on defence and looks like fourie is the other way around. On 10 let’s just agree to disagree…..sharks want skapie; bulls want steyn; wp want demitri and tahs want goosen…..

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.11.13 10:30:44 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 25) : Who wouldn’t rate a prop who can’t manage to nail down a starting jersey in one of the weaker scrumming units in the country?

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.11.13 10:32:27 by Talent Reply
  • Ive noticed him improve woeful Bulls scrums, but does that warrant him being called up ahead of other recognized players. The Bulls first choice props are kak ,that must speak volumes for their second choice props…make them Springboks.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.11.13 10:36:45 by Talent Reply
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 27) : Steyn deserved his place at 10 this year. If he keeps his form up at where it is he definitely deserves his place. Last year he should have been dropped because of his form. The Boks is not the place where you play a guy back into form and I actually felt sorry for the poor guy. He had so much pressure heaped onto him where he should have gone back to the Bulls to play for them and get his confidence and form back. I know he actually wanted to go back down to get his form back and HM kept picking him.

    Another failure where HM made one of his players suffer and take criticism.

    From next year where he is playing in Europe, it will be difficult to truly measure where his form is compared to the other flyhalf options because there is no direct method to measure each other against them.

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.11.13 10:36:48 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 25) : Talent has answered the question for me. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.11.13 10:37:24 by Butchie34 Reply
  • What the holy hell guys? So what if HM has picked a 5th choice TH that we don’t agree with. I can’t even begin to contemplate how this translates to us not been able to beat the ABs let alone generate so much defeatism.

    As far as HM favouring Bulls players. I count 2. 3 if you include Morne.

    So far I think this has been an extremely good tour. Before it started HM and Richie said that one of the main goals to the tour was to seek an improvement in the defence, as well as the transition between attack and defence. 7 unanswered tries.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.11.13 10:42:17 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Oh and from what I’ve seen. The Boks look significantly more comfortable up north than the ABs.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.11.13 10:44:37 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Hope Meyer gives Trevor Nyakane another go sometime in the future and still hope Wors impresses enough in Super Rugby next year. Our SA tighthead cupboards aren’t exactly overflowing.

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.11.13 10:51:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 32) : agree!

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.11.13 10:58:43 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @gregkaos (Comment 33) : agree again!

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.11.13 10:59:53 by KingsArmy Reply

  • Can’t believe we all arguing who should have flown up to hold the tackle bag!! Lol!

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.11.13 11:01:32 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 4) : flip van der merwe not a Bull?

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.11.13 11:25:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 37) : Agree with all your posts too.

    Frik might not be the best but from the extremely little that I’ve seen he is a decent TH. He pummelled Dale Chadwick in our last encounter. So much so that Dale got carded in that game.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.11.13 11:28:50 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 37) : why did anyone fly up is the real question. waste of money

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.11.13 11:59:44 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • In the very first game of s15 this year bulls scrum owned the strms scrum…..morne mallet ate pat for breakfast! Pat has been a let down this year. Bulls props are young but looking good for the future. Don’t think HM was looking for the best TH, he was looking for a young prop with potential to practice with….

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.11.13 12:00:13 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 40) : if someone gets injured on friday In the captains practice there’s no time to fly someone up or teach them the lineout calls. If he pick a prop from the NH we would have called for his head….again!!lol

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.11.13 12:05:48 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 42) : lol. sorry bro. I tend to talk first, read later. Ja good point. It is test rugby after all. Probably cant leave stones unturned

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.11.13 12:14:37 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Would you guys stop punting Herbst?

