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Sharks player ratings v Lions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 10 Mar 2014 at 10:24
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The Sharks scored another bonus point victory this past weekend and were pretty much in control of things against the Lions for most of the game, apart from one rather uncomfortable period towards the end. While they may have taken their time to put the result completely beyond doubt, the team performed admirably, particularly given the last-minute change at flyhalf.

We rated the team at 7/10 and climbing this week, an indication that the Sharks continue to do far more right than they do wrong, but are also still some way off that perfect performance.

Here are the individual ratings. If you disagree with them, of course, you can always download the new Vodacom Super Rugby Stats App and use those numbers to prove your point. You can find it in both the Google Play Store and Apple App Store, or find more details about it here.

1) Beast Mtawarira. Another strong showing from Beast, who was very busy on the carry and also stood up well against Redelinghuys (who is proving a good tighthead) at scrum time. 7/10
2) Bismarck du Plessis. A quiet game from the captain, who seemed far more subdued that usual. We also need to question why he didn’t take a firmer tone with referee Peyper at times. Individual skills in the primary phases remain exemplary, but we have such high expectations of Bismarck, don’t we? 6/10
3) Jannie du Plessis. Was very solid in the scrums, which started to backpedal rather rapidly once he was no longer there. 7/10
4) Anton Bresler. A strong and physical showing from Bresler, who played like a man possessed. Again, the loss of grunt up-front was noticeable when he was yanked, perhaps untimely, from the field. 7/10
5) Pieter-Steph du Toit. Superb line-out play, as we’ve come to expect and a pretty decent all-round showing, although Pieter-Steph is clearly being marked as a ball carrier as he now struggles to make much progress with the pill. 7/10
6) Marcell Coetzee. Continues to improve as an opensider each week; his work rate on both attack and defence were immense and he grew in stature as the game progressed, perhaps indicating a higher level of fitness than the others around him? Well played Marcell! 8/10
7) Willem Alberts. The Bone Collector added a few more to his collection this week and was simply huge on defence. Made some ground with ball in hand, but perhaps not as much as we’ve come to expect. 7/10
8) Ryan Kankowski. His yellow card proved costly indeed, even if he did end up taking the individual blame for a series of team transgressions. That said, Kanko was immense, with his superb linking play proving instrumental in a number of the Sharks’ tries. Let’s not forget his line-out play, with a few clean takes on opposition ball the highlight. 8/10

9) Cobus Reinach. A very useful game from the young man; he focused on getting quick, clean ball to his flyhalf and let Steyn and SP Marais handle the kicking. Only made one real break, but that break resulted in the best try of the evening. 8/10
10) Frans Steyn. In the context of where he is as a player, this was immense. Not having played 10 at all for some seasons, Steyn slotted in at very short notice and delivered a place-kicking masterclass. While his general play was perhaps not quite as precise, we’ll cut him some slack given his long lay-off from the position. A clear match-winning display all the same. 8/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. A really, really good game from a player who is adding more strings to his bow with each outing. Last year’s Mvovo would not have had the skill, nor the vision, to execute the kick that led to Paul Jordaan’s try…. this year’s model pulled it off like a natural who does that sort of thing 100 times before breakfast. 8/10
12) Heimar Williams. A little quiet in his first start, but I guess you can understand that many of the plays would have gone directly from Steyn to Jordaan, since that’s what the team practised all week! Defensively sound and will look to get his hands on the ball more next time he plays. 6/10
13) Paul Jordaan. You feel that Jordaan is a player whose time has finally come. With each successive performance, he is erasing any remaining doubts about his suitability for the position he’s playing. Would have scored an 8 had it not been for a few fumbles, many of which were admittedly caused by ugly passes. 7/10
14) Odwa Ndungane. Another man to have a rather quieter game; this week, all the ball went the other way. Did well to score a good try with the one real opportunity he had, though. 7/10
15) SP Marais. A superb performance on defence, apart from a single fumble under pressure late in the game. Marais continues to tick more and more of the fullback boxes each week and must surely be coming into the reckoning for higher honours. 8/10

