Changes to Bok pack for Salta

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 20 Aug 2014 at 18:09
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Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has made three changes to his starting fifteen for Saturday’s Rugby Championship return test against Argentina in Salta, with all of those coming in the forward pack.

Beast Mtawarira, who was plucked straight from injury to start at Loftus last week, never really looked comfortable and is benched in favour of Gurthro Steenkamp this week. Mtawarira drops to the bench, with Trevor Nyakane making way and moving out of the 23 altogether.

The other changes are at lock, where Eben Etzebeth starts in a straight swap with Bakkies Botha (benched) and blindside flank, where Juan smith replaces Marcell Coetzee.

In bench changes, Coetzee displaces Ouypa Mohoje from the 23, while Lwazi Mvovo comes into the number 23 jersey to cover the three quarters, ahead of Jan Serfontein.

Springboks: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Damian de Allende, 12 Jean de Villiers (capt), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Juan Smith, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Gurthro Steenkamp
Subs: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Beast Mtawarira, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Bakkies Botha, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Francois Hougaard, 22 Morne Steyn, 23 Lwazi Mvovo


  • Boks will win fairly easily because of the hot, dry weather and HM will end up praising Pollard and we’ll be forced to watch him lose a big game for us in the near future 🙁

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.08.14 18:32:36 by SeanyJMc Reply
  • There are no worse Springbok supporters than you chumps on this site and Sharks supporters in general, you bring shame to a proud union, you’re all a joke, Banana republic before the Bokke, I hope I never see a Bok victory celebrated on this fan boy site because it’ll be a hollow celebration indeed.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.08.14 18:39:54 by Clanerk Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 2) : Not all of us.

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.08.14 18:45:51 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 1) : Let me guess, you want pop gun boot Lambie to starts, nothing against him but he’s no Pollard…

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.08.14 18:46:02 by Clanerk Reply
  • I won’t sapport sprngboks until meyer plays Lambie at 10

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.08.14 18:47:30 by siphenkosi Reply
  • @gregkaos (Comment 3) : Most of the bloggers on this site, it’s a shock to the system, to me provincialism was a myth growing up but some of the kak on this site unbelievable…

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.08.14 18:54:12 by Clanerk Reply
  • I am a springbok supporter but really it baffles me that we can run the ball vs teams like Argentina,Samoa, Scotland but suddenly when we play the All Blacks we kick or bash it up with the forwards everytime-i long for the day when the boks can play exciting running rugby like the All Blacks

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.08.14 18:57:22 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 7) :

    You missed the games against the Aussies last year and the test against the All Blacks at Ellis Park? (The one at Eden Park doesn’t count thanks to the Frenchie ref).

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.08.14 19:00:45 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 8) : I’m talking overall under the meyer, p divy, Jake white reign-the team has always played the same-hopefully Meyer stays true to his word and plays some exciting running rugby

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.08.14 19:04:57 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 9) :

    You know we scored more tries per test on average, and kicked less than the AB’s in 2013?

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.08.14 19:07:34 by Morné Reply
  • The thing with me is I support the Boks and then Sharks. Feel extreme pride when one of our boys gets called up to the squad. I really like what Meyer is doing with the Boks and the direction he is heading in.

    Bear in mind I would certainly prefer Lambie to be starting, but I think its extremely unfair to not support the Boks because Meyers selection doesn’t match my favourites, which is based on biased and limited knowledge. There are 23 south africans in that team who are giving it their absolute all to be there.

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.08.14 19:10:03 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Last week I said the amazing Pollard would fail and guess what he did. If he can not control a game in SA, he is not going to do it in Argentina. Meyer’s stubborness will back fire on him. Happy Smith is back but he is not better than Coetzee, Coetzee should have started. Glad Beast is getting a rest, but Jannie needs a rest. He is close to breaking down. De Allende is not an outside centre. He is too slow, but a much better inside than our captain. Boks by 15+ as a result of our forwards. Just by 5c worth

