Sharks mix it up for Waratahs

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 27 Mar 2014 at 09:27
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The Sharks coaching staff have opted to make rather widespread changes to the match 23 that will face the Waratahs this weekend, with injury cutting a swathe through the team that narrowly went down at Loftus last week. While the new men brought in are probably not too surprising, it’s a pair of positional switches to the team that will have the tongues wagging most.

In perhaps the biggest shock, Lwazi Mvovo has been selected at fullback, where he replaces SP Marais. Mvovo has never played the position, to my knowledge, making the decision to select him there a strange one indeed. JP Pietersen switches from right wing to left, with Odwa Ndungane returning in his favoured number 14 jersey. Frans Steyn and S’bura Sithole remain in midfield – in fact, they are the only two backs to retain the jerseys they wore at Loftus – as Charl McLeod and Fred Zeilinga take over from the injured Cobus Reinach and Pat Lambie as the halfback pair.

The pack sees only two changes; Anton Bresler has cruelly succumbed to another shoulder injury, meaning a shift from the back row into the lock position for Willem Alberts. Jean Deysel comes back from injury to start at blindside flank.

The bench sees some movement as well. Keegan Daniel finally returns to the matchday squad, replacing Tera Mtembu in the number 20 jersey, while debutant Stefan Ungerer steps into the breach at scrumhalf. Heimar Williams returns after a spell with the Sharks XV and will sit next to Marais on the wood.

Tim Swiel and Andre Esterhuizen join Mtembu in dropping out of the 23.

The Cell C Sharks:

15. Lwazi Mvovo (Ricoh PMB Collegians)
14. Odwa Ndungane (Varsity College RFC)
13. S’bura Sithole (UKZN Impi)
12. Frans Steyn (SA Home Loans Durban Collegians)
11. JP Pietersen (Zululand Rhinos)
10. Fred Zeilinga (SA Home Loans Durban Collegians)
9. Charl McLeod (Varsity College RFC)
8. Ryan Kankowski (Amanzimtoti Rugby Club)
7. Jean Deysel (Marshall Security Crusaders)
6. Marcell Coetzee (SA Home Loans Durban Collegians)
5. Stephan Lewies (Amanzimtoti Rugby Club)
4. Willem Alberts (SA Home Loans Durban Collegians)
3. Jannie du Plessis (Marshall Security Crusaders)
2. Bismarck du Plessis (Captain) (Marshall Security Crusaders)
1. Tendai Mtawarira (Jonsson College Rovers)

16. Kyle Cooper (Jonsson College Rovers)
17. Dale Chadwick (Ricoh PMB Collegians)
18. Lourens Adriaanse (Amanzimtoti Rugby Club)
19. Etienne Oosthuizen (UKZN Impi)
20. Keegan Daniel (Jonsson College Rovers)
21. Stefan Ungerer (Ricoh PMB Collegians)
22. Heimar Williams (SA Home Loans Durban Collegians)
23. SP Marais (Marshall Security Crusaders)


  • Comment reposted from previous thread.

    Don’t forget players can always swap positions on attack and defence. Odwa to defend, Mvovo to attack. The black line to win us the game :D.

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.03.14 09:29:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I think White bamboozled us all there, as I’m sure almost everyone thought that Odwa would’ve been picked at 15.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.03.14 09:30:23 by KingRiaan Reply

  • Lwazi at 15 will either be brilliant or an absolute disaster!

    Any news on how long Bresler will be out for?

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.03.14 09:30:51 by woody Reply
  • Very happy to see Keegan back in the squad πŸ˜€ I hope he gets significant game time as he could make an impact off the bench.

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.03.14 09:31:06 by Greg Reply

  • Both Odwa and JP can play fullback, so my guess is they will support Mvovo on defence. Very perplexed though.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.03.14 09:31:23 by bokbok Reply

  • Interesting…..

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.03.14 09:33:23 by pierre_mackie Reply
  • Nice! Owda shall play 15 even if he wears 14.
    I hope to see a bit of the much lauded Ungerer on Saturday.

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.03.14 09:34:12 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • When you don’t play to your full potential, JW is not shy to give someone else a chance it seems!