16) Kyle Cooper. Unused.
17) Dale Chadwick. Was taught a bit of a lesson at scrumtime by his junior teammate Redelinghuys. Very active on the carry. 6/10
18) Lourens Adriaanse. Took a step backwards in the primary phases, conceding at least two penalties as well. Not his best showing to date. 6/10
19) Stephan Lewies. He’s a young player learning the ropes, but one has to wonder whether he’s really the right guy to come on for the physical Bresler when the up-front competition has not quite been won yet. The pack took a step back with two number 5s on the field. 6/10
20) Jean Deysel. A quiet game form Deysel, whom I hardly saw, to be completely honest. 6/10
21) Charl McLeod. Performed well without doing anything exceptional. 7/10
22) Fred Zeilinga. Unused. Perhaps a blessing given that he played 70 minutes of Vodacom Cup rugby the night before.
23) S’bura Sithole. A very good showing from S’bura, who had little chance with ball in hand but put in some magical work on defence, including a stunning tackle to force the lineout that led to the bonus point try. 7/10


80 Comments

  • If White was the messiah, then I would have been a follower. But there is one thing that he needs do do still, kick Chadwick so far away from anything resembling a rugby team as possible! Why he is in the SupeRugby team and Herbst is at the VC team is beyond me. Stevens can’t arrive quickly enough. Our scrum almost fell to pieces as soon as Chadwick came on.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.03.14 10:34:01 by KingRiaan Reply
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  • Ok ouens so I say: after round 3 for us all systems are still green! The big test is coming in the next couple of weeks!

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.03.14 10:39:39 by R Hayward Reply
     
  • @KingRiaan (Comment 1) : I hate to interrupt a rant with common sense, but you are aware that Chadwick is a loosehead and Herbst a tighthead, right?

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.03.14 10:45:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well done to Jordaan!

    Backed him on Sportsbet for First Try Scorer . . 😎

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.03.14 10:47:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Im so amazed by the performance that marcell coetzee puts in every weekend. This kid is amazing. How he handles to make himself involved in every aspec of the game. His workrate composure and defense is great. The other thing that also stands out is the fact that he has been so amazing in the openside flanker position and manages to give away hardly any penalties.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.03.14 10:47:34 by kaapsebra Reply

     
  • So chuffed to see Sbura play at the end there, pity Lions had so much of the ball when he was on and didn’t get the opportunities with ball in hand. He was nonetheless quality in other aspects

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.03.14 10:48:20 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 6) : Hmmm I seem to a remember a high tackle, but yes, it would`ve been good to see more of him with ball in hand.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.03.14 10:52:23 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • When I saw Paul Jordaan’s neck muscles in December I just knew he will be immense during this season.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.03.14 10:54:03 by bokbok Reply

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  • Agree with your individual ratings in general Rob. Where I diverge is on the ‘7/10 and climbing’ team rating: I would argue 7/10 and static based on certain points. The biggest of those concerns for me is the inability to defend the rolling maul. We play the Bulls again in 2 weeks and can certainly expect a “Rolling maul-athon” from them in that game based on Saturday’s evidence and that of the first Bulls’ match. If we don’t get this aspect right it’s game over I’m afraid 😐

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.03.14 10:58:46 by Greg Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 7) : that high tackle call was shocking.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.03.14 11:01:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Yes, but if my memory serves me correct, Herbst has actually played a couple of games for the Sharks at loosehead as well and actually done pretty well there. Plus playing loosehead is much easier than playing tighthead, thus a good thighthead can become a great loosehead, but looseheads very seldom can be great tightheads.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.03.14 11:09:26 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Cooper’s lack of game time is starting to worry me,must add tho Biz is so good what is a coach too do.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.03.14 11:13:43 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 11) : The bigger question may well be ‘why is Chadwick still the the 2 choice at loosehead?’ when guys like van Dyk and Redelinghuys were allowed to move on to the Cheetahs and Lions respectively.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.03.14 11:16:14 by Greg Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 11) : Herbst lacks the ball skills to play loosehead.