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.08.14 19:13:22 by Mutley Reply
  • When posters like Morne (Pissant from my blogging days) are pilloried on here, over my last few visits anyway, for an honest assessment it should tell you that you’re no longer on an impartial medium source, this is a fan boy site no doubt about it, you’ve become the Voldi of the blogosphere and all those loud voices against it back in the day are silent now. So being pro province was bad but being rabid pro Shark and anti Bok on here seems ok as long as it’s not anti Bok-shark? And I’m a Lions fan born and bred before I’m accused of being a Bulls agent…

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.08.14 19:15:44 by Clanerk Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 10) : I would be keen to see the kick stats of sa against northern hemisphere sides and minnows such as samoa vs the kicking stats when we play against oz and abs-just as an observer I think we tend to kick more against aus and ABs-no stats to back my observation

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.08.14 19:17:25 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 13) : Coetzee better than Smith? Nah…

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.08.14 19:17:54 by Clanerk Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 16) : Currently I think Coetzee is better than Smith, Smith is a great player but Coetzee offers you more, if Meyer was not so obsessed with size, Jaco Kriel would be first choice

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.08.14 19:21:29 by Mutley Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 15) : can’t compare smith to Coetzee-as this season Meyer told him and kolisi to play as fetchers to create depth at 6-however Marcell has had a great season as a 6 but Flo has been great for the Boks so I don’t think they consider Marcell as a 7 although he played there last week

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.08.14 19:22:49 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 16) : I think Meyer went for smith as he always likes a bruiser at 7 and he gives another lineout option especially now that victor is injured

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.08.14 19:31:14 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 13) : battling to understand what part of this site is not as advertised by its URL?

    I realise all the other sites are dead, but still, nothing’s forcing you to visit this one

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.08.14 19:32:16 by robdylan Reply
  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 19) : Good point.

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.08.14 19:35:33 by Mutley Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 4) : Actually despite being a very big Sharks fan, Boks are miles more important to me. And I watch every game and support them no matter who’s playing or coaching.

    However, I disagree and believe Lambie is better than Pollard. And don’t bring age into it because Lambie is only 3 years older. Why play Pollard now as ‘the future’ when Lambie still has a good 7 years or more left to offer. Baffles me.

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.08.14 19:38:15 by SeanyJMc Reply
  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 14) :

    If I have time I could get them for you. But as far as kicking goes, NZ beats every other team hands down.

    A stat you might find very interesting…

    In test rugby, if a team has kicking meters of over 1000 meters in a game, they have never lost…

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.08.14 19:38:18 by Morné Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 13) :

    To be honest I do bait them every now and then 😈

    But provincialism, not just here, will be with us for 2 more generations.

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.08.14 19:39:45 by Morné Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 4) : Oh and also, even though I disagree with HM about Pollard, I like him as a coach and what he is doing with our team. Also, I think 2013 was one of our best seasons in a long time and that we just need to beat the All Blacks to top it.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.08.14 19:43:35 by SeanyJMc Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 22) :interesting stats….so you believe its just a misconception that the all blacks play running rugby and the boks dont?

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.08.14 19:54:26 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : well said

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.08.14 19:55:32 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @Bok-Clyde-Kiwi (Comment 25) :

    All Blacks play clever rugby. Clever rugby does not mean ‘running rugby’ and that is where I think most of us fans get it wrong.

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.08.14 20:05:43 by Morné Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 13) : So if I think Lambie is better than Steyn I’m biased? Don’t be stupid. @siphenkosi (Comment 5) : 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.08.14 20:08:12 by Talent Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 23) : Just 2?

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.08.14 20:09:54 by Talent Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 2) : Hmmmm inclined to concur.

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.08.14 20:20:16 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 12) : Gee bud, wasn’t exactly ideal conditions to make an impression. Give the kid a fair chance. Smith not better than Coetzee? Are you for real? Coetzee has still got lots to learn, and Juan is all class. Nevermind.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.08.14 20:22:48 by KingCheetah Reply
  • The All Blacks may kick more, but they don’t kick possession away when they have a 2 or 3 man overlap, as Pollard and Steyn did last week!