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.03.14 09:35:30 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 8) : Exactly as it should be!

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.03.14 09:36:15 by Greg Reply

  • It looks like an interesting team, although not one I would have picked in the beginning of the week. I hope they can pull of an win Saturday, I believe the bench will once again have a lot to offer in the last 20 minutes!

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.03.14 09:36:28 by HeinF Reply

  • I am worried about S’bura Sithole. hes has not really done much in the games he has played, infact his running lines on defence is a huge worry. Hence the Reds and the Bulls made mince meat with our backs.

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.03.14 09:41:14 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • As said previously coaches stand and fall by their selections. The changes are just too many and will disrupt an already unsettled team. Charl and Fred reunited is great – look forward to their performance. My favourite topic locks. This must be a mistake playing a flank at lock and Lewies still trying to find his feet? Keeping Jakes boy Oosthuizen in the team is unbelievable – He is a liability ! What if Lewies is injured (God forbid) we will have no proper 5 lock on the field ? If I was Peet or Hewitt would certainly consider options because Jake / Brad / Paul will never select them ?

    I believe in our team but very nervous for Saturdays Game !

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.03.14 09:42:52 by Observer Reply

  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 11) : I disagree completely. He has been strong and run well in both the games so far. He was one of the better players against the bulls. He will continue to develop into the position.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.03.14 09:44:42 by Seth101 Reply
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  • As everyone I am surprised with Mvovo at 15. Good to see Fred at 10 and Odwa back. I haven’t seen Ungerer play and have only heard good things of him here on SW so I’m quite keen to see him play a few mins.
    I would have given Dale Chadwick a start too πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.03.14 09:45:12 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

  • Just trying to get behind JW’s logic. The Tahs dont kick that much and with no Folau will probably kick less on attack and run it more. Their fb is very quick hence the selection of Mvovo. Its also clear that Mvovo has been work on his kicking and catching of the high ball so perhaps was groomed for this with the view to giving it a try in a match and JW must think why not now seeing as though he making a lot of changes anyway. Alberts has said he doesnt like lock but im afraid he is getting slower so his future may be there or on the bench im afraid. The bench offers a lot of variety. Zeilinga takes the ball to the line at pace so will be interestign to see if he can release Steyn and Sithole. One thing is for sure- the Tahs wont be able to read too much into how the Sharks will play this game with that team selection

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.03.14 09:47:49 by SheldonK Reply

  • Do you guy’s think that Steyn will have the kicking duties or will Fred be the one?

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.03.14 09:49:43 by R Hayward Reply

  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 14) : I want to at least see a complete front-row subbing no later than minute 50.

    I think that might be the reason for Deysel’s start, to have him take over the captaincy when Bismarck goes off early.

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.03.14 09:51:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Nice, I like. I like a lot actually. Agree, Mvovo will be one of the the extremes. I for hope he’ll be brilliant. It could work as the Tahs don’t have the best kicking game.

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.03.14 09:53:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • I suspect we’ll see a lot less kicking from the back in this game.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.03.14 09:53:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 17) : I wouldnt mind seeing that. But with Deysel just coming back from injury can he last 80min? And with Lambie now gone, does Keegan take over a vice captain spot? Personally id make Frans Steyn a Vice captain

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.03.14 09:56:04 by SheldonK Reply

  • I’m dreading Saturday’s game. Got a feeling we’re going to get hammered.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.03.14 09:56:19 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Observer (Comment 12) : Kankowski would probably call the lineout should Lewies go off. A capable enough replacement.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.03.14 09:57:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • C’mon coach give Chadwick a start, geez.

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.03.14 09:59:14 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 17) : Yes I agree with that, they need more game time and we need that fresh legs. I felt that in the last game or so our front row looked tired as hell by 60 odd mins. Yeah Jean will probably be capt if Bissie goes off.
    Will be nice to see Keegan get a run too.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.03.14 10:00:04 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : Personally, I prefer Deysel’s captaincy style, much more composed and seems to be able to keep his emotions in check – but coming back from injury you might have a point re: 80mins.