    You guys with your little Chadwick issue should actually spend some time watching the game and perhaps count just how many involvements he typically has… and then compare his workrate and ball skills to the other props on display.

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.03.14 11:16:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 13) : again, because both of those guys you mention are TIGHTHEADS.

    come guys, it’s hard to take you at all seriously if you can’t even distinguish between the two prop positions.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.03.14 11:17:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Pretty much agree with all but I’d have given Alberts an 8. Mainly that he was instrumental in two of the tries. The second one was when he charged down a kick that Marcell collected and offloaded to Odwa.

    Think Sbura’s defensive work will make Jake a very happy coach as this has cleared a few question marks.

    Regarding Dale & Lourens… Think they should’ve listened to Jannie (and man you gotta love how shy he is when talking in front of a camera) who said that that pack was the strongest one they’ve played against this year. Anyway I still rate Dale, but he just had a bad day in the scrums. There was so much nonsense going on those scrums largely thanks to some rather inconsistent reffing.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.03.14 11:18:02 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 12) : Yup, but Bis had to stay on for two reasons that I can think of. Scrums were extremely messy and needed the experience in the front row. He was also needed to drive the guys to the bonus point try.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.03.14 11:21:40 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : I do agree with you that his workrate is very good, but what use is a prop if he can’t scrum? Then all he basically is, is a slower version of a flanker. It is just that for a couple of seasons now, he has been given the opportunity to really entrench himself as the backup to the Beast, but he has never convinced. A season or two ago, his scrumming was alright, but his work-rate was atrocious. Now his work-rate is high, but he can’t scrum an old lady from her rocking chair. I for one can’t wait to see when Thomas du Toit is gonna get an opportunity.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.03.14 11:24:14 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Many props, Oosthuizen, Nyakane, Herbst, Stevens being names off the top of my head play either side at a high level. Others don’t. If the loosehead depth is such an issue then a switch is surely the obvious option to take ❗

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.03.14 11:24:35 by Greg Reply

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  • I think the problem with Chadwick is that the primary concern for a prop is to be solid in the scrums and loose play is a bonus. Chadwick is a beast in general play but I can only think of a handful of games where he held his own at scrum time and even less where he dominated.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.03.14 11:28:37 by Half-Pint Reply

     
  • @gregkaos (Comment 17) : so we won this weekend… #justsaying 🙂

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.03.14 11:28:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 16) : Agreed on all points. I’ve mentioned this before regarding Alberts – I think he’s been tasked by Jake to fulfill a more traditional blind-side role, getting on with the dirty work and leaving the carrying to Coetzee and the Hoff. If you look at his play, he does free them up to do a lot more of that.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.03.14 11:31:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 18) : look…. I’m certainly not going to disagree with you and pretend that I think Dale is the long-term answer as successor to Beast. I just don’t think he’s anywhere near as bad a player as he is made out to be.

    One thing we can agree on is that du Toit is hopefully the answer, but we also need to bear in mind that he’s only 18 and WILL take a few years to ripen.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.03.14 11:32:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Yup I know and have not forgotten! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.03.14 11:33:33 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 19) : re Nyakane, I’d argue that these days he plays neither side to a particularly high level 🙂

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.03.14 11:33:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 24) : I’m like a crack addict, man 🙂

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.03.14 11:34:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Problem, for me at least, is I’m hugely and irrationally superstitious when it comes to the Sharks!

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.03.14 11:37:23 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 27) : I know that feeling

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.03.14 11:40:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : So far everything is working, hopefully Bissie will have strong words with him. But yeah, the sooner Thomas gets used to playing at the top,the better. But hey, we are winning so I’m all happy, its just that as a former prop myself, I get ridiculously angry when I see bad scrumming from a loosehead, its a prop thing hahaha

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.03.14 11:51:43 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I’d give Steyn a 9; but I was at the stadium so maybe I missed a few mistakes.