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.08.14 20:28:52 by Mpandla Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : So if that is your stance Rob, why don’t you just screen the members and limit the blog to Sharks groupies only? Seems you are just as keen to keep it a pro Shark lobby group. Many of us blog on other sites as well, and we enjoy our banter with many guys on this site. But if that is your stance, say so, and I will stay away.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.08.14 20:31:48 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @Talent (Comment 29) :

    With well over 50% of rugby public being white, male, Afrikaners and SA’s population projected to be a 1/3 under 20 years in 2015 I guess the figures and stats speak for themselves.

    Any case – I have always maintained that provincialism is great to keep the sport relevant (because it is supported mainly by the minority) but really bad for professionalism.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.08.14 21:32:50 by Morné Reply
  • @Mpandla (Comment 32) : agree 100%- that’s what pisses me off as a Bok supporter

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.08.14 21:45:55 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 27) : I disagree I think the ABs have found the balance between playing running rugby and kicking when necessary whereas I think the Boks tend to overdo the kicking and the forward bashing

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.08.14 21:52:06 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • Not sure what is going on here! However, I used to support Boks before Sharks but in the last 5-7 years Sharks have become my NO 1!
    I will always watch the Boks though. Last week’s match was terrible but that was caused by the weather. I’m looking forward to this week even though it will be going on to midnight!
    I believe Lambie offers the most at flyhalf out of himself, Steyn and Pollard. Lambie needs game time so he should be on the bench instead of boring Steyn. Pollard is second best.
    I think Marcelle Coetzee is a number 6 so better Juan Smith plays 7. Jannie definitely deserves a rest.
    After all this is Sharksworld! Cheetah supporters are welcome though IMHO !

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.08.14 21:56:02 by [email protected] Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 31) : Smith WAS a great player before his injuries but he had a good season with toulon-but you can’t deny Coetzee had a brilliant season with the sharks-however as I mentioned before I think they are two different players-if we are comparing smith to anyone it should be mohoje as they are similar players-both bruising 7s and lineout options-so if anything the question should be why isn’t oupa mohoje starting ahead of smith?

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.08.14 22:00:28 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply
  • What has happened to the readers on this site…. The entire comment section just stinks of troll and ignorance. I’m sorry to Say Rob but I think the Internet may have found Sharks World :(.

    To the point of answering some of the dumbest statements I have ever seen in my life…. What on earth does the fact that this is A Sharks site have anything to do with anything? I couldn’t care less if not a single Sharks player got selected for the Boks ever, it would just mean more rested players for us.

    The fact that people have a problem with Meyer is not that he doesn’t select enough players from a specific province! It’s the fact that he is a moron that wouldn’t know good rugby if it slapped him in the face. He plays 2 dimensional boring forwards rugby and implements nothing new to a game plan that has been around since Noah stepped off the Ark.

    This team and this game plan will not win the World Cup, enfact if Meyer wins the world cup next year I solemnly promise to recordmyself eating a hat and put it on YouTube.

    Honestly if you have a problem with Sharks supporters supporting the Sharks team and players on a SHARKS website then kindly GTFO please, thank you, bye.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.08.14 22:12:18 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 39) : Bwhahahahahahahahaha

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.08.14 23:32:43 by KILLER SHARK Reply
    Valued Sharksworld Supporter KILLER SHARK
  • So young, so angry, damn that rap music

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.08.14 23:45:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Clanerk (Comment 2) : calm down boet not all feel like that, but we may disagree with the team selection and say as it.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.08.14 00:24:42 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 30) : and yet you can’t stay away!!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.08.14 00:30:40 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 33) : ja and we like to banter and praat [email protected] with you guys but to be fair it’s called Sharksworld not Bokworld or anything else so if you come on here and trash the Sharks you might just piss off one or two people.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.08.14 00:40:17 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 33) :

    to be fair .. im only on the site to see if Rob picks the Lions in his weekend preview or not . If he does , im sure the Lions will not win 😛

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.08.14 06:38:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 45) : Morne backs you for a win which is usually the kiss of death but he’s been pretty accurate of late

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.08.14 06:48:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Such drama 😆

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.08.14 07:20:27 by JarsonX Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 46) :

    i have no hope . haahah 🙂

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.08.14 07:21:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Got to feel for Lambie….players that have been treated far better than him, have upped their roots and gone overseas.

