Oh hindsight, you wonderful thing!

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 25 Mar 2014 at 11:41
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With the benefit of knowing exactly what ended up happening, I reckon the Sharks possibly didn’t get their selection for Loftus quite right; in fact, what unfolded there in an all-too-dramatic-for-my-liking 15 minute period exposed a number of questions about succession planning within our squad.

I’ve had a growing feeling in this campaign that Jake White hasn’t really put too much faith in his bench. With a starting fifteen that virtually picks itself, the Sharks have used the bench as a vehicle for giving fringe players a little game time towards the end of matches, but with only those substitutes of genuine, proven quality (Boks Jean Deysel, Charl McLeod and Lourens Adriaanse, for instance) given any real game time, it does feel a little as though “token caps” are the order of the day, once the game has already been won.

In short, the way the Sharks have utilised their bench to date hasn’t, I feel, provided adequate preparation for the sudden loss of one key player ten minutes into a match, much less two.

While it’s admirable that players have been rotated on the bench, the selection of two complete greenhorns for the Loftus derby indicated to me that White really didn’t anticipate that either would be required to play any sort of major role – in fact, he admitted as much during the post-game press conference, stating that the entire game plan had to be changed when Pat Lambie went off. Surely if Tim Swiel was ready to serve as the flyhalf cover in such an important game, then he should have been suitably prepared to step in do what Lambie needed to do? Whether that happened in the first minute, or the seventieth, really shouldn’t have made any difference.

There were few comments made during the week about the somewhat strange decision to elevate Swiel to a bench spot ahead of Fred Zeilinga, with the latter starting regularly at flyhalf for the Vodacom Cup side. In hindsight, we should perhaps have questioned this move a little more. Ditto the decision to throw greenhorn Andre Esterhuizen into the fray when the more experienced and composed Heimar Williams would have proved a safer option.

You can’t buy experience at this level and while it’s a good thing to back youngsters, it’s probably better to do so as part of a managed progression, rather than a deep end swim. Zeilinga and Williams are also young, let’s not forget.

The Sharks have, I hope, learned a lesson from this. As we’ve seen all too clearly this week, injuries are always going to open doors for younger players to step up. Looking ahead to a big challenge this weekend, I personally hope that the Sharks use all the experience they have available within the squad to nurture the guys asked to step in. That means, to me, that vice captains Jean Deysel and Odwa Ndungane have to be brought back into the fold, while the likes of Zeilinga and Williams must surely be recalled to continue the apprenticeships that started in such a promising fashion during the Currie Cup.

Swiel and Esterhuizen are wonderful young players and we know that they will have ample opportunity to show their value in the months and years to come, but for the Wartahs game, with a squad disrupted by injury already, I want to see as much experience as possible included in the matchday 23.


  • So, my backline is:

    9 McLeod
    10 Zeilinga
    11 Mvovo
    12 Steyn
    13 Pietersen
    14 Ndungane
    15 Marais

    21 Ungerer
    22 Williams
    23 Sithole

    It’s tough on S’bura, but we simply have to have our experienced men there in numbers to support Fred. More than being there, though, we need them to step up and play to their reputations.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.03.14 11:48:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Now is the time for Fred to stand up, and the Sharks seems to do well when we have a Fred at 10 πŸ˜‰ . I also just want to say that Chadwick has been playing awesome these past 2 games, almost so good that I might start forgiving him for not pulling up his socks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.03.14 11:53:34 by KingRiaan Reply

  • I agree completely.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.03.14 11:57:33 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : The one man we need to stand up and play to his potential is Bissie. He has been looking out of sorts likely. We are suppose to have one of the best front rows in world rugby, yet this year they have been playing like green horns. We need our forwards to stand up and bully the oppositions teams like we all know they can. Once they do that then we can afford to have a couple of rookies in the backline.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.03.14 11:58:04 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 1) :
    Yep that would pretty much be mine as well.

    Thing is though, if key experienced forwards (Bis, Kanko, Coetzee) don’t turn up again, it wont matter much who you pick at the back.

    Problem with the Sharks at the moment is that I haven’t seen too many, if any, tries from phase building etc. Almost every try has been from turnover or from set play. Which means that our ball retention has been average. All the Bulls had to do was disrupt our ball at the ruck and limit their errors and they knew they could have won it.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.03.14 12:00:00 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 5) : The Kiwi and Aussie teams are always bemused by us South Africans fascination with phase play. Because what is the use of going through 15 phases and u only make 10-20m of distance? Phase play is not the be all and end all. Being able to score tries from set pieces and speedy, clever turnovers, is way more valuable than phase after phase.