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.03.14 11:56:49 by Shred Reply

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  • @Shred (Comment 30) : I thought about it, but some of his passing was not quite sweet enough to warrant that.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.03.14 11:59:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Shred (Comment 30) : I was there too and his biggest sin was losing the ball in contact a couple of times. Apparently he was only told he was playing 10 just before the game so all in all an outstanding effort from him 😉

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.03.14 12:02:20 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 9) : Regarding the rolling maul……………every weekend I try and make sense out it, the defending part. How do officials allow players coming in from the side, The Bulls are experts at this plus a few other teams, and yet they get away with it every week. By contrast did Kanko come in from the side…………and where does a player have to come in. I’m under the impression they have to enter from a position parallel to their goal line……… 🙄

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.03.14 12:08:34 by Bayshark Reply

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  • @Bayshark (Comment 33) : It’s a mystery wrapped in an enigma in my opinion

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.03.14 12:13:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : That’s probably something I missed; we were behind the posts.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.03.14 12:16:16 by Shred Reply

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  • @Bayshark (Comment 33) : I hear what you’re saying and am equally confused by the application of the law regarding this aspect of the game 😯
    Unfortunately it has become apparent that this is a weakness in the makeup of the current Sharks team, so in boxing terms the opposition is going to keep hitting us where it hurts and using the rolling maul to effect a score 😕

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.03.14 12:16:18 by Greg Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : Pardon my ignorance, but isn’t carrying a traditional blindside job? NOTE: I know it’s hard to comprehend, but this is a serious question by Culling Song sans sarcasm or attempt at provocation

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.03.14 12:19:32 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Agree, he did incredibly well NOT to actually have tackled that little guy high. Peyper, or the linesman got it wrong .

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.03.14 12:20:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 36) : I hear you but it would be wonderful to understand the correct interpretation. I understand most of the laws but this one has me more and more confused. How can players come in from the side, at right angles to the maul and drive it into touch…………and this be allowed. Just saying and scratching my head 😯 ❓

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.03.14 12:21:03 by Bayshark Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 6) : And on both occasion that high tackle penalties were awarded, FAF had ducked and on both occasions the defenders arms started around FAF’s shoulder………………I’ve seen many an instance were an attackers head has been knocked back and no penalty given. I believe Pyper had a shocker and allowed the scrums to be manipulated.

    On one instance Bizzie almost suffered from whip lash due to the force of the illegal scrumming from the Lions TH and hooker, and nothing was said. At least Robbie Kempson picked it up. My opinion and only my opinion I believe Pyper is pretty average to useless as a ref and almost in Willie Roos’ class.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.03.14 12:28:00 by Bayshark Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 37) : Might be a case of semantics regarding the term ‘traditional’. I’m using it in a more historical context.

    I’m under the impression that using the blindside in a carrying role has only become more popular in the last 10 or so years. Always got the feeling that before that, the blindside similar to the no. 4 lock, tended to stick to the dirtier work – enforcing, bone-crunching tackles, clearing the rucks, eye-gouging, head-butting, inappropriate “jou ma” insults to the opposition, etc…

    I could be completely wrong though. As a guy in my early thirties who watches a lot more rugby now that in his younger days I might simply be misremembering.

    Whatever the case, I do think Alberts is allowing Coetzee and the Hoff especially to play a far more open and roaming game.

