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Clean bill of health for Sharks


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 12 May 2014 at 12:16
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One overwhelming positive to come out of Saturday’s defeat in Canberra for the Cell C Sharks is confirmation that no further injuries were sustained. Jake White has told the Sharks website that all 27 members of the tour party are fit for selection ahead of Saturday’s match against the Crusaders.

Going back to the start of the season, the Sharks’ good run of form coincided with a rare string of games featuring a mostly unchanged match 23. Ever since Round 4’s late withdrawal of Pat Lambie due to sickness, the Sharks have suffered fresh disruptions virtually each week. While Lambie’s first absence was only for a week, Pieter-Steph du Toit and Paul Jordaan were lost immediately therafter. Lambie’s return lasted a scant two weeks before he was again out (for good, this time) along with Cobus Reinach and Anton Bresler.

In fact, it was for the Lions game (after the second bye) that the Sharks last managed to field an unchanged starting team, with the side that trounced the Waratahs going on to record a first away win in Johannesburg. Further injuries in that game saw Fred Zeilinga and Odwa Ndungane ruled out, with JP Pietersen, Bismarck du Plessis, Jean Deysel, S’bura Sithole and Marcell Coetzee all following in the weeks to come.

Let’s hope that Jake White takes the opportunity to build a little continuity for the remainder of the tour and hope that there are no further casualties to report after what is sure to be a bruising encounter in Christchurch.


46 Comments

  • Very relieved to hear Lewies is okay!

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.05.14 12:17:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Some good news to come out this weekends game, however I get the feeling they should let the fringe players play this game and target the Blues game

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.05.14 12:20:44 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Yip, I think injuries have been a huge disruption, one we have been able to overcome reasonably in our results.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.05.14 12:22:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : ek stem. Ek dink in elkgeval nie ons het n realistiese kans nie. Hope and hope and hope that Im wrong

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.05.14 12:39:14 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 3) : I agree. This weekend was when it really sunk in for me on how much losing Pat and PSTD hurt. Marcell’s injury has been a massive blow too.

    Now I know JW’s options are limited due to injuries but seeing Frans and Willem out of their favoured positions is damaging my calm.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.05.14 12:53:00 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I disagree about keeping the team the same for the Crusaders. It is time to rest players like Alberts and Steyn. Likewise the reserve front row needs to start. I would rather save the players for the Blues and Stormers games.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.05.14 12:54:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : yes. let the highlanders or the Canes beat the Crusaders. We must focus on winning every game after this and still finish top. I just can not see a result happening on Saturday, no matter how hard I try.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.05.14 13:03:22 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : plus we are such overwhelming underdogs anyways, wholesale changes cant really leave us worse off

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.05.14 13:04:21 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : Log leaders to lie down and let the Saders walk away with easy points? Never.

    If that is the mentality of Coach/Players/Leaders then we absolutely will not win this competition. That thinking just says to me “It’s too hard to beat the Saders at home so lets just give up”

    Beat the Saders in Christchurch and we certainly will not have any further problems with belief and confidence in the side. The last time (and only time) a SA side won there was in 1996 by N Transvaal.

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.05.14 13:12:08 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 9) : At the same time we would be playing our key players into the ground. Would you go all out with your best players against the high riding Crusaders (and most likely still lose) and then be out on your feet in the winnable Blues / Stormers games?

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.05.14 13:21:19 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 9) : I love your attitude, but we have too many crucial injuries Im afraid. But still, stranger things have happened….

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.05.14 13:35:22 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • While I don’t like the idea of wholesale changes I don’t think we’d lose too much (and may even gain) by swapping our certain players:
    – Adriaandse for Jannie du Plessis
    – Oosthuizen for Willem Alberts
    – Keegan/Hoff at 8
    – Botes/Keegan to 6
    – Swiel for Frans Steyn
    – Give either Cooper, Chadwick or Marais a second half (or more than one of them)

    Yes, we’d lose Frans Steyn’s long range boot but that may force a little more enterprising play once we’re outside our own 22.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.05.14 13:41:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The best way to silence the negativity is to beat the Saders in Christchurch.
    It can be done,they lost Ramano last week,together with Reid that is most of their line out options gone.Richie looked as undercooked as Scalla,
    If the Sharks had a bad game on Saturday then the Reds had an abysmal one,they might just have made the Saders look a lot beter than they are.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.05.14 13:42:20 by The hound Reply
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  • Like the sword of Damocles!! Danmed if they do and damned if they don’t!I don’t believe they would opt for a soft option and cut their losses, isn’t in Jake Whites or the Sharks nature.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.05.14 13:52:28 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 10) : Yes I would put the team that I believe to have the best possible chance of winning. Rotation can be used in the Blues and Stormers games.

    What type of message would you be sending your players if you put in a bunch of fringe players to go out and get thrashed by the Saders? That we are scared of playing in the toughest venue? Jake talked about one of the most important things is believing you will win the SR. Well a win in Christchurch will do that more than any inspirational words could.

    I have no doubt that Jake, Bismarck and co see it as the best opportunity to show the rest why we are log leaders, put our stamp of authority on this competition and show that we are the team to fear.

