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Cheetahs: very good. Sharks: work in progress


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 16 Feb 2015 at 11:38
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We’re generally very quick to pounce on our own team’s failings, here at Sharksworld – in fact, I sometimes think that some of us are actually quite pleased to see them fail, in order to enjoy an opportunity to show the depth of our scorn and the extent of our keyboard-warrior wit.

This post is not about making the Sharks out to be any better than they were on Saturday, but rather to give a little credit to the Cheetahs who, if we’re honest, ended up being a hell of a lot better on the day than we expected. Other sources are heaping praise on the likes of Joe Pietersen – a Stormers discard who turned out to be a very effective general for his new team – and Coenie Oosthuizen, whose much maligned scrumwork in the number 3 jersey came up trumps against a Bok-laden Sharks front row.

The Cheetahs’ win, though, wasn’t one based on individual performances, but rather team cohesion and attitude, resulting in far better defence than we’ve come to expect and an impressively low error rate for this point in the season. It’s hard to really fault them on anything they did on Saturday – their set piece was solid, their discipline impeccable and they adapted far more quickly to the referee’s breakdown interpretations than the Sharks seemed able to. It’s hard to imagine the Cheetahs of 2014 putting in the sort of defensive effort that we saw in the last 4 minutes or so, denying the Sharks a crucial score with the odds stacked against them.

I’ll go so far as to suggest that the Cheetahs would probably have beaten just about any other Super Rugby side with the performance they put in on Saturday; the challenge, as always, is to maintain that level of performance against teams they hate less than the Sharks, which in the past has proved tough.

As for the Sharks? Well, I don’t have much more to say – nay to implore – than “be patient”. This is a team into its fifth coaching regime in as many campaigns. The players are only human and they will need time to adjust, to absorb and to excel. We tend to write them up very quickly based on not much real information and then write them off again even faster. I did say in my preview last week that we were going to have to wait and see and now that we have seen, we know that there is plenty of work to be done. Surprise, surprise.

In parting, let me offer some scant consolation. In 2012 (the last time the Sharks really did anything remarkable in Super Rugby) they lost two home derbies in the first two rounds, yet recovered from that slow start to qualify for the final. Those Sharks were properly under cooked in the early stages, yet were red hot by the time the competition reached its climax. 2013’s Currie Cup campaign started with a shocking home defeat to Griquas. It was a similar situation – the first game under a new coaching team and the knives did come out pretty quickly. Few here will remember the things they said after that game, especially given the way that campaign ended.


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  • Yeah, disappointed with the result, but not short sighted – long way to go yet, got carried away on previous thread, but still quietly optimistic. It’s how we end that counts. Still some big names to return, and many games until the playoffs. One Saturday a season doesn’t make.

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.02.15 11:43:27 by Richard Reply
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  • That first paragraph Rob…Torpedoes of Truth. 😈

    Sharks really have had a bad run with coaches. What we need now is some calm heads and some consistency. Just not sure that should apply to that midfield.

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.02.15 11:53:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I don’t think its all doom and gloom for us, we just need to sharpen up on a few things and I think we will be fine. As much as it hurts to see us loose at home, I would rather have us start slow and peak at the right time. Which I am hoping we do.
    On a different note, does anyone know who the MOTM was? Supersport switched over to the Bulls game so quickly, it was never broadcasted..

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.02.15 12:03:01 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Thanks Rob for a nice article,putting things into perspective.Patience for 2015. 😉

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.02.15 12:04:08 by Phil46 Reply

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  • Whatever Naka went to go learn overseas seems to have worked

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.02.15 12:07:15 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 3) : If I am correct, I saw Sarel Pretorius get it.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.02.15 12:08:56 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 6) : he was actually pretty good, but I though Joe P was better.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.02.15 12:09:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • I was disappointed with the poor handling at crucial times. Also a lot of the attack seemed to be very lateral as well, which helped the Cheetahs defend and made our attack predictable. Deysel’s physicality and offloads were a good point. We’re definitely going to have to up our game against the Lions…

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.02.15 12:11:00 by patrick86 Reply

     
  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : I was also suprised, I thought Joe P had a great game.