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.03.14 12:31:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : @Shred (Comment 30) : I think FS was sublime and showed why Bambie is no 10.Those passes where flat and across the gain line just the way they should be but for the clowns at 12 & 13 not doing there job and running onto those passes to break the line

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.03.14 12:39:06 by benji Reply
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  • Must say CR at 9 is starting to impress me,he is way off a Faf but great improvement,but CM must go,his breaking of the forward attacking momentum with his slow clean out and distribution costs the Sharks tries

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.03.14 12:43:07 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 42) : They were flat but on occasion I felt they were just a split second too slow. As if there was a moment’s indecision from Steyn’s side. That’s probably just as a result of the shift from 12 to 10 though.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.03.14 12:44:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @kingriaan firstly as a former prop you’d be able to distinguish between a loose head and a tight head secondly go read up on stats and look to see what Chadwick actually achieved in his 30mins outside the scrum, thirdly you would have noticed that the scrum collapse on adriannse’s side time and time again. Also another interesting fact that you might have missed is how towards the end Bismarck got tired and stood way too close to the opponent making it vERY tough for the props to gain momentum. You fans are so fickle! Read you stats and become educated and the only criticize. Jake White knows his rugby and what he’s doing if he thought Chadders wasn’t quite up to scratch he would’ve axed him as easily as the rest! Easy to sit on the coach and make stupid comments.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.03.14 12:50:03 by truthbetold Reply

     
  • Chadwick has copped a lot of abuse but to be fair in the second half the Lions scrumming was so illegal that it’s difficult to pass judgement. I do think he is a little to light to play loosehead.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.03.14 12:57:32 by byron Reply

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  • So 3 wins from 3 and 2 bonus points. Good record at home so far. True test will def come away from home though. But def cant complain so far. Yes more guys could have got game time, yes we would love to win by 50 points but i can guarantee you JW goes into the games wanting 3 things: 1. The win at all costs. 2. 4 tries 3. A good all round performance. Blooding players and everything else will come naturaly.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.03.14 13:00:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @truthbetold (Comment 45) : ice cold 🙂 Well played sir!

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.03.14 13:03:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Funny how bob skinstad didn’t go on a rant about that call, yet every call against the lions was, as he put it, “my job to expose the failures of the referees” (probably not an exact quote, but close enough)….no too sure when he was voted on to the refereeing panel. 🙄

    Bob probably wanted a “freedom of the park” ticket after he “graced” the Sharks with his presence, and is now sour that we really never considered him a genuine Shark. 😉

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.03.14 13:38:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • How was Mvovo under the high ball….pretty darn impressive.

    We’ll need those aerial skills against the 1D bulls team.

    Isn’t it amazing to have a Sharks backline outscoring the forwards for player ratings.

    JW’s time in Oz really broadened his vision, coaching 15 man rugby is a thing of beauty.

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.03.14 13:41:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Im so amazed by the performance that marcell coetzee puts in every weekend. This kid is amazing. How he handles to make himself involved in every aspec of the game. His workrate composure and defense is great. The other thing that also stands out is the fact that he has been so amazing in the openside flanker position and manages to give away hardly any penalties.

    Weldone to jake fixing the freak Frans steyn.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.03.14 13:47:43 by kaapsebra Reply

     
  • @kaapsebra (Comment 51) : Agreed.

    We have some healthy loose forward stocks in this country. There are a number of non Springboks I would love to see get a chance that probably wont under Meyer.

    There are two non Springboks who I feel are putting in massive performances; Jaco Kriel and Jaque Du Plesis.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.03.14 13:59:15 by Talent Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : Well he was never a Shark was he,he also did no great shakes for the sharks while there only the Sharks helped him into the Bok team while he was average at best at the time

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.03.14 14:01:53 by benji Reply
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  • The Sharks loose forwards are pushing for an all durban loose forward trio.

    Duane Vermulen has really evolved his game, and is probably recognized as the worlds 3rd best international 8th man. However I dont think he will ever match SP or KR for x-factor. Kankowski, to me, compliments the guys we have on the side of the scrum far more. #biasedbuthonestsharkssupporteropinionsherethatareboundtogethatefromjellystreamers 😆

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.03.14 14:10:01 by Talent Reply
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  • Both Jaco Peyper and Bobby Skinstad are KAK. Individual brilliance has helped us through the first three games- Because we have an awesome squad who are all individually brilliant. It takes time (years) for great teams to gel as a unit. Give our team some time. By the way we top the combined LOG. 😆 Some real concerns however with some forward play – scrums, etc. Sure we can fix this. Chadwick and Lewies (played poorly, never rated him at this level) not the answer on our bench. Our real test starts from this weekend. GO SHARKS !!!!!

