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Kings team to face Cheetahs


Written by Pierre McLeod (pierre_mackie)

Posted in :EP Kings, Original Content on 22 Jan 2014 at 10:00
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The Kings have named their team for the first of three warm-up matches, when they take on the Cheetahs at the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium in Port Elizabeth on Saturday.

Veteran lock, Darron Nell, will captain the side with EP Rugby player of the year, Ronnie Cooke, as the vice captain. Promising youngster Sergeal Petersen will also be making his return to the senior side on Saturday.

With the loss of many senior players to other provinces the Kings had to borrow a few players, including scrumhalf Jaco Grobler, hooker JC Oberholzer (Leopards), lock Stephan Greef (Lions), centre Dwayne Jenner (Border) and hooker Tabbie du Plessis (Free State).

Du Plessis, who is the younger brother of Springbok duo Bismarck and Jannie, will not take part in Saturdays match, but Grobler and Jenner get starting positions with Greef playing off the bench. The rest of the team is made up of experienced campaigners mixed with a lot of younger up-and-coming Kings players.

Steven Sykes will partner Nell at lock, George Whitehead (who has been released form a wider Sharks Super Rugby training group) will cover the all important fly-half position. The back three for the Kings will ensure a lot of excitement as Micheal Killian and the elusive Siviwe Soyizwapi form a deadly attack with Petersen.

Nell said the players had been working on a few new things, and the Kings supporters could expect to see some entertaining and exciting rugby.

“We have always had good support at the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium and would love to have the fans come out and support us on Saturday,” said Nell.

Kick off will be at 5pm (not televised)

Southern Kings:
1 BG Uys 2 Dane van der Westhuyzen 3 Pieter Stemmet 4 Steven Sykes 5 Darron Nell 6 Rynier Bernardo 7 Paul Schoeman 8 Devin Oosthuizen 9 Jaco Grobler 10 George Whitehead 11 Michael Killian 12 Dwayne Janner 13 Ronnie Cooke 14 Sergeal Petersen 15 Siviwe Soyizwapi

16 Albe de Swardt 17 Brenden Olivier 18 Vukile Sofisa 19 Stephan Zaayman 20 Stephan Greef 21 Thembelani Bholi 22 Claude Tshidibi 23 Sonwabo Majola 24 Shane Gates 25 Ntabeni Dukisa 26 Brian Skosana


46 Comments

  • No pressure (in a rugby sense) on Tabbie du Plessis at all.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.01.14 10:06:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 1) : I think he’s kind of accepted that he’ll not follow in the footsteps. Apparently a very nice bloke, but not really much more than a club player.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.01.14 10:07:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Is it just me or is this a very average side? Yes 1 or 2 decent players but nothing more than that. Where is this abundance of talent in the Eastern Cape? Are they just not ready yet or have the good players move onto other Unions already leaving nothing behind. The reason i ask is that much is made of the untapped talent in the Eastern Cape but EP is average at Craven Week and then their senior teams only decent players are flown in. So are we just kidding ourselves and should rather focus on the Pumas region who do fare well at Craven Week? Food for thought

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.01.14 10:39:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : the Kings have lost 33 players since last year so it will look like an ave side, theres a lot of u21 players in the squad with a few playing Varsity Cup for Madibaz, theres also a lot of last yeas u19 players that will come through next year, and if theres nothing to keep the players, CC or SR, then they will also move on, u19/u21 both won their competitions with the u21 unbeaten.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.01.14 11:00:27 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 4) : Ok hang on, lets put this in context cos facts alone are misleading. Of the 33 that left how many only arrived for the Super rugby season in 2013 and left thereafter? And of those how many were Eastern Cape boys? The u19 and u21s won the 1st division not premier division if im not mistaken so you have to put that in context. Im not saying guys arent coming through and yes the lure of CC or Super rugby will definitely help- but what i am saying is are we not over estimating the regions ability and if say the same resources went to say the pumas region would the results not be better? im not saying they will be better just posing a question

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.01.14 11:24:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) :

    I also have a question regarding this . As a Lions supporter i know playing super rugby and cc prem div does not mean you will keep your players .

    At the end of the day the Sharks , Bulls and Stormers will come knocking if a player shows talent .

    So when this happens , how will the Kings keep the players ?

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.01.14 12:17:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : At craven week the sharks aren’t much better off than EP. Sharks don’t even play in the Varsitycup!! Without SR and money the sharks are at par with the Griffons!