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.03.14 12:03:29 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @KingRiaan (Comment 4) : that’s tomorrow’s article

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.03.14 12:06:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : I agree 100%

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.03.14 12:06:34 by Franshark Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Have we already forgotten JP’s game vs. the Canes at 13 in 2013?….they murdered us.

    Sithole has done enough for me to prove that he’s able to make it at 13, and I have more confidence in his ability in that position than JP.

    You want Odwa on, it might have to be at fullback…SP has not been that great this season.

    Personally I think that, because Lambie was to be the Sharks starting (and finishing) fh for the entire season, JW probably got a bit greedy in wanting our best fh’s to start for the respective teams, in order for us to stand the best chance at winning two cups.

    His hand has been forced now and thus Fred will(surely) get his fair chance to show what skill set he can bring to the game of rugby.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.03.14 12:07:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 9) : I would also back Sithole, he does seems like he has the goods to really flourish as a 13.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.03.14 12:14:04 by KingRiaan Reply

  • JW seems to treat most of his bench for emergency cover, and not really as super-subs.

    You do really need 22 players in the squad where every one is good enough to start. Ideally the substitute for the key players that run the plays should be able to run and execute those plays too.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.03.14 12:14:11 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : You have experience either side of Fred – I would rather back Sithole. You need plenty pace against Aussie / Kiwi backlines.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.03.14 12:15:48 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Great article….I completely agree. JW was not at all prepared for the Lambie injury.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.03.14 12:22:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I reckon Swiel was on the bench instead of Zeilinga to give the latter some game time. As you rightly pointed out, Jake should then have prepared Swiel to play from the first minute if required. Perhaps Jake did and the occasion simply got to Swiel? A gamble that didn’t pay off?

    It’s tricky to figure out the exact reasoning on this one. There are too many possible permutations. Where I suspect that Jake really got it wrong though is backing two inexperienced players at once. Heimar should probably been on the bench ahead of Andre. Heimar’s composure and game-breaking ability could have provided Jake with the option to shift Frans to 10 much sooner.

    Anyway, great article. Provide lots of food for thought.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.03.14 12:34:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I fully agree on this Rob. Venter’s rotation policy helped us secure the CC. I don’t think he can ignore this.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.03.14 12:46:00 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Something I think we need to be aware of this week is not trying to protect who ever is chosen at 10. Look what happened to the Bulls with Fouche. Hougaard spent all his time trying to take the workload off Fouche and ended up with 2 players playing poorly. Who ever is chosen needs to be backed 100% to play the position at this level and not be seen as filling up a place

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.03.14 12:46:22 by Half-Pint Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : I saw an unfit disinterested JPP at Loftus on Saturday. I would continue with Sbura at 13 and play JPP from the bench.

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.03.14 12:57:19 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • I am not sure when Odwa will return or Deysel so this is the team I think will play this weekend, naturally if the 2 mentioned above are back they will come into the reckoning.

    OK gonna stick my neck out here, this will be the team I β€œthink” JW will select.

    15 SP
    14 JPP
    13 Sbura
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 Fred
    09 Mcleod
    08 Kanko
    07 Alberts
    06 Marcell
    05 Lewies
    04 Bresler
    03 Jannie
    02 Bismark
    01 Beast

    16 Mini Cooper
    17 Lourens
    18 Chadwick
    19 Oosthuizen
    20 Mthembu
    21 Ungerer
    22 Heimer
    23 Van Tonder

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.03.14 13:02:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 6) :
    Huh? The Aussies and Kiwis at masters at holding onto possession and then attacking as soon as they find a weak point in the defensive line.

    The Sharks have not been able to apply this type of pressure yet
    and have been playing to Jakes mantra which is to not keep possession. Ie Kick it away and wait on the opposition errors.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.03.14 13:21:14 by John Galt Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 18) : I think you right.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.03.14 13:25:26 by SheldonK Reply

  • I don’t have much time to read all these comment now (I save all the Sharks’ Site and Sharksworld – articles pertaining to Sharks only). So that I can read everything when I do have time.