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.03.14 14:21:19 by Observer Reply

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  • Frans’s performance with his penalty kicks and conversions has thrown a bit of doubt into my mind whether Pat should remain the primary kicker or not. What do you guys think?

    Can’t quite put my finger on it but something about his technique and the way he lines it up gives me the impression that he is very comfortable and confident with kicking from anywhere.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.03.14 14:22:59 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Observer (Comment 55) : Both Chadwick and Lewies are decent players. Chadwick has ironed out alot of his issues. Lewies is a player to watch in my opinion.

    I think thats posibbly and unfair summation, which team have we not dominated so far? Bulls forwards stood up to ours, but dont have the athleticism to compete for 80 minutes.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.03.14 14:25:54 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    I also don’t understand this obsession with Dale. He’s improved plenty of things since first called lazy by someone here.

    I think he’s a decent replacement and works hard when he is on the field.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.03.14 14:35:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • Biggest mistake with our scrums was subbing Bresler and Jannie at the same time…I don’t think Lewies is strong enough at scrum time to scrum behind th (I think that is where he scrummed when he came on?), but he has time on his side, plenty of time to muscle up and technique up.

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.03.14 14:41:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Ja, Dale has pulled up his socks big time. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.03.14 14:44:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I wasn’t able to watch the game on Saturday (had to drive the schoolbus to take some of the school to watch “sound of music”…), but from what I hear, Peyper had a crap game. Did he have a bad game for both teams, or more bad decisions against us? I am only wondering because of the nonsense that the Lions players are talking about, how they got the bad decisions because of Jake intimidating officials. If the officials are this easily intimidated, then I think most of them will crap their pants if Bismarck comes and stand next to them to ask a question!

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.03.14 14:55:37 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 60) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.03.14 15:04:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 61) : lions already starting to sound like the bulls…I’m not sure which game those boys were playing, but from what I saw, the Sharks had their number from the start of the game.

    And I have heard referees in the past stating that the player to jump for the ball in the air first, has the right to the ball, and thus the penalty against watermeyer was legitimate.

    It is amazing how the Lions always blame the ref when they lose against us, they couldn’t even beat the sub-par bulls, and only managed to beat the tsietas with a last second penalty.

    They weren’t weren’t penalised for their dangerous/illegal scrumming technique employed in the last 10 minutes on their 5m line, yet they want to complain about penalties not given. They were also far too slow in rolling away at the breakdown, whilst hardly being penalised for it.

    They are making it very easy to dislike them again.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.03.14 15:18:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @gregkaos (Comment 56) :
    You are spot on ,if you watch the Goose,Boshoff and FS ,they look composed over the ball as well as follow through while Bambie stabs at the kick and follow through

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.03.14 15:21:11 by benji Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 61) : jake didnt seem to intimidate the refs when he was doing his thing with the Lions.

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.03.14 15:29:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 65) : LOL 🙂

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.03.14 15:47:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’ll play devil’s advocate – I’ve seen a lot more whinging from Sharks fans regarding Peyper. You’d swear we didn’t come away with a bonus point on Saturday? Good teams win in spite of bad reffing decisions. We know this. We won on Saturday, against a bloody decent Lions team, in slippery conditions with an unexpected change at pivot and yet every second Sharks fan seems hell-bent on taking issue with the commentators, the ref or the Lions. It seems we love moaning for the sake of it? 🙄

    Rant over, I’ll go sit in the corner and behave now.

    Edit: I’m not against criticism or introspection but let’s not eject the babe with the bathwater?

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.03.14 16:21:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 67) : My issue with Skinstad is his general commentary, even when the Boks are playing, he just flaps his gums before his brain had time to properly construct a cohesive rational argument. The proverbial dumb-blonde of rugby commentary.