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.01.14 12:24:06 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • Getting back to rugby…..saw that D Jenner from border, not a bad player. Back three looks exciting. Nell, sykes and barnado are three big boys, but its gonna be a struggle.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.01.14 12:29:53 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 7) : So you are actually saying that the Sharks, as a union, are the bizznisss.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.01.14 12:41:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 7) : Im not too sure about your craven week comment as i know the Sharks have played in a final within the last couple years. Sharks as good as Griffons…hahaha Dont get me started on the farce that is varsity cup – more than 70% of those guys are flown in for the competition and leave after back to their Unions like the Sharks, Bulls etc. My argument was not that EP region is crap but rather is the money channeled to them wisely spent or would it be better utilised by say the Pumas region combining with the Valke for instance. Or give the Sharks more money so we stay better than the Griffons…

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.01.14 12:53:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 9) : What I’m saying is don’t act high and mighty…..

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.01.14 12:55:43 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 11) : coming from a guy whose team DIDN’T win the Currie Cup 🙂

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.01.14 12:58:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : we would like to see more black rugby players represent the bokke like kolisi. Channeling money through pumas or valke isn’t gonna help with that. E Cape got the most black rugby players and the only way to bring them through is with money and snr rugby. E Cape is a big region with no top rugby. Ask around and u will hear no one wants to see another white transvaal team.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.01.14 13:03:20 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @pierre-mackie (comment 5) : EP might be average at the craven week (even though they where unbeaten in 2012 – granted some years better than others) but it about building the franchise consisting of EP, SWD & Border…. SWD have been awesome at Craven Week and if you add EPCD, BorderCD and Border to the craven week pool of players then there is a lot of potential (ability). And with NMMU becoming more competitive and assisting the academy in keeping players things looking up. Some serious talent in the junior structures – just need to keep them and to be able to do that ,the Kings need a major competition for players to compete in or they will leave.
    Unfortunately from the region you can probably only build one successful union and have two supporting unions – but in all should be able to become a competitive franchise given time and opportunity.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.01.14 13:05:28 by Brandewijn van Coke Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 13) : I know you mean no harm, but please do be aware that we don’t discuss matters of race on this site, under any circumstances.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.01.14 13:11:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 13) : I know this is fringing on the political so forgive me Rob but why do we have to bring through black rugby players from the Eastern Cape who may or may not be good, as there are no guarantees, especially in a region known for financial mismangement. Why can we not bring through white/black/coloured/asain players from the Pumas/Valke region instead? (Im just using the pumas as an example here cos they fair well at Craven week and did win CC 1st div). To be honest i dont care if the guy is black/blue/white or yellow as long he is good enough to add value to the Boks. Yes there are black guys that could be good given time and resources BUT there are also white players that could also be good given those same time and resources. So back to my argument- if another Union was backed like the EP union has been would they have fared better?

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.01.14 13:13:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : coming from a guy whose team DIDN’T win the conference trophy…..ever! O wait ur team came fckn 8th! Lol

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.01.14 13:22:39 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 17) : Your only as good as your last game…..which we won to be CC Champs…just saying haha

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.01.14 13:25:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 17) : and yours came last and got relegated.

    Really want to play this game? Really?

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.01.14 13:33:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : can play it all day long robbie! Big bulls fan! My team got 3 trophies, urs 0. Let me come out and say it early…..sharks gonna choke again!!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.01.14 13:48:26 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 20) : if you’re a Bulls supporter, then why call yourself KingsArmy?

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.01.14 13:53:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 13) : Well if you want more Boks like Kolisi, Ntubeni, Bobo etc then Id say give that money to the WP school scouts and they will do the rest for you. 😈

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.01.14 13:58:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : cause I stay in PE and got a soft spot for them. Took a sabbatical from the bulls last year to support the Kings, felt good to have them playing top rugby. The economy off Ecape jump up with superrugby, this region needs it. We’ve got a beautiful stadium to play in, the next two years will be long.

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.01.14 14:03:12 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 23) : Seems like even the Bulls players took a sabatical in later stages of 2013. PE stadium is very good and you get a good show…even maybe some MMA in the stands during the rugby. haha

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.01.14 14:11:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : Buddy I think u missing the point of SR, its far more than just rugby. Its about the upliftment of a whole community. SR for one year has allready brought in millions to PE. Having that amount come in every year would be massive…..