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.02.15 12:11:16 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 6) : @robdylan (Comment 7) : Thanks, I thought Joe might get it. Sarel was good, just not sure he was MOTM good.

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.02.15 12:11:46 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Look I know we are flogging a dead horse here,but one of the major problems on Saturday was a lack of leadership on the field.Patrick was named as the captain,but seriously he never once took charge,the forwards were leaderless till Deysel came on.He seemed to galvanise them and they started to play with a purpose.Up until then they looked clueless.
    The Cheetahs were a tight unit,everyone knew his place,as Ashwin Willemse said the difference between the back lines wash that everytime Petersen was in trouble Willie was right there to back him up,contrast that with our fullback.
    Now can we make a case for Bismark’s surprise absence as being totally disruptive,or are the Cheetahs just better coached

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.02.15 12:13:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @patrick86 (Comment 8) : Deysel needs to teach Marcell how to offload. Marcell would be devastating if he can manage to get the ball away. A couple of times on saterday he had the ball, the defenders lined him up and left a gap on his outside shoulder open. He had support runners running in those lines, but the defenders knows he is not going to pass, so it is easier for them to gang tackle him.

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.02.15 12:14:46 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 9) : @Another Nick (Comment 10) : Boom Prinsloo also made a really good contribution despite only coming on later.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.02.15 12:22:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Same shit different year.

    The Toulon game we gave a kickable penalty after 80min.

    Cheetahs beat us and probably won’t win any top overseas team.

    We always lose matches like this and it ends up costing a home playoff .

    Hope they can prove me wrong. The Sharks and Cheetahs

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.02.15 12:32:07 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Wow this was a shocker! But I would rather we see glaringly obvious weak points now, than go on with a false sense of security. There were some things that worked and some that did not. Now is the test of good coaching team to see if they can get the combinations right. As for the “scare” with beast jannie bismarck etc. This is where players have to step up and evolve to the next level. The test of a truly great player. Personally I think we should always be expecting a major setback or injury and make sure there is contingency. Besides we know that most of these guys (being springboks and being humans that can be injured) would not be avaialable 100% of the time. Let’s see how the sharks cope, show character and loyalty, and this finally is the test of a true supporter.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.02.15 12:35:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Well done to the Cheetahs – they certainly had a great game.

    Watching the Sharks on Sat live, I was gutted. Perhaps more with myself for having fallen into the trap (once again) of believing all the pre-season hype: new coaches, new game plan, new signings – none of which was evident in their game plan on Sat.

    Tempering my expectations here and taking a wait and see approach.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.02.15 12:38:55 by stevovo Reply
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  • Damn but the people are full of doom and gloom. Like our pal Naas said(a bit modified) The SupeRugby is not won in February. At least we didn’t get a snot klap like the Cows did. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.02.15 12:46:45 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • And for those that was not at the stadium, one hell of a exiting thing that happened, is that the old Sharkie is back! With an updated suit, but he can now interact with the kids and people again, not like that slow lumbering whale-sharkie :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.02.15 13:16:17 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • If we were so bad and the Cheetahs were so good, how did we come within a lost ball over the try line to beating them? Either they werent as good as we think or we werent as bad as we think we were.

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.02.15 13:17:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Not really an in depth break down on the sharks problems and shortcomings there Rob.Would like to hear a bit more from you in regard to things like leadership issues when Bissie is not there, the breakdown wich is non existent without yet again Bissie and stuff like backline selections.Your probably the most informed person on here so I think it will make a good read and debate?

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.02.15 13:18:06 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 20) : mate, I’ve been open about this.

    It’s been one game. I don’t have anything to go on yet.

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.02.15 13:29:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 17) : I hope the same can be said for Superbru – not won in February.

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.02.15 13:37:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : Haha I feel you

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.02.15 13:43:19 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Robbie I was really surprised by the Cheetahs effort, they were nowhere in the warmup against the Stormers and loked they were going to be very much in line with the 2014 Cheetahs.