    And most of us are merely pointing out that Peyper was just as biased against us as he was against the lions (ie. just incompetent). But our players aren’t the ones making unfounded anonymous claims in the media, that the opposition coach intimidates the game officials.

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.03.14 16:34:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 68) : Haters gonna hate. It’s a fundamental part of supporting rugby. Recognise and enjoy it for what it is and then bask in the glory of being a supporter of the current overachieving side.

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.03.14 16:41:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 67) : I don’t take issue with the ref because he was equally crap for both teams, the Lions are a second rate team, and I was at the game so didn’t hear the commentary. I don’t agree that the Lions are a “bloody decent team”, sorry. Their final log position will reflect how good they are. The real tests lie in the games ahead, the first big one being against the ‘Tahs. I guess we should just enjoy that winning feeling while we can… 😉

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.03.14 16:42:48 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 70) : I’m not referring to their final log position bud (the lack of silverware at the top of my avatar will attest to my failure at rugby prophecy), I’m referring to how well they’re currently playing. It would be remiss not to acknowledge their current form. It may not be brilliant but it’s been commendable.

    Regarding your last point, my sentiments exactly!

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.03.14 16:48:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 63) : im a bit confused why they are complaining about that desision. Mvovo clearly beat watermeyer to the ball and watermeyer did not contest for it … he instead he had his arms around mvovo (a tackle) … watchingitonthe big screen at the stadium it looked like a yellow to me… sour grapes?

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.03.14 17:27:58 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 72) : I think their wins over the tsietas and streamers has them under the impression that they somehow became the big dogs of SR in SA.

    They’re struggling to come to grips with the fact that this comp has a very long duration, and by game number three they have already been found wanting.

    They will continue to regress if they believe the garbage they produced on Saturday – save for the 15mins in the second half – should have earned them victory. 🙄

    ….players anonymously making false accusations to media outlets should be condemned by the glru, SARU, SANZAR and IRB.

    It really should not be glossed over…in the words of Trevor Noah, they should “launch a probe” 😆

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.03.14 17:39:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @gregkaos (Comment 56) : Agreed. Why pressurize Lambie with the kicks if we`ve got Steyn to call on?

    Steyn will probably be called up to bok 12, with JdV shifting to 13 anyway so there`s no excuse of giving Lambie kicking practice for the Bokke . . .

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.03.14 18:16:37 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 73) : Wow I had to go and see that for myself. The Beeld owes me another BS meter reader. They still haven’t sent me the first one they broke with the afrikaanergate article.

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.03.14 18:20:50 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Fair ratings. Might have spared Frans a few more since his performance came with just a few minutes warning.

    Coetzee has been phenomenal so far this season.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.03.14 19:18:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Thanks for clearing up the reason why Frans kept on skipping Williams. I was getting frustrated at times.
    I would have liked to have seen Sbura on centre when he came on though.
    Great showing all round but we still need to offload more. We played ourselves into a rut there and struggled to get the bonus point until we worked together again. Well done boytjies!

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.03.14 22:18:45 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • On the vodacom rugby stats app its got Sbura making 2 turnovers. Is that right or did I miss something whilst pacing up and down my living room cheering the Sharks on?

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.03.14 23:43:52 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I will be the first to admit Cobus Reinach probably had his best game in a Sharks jersey, although he needs to stop those brain farts of his like kicking the ball away when we clearly taking advantage on attack.
    His clearing ad the bases of the rucks are allot faster, and he passes allot better than before. Hope he can keep this sort of play up.

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.03.14 09:59:59 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 79) : Wonderful, with this admission it will probably start snowing in Gauteng next ;-). Have to agree with you on the aimless kicks. We had clear momentum on at least two occasions I can recall where aimless kicking stopped us in our tracks. Hopefully a little more experience and a klap or two from his captain will sort that out.

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.03.14 10:09:53 by vanmartin Reply
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