    We can`t lose him to the bokke as well, remember we`ve got a Currie Cup to defend . . . 😈 😈

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.11.13 13:26:02 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Wow…imho there are waaayyyy better TH around than Kirsten,but what can you do? @Kingsarmy…the only reason why their arn’t many Bulls left in the group is because they all now play for overseas clubs,but they are still there,still being picked,everywhere I read that HM doesn’t give away caps…WTF…he is the master of gifting Test caps,while deserved players stays behind!Just look at this whole FDP JVermaak thing,he knew he would get flack if he included Jano in the Group over Louis(still a k*k choice) because of the number of foreign based players,so he kept that quiet and took us all for imbiciles!
    HM is the biggest joke of a coach there ever have been for the Boks….thats just my opinion

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.11.13 13:39:03 by BarendL Reply
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  • Comeon guys, some proper OTT reactions to this. Some of the righteous indignation, theat HM dared to call up a Bulls player, is a little much for me.
    Kirsten does have representative colours at age group level, so he has pedigree.

    Who cares – he’s not gonna play anyway.
    All this is is insurance against a prop getting injured between now and Saturday lunchtime.

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.11.13 13:50:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @BarendL (Comment 45) :

    Okay, I dont like the guy either, but you’ve got your hands in the ruck with that one.
    There have been a fair few jokers that have coached the Boks in the past…

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.11.13 13:52:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 46) :

    With all the bitching from Sharks supporters I might just jump ship.

    Relax okes and look at Heyneke’s record compared to last year.

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.11.13 14:03:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 47) : Yes I agree we have had alot of mediocre coaches in the past,but in my opinion no one has overlooked so much potential as HM has!He keeps on saying he rewards form..but imo he does not..couple of examples:
    Brussouw was brilliant (even though Louw has been superb)
    Catrakilis deserved a look
    Deon Fourie had a superb season or 2 (if you’re good enough,you’re big enough)
    Mcleod was superb in the CC
    Ludik has been the form FB up untill they moved him te centre
    Aplon had a terrific CC
    De Allende had a good season
    Robert Ebersohn was superb untill he signed for France
    Derick Minnie
    Even Jaco Kriel had a very good season in my honest opinion…
    So those are the type of things I base my opinions on

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.11.13 14:16:46 by BarendL Reply
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  • Must be a really slow day at the office if you guys are arguing about a non-entity like Frik Kirsten. πŸ˜† Why HM called him up, only he knows, but he won’t play. Look at what is happening to Adriaanse & PSdT. Wors will get his chance & so will Trevor Nyakane (when HM forgives him – our very own James O’Connor!) if Pat remains injured.
    A parting shot – why did HM not use JJ or Jan Serfontein? They wear [email protected]wpw (Comment 4) : By the way Kirschner,Habana,Steyn,Vermaak,du Preez,Botha,Flip & now Kirsten all at one stage wore the blue,as well as JJ & Serfontein so black 7 white tinted glasses?Go figure πŸ˜€

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.11.13 14:36:13 by markm Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 1) : Bullsh1t, I am not a Bull but Frik Kirsten has been damn good this year and his selection makes perfect sense, he is far better then Herbst or any other young tighthead out there.

    Nkanyane and Marcel v/d Merwe have both played tighthead this year, but they need more time in that position before they can be considered.

    Frik Kirsten is spot on

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.11.13 14:42:00 by Saffex Reply

  • @BarendL (Comment 49) : sry I wouldn’t pick any of those players u mentioned….just aswell u not the selector! Think flow and coetzee is better than brossouw,kriel and d fourie……there’s no place for mienie at the moment….with kolisi also there. With the captain playing 12 and jan and fsteyn there’s no place for ebersohn and de allende. Never been a aplon fan and mcleod is 30+ already with no intl
    experience……I will admit I do like demitri and de allende, but u can’t pick everybody u like after one season… swallow don’t make a summer!

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.11.13 14:52:50 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @markm (Comment 50) : our black james o’conner!! Lol

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.11.13 14:56:32 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 52) : I didn’t say that is my selections…I said HM always says he rewards good form,but he does not(hence the list) I would much rather reward players like that than guys like Schreuder and Frik for exposure.Read before you comment πŸ˜‰
    Also when Bok players are in bad form certain players never gets dropped (Pienaar,MSteynV2012,Gurthro,Flip,Jannie…)

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.11.13 14:58:20 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 51) : Saffex the only comment I have about your views is the consistency. They are consistently shit. My man you have no clue !