    “If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.”

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.05.14 13:53:32 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I hope Jake has learnt from his good friend Toekie how not to play his key players into the ground. My concern is that some like Steyn and Alberts (I think) have played non-stop since the start of the year.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.05.14 13:56:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 11) : All teams in this SR have injuries in key positions. Saders are no exception.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.05.14 14:00:33 by gregkaos Reply
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  • After Steyn missed the first 2 ther should have been doubt as to whether the penalty kick would always be the best option. From what I saw we were dominating the lineout and we should have tried to play the maul a bit more. Lastly why the heck did Bismarck throw the ball at the end of the lineout? Isn’t a 5 metres out from the line with 2 minutes to go incentive enough to play it safe and have your middle or front jumpers secure the ball?

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.05.14 14:00:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 15) : fking well said man. You have turned me. Now bring us the Crusaders!

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.05.14 14:16:58 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 15) : You are definitely one of those “glass half full” guys.

    I don’t think anyone is advocating flying over the Vodacom cup squad to play the Crusaders, but rather to bench / rest players like Steyn and Alberts. To win a super trophy you need a squad where everyone can contribute. You cannot just rely on your key players all the time.

    I also don’t think the backup players will necessarily do a worse job than the current starting team.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.05.14 14:52:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 20) :
    Yip, agree.

    Changes and a lot of them……give the guys a rest.

    Daniels, Deysel, Hoff, Reinach, Jordaan, JP, Lewies, Sithole stay. The rest to be rested.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.05.14 14:58:51 by Lieplapper Reply

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  • Has any other team implemented any sort of rotation? Any other team? Chiefs, Crusaders, Waratahs, Brumbies?

    I don’t think so. If you don’t enforce a rule, no one will go out with a team any less then their best. This comp is to competitive to ever think you can rest players.

    For the players welfare though, I would like to see a competition rule implemented. No players is allowed to play more than x-amount of regular season super rugby games.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.05.14 15:09:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • There’s this perception that Kiwi players are taken care of, but only Dan Carter and Richie McCaw were given time of, the rest of them has to play of they are injury free.

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.05.14 15:12:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 23) : I am under the impression the Chiefs benched a few starters for the Lions game.

    To be clear I am not talking about full on rotation, but judicious benching of players that have been playing non-stop.

    I quite liked what Venter did in the league games of Currie Cup last year. It seems Jake has a much different strategy though.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.05.14 15:27:09 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 24) :

    Jake rotated, Willem and Deysel until Deysel got injured and then PSDT and Anton Bresler. He obviously didn’t feel like he had the luxury to do that after losing that many players to injury.

    I feel like he could have done the same with the front row. We have quality on the bench, but it could be that the players are fresh enough, because they are now given 20/30 minutes rest each game. They don’t look tired (not more so than any other game and they have stayed injury free). Just saying we don’t know how Jake asses the situation.

    Most teams don’t rest their captain and most coaches don’t rest Bismarck 🙂

    Our backline has rested enough by getting untimely injuries. Only Mvovo and Steyn could use a rest, but we can hardly select a team without Steyn in that backline.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.05.14 15:45:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) :

    Having said all of that I’ve always been for rotating players, not just because you rest players and maybe could avoid an injury to a key player (it won’t always help), but also because you build a stronger squad and when players inevitably then do get injured others are ready to step in.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.05.14 15:47:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 26) :

    I’m just wondering, if it’s that simple, why aren’t more teams doing it?

    Resting a player for only 1 week may just be doing him more harm than good. I don’t know. There could be an argument that a player that comes back after a weeks rest might be more exposed to getting injured. Or players’ feedback might be that only one week does no good for their bodies and that anything less than say 3 weeks, just worsens the situation?

    I’m just thinking about when I go to gym regularly and stops for some reason, that first day back is always much tougher than any other day.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.05.14 15:50:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : Yup. Chiefs have been sticking to their rotation policy.

    Chiefs also have the 2nd most players on the injury list. What this does show is that their players can slot into and out of the team with minimal disruption, regardless of whether it was enforced or rotational.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.05.14 15:54:25 by gregkaos Reply
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  • As much as I hate to say this, but I reckon Swiel needs another crack at the week-end, Steyn as fh is just not working

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.05.14 16:13:37 by stevovo Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 29) : it would be a massive call by JW to play Swiel against the Saders

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.05.14 16:51:59 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 29) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 30) : Swiel needs to start. If Steyn is off target like last week then there is no other option to kick at goal. Still think Swiel needs time to settle and could be good once he does settle.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.05.14 17:07:37 by JD Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 9) : agree Sharks needs to play to win, no point in playing youngsters just to lose as this could break them.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.05.14 17:11:52 by JD Reply
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  • Don’t think we will see any changes.Not in the team and neither in the plan!All we can hope for is that Steyn has his kicking socks on, and we by some miracle beat those blaardy Saders!