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.02.15 13:45:36 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Only team I can say performed as expected (at least from my point of view) was the stormers. They came off a strong CC campaign and winning consistently in CC is still worth a lot more than a once off win against saracens (old and depleted as that team was). I never rated the bulls over them and neither did most people I spoke to pre-game, this was maybe just the media opinion and that of the majority of thye fans. I really expected the Lions to do more and the Sharks seemed lost. Jean’s return from japan was not a moment too soon and maybe he should have captained in bissie’s absence? Anyone care to comment on Waylon Muray’s performance as i’m sure it was under scrutiny same as SP Marais.

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.02.15 14:07:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 12) : Yeah I agree – the gaps are definitely there. I was at one of those IRB coaching things and they were saying that he doesn’t have the confidence to add offloads to his game. Hopefully the coaches can help him with that.

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.02.15 14:12:05 by patrick86 Reply

     
  • @coolfusion (Comment 25) : Everyone has commented on Waylon and SP’s performance’s.Its what the coaches think and do that really matters!

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.02.15 14:14:39 by tigershark Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 25) : Waylon didn’t impress. Granted, he didn’t get much ball.. but when he did, nothing came of it. Hoping for improvement there sooner rather than later. In terms of performance, I still think S’bu is miles ahead of him in the nr. 13 jersey. Heaven knows why the coaches insist on playing him on the wing..

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.02.15 14:17:05 by Another Nick Reply

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  • “in fact, I sometimes think that some of us are actually quite pleased to see them fail, in order to enjoy an opportunity to show the depth of our scorn and the extent of our keyboard-warrior wit.”

    Maybe some of us just don’t accept mediocrity? The Sharks now and the last few years should have been one of the best if not the best. Yet we fail to right previous mistakes causing us to consistently fall short.

    I think the website just allows people to vent their frustrations with this.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.02.15 14:18:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Good point well put and agreed. I know Im guilty too of giving too much flack. #SharksForever :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.02.15 14:21:59 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : Nope I’ll take my medicine and say we weren’t up to scratch. 1st half was aimless. If we were good enough they wouldn’t have had nearly as many opportunities. But as I have also said I would rather see the flaws now and iron them out than go a whole season thinking all is OK. Cheer up though because our pool of centers will improve. Botha and PSDT are bonding great. Thomas the tank, Esterhuizen and Kanko are waiting in the wings. The series has only started. We have mistakes to fix, but we will get it right. Besides even the crusaders have lost to a lesser team this weekend, these things do sometimes happen. The better teams learn from it and adapt quickly.

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.02.15 14:39:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 29) : Good point! Id rather vent my frustrations on here than to my wife.I think we all just expected more and as a result came the furious backlash.By the way the new movie Fury is a great watch.Took my wife to see it for valentines day! 😆

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.02.15 14:40:07 by tigershark Reply

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  • I enjoyed Lambie’s confidence to take kicks and the slot them from anywhere on the field.

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.02.15 14:41:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • Correction Rob, dunno where you get the hate angle from. Sharks are just another team that the Cheetahs beat quite regularly. I really don’t see any Cheetahs wanting to beat the Sharks, any more than any other team.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.02.15 14:41:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • You could clearly see the players were still in two minds, the conservatism of years gone by still firmly entrenched. You don’t just wipe out the way a player has been playing, especially since Plumtree was also mostly a ram it up type of coach – remember how we did under Plumtree when 1 or 2 of the big boys was injured?

    I still like that you could see that there was a definite shift, though a bit forced and constrained, we shifted the ball wide, made a few more passes than usual and at times even took a few chances (which on a number of occasions didn’t pay off, but like I said probably because we haven’t played like that for a while).

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.02.15 14:49:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • I’m just saying, though this loss was really disappointing, as was the Sharks (though credit must be given to the Cheetahs as Rob said), I think what the coaches are doing is a good thing, but we can’t expect it all to work from game 1.

    I’m hoping for a steady progress, that probably will only start to really work without glitches by game 5 or 6.

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.02.15 14:53:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) :

    I think it’s other way around, the Sharks just really like the Cheetahs, so when we play them we’re not always at our best.