    Steyn definitely loves this team, and would do well as a vice captain (read staff sergeant).

    Bismarck will hopefully grow into his captaincy role, but thus far I have not been overly impressed…but Keegan at first also did not impress as captain.

    Sadly patience is something us long suffering Sharks have very little of….and with good reason.

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.03.14 10:01:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : Kankowski is lucky to be starting after last week. He owes us some decent runs.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.03.14 10:02:00 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 23) : Who’d have thought that anyone would be calling for Chadwick to start the season? Some egg on the majority of SW faces there (myself included) πŸ™‚

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.03.14 10:02:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 26) : True

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.03.14 10:03:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Now that is a big and physical pack! Jeez.
    Good side considering injuries with the only real surprise obviously being Mvovo at the back.
    Would have thought Odwa is better suited to 15 but I think during the game you might see them interchange a bit on attack and defence.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.03.14 10:04:15 by John Galt Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : Agreed but you will have two relatively short 4 locks on the field . What about lineouts. The other thing that concerns me this season we seldomly contest lineouts ?

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.03.14 10:04:21 by Observer Reply

  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 23) : 10 changes this week so not much scope to change the front row on top of that! Chadwick is playing a good role off the bench and will get his chance sooner or later πŸ˜€

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.03.14 10:04:54 by Greg Reply

  • @R Hayward (Comment 16) : I’m pretty sure Fred will be given the tee.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.03.14 10:06:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 21) : Im nervous about this game too – hope the guys can pull this one through – think it will be a tight game.
    Historically the games between us and the Tahs over the last +-7yrs have been quite close except one or two games that had a 15pt margin (according to Superbru).

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.03.14 10:07:59 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

  • Saffex are you out there? What is your take on this team?

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.03.14 10:08:48 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 25) : Yeh fair point regarding Deysel as captain. I think Bismarck is still trying to figure out what kind of captain he wants to be. Does he want to be a calm and collected guy like John Smit or JDV or does he want to a all hands on deck and lead from the front much like a Brian O’Driscoll/Martin Johnson leader. To be honest i think he is more of the latter, so is Steyn. Deysel is more of the first type, same as Lambie.

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.03.14 10:10:40 by SheldonK Reply

  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 26) : The team owes him space. How we expect him to perform in our crap one-dimensional game plan is beyond me.

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.03.14 10:10:43 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Observer (Comment 30) : Valid concerns, we’ll just have to be creative should that scenario arise. I remember Keegan Daniel being used to great affect in some or other CC game (if memory serves) where the props lifted his light frame ridiculously high into the air. It worked well that day.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.03.14 10:12:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : That was my exact thinking as well. I’m getting the feeling JW wants pace at the back, and in result I believe we will see much less kicking. Of course, they could switch easily as the game goes on and keep the tahs on their toes. This may be a stroke of genius (which I really hope it is!).

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.03.14 10:13:50 by Sharkszen Reply

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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 23) : Yeah I would have be happy to see Dale given a start. Would be just reward for that performance last week.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.03.14 10:16:17 by gregkaos Reply
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  • JW is no tactical slouch, this team selection could well be his way of shepherding the Tahs into playing a kicking game. They see Mvovo at the back there, not much experience at FB and the automatically think he’s a weakness or at least an unknown quantity so they start kicking but all of a sudden JP or Odwa are back there with him and suddenly the Sharks don’t just kick it back but counter attack.

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.03.14 10:19:05 by Jacques Venter Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 27) : I heard Jannie (or someone like that on Sharkbite – I think) saying something about Pieter de Villiers being there as scrum coach (probably consultant), so I suppose that made the difference with Chadwick.

    Sadly in SA, we don’t believe in coaching players….they are either born with all the necessary skill sets, or discarded.

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.03.14 10:20:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : 100% correct

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.03.14 10:23:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : Sad but true. There are a few players that seemed to have blossomed under Jake though: Chadwick, Coetzee, Steyn, Reinach, Sithole, Mvovo and Lambie’s kicking has much improved which points to a boosted confidence. Hope these are the signs of a coach that takes an interest in player development.