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.05.14 17:28:12 by tigershark Reply

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  • BTW Jake has done the rotational thing before. He sent a below strength Bok team to NZ and Oz in 2007 while keeping his main players in SA. The young Bok team actually gave Australia a fright by storming to a 17-0 lead, although they lost 25-17 in the end.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.05.14 17:45:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : Chiefs started a big rotation policy, similar to the one we had in currie cup last year, in 2012 when dave rennie first took over. They never have the exact same starting XV two weeks in a row, whether there are injuries or not. And just look how well it has worked for them since 2012!

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.05.14 18:38:41 by woody Reply
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  • Not surprising seeing as no one actually played any rugby 🙄

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.05.14 19:50:41 by lostfish Reply
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  • With all due respect, I think this is an absolutely ridiculous suggestion to surrender the game before even playing it. I can’t believe that I am hearing this from so called loyal Sharks supporters. A true Sharks supporter lives by 3 rules:
    1. We are the most optimistic people around – believing that we can beat the world (without arrogance), irrespective of the odds against us. We believe in the power of Black and White!!!
    2. We respect the game, the players, the officials, the supporters and the stadium. The game, as that is what is in our hearts. The players as we don’t boo any players (even if it’s their kickers). The officials (even if we perceive them to be bias) as sometimes it’s in our favour. The supporters (even if it’s theirs) because we are supporters too. The stadium, because they bring the game to us.
    3. We support our team irrespective if they lose. We believe in the power of Black and White!!!

    Losing this game, might result in crusaders taking the top spot of the log, something they will not surrender as they don’t have the attitude to “surrender the game before even playing it”. And I can assure you; our path to glory (Super 15 champions) will become extremely challenging if we have to go back to NZ to play them in a Semi-final or final. If you wish to “surrender the game before even playing it”, why don’t you just surrender the “top spot” on the South African log – I am sure the Bulls will gladly take it.

    There are still games left in in which you can rest players, when some of our other stars such as Lambie returns.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.05.14 22:49:28 by BluffShark Reply

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  • On the above mentioned note, I am sure you have seen the advert where PSTD states “we believe in the power of positive thinking” and a few other players make similar comments with Lambie ending it with “we believe in the power of black and white” … where your faith?

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.05.14 22:56:19 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 37) : hmm on that note I’m sold, your right. We cannot go into this week with the mentality we’re gonna lose anyway so let’s send less then our best to play. Isn’t it Jake the snake who said we’re aiming to win all our games on tour? Crusaders aren’t invincible, they just haven’t played the best yet and this week they’ll meet their allie. We are the SHARKS!! We will not surrender the top spot to anyone. Jake said we determine our own destiny since we the log leaders, so let’s act like we own christchurch and crush those damn arrogant saders and silence their supporters once and for all. I Believe in the power of Black and White, nothing else matters baby.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.05.14 07:01:45 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 37) : I think you’ve misread some of the comments in this thread. Quite a few of us were suggesting tactical substitutions (not wholesale change) in order to give the Sharks a better chance against the Crusaders, not to throw the game. We don’t lose anything by starting certain bench players ahead of the very tired (and underperforming) counterparts.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.05.14 08:07:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @woody (Comment 35) : I am a big fan of Venter’s rotational policy during league games. Obviously once you hit the playoff games you then need to play the first choice team.

    The main advantages of judicious rotation (not wholesale changes) is that backup players gain good experience in a good structure, but also that your first choice players don’t feel that they are indispensable. Additionally from a mental point I believe even a spot on the bench can help a player that is under pressure just to get a break from feeling responsible for a team’s poor performance.

    Should you lose a key player due to injury, your whole team is not disrupted.

    Jake did seem to have rotational plans for some players like Alberts and Deysel, and Kanko and Keegan. He has also subbed his props regularly. However injuries to PSDT and Marcel has now forced his hand – so it seems those plans have now gone out the door. Likewise injuries to Pat and Fred probably ruled out any rotation for Frans.

    Frans is starting to worry me a bit. He is the type of person that takes losses very personally in that he would blame himself heavily for losing games due to him missing some penalties. I base that assumption on his reaction after the Bulls game. He had some really good games at the start of the season (even at 10), but lately IMO he has been slowly deteriorating game by game since then. From a mental point I would rather see him at least benched sooner than later – just to relieve some of that responsibility.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.05.14 08:08:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 41) : Great comment!

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.05.14 08:51:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 41) : Spot on!

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.05.14 09:14:55 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I remember us going to play an away semi a little while ago against the Reds with a seriously inferior team to what we have here.
    I remember the doom and gloom from the self same manic depressives that are currentl ywriting off our whole season on three bad games.Sharks have always had the ability to beat the odds.We are hardly a bad team,we just need a few things to jell that are not.
    Everybody conveinitly ignore the fact that Steyn has probably never played with Reinarch before.
    I personally think they are a bad combination,two players who are prone to highly individualistic play.
    When Mc Cloud came on Steyn looked much more settled.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.05.14 10:37:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 44) : you are my hero! Best character ever

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.05.14 12:44:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 44) : You are the first person to actually notice this.Charl works better with Steyn than Reinach.Thats why I said last week they should just keep Charl at 9.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.05.14 13:22:57 by tigershark Reply

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