    Seems he’s just too much of a gentleman to throw his toys around, but maybe that’s what it will take for HM to allow him to build on the form he has shown for the Boks at fh.

    Never have I seen a player dropped just because the coach has a love affair with certain players yet to prove themselves.

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.08.14 07:40:32 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 4) : Have you ever considered the rationale behind placing a flyhalf into the springboks when he couldnt nail down a starting berth at his provincial team?

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.08.14 07:40:52 by Dunx Reply
  • @Dunx (Comment 50) :

    I imagine it’s a bit like in 2012, when Lambie “couldnt nail down a starting berth at his provincial team”, because of Fred Michalak, yet everyone on this site wanted him to start, at flyhalf, for the Springboks. 😉

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.08.14 07:59:59 by 13 Reply
  • So for wat its worth… I back the Boks vs Anyone and the Sharks vs Anyone…if the Boks played the Sharks im not sure who id pick, probably the underdogs Sharks. As for the changes..Guthro did well his last Bok game but I cant see why Beast and not Jannie is rotated- almost seems if coaches are scared not to play Jannie. Happy with Juan Smith replacing Coetzee as Coetzee/Louw combo didnt gel and actually got in each others way. Happy with Pollard to keep playing…he is the guy witht he 10 shirt at the moment and 1 ave game in a storm shouldnt mean he gets dropped. To be fair Lambie has been out injured for a long time so just to be included in the squad is a surprise- he should be playing CC. Happy that Lwazi is included- id love to see him replace LeRoux if we have a lead

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.08.14 08:01:28 by SheldonK Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : I don’t even know where to start regarding Lambie. It irks me SO much to see his talent being wasted away by a coach that, as you put it “has a love affair with certain players”. First he gets dropped last week because he “needs more game time”. Then gets said game time at the Sharks and delivers a stellar performance. Gets included into touring squad only to get dropped, AGAIN, for.. what? I love the Boks, I really do, but it seems HM is going out of his way to select a team that makes it almost impossible to support.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.08.14 08:06:19 by Another Nick Reply
    Another Nick
  • @13 (Comment 51) : You mean the year that MS cost us more than a fair number of games because he couldn’t kick at goal?

    The same year that we went unbeaten on our Northern Hemisphere tour, with Lambie starting every game as fh?

    Tell you what, you tell me the game in which Lambie underperformed as Springbok fh, and I’ll quit saying he needs to be the starting fh.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.08.14 08:09:38 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • 😐 😯 Please guys, this isn’t News24 or some other third-rate site. Let’s discuss the rugby and the selections objectively.

    There’s no need to bash anybody or to troll. If you want to upset people then rather go to Keo or News24!

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.08.14 08:16:03 by ChrisS Reply
  • @Another Nick (Comment 53) : It seems to me that Lambie is being taken on tour just because he has a Bok contract, and were it up to HM, he’d keep him as far away from this team of his as possible.

    Not sure what HM’s issue is with Lambie, probably the distance he gets from kicking out of hand.

    To me though, a well placed tactical kick will always be more efficient than kicking the ball 80m down the throat of your opposition. 🙄

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.08.14 08:17:28 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 4) : No,Lambie is no Pollard…that is why Lambie should be in the bok team

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.08.14 08:25:24 by HeinF Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 15) : Pollard better than Lambie and Smith better than Coetzee? You missed some gooed rugby games then this year mate 😉

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.08.14 08:29:15 by HeinF Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : I think it’s more a case of Lambie having been injured for so long and lacking a bit of confidence. I think that he should have been playing Currie Cup rugby for the next 2 or 3 weeks. It would do him the world of good!

    I agree with you about the tactical kicking…an up-and-under is only effective if a man hits the catcher as he touches the ball and drives him back in order to win a turnover. Likewise, a low kick should land on the grass and be rolling towards the touchline inside or near the opposition’s 22m area. If it goes out then there’s pressure on the defending team’s lineout and if it doesn’t go out then chasers should pressure the defender, getting back to recover the ball, into scrambling the ball into touch so that they have an attacking lineout.

    Kicking the ball hopefully down the middle of the field does nothing!!