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.03.14 10:26:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Bruising forward pack that, and the backline looks pretty badass too. Jut hope the defence is organised regarding who’ll cover 15. Mvovo joining the line on attack should be terrifying to witness!

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.03.14 10:29:40 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : Odwa is also a vice captain, so he may take over if Bismarck & Deysel go off.

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.03.14 10:39:53 by markm Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 43) : JW takes a very deep interest in the overall well being of his players.

    Saw on sharkbite that the Sharks have programs in place geared towards the player’s future after rugby…they had Chavanga on, taking him to different work environments to gear him for a productive life after rugby.

    So fans and opposition fans might not be too fond of JW, but he cares about his players, and in turn they will stand by their coach – that breeds a good team culture, something the Sharks really need for on-field success.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.03.14 10:46:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Jacques Venter (Comment 40) : keep it quiet don’t tell the Tahs!!!!! Think Odwa or JP will cover 15 on defence, Mvovo at 15 on attack.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.03.14 10:48:52 by JD Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 29) : The number on their backs is a smokescreen for opponents. Watch the switching between JPP, Odwa & Mvovo during the game. JPP & S’bura might also do some gymnastics during the game. One puzzling thing is that Peet isn’t rated as a specialist 5 by JW or else he would have been groomed for it. This Oosthuizen reminds me of Potgieter (who we are playing against & he has switched to lock) in his ways. JW is famous for starting subs ahead of starting line-up, so watch & see if Heimar starts ahead of S’bura.Was also hoping Dale would have started ahead of Jannie (where is his head these days – certainly not in the same game as the others are playing πŸ˜€ )

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.03.14 10:49:17 by markm Reply

  • @markm (Comment 48) : A few people have commented that Jake does not consider Heimar a 13 and I doubt that Chadwick would ever start ahead of Jannie. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.03.14 10:54:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I see the guys are really missing KSA but he just wont take the bait. C’mon KSA,…just a nibble. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.03.14 10:55:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 43) : There are also a few players that have not performed too their normal standard Bismark, Jannie, Beast ?

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.03.14 10:59:52 by Observer Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 49) : Then Heimar won’t get much game time with big Frans there :mrgreen: Can’t JW see what we @ SW see? ❓ πŸ™„ Why does he not consult the most knowledgeable & ardent couch-coaches of all? 😈

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.03.14 11:05:01 by markm Reply

  • Also surprised at Mvovo, but like the look of the rest of the team.

    Will be so good to see Keegan get a chance off the bench this week.

    With Folau out, odds are better for us for the counter attacks, lets just hope we see much less kicking than last week.

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.03.14 11:11:29 by stevovo Reply
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  • @Observer (Comment 51) : Late bloomers hopefully :mrgreen:.

    @markm (Comment 52) : Heimar’s value to Jake is probably in his versatility. Though he’s considered a 12, he can cover outside centre and wing too but I doubt he’d ever be used ahead of a specialist 13.

    I suspect he doesn’t consult with us because he’s intimidated by our vast rugby knowledge. It has to be that, can’t imagine any other reason :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.03.14 11:12:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Jacques Venter (Comment 40) : I used to think that as well . . . untill last saturday . . . πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.03.14 11:55:04 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 55) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.03.14 12:08:18 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : I believe Kanko is already calling the line-outs.

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.03.14 12:17:53 by David12246 Reply

  • First reaction? Oh my hat!!! Lwazi at fullback?!? Check the team sheet again…he really is! Hmm…!! But if it is a tactical thing with a fair bit of smoke screen it may just be a genius move!! I do trust Jake White…

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.03.14 12:31:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 58) : Jake revealed at today’s press conference that he does not consider Odwa a fullback.

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.03.14 12:55:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Kinda looking forward to seeing Mvovo at FB. If Jake sees something there for Mvovo, then I trust it.

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.03.14 13:10:57 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : And I assume he didn’t elaborate on the why part πŸ˜€

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.03.14 13:14:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Mvovo is a strange call but if you think about it the Tahs dont pose the greatest kicking threat. AAC moves to 13 and no Folau means their immediate threat will be at 12/13 imo.

    Im sure that back 3 is competent enough to take care of each other and JP is the kind of guy who if told to back up a player, would do so generously.