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.11.13 15:05:59 by Observer Reply

  • If a player has a good season good for him, but if there’s no spot open so be it. As in de allende….there’s a long line for that 12 jersey. Don’t believe in just dropping a player. If HM had to give any of those players a chance, he will have to leave some else at home…..big question is who….

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.11.13 15:10:57 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 56) : I fully understand what you are saying,but my point is instead of selecting no names in the squad to ”hold tackle bags” I would select form players to get exposure to the team enviroment,that way the form players has a better chance of repeating that good form and they dont get demotivated and head overseas because they dont even get a chance?

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.11.13 15:15:03 by BarendL Reply
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  • I think taking a young sa u/20 TH of a year or two ago is a good pick; he has shown good form for the bulls and in a year or so the guy can be a real contender…..HM got it spot on!

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.11.13 15:44:45 by KingsArmy Reply

  • Can’t fault this pick. Meyer quite clearly working with a plan. Hopefully we end this tour on a high. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.11.13 15:48:56 by McLovin Reply

  • The bulls loosehead prop morne mallet is also looking good. Remember nick mallet picking dave von hesselen and gaffie du toit as our young and inexp halfback combenation against the AB in nz…..and it back fired. Remember jwhite selection debacle against the aussies and we got hammered 49-0……remember pdivvy picking adrian jacobs ahead of jfourie against BILions and jsmit ahead od bissie……carel du plissis picking percy at senter against BILions in ’97……HM is actually cruising if u think back……

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.11.13 15:54:11 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 60) : The man has obviously done his homework. 😈 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.11.13 16:16:34 by McLovin Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 60) : Have to agree that HM is cruising. The fixture list this year enables that, the only real challenge was always going to be the AB’s, and that went as predicted. The Frogs could be a challenge but they could also be a walkover.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.11.13 16:18:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) :
    My take too.

    I’m not concerned about who is selected to carry tackle bags, but please don’t try to tell me that we are playing phenomenally well.

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.11.13 16:27:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I think the difference between the bokke and the AB is K Reid…..he’s having an awesome year. We just don’t have a player that links so well with the backline. He score tries…he make tries. Without him they would have lost against us and against england.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.11.13 16:59:13 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 63) : think about it: the bokke of 2007 just had to win england twice, fiji and argt……the bokke of 2013 would do that with their eyes closed!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.11.13 17:02:20 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) : How isthis year’s fixture list different from any other year? Except world cup years.

    And how many Bok coaches won 75-80% of tests in their 2nd season?

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.11.13 17:06:35 by McLovin Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 63) : Maybe not ‘phenomenally’ well, but winning and scoring tries. And not conceding that many either.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.11.13 17:09:53 by McLovin Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 65) :
    Would versus did. A world of difference between the two.

    @McLovin (Comment 67) :
    This is not untrue.

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.11.13 17:17:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 68) : come to think of it…..can’t think of any springbok team that wouldn’t have won that 2007 worldcup.

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.11.13 18:33:17 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @KingsArmy (Comment 69) : The 2003 team.

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.11.13 19:04:12 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 69) : that’s a wonderfully easy statement to make because there is absolutely no way to either prove or disprove it.

    I reckon we ignore it with the contempt it deserves.

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.11.13 19:54:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Sharkies doth protest too much.

    2013 so far, is the best year for the Boks since 1998.
    HM 1st 2 years as Bok coach is the best since 1998-’99.

    And Mallett’s record then took a serious nose dive. Chances are, by next year this time, the Boks will have had their best 3 year record of the professional era.

    Things are looking up. Except for those that live to complain.