    Rob that was the most perfect and in depth article. I agree with EVERYTHING you’ve said. Thanks for saying it all! I’ve been in a decline since Sat round 20:45 πŸ˜₯

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.03.14 13:35:19 by [email protected] Reply

  • Where is Steven Sykes? Impossible that we cant make a deal there.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.03.14 13:46:29 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • And Keegan? Cant we at least play him off the bench? He must feel like a caged dog right now which can only help us!

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.03.14 13:49:01 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : If I read between the JW lines I predict:
    9 McLeod
    10 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    12 Williams / Esterhuizen
    13 Sithole
    14 Pietersen
    15 Marais

    21 Ungerer
    22 Swiel
    23 Ndungane

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.03.14 13:50:09 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 19) : Yes no argument there, but where SA teams tend to focus on the phase play as the holy grail, teams from Down-under and Middle Earth tends to use it only as a means to an end.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.03.14 14:17:58 by KingRiaan Reply

  • I know a loss often brings knee jerk reactions, but lets be very honest with ourselves about a few things…

    1 – When last did Jannie and Beast produce sterling performances??? When last did they offer anything more than a solid scrum??? Jannie regularly slips tackles and has never been a brilliant ball carrier…The beast has become totally ineffective in his carries. He takes an ‘initial jump’ when he picks and drives which puts him on the back foot; and when he receives the ball he goes to ground as he takes contact – fairly useless!!

    2 – We don’t get the ball to our wings enough – COME ON WE HAVE MVOVO AND JP THERE (devastating runners) – utilise them off the 10 more (think Mvovo try vs Bulls round 1)

    3 – For the love of God Kanko must not think he is a bruiser. He can play hard for sure, but when a 106kg loose tries to bump a 130kg lock – well physics says its not going to end well for the 106kg man!!! Is it that difficult to understand?? He must play his natural game – the onus is on him to do that!!

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.03.14 14:26:23 by pienaar111 Reply

  • If my word counted for anything I would put this on record…

    DO NOT PLAY FRANS STEYN AT 10!!! It will be no better than Michalak – mixing the brilliant with the bizarre.

    And besides better to have a relatively inexperienced 10 than totally inexperienced centre combo..

    Mine would be…

    1. Chadwick
    2. Bissie (with a warning that Cooper comes on after 50min if he doesn’t produce)
    3. Adriaanse
    4. Bresler – btw no one is impressed that a 115kg lock can push a 90kg flyhalf’s head into the turf –
    5. Lewies
    6. Coetzee
    7. Mtembu (my own expansive, pacy, skilful rugby dream over Brawn)
    8. Kanko
    9. Mcleod
    10. ZEILINGA
    11. Mvovo
    12. Steyn
    13. Sithole
    14. JPP – a world top 3/4 winger does not get shifted out of position –
    15. SP

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.03.14 14:34:25 by pienaar111 Reply

  • Ouens Ouens Ouens… we haven’t lost the SR yet! Relax man! Yes there are some things that I myself aren’t cool with, but hey this team has a professional setup and I’m sure it will show…
    I am also pissed off by the seeming lack of front muscle, but then I realize that the bench comes on after the opposition has been given a tough time and mess around with the opposition scrum like we want to. This then means that we either get penalty after penalty at scrum time, giving us either points on the board or field position to do so…

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.03.14 15:01:10 by R Hayward Reply

  • Rob, I agree with bringing in Fred, but not with dropping Sithole to the bench, I think he has proved his worth and it would be even more distruptive to move JP to centre.

    I would also put Swiel on the bench as back up flyhalf and start giving him opportunities to take on that role.

    Agree with williams as your go-to man for back-up centre.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.03.14 15:45:49 by stevovo Reply
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  • I would start Odwa at 15. Fred at 10. Heimar on the bench.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.03.14 15:50:53 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 30) :

    Actually, I really rate this Esterhuizen kid and think maybe for the first game Steyn should be at 10. Fred hasn’t run with the SR Squad for a while. I would give him some time of the bench. A good 20/30 mins.

    So maybe 15 Odwa, 12. Esterhuizen, 10. Steyn – Bench Fred, SP,

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.03.14 15:53:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • This would be my team.

    15. Odwa (SP is too tempremental at times, we need some stability after losing Lambie).
    14. JPP (I don’t really rate him at 13)
    13. Sithole (Can’t see why not)
    12. Esterhuizen (like Steyn at that age)
    11. Mvovo
    10. Steyn (Did a good holding job before, can do it once more)

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.03.14 15:56:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • Keep Sithole at centre, tell the front row they are in trouble of losing their spots and practice running off 10 if running off 9 doesn’t f#$^ing work. Sometimes just that extra channel on catches the defence off guard.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.03.14 16:01:16 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • Jake’s not going to make any radical changes to the side. Its not his style.
    There will be no Esterhuizen at 12 or Odwa at 15.