    Perhaps we may see Zeilinga and Steyn fall back together rather than Mvovo and co? Maybe their selection is to amplify the rush defense in the centers and put pressure on the limited kicking capacity of the Waratahs.

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.03.14 13:24:17 by Talent Reply
  • Defensively that back line can put a lot of pressure on another back line because they can close down space so quickly.

    I’ve become a fan of Sithole, he really is a hard grafter. He may be rough around the edges but the guy has heart in bucket loads.

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.03.14 13:32:40 by Talent Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 59) :
    Interesting and surprising.

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.03.14 13:34:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 62) : @Talent (Comment 62) : Remember the one thing about Aussie teams – they are guaranteed to try the unexpected. Beale, AAC, Foley and Phips can kick reasonably well.

    Although the Tahs of 2014 does seem to prefer to play running rugby.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.03.14 13:39:20 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 65) : True I forgot about Beale, although I wouldnt consider him the best kicker. The others are perhaps more ordinary, with only Foley posing much threat.

    Perhaps Im trying to justify, in my Shark brain, what I consider a fairly poor selection. Lets wait and see shall we…

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.03.14 13:43:22 by Talent Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 65) : Let’s hope JW has somehow identified a defensive flaw with the Tahs, which makes a run from fb more prudent than kicking the ball away. πŸ˜€

    Mvovo has been beyond reproach under the high ball though.

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.03.14 13:44:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • BTW how is our 16th man Mr Humidity nowadays?

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.03.14 13:49:36 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 68) : Like a temperamental woman in menopause….hot, average, very hot, sweltering, cool, sweltering, cool, cool, very hot etc. 😈

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.03.14 13:57:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 68) : I think it’s still high. Somewhere between 60% – 70% predicted for Saturday if I recall correctly.

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.03.14 13:58:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Read an article where JW says that he would prefer Steyn at fh, and once Jordaan is available, he will consider moving Steyn to fh and Jordaan to 12 😯

    Please Fred-Z, don’t give JW reason to pull an even bigger switch-a-roo…it would be a travesty. πŸ™

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.03.14 20:06:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) : I don’t even want to run those quotes here, cos they make me so cross.

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.03.14 20:58:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : Agree. Think Fred is the real deal and Jake mustn’t screw him around. Frans must stay at 12 and Fred must continue at 10. Different note, watching the Sharks Bulls game U recorded

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.03.14 21:57:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : Agree. Think Fred is the real deal and Jake mustn’t screw him around. Frans must stay at 12 and Fred must continue at 10. Different note, watching the Sharks Bulls game I recorded, half time, the boys just didn’t pitch. Don’t think they were pumped for the game, could be because of the change in routine, the Friday fan visit at Cell C surely distracted them. Please, no more such distractions before a game, let’s keep our arrogance in check.

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.03.14 22:06:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • I say start Oosthuizen at lock. Otherwise why is he there. We are struggling at line out time anyway. At the back I like what’s going on, but I think Esterhuizen will be ahead of Heimar by the end of the year.

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.03.14 23:11:41 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • What’s with Swiel then? If Zeilenga was his next in line, he should have been on the bench last week. It’s poor tactics to put players on the bench whom one don’t trust on the field.

  • Comment 76, posted at 28.03.14 00:41:20 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : Yeah, it must be pretty brutal to Fred-Z to hear that his coach has no faith in him.

    Poor fella, really struggling to find a coach willing to believe in his talents. Even at baby bok level he was overlooked (discarded) for 1D Pollard.

    I can not see Jordaan at 12….that will be midfield suicide.

    Let’s hope that this is some sort of mind game JW is playing Fred-Z, to get him to perform at his peak. Maybe he’s one of those players who needs to be told he’s not good enough, in order for him to bring his A+ game. (clutching at straws here)

    The JW honeymoon is truly over. 😐

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.03.14 07:10:06 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 77) :

    Jordaan is actually a natural 10, or that’s where he usually played. He was shifted to the wings and outside center because of his speed, but this possible switch Jake is talking about, could just be brilliant.