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.08.14 08:29:26 by ChrisS Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : Let’s be honest,most people on this site are fans of Lambie (with good reason IMO), but I still think it’s fair to say he never got as many chances as Steyn, Goosen and now even Pollard as well. It just feels like HM is always trying to find another FH so that he doesn’t have to play Lambie.

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.08.14 08:38:31 by HeinF Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 54) :

    In case you didn’t notice the winking smiley, that comment was said with my tongue firmly in my cheek. 😉

    I agree 100% that Lambie has never underperformed in a Springbok jersey, but at the same time, he has never really excelled either.

    One of Lambie’s strengths is the fact that he makes very few mistakes. He is a solid flyhalf. He won’t lose a game for you because of an error, but he’s also not going to win it with a moment of brilliance either.

    As strange as this may seem after saying all of that, Lambie would be my starting Springbok flyhalf. Other than the lack of distance he gets with his kicks out of hand, he is the most complete flyhalf in the country and with Willie le Roux running our backline we don’t need a playmaker at 10.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.08.14 08:40:24 by 13 Reply
  • @ChrisS (Comment 59) : One of the most irritating comparisons that these statisticians throw around is telling us how many times more the AB’s kicked than us.

    Kicking is not the problem, it’s the lack of tactical kicking that frustrates me….I enjoy a well placed rolling tactical kick as much as I enjoy our pack decimating the opposition pack at scrum time.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.08.14 08:41:00 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @13 (Comment 61) : 😳

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.08.14 08:42:56 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @13 (Comment 61) : What about Willie le Roux getting a shot at flyhalf?? 😀

    I’m really keen to see how he’d go and no, this isn’t a joke. He has great skills and could be our version of Quade Cooper or Aaron Cruden.

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.08.14 08:44:21 by ChrisS Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : Exactly my point!!!

    I believe that the stat is also skewed by the fact that many of the metres of the All Blacks’ kicks are made up of the ball rolling along the ground whereas our kicks just land safely in opposition hands. Frustrates me to tears!!!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.08.14 08:46:58 by ChrisS Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 60) : Yeah, most of us are fans of his….his on the field and off the field persona, same as with Beast, is what deserves the most respect.

    Very talented at a very young age, yet never allowed it to go to his head….very few, if any young sportsman can say that.

    Maybe HM prefers the arrogant type 😈

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.08.14 08:47:00 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @ChrisS (Comment 65) : “frustrates me to tears” 😆

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.08.14 08:48:25 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : Distance matters most when you kick to touch to exit your 22.

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.08.14 08:49:19 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 60) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 66) : If Morne Steyn could mess up that badly in 2012 and get game after game after game after game after game after game….(you get the point)…then why couldn’t Lambie get more than 3 games in a row to prove his worth.

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.08.14 08:49:55 by ChrisS Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : I hear you. But to me, what he lacks in kicking meters he makes up for in reading the game. He is always composed and brings a calmness to the players around him. Lambie has natural, raw, x-factor talent and the fact that the coaching system at the boks don’t see it or want to see it worries me. I feel him and Willie are cut from the same cloth. Yet Willie gets all the support and backing, while Lambie wanders in the wilderness. Injuries aside, I would have loved to have Lambie and Goosen as our primary FH for the WC. The healthy competition between them would ensure they bring our the best in each other. Instead we are stuck with Steyn and Pollard.

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.08.14 08:51:16 by Another Nick Reply
    Another Nick
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 66) : True. I remember reading somewhere that John Smith said Lambie is the first rugby player he has met that he would allow to date his daughter. That is one of the greatest compliments you can give a guy

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.08.14 08:54:42 by HeinF Reply
  • @ChrisS (Comment 69) : Because, as @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : said previously, HM as a certain, “affinity” to some players he fancies. He will back them to hell and back. 👿

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.08.14 08:56:52 by Another Nick Reply
    Another Nick
  • @Another Nick (Comment 72) : Maybe Lambie’s good manners makes the rest of his team, including himself, look bad. 😡

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.08.14 09:00:25 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @JD (Comment 43) : I enjoy the banter on here, and its fun, but if the stance is that the site just wants all pro Sharks bloggers say so, I can stay away, made that decision years ago on Voldy, and never went back.