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.02.15 14:54:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 35) : Did you watch the Chiefs game,Sonny Bill hasn’t played a union game since the last world cup,he touches the ball twice in the first ten minutes and the Chiefs score two tries.
    Sorry your argument is like putting lipstick on a pig.

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.02.15 14:56:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : sounds like you need to go support the Chiefs….

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.02.15 15:03:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) : “just another team that the Cheetahs beat quite regularly”

    Which other teams are “quite regularly”beaten by the tsietas? 😈

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.02.15 15:21:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @Letgo (Comment 35) : Agreed, it is going to take a while to get years of bad habits out of the players.

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.02.15 15:23:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : What is the point of bringing Sonny Bill up. He is one of a kind – there are 13 other Super Rugby teams that you can pass that comment off on.

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.02.15 15:31:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) : yeah, glad you picked up on that. I actually battled to respond due to the sheer mind-blowing stupidity of that statement.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.02.15 15:42:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Or he just knows what good rugby is and hopes to see it from the team he does support?

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.02.15 15:46:31 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 44) : Are you happier with the Sharks now that they are playing a more expansive game?

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.02.15 16:05:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • All that happened on Sat is that the Cheetahs had prepared for the Sharks tried and tested game plan and they smashed our 1 off runners. Until our forwards run off 10 and 12 like Coenie and Co were doing we will keep getting these results. Sharks same old problem of giving a thousand penalties away also sets them back…nevermind the handling. I think the playing personal were fine- altho i wish we had another 15 option- he is super lazy. The rest all good. Front row just need to drop the ego

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.02.15 16:20:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 38) :

    Actually Sony Bill played exactly as he always did, so your point supports my argument.

    It will take a while for the Sharks to adapt to the different coaching styles and game plans that come with that.

    We are also still very much doing the same thing we did last year during CC and SR, much like Sony Bill is doing the same thing he did when he last played rugby union.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.02.15 16:20:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) :

    I think our players were very much in two minds about their playing style. You could see they fell back on the kick first option once the pressure was on and when they did run they didn’t always look very comfortable.

    I can’t say I am happy with how they look when they tried to be more creative (all the time), but I am happy with the fact that their seems to be a shift to a more attacking, ball-in-hand mind set.

    I’m just hoping the coaches will stick with it, even though the experiment may have partially been the cause of this loss, I feel like we will get better and better at it (especially when our backline is back to full strength) and the team will be better and more balanced for it.

    We need to stick it out, we need that dimension of our game to be a weapon use, not just something we try to pull out of the bag in desperate times.

    And our guys need to find the balance between steady percentage rugby and all out attack rugby.

    I really feel that our guys just need some time to find confidence in this area of their games again, as most of them have the skills to be potent on attack.

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.02.15 16:28:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • watching the game again. Sharks tried some quite enterprising stuff in the first half – Williams in particular looking good.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.02.15 16:30:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) :

    The problem, there were too many bad mixed in with the good. The pass to Kyle and the kick led to a try and that was a direct conscience of trying to be more enterprising. Are we saying, don’t do it anymore? I’m saying do it more, because the more we do, the less crap decisions like that would happen. It’s a mindset and I think Kyle’s kick exactly explains the uncertainty of the teams thinking.

    Reinach felt there was something on, which I can tell you there was, had Kyle drawn the man or even taken the defender on and managed an offload to Lwazi, there was a very good chance for a try – Kyle could even just have passed, with the space available to Lwazi I am almost certain it could have been a very dangerous situation for the Cheetahs. Instead he thought, what the hell are we doing we just need to clear this ball and we ended up with a hooker making a poor decision and giving away a try.

    We can’t expect the guys to make good decision in these positions right away, as their previous coaches, coached them not to put themselves in those positions – regardless of the space/situations out wide.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.02.15 16:40:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : that was just stupid all round. What the hell was Cobus doing passing it to Kyle?