    He’ll bring in Zeilanga at 10 and with Mcleod at 9 and Steyn at 12, theres plenty of experience there to help the youngster out.

    I don’t even think he’ll change Sbura at 13 considering how well the bloke has been playing there.

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.03.14 16:28:39 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 34) : Somehow I think that you might be right.

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.03.14 16:37:48 by R Hayward Reply

  • @John Galt (Comment 34) : That would be my personal preference too

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.03.14 16:52:29 by Bokhoring Reply
  • If there’s one thing im certain of, its that Jake White will not change his approach.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.03.14 17:07:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 9) : First off, that was 2012. And that is nothing to base JP’s abilities at 13 off of. Remember the 2012 semi-final against the Stormers? He was awesome there. When it comes to Sithole, his discipline lets him down somewhat. He is energetic, which is great, but this means he is constantly being pinged for offside.

    Personally, I would go with this team:
    1. Chadwick
    2. du Plessis (c)
    3. Adriaanse
    4. Bresler
    5. Lewies
    6. Coetzee
    7. Alberts
    8. Kankowski
    9. McLeod
    10. Zeilinga
    11. Mvovo
    12. Steyn
    13. Pietersen
    14. Ndungane (vc)
    15. Marais

    16. Cooper
    17. Beast
    18. du Plessis
    19. Oosthuizen
    20. Deysel/Daniel
    21. Ungerer
    22. Williams
    23. Sithole

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.03.14 17:56:13 by David12246 Reply

  • It does not matter so much as to which guys are in the team as when they are going to start playing as a team and for each other. That is the factor we lack.

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.03.14 19:20:46 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 38) : 2012 went missing somehow, forgot it’s been that long ago.

    Still, JP is a wing, no need for players to be played out of position.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.03.14 20:48:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) : I agree that he is a wing, but at least for now Sithole should be used AT CENTRE, but from the bench.

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.03.14 21:36:43 by David12246 Reply

  • I agree with all above but I think the problem is way worse than who plays and where and as a team ,its a mental problem ,Dumtree’s brainless ethos and approach/tic tacs is so ingrained in the senior players that when under pressure they resort to Dumtree play,big work for Great White and kop doctor to change this,secondly the comatose act where the team goes into a coma for a half against Reds and they manage to do this trick for an entire game against Bullarinas needs urgent fixing by the kop doctor

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.03.14 23:00:08 by benji Reply
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  • What a load of crap……firstly Esterhuizen was on the field for all of 10 min, what difference would Williams had made in those 10 min???

    Jake is spot on introducing the talented Esterhuizen into the S15 mix……same can be said of Swiel. The only issue I have is that Swiel was clearly playing under instruction……for kicking is not his natural game……he is an attacking 10

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.03.14 00:07:41 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 43) : Wonderful diplomacy once again shown by “beer googles” Saffex. 😈

    The world should really send you to broker a peace deal between the US and Russia re: Ukraine….heck, we might as well throw the Snowden issue in for good measure.

    Your people skills and conflict resolution skills are a sure fire way to once and for all eradicate these issues…….atomic war anyone? 😯

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.03.14 06:57:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 44) : I suspect he’s under the impression that he carries credibility. Blissful ignorance and all of that…

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.03.14 08:32:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I think JW is going to go for this option with his fourwards

    1 -beast
    2 -bismark
    3 -jannie
    4 -alberts
    5 -Lewies
    6 -coetzee
    7 -deysel
    8 -kanko

    Being an expert so far reading jakes mind i think this is what he will go for.

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.03.14 08:38:23 by kaapsebra Reply

  • Was thinking of Frans at 10 and Esterhuizen at 12, JP at 13 and Odwa at 14, but our best bet is probably Fred 10 Mvovo 11 Steyn 12 JP 13 Odwa 14 SP 15
    Odwa has experience and is reliable but I wont play him at 15, rather have his experience and reliability on the wing with SP having the speed and attacking ability from the back

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.03.14 08:39:50 by pierre_mackie Reply
  • @David12246 (Comment 38) : Agree with your props.
    What’s the use of having an all bok front row if they can t scrum or take the ball up?