    Zeilinga will get his shot this weekend and I am sure of he impresses Jake will keep his other plans on hold. And even if he doesn’t, if the whole Jordaan to 12 thing doesn’t work Fred will be on the bench to take back his spot.

    Super Rugby is a big step up, just for Jake to trust him to start this week already shows that he does believe in him, but Steyn is more experience and Jordaan has also been around the block, so maybe that is part of his thinking… you always need one more plan.

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.03.14 08:00:57 by Letgo Reply
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  • Keegan is departing for Japan after SupeRugby

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) : @robdylan (Comment 72) : I havent seen that but if its been correctly reported then its damn disturbing.

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.03.14 08:58:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 78) : Forgot about that, was he any good at 10?

    My concern with him at 12 is his defense, coupled with Sithole still finding his feet at 13.

    Moving Jordaan to 12 will be more a stop gap move, rather than grooming a player for possible Springbok inclusion. I’d prefer Jordaan to focus on 13, Steyn to focus on 12, and get our fh’s to play fh.

    In General (and this is just a general peeve of mine), I hate the playing of players out of position (Naka has proven why it doesn’t work)), it hurts not only that player, but also the player second in line for any position.

    A coach has to have confidence in his structures. The Alberts move is already a move in the wrong direction, as Alberts will never be a lock.

    Game experience (as in number of caps) can and should never trump positional experience. Use the player with the most experience in a position, in that position – unless you look at blooding someone new, or permanently converting someone.

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.03.14 09:43:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 81) : I agree with most of your points except the Albert lock thing. Unfortunately he is getting slower and modern loosies are getting quicker. He still adds a lot of value but i do think his future is either at lock or he needs to work on his speed to play flank. Jordaan played 10 for the Vodacom and u21 side at one stage, very attacking flyhalf but not the most refined kicking game altho not horrid.

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.03.14 09:53:10 by SheldonK Reply

  • @fyndraai (Comment 76) : I agree to an extent, but Jake has a different philosophy. His view on Fred is that he won’t bench him because he doesn’t seem him adding anything as an impact sub. He either starts, or doesn’t play.

    I wrote an article about how I thought Jake wasn’t at all prepared for the eventuality of losing a key player early in a game.

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.03.14 10:07:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 78) : no, Paul Jordaan is a rubbish 10, but I don’t think that’s what Jake means.

    He means playing Frans at 10 and Paul at 12…. again, no clue why you’d want to add yet another 12 to the mix when you already have Heimar and Andre vying for the position.

    I don’t think Jake really gives away too much of his actual thinking at these pressers…. just likes to talk.

  • Comment 84, posted at 28.03.14 10:08:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 84) : Clyde did say that Jake is a highly strung individual. We should then give him the space to make statements and not be shocked when he changes his mind. We should this positively as I have always believed that only a fool does not change his mind.

  • Comment 85, posted at 28.03.14 10:27:47 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 7) : i absolutely agree. I think Odwa reads the game bloody well from 15. I mean, last year he was superb in every game that he played @ 15

  • Comment 86, posted at 28.03.14 16:40:39 by Eli Reply

  • bit off topic, but with all these injuries going on, is it just me or are we going to see people play their 3rd world cups – 15. *F Steyn, *JP Pietersen, * J Fourie, *De Villliers, *Habana, *Morne, *Fdp, *Schalk, Willem, flo,*Bakkies, *Victor, *Jannie, *Bissie and Beast. Thats a possible squad, guess i’m jus gutted by the injuries.

  • Comment 87, posted at 28.03.14 16:45:33 by Eli Reply

  • Agree with the first comment about Lwazi. He’ll either do a fantastic job or fail completely. Fullbacks need mobility and everyone knows he can run just about everyone off the field. I suspect he’ll be a great attacking fullback but will need lots of support on defence (which as a fullback isn’t ideal!)

    Now onto the locks. I’m no expert but I feel like JW has always faced injury problems in that position? Looking purely at the stats I wonder if they would show that historically JW’s game strategy places additional pressure on the second row? Would be an interesting data point to investigate….

  • Comment 88, posted at 28.03.14 19:48:01 by macshark Reply


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