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.02.15 16:48:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • I wouldn’t really rate the Cheetahs as a top team. They are good but they are never going to be title contenders. They are the team that raise their game for certain teams and play their best game of the season. Someone said to me it is like the minnow teams in the English premiership knocking over Chelsea and in the process stuffing up a title run. The Cheetahs are lucky enough to have a very very stable environment that they have their regular player and regular coaches. They are familiar with each other and have played the same style of rugby for the last few years.

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.02.15 17:06:01 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 52) : Don’t agree on the regular players part, they bleed quality players to other unions just about every year. I think the only reason they’ve managed to hold on to Willie is due to his well documented love of mielies (actually I have no idea how they manage to hang on to him)

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 53) : They have a core of players who have been there for a while but yeah anyone with more than an average bit of talent gets poached. No idea why Willie is there either.

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.02.15 18:20:51 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 50) : What was Cooper doing kicking the ball? I hope he got a lot of flak for that. He has a single digit on his back. Just like Donut Dunning kicking the ball to get the penalty to push for a try and ends up getting a drop goal and losing the game. Forwards should NEVER kick.

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.02.15 18:22:56 by lostfish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : That wasn’t the only really stupid pass in our 22. A while later he passed to Mvovo, who was standing there not expecting the ball, got tackled and we conceded a penalty for holding on. Together those two passes cost us 10 points.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.02.15 19:16:01 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I agree with the general sentiment of the article, though there are some aspects of our side that really concern me…I’ve mentioned them on some other threads: our scrum, our handling general (that was such a frustrating problem last year too). Come on boys…get those areas right!!

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.02.15 20:41:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I must say that PSdT and MB look like a REALLY good lock combination!

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.02.15 20:43:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • the Impi took a major pak from Wits tonight. Not a good week for us.

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.02.15 20:59:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : ja Wits was always going to be a hard game!

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.02.15 21:09:11 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : I see last year’s winners CUT is also getting nailed in the Varsity cup. Huge deference in quality of Varsity Cup and Varsity Shield! !!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.02.15 21:13:39 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Ouch!! 56-13!
    http://varsitycup.co.za/varsity-shield/wits/wits-leapfrog-ukzn/

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.02.15 22:16:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 55) : Unless your name is John Eales

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.02.15 08:12:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • All of this concerns me a lot. We were told over the past few weeks that we were ready only to be told a week after the start of the competition that we are a work in progress.

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.02.15 10:17:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : if you sit down and think it through, you’ll be ok. 🙂

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.02.15 11:12:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : Told what by whom? I don’t think Gary Gold said we’re a work in progress…he said they were very disappointed by their performance…

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.02.15 11:12:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : I can tell you why Reinach passed to Kyle but i think the players have taken enough bashing from us. Lets just say Lmabie was caught in the ruck and our other kicking option was checking out the pole covers..and Cooper called so ya

  • Comment 67, posted at 17.02.15 11:13:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Having said that, of course we’re a work in progress! We have a lot of new personnel and new thoughts…I still think that work will progress…

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : 😆

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 68) : a work in progress is a fair statement, consider the upheaval at the Sharks – coaches and coaching controversy, new style of play – so much has happened. Then in SupeRugby there are the smallest of margins. A knock on, a bad pass, a bad kick, one slipped tackle – all this can cost you a game. The season will never be defined by how it starts, but how it ends, The Sharks are in a new era, and a new dynasty takes time. If change doesn’t hurt you doing it wrong. I believe in the team, the staff and the leadership. The responsibility rests on all of them and they will be smarting after that loss. No team can go unbeaten. It’s the beauty of sport. When we click we will make the rugby world quake.

  • Comment 70, posted at 17.02.15 11:19:56 by Richard Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 14) : Don’t quite know what you base that on? In 2013 the Cheetahs fared better against overseas opposition. They have been very close toi beating the Chiefs in Bloem, beat the Crusaders a few times already, and the Hurricanes. They have as good a chance of beating the top sides as any other team. Last year their defence was terrible, but they racked up enough scores in many games to win.

    The defence was much better, and if they can keep that up, there is no reason why they can’t beat the top teams.