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.11.13 21:59:46 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 66) : When has a Bok coach had the luxury of playing 2 games agaimst Scotland, 2 against Argentina, 2 against a really piss poor Australia and then throw in Italy and Samoa as well. The nature of rugby and its unpopularity as a global sport means that at any one time you will be lucky to have 4 teams of consistant parity at the top end of scale, at the moment it is only really SA and NZ and even there NZ are going to win 8/10.
    Anyway its just an opinion.

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.11.13 08:21:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 69) : Thats like me saying “come to think of it…..can’t think of any Springbok team that wouldn’t have won the same games as HM has this year”

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.11.13 08:39:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 72) : or those who believe the true benchmark is being able to beat the All Blacks…

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.11.13 10:34:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 73) : Just of the top off my head, didn’t White have games against Namibia, Samoa, Uruguay or was it Paraguay or some other guay. All bok coaches have a few ‘easy’ games a season. All evens out in the end.

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.11.13 11:09:08 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 76) : He probably did, I have no idea if they were all in the same year or even if they were in the opening rounds of the world cup. The fact is unless the Argies become more competitive then all coaches in the Championship competition from now on have 2 extra gimme games to make their stats look better….thats if you like your stats. Im also afraid that Aussie rugby needs to start turning a corner soon or they will also become whipping boys.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.11.13 11:33:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 73) :
    “When has a Bok coach had the luxury of playing 2 games agaimst Scotland, 2 against Argentina, 2 against a really piss poor Australia and then throw in Italy and Samoa as well.”

    more or less all of them. Even the “great” Kitch Christie only had 1 game against NZ and 1 against Oz (both at home) and the rest were second rate opposition, most at home.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.11.13 12:13:41 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 78) : he beat New Zealand. That’s good enough in my book.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.11.13 12:26:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 78) : Im not going to dig up all the fixture list but as pointed out we already have an extra 2 gimme games against the Argies in the 4 nations….and 2 games against Scotland, when has that ever happened in modern times.

    Anyway your point just enhances the view that rugby at a high standard is only consistantly played by very few countries.

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.11.13 12:33:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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    What do PSdT & Lambie have to do to get a start?What about Marcel?The mind boggles!

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.11.13 13:28:59 by markm Reply

  • @markm (Comment 81) : Pull up their socks. 😈 πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.11.13 13:31:24 by McLovin Reply

  • 8 Sharks in the starting 23.9 Overseas based players. Kockott is already in France, why did they not use him instead of Vermaak?

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.11.13 13:34:36 by markm Reply

  • @markm (Comment 83) : Handing out debuts to overseas based players is frowned upon if I’m not mistaken.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.11.13 13:43:43 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 84) : Apparently, cant see why though.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.11.13 13:53:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @markm (Comment 83) : Rory will look better in a French jersey anyway. That cockerel will look just right for him.

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.11.13 13:55:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 85) : talk about closing the stable door 20 years after the fekking horse DIED.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.11.13 14:00:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) :

    The Bok record against the ABs since re-admission is to win around 1 out of, every 4 matches.
    Some coaches, like PDivvie, did better (2 out of 4), some did worse. If not for a referee mistake, HM would have been right on average. If not for Steyn’s poor kicking last year, he could have been up with the best.
    The difference is just bad luck.

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.11.13 14:05:49 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 88) : always an excuse for why Heyneke didn’t win.

    Always a reason for why Divvy’s wins didn’t count.

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.11.13 15:17:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Always an excuse/reason to be negative when the team is actually doing well

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.11.13 15:49:36 by KingsArmy Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 89) :

    Nope. Wins and losses all count, but there’s no denying that many, going both ways, are the result of luck.
    Meyer’s, Divvy’s, White’s and Mallet’s, over all records are not that far apart. The differences may well be just luck. All 4 may be equally poor, or equally good.

    Or Horror!

    The specific coach, players or game-plan may be of little consequence. The New Zealanders may be just be better at rugby than the South Africans.

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.11.13 17:05:18 by fyndraai Reply
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