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.08.14 09:02:17 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 60) : Goosen, he got a shot, then got injured. That doesn’t amount to too many chances? I like Lambie, he is cool and composed under pressure, but clearly after 5 years as a bok, and under two different coaches, something is lacking that the bok coaches want.

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.08.14 09:07:01 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 71) : Wow, that does say a lot about the man. Also, wasn’t it Andre Joubert who said a while ago that Lambie was the best FH we have? Guess HM didn’t get the memo.. 🙄 😡

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.08.14 09:09:33 by Another Nick Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 74) : Don’t worry, bud. There are plenty of us glass-half-empty Sharks supporters here to balance out the rose-spectacled happy clappies. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.08.14 09:11:01 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 74) : Don’t go. It’s fun having bloggers from all of the teams on this site. I enjoy the perspective and insight you bring about the Cheetahs and the same can be said for Zibbie about the Lions.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.08.14 09:15:00 by ChrisS Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : Seems said coaches are more concerned with what Lambie does (or does not do) behind the scenes, as on the field he has been right up there.

    HM is so scared of experimentation, but when he has a choice between experimenting with a novice, vs. picking Lambie, his fear completely disappears. 🙄

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.08.14 09:20:30 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : Yes something is lacking…but what is the question. All that I can think is that it is maybe a size issue and maybe the lenghts of his line kicks. Defensively he is very solid, he is calm and he has the ability to bring the best out of his backline. I just don’t think he got a fair chance to prove his abilities for the boks, especially 2 years ago when Morne was absolutely terrible.

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.08.14 09:21:19 by HeinF Reply
  • @Another Nick (Comment 76) : I know the question was asked before, but can’t someone mail a link of the site to HM so he knows where he can come and get some good advice when he feels a bit clueless (which is apparently most of the week!)

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.08.14 09:23:13 by HeinF Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 68) : Seen quite a few of those being completely messed up by those with the big boot….if the opposition is able to charge you down, your long ranging kick helps jack-squat

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.08.14 09:24:12 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • I always felt that as a non-Sharks supporter, on a Sharks site, I’m a guest and guests don’t trash their hosts’ place, even though I visit at least 10 times a day. PS – I also think Lambie should at least occupy a bench spot for the Boks. I think if Pollard is deemed the encumbent flyhalf, then Steyn adds no value whatsoever as impact player.

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.08.14 09:37:17 by Blue Centurion Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : As you well know I don’t mind the game-plan but I agree 100%, it has to be accompanied by accurate kicking and the correct decision making at the correct times.

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.08.14 09:41:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 77) : Lol, obliged.

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.08.14 09:53:17 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 83) : It’s difficult to discard an opinion backed with an attitude like yours. This is so not the right thread but I’ve been meaning to ask, what’s your take on the Bulls’ internal strife? Do you think they have a management capable of sorting out the current woes?

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.08.14 09:55:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 80) : Agree, we were all frustrated that MS was out of form, and yet got chance after chance. Feel for Lambie, as he has the game to make a test career. He just seems to be in the same boat as Brent Russel. His utility value supercedes his actual value.

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.08.14 09:55:37 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 85) : And you sir should definitely stick around, still plenty of room for improvement when it comes to your stirring but we’ll get your there eventually :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.08.14 09:56:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 87) : Spot on.

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.08.14 09:58:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 83) :
    SW has always welcomed different opinions. The fun is in arguing about why the other person is wrong after all. 😉

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.08.14 10:01:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 87) : There are some questions HM definitely hasnt answered such as who is his next in line at 8 should Vermuelen get injured? Who is the next in line at 15 if Willie gets injured? Does he trust Malherbe to play 80min if Jannie gets injured? If Pienaar egts injured does he trust Hougaard to play the full 80min against NZ?

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.08.14 10:04:25 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 91) : I would like to see Marcell or Juan trialled at 8. Juan played there at the beginning of his career but wasn’t able to handle the presure as he was still young. I think that he’d be better now as he’s matured.

    Marcell is very quick off the mark and I feel that he has the necessary grunt and ball skills to be a realistic option as a Bok eighthman.