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.01.14 14:11:50 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : bulls couldn’t play in the play-offs of the cc, cause they had to go and wright matriek exams. Haha at least we don’t kill people on the B field

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.01.14 14:15:26 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 26) : Matriek is vary impotent so fair enuf. But in all honestly the Kings do have everything to be a successful Union except for the management- and thats the hardest thing but most important thing to change.

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.01.14 14:19:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 25) : Not missing your point at all – it was about making certain Eastern Cape players bokke – I just pointed out a cheaper, proven method.

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.01.14 14:31:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : If u talking about the Watsons I get ur point, but to be honest they haven’t done anything wrong since starting here. In fact EP are better of than before they came. Think we did ok in our first year of SR. Kings won 1st Dif under them, kings u/21 won 1dif. EP are definitely on the rise under them. Forgive Luke long ago…..old news now, let’s move on.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.01.14 14:58:49 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : EP Rugby is paying the price for poor management years ago, but I believe theyve come a long way since 2009, structures are better and the union seems alot more professional

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.01.14 15:03:25 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 29) : Is Andries Strauss still around – or did I read that he has gone to Europe?

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.01.14 15:04:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingsArmy (Comment 17) : come boys play nice, no need for this, dont give Kings supporters a bad name

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.01.14 15:10:41 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : he followed Solly to Edinburgh

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.01.14 15:11:49 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 30) : Arent Border on the brink of liquidation? The Kings signed so many players instead of using who they had they couldnt manage the salary bill so lost all those and have to start again from scratch. So all ive seen is a non sustainable product from their management. How well run is their academy? NMMU seems to do very well at recruiting- can those same people not recruit for the EP region?

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.01.14 15:17:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : players leave cause they want to play SR CC or a bigger cheque, dont think there is one player, thats good enough, that will stay to play 1st div

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.01.14 15:29:15 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : If we had SR this year we would have manage our salary bill just fine. How many players would u keep without SR. Winning 3 and drawing one shows that signing those players was the right thing to do. The sharks is the one team u would have thought to not complain about EP getting a free ride, since natal got a hand out back in the day and not look back. Just want the same for the Kings.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.01.14 15:42:52 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 36) : @pierre_mackie (Comment 35) : The difference being the Sharks created a sustainable product that was successful. Using what they were given the Sharks have created probably the most profitable and sustainable brand in the country. So if i go with your logic then in order for the Kings to be successful they need to get money to buy a team, then despite results that bought team needs to be given Super Rugby and CC status ahead of more deserving Unions. And how long should they be given these before the Union is deemed a success or failure- 2? 5? 10years? First create a sustainable product utilising the resources you have, then apply for more resources based on your success. my argument right in the beginning was that given the same resources and competition entry that the Kings were given would another Union have fared better? I think there is a good argument for yes they would have. So then is it worth continuing throwing money there?

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.01.14 15:51:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : that will not work in SA Rugby’s structure, let the Kings play CC for the next two seasons till 2016 and then make a dicision where to go from there, I was never in favour of letting them play SR before CC, but it happened and they did show they can compete atleast against SAs top unions, looking at the scores they were never embarrassed, except by the Bulls

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.01.14 16:17:50 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : same can be said about the sharks, they got picked up, given money and time in cc. Now I want the same for my team. If u don’t like it, too bad!

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.01.14 16:18:17 by KingsArmy Reply

     
  • @KingsArmy (Comment 39) : I have no problem with a Union being given resources and competition entry, BUT they have to put in place sustainable structures. My argument was never that A Union got given the resources etc. my argument is that was the Kings the right Union or could another union have better untilised the resources.

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.01.14 16:35:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • im keen to see the Kings back 3, given good ball and space

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.01.14 17:27:58 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • What happened to Sergeal Petersen looking for a S15 side to join?

    Completely wasted at the Kings

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.01.14 01:47:59 by Saffex Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) :

    AMEN BROTHER !!! AMEN !!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.01.14 13:15:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 43) : Surely that is just good business logic or am i living in my own world?

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.01.14 13:24:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) :

    my man . this is SA . Good Business logic will never apply 😛

    But i agree with you . The Pumas have achieved much more with much less resources .

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.01.14 13:35:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 45) : Haha yeh ok fair point. Well look i was using the Pumas just as a reference but they d also have a brand new stadium. They have a good school and craven week structure. Im not too sure what they are like between the school side and senior provincial side though but im sure some money their way could easily set up a decent academy. I mean heaven forbid we produce a steady stream of rugby playing farmers from up north…

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.01.14 13:51:32 by SheldonK Reply

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