  • Comment 71, posted at 17.02.15 14:06:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 71) : “no reason why they can’t” is not the same as “regularly beat”

  • Comment 72, posted at 17.02.15 14:07:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 52) : Really, how many players have the Cheetahs lost in the past year. Stable environment my ass!!Suppose we raise our game for the Crusaders and Chiefs too, but then we don’t worry about the Bulls?
    What utter trash! Cheetahs play to win as does any other pro team. Like any other pro team, they have days when things gel, and days when they don’t.
    If that was the case, and the Sharks know the Cheetahs are going to raise their game, logic dictates, that they should also step it up?
    Don’t buy into that notion!
    Thatis just a Band-Aid so that the Sharkies can feel better about an unexpected loss.

  • Comment 73, posted at 17.02.15 14:12:07 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Hey Rob. I can’t agree with you that the Cheetahs could have beaten just about any SupeRugby side on Saturday.

    Sure the Cheetahs deserved the win but I still maintain that we gave them the game on a silver platter, with biltong on the side and a few ice cold beers.

    Seriously though. Taking nothing away from the Cheetahs but surely the Sharks have only themselves to blame for this loss.

  • Comment 74, posted at 17.02.15 14:27:25 by Ben Reply
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  • Is it true that the Bulls players now go sleep at their parents’ houses after they play a game in Bloemfontein? 🙂

  • Comment 75, posted at 17.02.15 14:33:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 74) : Most generous of the Sharks indeed. Or you just can’t give credit where credit is due. Still in denial about the loss I venture? Wipe the sleep out of your eyes. It wasn’t a nightmare! The Cheetahs did beat the Sharks, and the score could have been worse, hasd the ref not gifted you the try scored by Lambie.
    I guess everytime the Sharks lose, its because they allowed the opposition to win!

  • Comment 76, posted at 17.02.15 15:19:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 76) : Wow! Guess you missed the parts where I said, “the Cheetahs deserved the win” and “taking nothing away from the Cheetahs.”

    Chill out dude. I’m not mocking your team. I’m merely pointing out my team’s faults.

  • Comment 77, posted at 17.02.15 15:42:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 77) : Cool, seems quiet a few people on here having been saying how the Cheetahs won more due to the Sharks playing badly, than the Cheetahs playing well. It was a bit disrespectful actually.

  • Comment 78, posted at 17.02.15 16:03:28 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 78) : I never said the Cheetahs didn’t play well. Sharks were awful though.

  • Comment 79, posted at 17.02.15 16:26:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 78) : Believe you me, even if Marcel scored a try at the end there I would still be ranting about how the Sharks didn’t deserve to win.

  • Comment 80, posted at 17.02.15 16:42:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 78) : They’re in the minority even on here. Most comments allude to the fact that the Sharks were outplayed. I guarantee there would have been a whole lot less doom and gloom on here if we could pin this loss on the ref or one particular player.

  • Comment 81, posted at 17.02.15 16:56:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 79) : @vanmartin (Comment 81) : Cool, point taken, I sit corrected 😀

  • Comment 82, posted at 17.02.15 20:56:41 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 82) : Next time buy me dinner before going off on me. 😉

  • Comment 83, posted at 17.02.15 21:13:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 78) : I didn’t say that…

  • Comment 84, posted at 17.02.15 23:19:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 83) : Class 🙂

  • Comment 85, posted at 17.02.15 23:19:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • What’s the bet the Cheetahs still lose at home to most of the Kiwi and Aussie teams? They do seem to keep their best for the local teams, especially the Sharks.

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.02.15 04:42:56 by Feather Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.02.15 05:06:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 86) : oh hell yes. My money is firmly on that

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.02.15 10:27:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • If the tsietas had any aspirations to win the SR trophy, we might be more inclined to pointing out how they were the better team.

    But thus far, the tsietas have had a singular good season of SR, vs. the Sharks’s history which stands head-and-shoulders above that of the tsietas.

    Tsietas will once again “flatter to deceive”, play with heart, but ultimately fail to achieve anything worth putting in the history books.

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.02.15 10:40:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

     

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