    However I don t think Jake the Great White will make a lot of knee jerk changes. To borrow a quote from fast and furious ” He’s too controlled for that” …

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.03.14 08:43:25 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) : We’ve tried to guide him in the right direction, but those who profess themselves to be wise are become fools.

    @kaapsebra (Comment 46) : fourwards? Should be Eightwards πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.03.14 08:45:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 43) : There is a song I like to sing when Im angry, it goes like this “Who’s that pretty girl in that mirror there…what mirror where?” πŸ˜†

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.03.14 09:00:46 by Talent Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) : and who the F are you?

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.03.14 15:20:17 by Saffex Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 50) : Do you sing it a lot?

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.03.14 15:21:19 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 51) : one of my writers. Show some respect, please.

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.03.14 15:21:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 51) : I’m just a boy, standing in front a girl, asking her to love him

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.03.14 15:42:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 54) : oh very good πŸ™‚

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.03.14 15:46:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Piss off

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.03.14 15:55:35 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 56) : classy

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.03.14 16:13:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : Not as stupid as requesting that I respect this…..’ I suspect he’s under the impression that he carries credibility. Blissful ignorance and all of that…’

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.03.14 16:22:02 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 58) : really? Are you actually a grown up, or not?

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.03.14 16:24:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : are you just stupid?

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.03.14 16:28:12 by Saffex Reply

  • πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    Saffex losing his cool, not that he ever really had any 😎

  • Comment 61, posted at 26.03.14 16:32:01 by Talent Reply
  • “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” Aristotle πŸ˜†

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.03.14 16:34:31 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 62) : i just think it’s kind of sad to be a grown man, yet unable to scroll on past a comment on a web site without flipping your lid and acting like a hormonal teenager.

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.03.14 16:36:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 61) : Over this lot…….I think not…….you lot seem a little misguided

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.03.14 16:38:08 by Saffex Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 61) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.03.14 16:38:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 58) : Saffex, do you seriously think your opinion carries credibility here based on the way you treat the opinion of others? You refuse to reply to comments that prove you wrong, that’s willful ignorance. I know, I know… you don’t care… but don’t get all ruffled up when I call you out on it bud.

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.03.14 16:41:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : Pity, because now and then his opinions are not far off the mark.

    If I see him commenting I usually scroll over or close the site, its become that unbearable.

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 65) : πŸ˜† Good for a laugh now and then.

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.03.14 16:47:20 by Talent Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 66) : Name a case where I have refused to reply…….do you think that by fabricating a load of rubbish, that somehow that carries weight

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.03.14 17:00:39 by Saffex Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 67) : He’s passionately ignorant sometimes….but we always need that one person on here to keep us honest, even if he’s not “always” credible.

    He really sticks to his point and defends it with fervor – this makes for entertaining arguments here on sharksworld. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.03.14 17:02:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Talent (Comment 67) : You need more time on the couch poor chap

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.03.14 17:03:54 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 68) : I refer you to your standard “what rubbish/crap” response with no coherent argument backing it up but you clearly count those as replies so we’re going to reach an impasse on this point I fear.

    You misunderstand in assuming that I think my opinions “carry weight”. I don’t. Only others can lend weight to them and it’s usually based on how well they’re presented and in what manner I respond to those debating them. I also honestly don’t mind if you disapprove of them, that’s certainly your right. Ultimately, I’m just trying to point out to you that accusations aimed at you shouldn’t come as surprise based on current behaviour.

    Or in the words of the New Radicals: “You get what you give”.

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.03.14 17:36:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 71) : So in effect you cant provide an example and just lied for effect?

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.03.14 18:10:09 by Saffex Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 70) : πŸ˜†

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 69) : Sometimes… πŸ˜†

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.03.14 18:10:22 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 73) : My best effort at diplomacy….thankfully saffex will never notice 😈

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.03.14 18:20:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) : Rob should offer an up and down vote option just for us to give him more gears 😈

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.03.14 18:24:23 by Talent Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 75) : He will be like a dog barking at shadows…interrogating everyone to ascertain who dared down vote his informed comments. πŸ˜†

    He is probably the English arrogant incarnation of “Boerseun”. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.03.14 18:32:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Saffex (Comment 72) : A recent example:

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.03.14 18:35:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 76) : Boerseun is rather funny though πŸ˜† Id up vote him just for his rampant use of the exclamation mark!!!!<!<@BO!B [email protected] !!!!

    Saffex is just…officious and not very nice.

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.03.14 19:36:28 by Talent Reply

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