    Malherbe must get a start ahead of Jannie who BADLY needs a break and we must see who our third-choice tighthead is.

    I think that Lambie would slot in at 15 if Willie gets injured.

    Hougaard is a wing and shouldn’t be considered at 9 for the Boks.

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.08.14 10:19:33 by ChrisS Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 91) :

    find out … next time …. on survivor …..

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.08.14 10:25:17 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 91) : So much questions our bok-breeder leaves unanswered, no wonder the general public (or rather SW) has so much strive with him. As far as lambie is concerned, I would have loved to have him play CC a bit longer. I think HM uses different standards for different players, like when he said that Lewies’ one great game against Scotland doesn’t indicate that he is good enough to play RC yet at the same time that one game is suddenly enough to make this child Pollard the new saviour at flyhalf? Double standards as a coach will always get u in trouble with the general public…
    I am actually looking forward to Juan’s return although at the cost of Oupa?? not on at all. Rugby is suppose to be progressive, yet our coach seems hellbent on discovering how he can re-enact 2007 using 2007’s players! I haven’t missed a BOKS game, under HM yet, and I don’t plan to either. He is doing some lekker things, and he’s gameplan is better then Snor’s in many ways… but I’m not ashamed to say I can’t wait for his term with the boks to be over, cause the damage he does to local rugby. in my opinion, far outweighs the victory he gets on the field

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.08.14 10:34:53 by Stiko85 Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 33) : You are a sensitive pussy cat arent you. Where do you read that Rob asks any non Sharks supporter to stay away from the site, its not there but what is there is that its a Sharks fan boy site, live with it – we are Shark biased around here. Anyway you know this and thats why most of your posts around here are to get a dig in just the same as some guy whose avatar is that of a strung up shark. Most of us welcome you guys because it then frees us up of playing devils advocate and baiting our own guys. 😈

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.08.14 10:45:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • As for trolling on this site, not on guys. ATKV has a slogan on some of their t-shirts, “Praat Afrikaans of how jou bek”, well on here i’d say, talk rugby or shut-up… No need to bash your fellow bloggers, after all difference of opinions will follow naturally. I agree with the whole tactical kicking debate, Ruan Pienaar in my opinion is the worst tactical kicker ever, he bloody makes so many aimless kicks its makes me nauseous. And its like the guy has a lifetime contract with the Boks, hes literally been apart of three generations of coaches and all seems to praise him. Its like when the new Bok-breeder signs his contract, there’s a point stipulated there that Ruan Pienaar must be included if he’s fit, and wragtig the ou don’t wanna get injured also lol. I think he’s the ass who infected every SH to think they have a better view then the FH when it comes to kicking from a rug. mxm,

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.08.14 10:49:36 by Stiko85 Reply
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 95) : True that, lol thanks for coming to Rob’s defence, I was getting kinda worried for the guy he kinda just went quiet after kingCheetah’s comment and that was back in the beginning of this whole debate already.

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.08.14 10:53:33 by Stiko85 Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 93) : haha love it! @ChrisS (Comment 92) : Problem is we will never know who can do the job until its an emergency and we end up being found out. Its a slim chance of Willie, Jannie and Duane all getting injured same time but rugby is a contact sport s you never know. It would then mean some very untried players for the Oz game.

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.08.14 10:58:31 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Stiko85 (Comment 96) : Maybe thats Lambies problem – hy moet sy bek hou as hy by die Bokke aansluit.
    I can just see HM, Matfield and Bakkies stroling around Hartenbos wearing those t-shirts. 😈

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.08.14 11:02:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 97) : 😆

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.08.14 11:03:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • team announced

  • Comment 101, posted at 21.08.14 11:05:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 99) : Lol HM probably explained something in Afrikaans to the boys and lambie asked him to explain it in English ne. I have a feeling requests like that don’t sit well with the coach, remember when he decided to drop PSDT because he called “uncle” bakkies OOM? 😛

  • Comment 102, posted at 21.08.14 11:08:26 by Stiko85 Reply
  • @Stiko85 (Comment 102) : Imagine what he would have done to Frans Steyn in ’06 and ’07 – probably called the ref “Oom” back then. 😀

  • Comment 103, posted at 21.08.14 11:36:32 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 88) : Lol, Its all in jest.

  • Comment 104, posted at 21.08.14 11:41:53 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 95) : Its that time of the month, my mid month salticrax are shy of topping.

  • Comment 105, posted at 21.08.14 11:44:14 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 105) : I wonder over what age you have to be to understand the salticrax dilemma? Great ad! 😀

  • Comment 106, posted at 21.08.14 11:57:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 106) : wow memories hahahaha

  • Comment 107, posted at 21.08.14 12:03:41 by SheldonK Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 106) : 😆

  • Comment 108, posted at 21.08.14 12:10:44 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 86) : No I have my doubts whether sone one will have the guts to do a major overhaul of coaching staff and management like at the Sharks. I have no faith in Ludeke. He hasn’t brought anything new into the system and after 2011 boks left nothing happened. This Xander van Rensburg doing the contracts is the cause of the strife between the players and management. Unless he proves me wrong, I don’t think Van Graan will do much about it. Last time we went through this I 99-2001 he was also jn charge. If he learned from that, we could see change. But I doubt it.
    Still I will always support the side playing.

  • Comment 109, posted at 21.08.14 12:52:31 by Blue Centurion Reply
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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 83) : that’s because you’re just a downright lekker oke

  • Comment 110, posted at 21.08.14 12:54:15 by robdylan Reply
  • @13 (Comment 51) : True. But wouldnt you rate provincial vastly different to international in the form of step up in intesity, etc?

  • Comment 111, posted at 21.08.14 13:24:16 by Dunx Reply
  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 109) : Thanks for the comments, sorry state of affairs, perhaps it’s time to appoint Pierre Spies as CEO? 😉

  • Comment 112, posted at 21.08.14 13:26:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Lambie can turn a game around, but usually doesn’t have to, because he’s in control of the game right from the start.

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.08.14 14:34:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 105) : 😆 and your topping of prefernce is no doubt sardine in sild oil.

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.08.14 16:02:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Guess who is back, jip i am back in action.. For only this weekend, Hos ja!!

  • Comment 115, posted at 21.08.14 16:41:48 by Windgat101 Reply
  • @Clanerk (Comment 2) : hey you, its my job to be the troll okay, dont steal my job describtion.. Stop your sh*t okay and leave the site

  • Comment 116, posted at 21.08.14 16:46:00 by Windgat101 Reply
  • @Windgat101 (Comment 116) : damn right 🙂

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.08.14 17:34:17 by robdylan Reply
  • @Windgat101 (Comment 116) : that’s what happens if you stay away to long………….

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.08.14 17:47:29 by JD Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 113) : no Lambie highlight clip will be complete without that Schalk handoff!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.08.14 17:53:20 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 106) : about my age 😉 it’s not inside it’s oooooooonnnnnnnnnn top!!!!!!!

  • Comment 120, posted at 21.08.14 17:56:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 118) : hey man, i thinking of staying hey, until the other trolls leaves!! But just to be the troll again ill jinx that the sharks will lose..

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.08.14 19:31:35 by Windgat101 Reply
  • @Windgat101 (Comment 121) : when you admit to being a troll, you kind of lose your trolling power

  • Comment 122, posted at 21.08.14 20:57:58 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 122) : 😥 the troll burial of windgat101 😥

    We’ve lost quite a few good trolls over the years, always saddens me when there’s no one to argue with 😆

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.08.14 21:21:18 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @Windgat101 (Comment 121) : admitting your a troll is the first step 😉

  • Comment 124, posted at 21.08.14 22:40:20 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 122) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 123) : maybe we should change his name to Shrek, he’s still a troll but it seems he has a good heart.

  • Comment 125, posted at 21.08.14 22:42:32 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 123) : sounds as if someome has a troll crush? !?!?!?!

  • Comment 126, posted at 21.08.14 22:45:08 by JD Reply
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  • I am actually looking forward to seeing Juan play again – always been my favourite player since Lem. I rate Marcel a lot, but he is more of a 6 nowadays.

  • Comment 127, posted at 22.08.14 07:56:26 by Bokhoring Reply

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