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Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Apr 2015 at 12:19
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As Sharks fans distraught at the implosion of yet another Super Rugby challenge continue to seek answers, a key question around planning needs to be addressed, given recent comments from Gary Gold.

The new Director of Rugby has taken a lot of the flack after a nightmare start that has seen the side win just four of their opening nine matches. I feel that to question the man’s credentials just three months into the job is very unfair, particularly given the lateness of his arrival and his complete lack of power to change any of the structures (read appointments) around him. Gold is ever the diplomat and takes pains to avoid making excuses; he has, however, admitted that arriving in Durban just in time for the final week of the pre-season was not ideal and while the situation could not be helped, it has definitely had an impact on team cohesion.

I think we’ll all agree that (with hindsight) it was perhaps a little naive to expect that a new head coach could miss the entire pre-season programme, yet somehow slot in seamlessly when the season proper kicked off. While those responsible for the decision will claim that their hands were tied, a little bit of honest introspection and an admission that this wasn’t the best plan ever, would go a long way towards helping us to move on.

In the absence of a time machine, though, there’s nothing we can do to change what’s happened and we rather need to get behind Gold and give him the time necessary to make up for this disconnect. It’s a one-off, we hope – not a situation that will ever be repeated.

That, surprisingly enough, is not really the point of this article. If it’s obviously inexcusable for a member of the coaching staff to be absent for pre-season, where so much of the planning, strategising and fine-tuning of game plans and structures (like defence!) is done, how can it be any more acceptable for any of the playing staff to do the same? How can a player be expected to understand his role if he’s not there? How can we be sure that he’s done the necessary leg-work in terms of conditioning, that he’s sweated enough with his team mates on the training field to form the necessary bond of trust on the playing field? The answer is obviously that none of these things can be assured, so instead we’re left taking a big risk and trusting the player’s “reputation”.

I’m talking, of course, about our players on the oh-so-lucrative split deals that allow them to spend half the year in Japan. It’s long been mooted that the lack of a pre-season of any sort leaves these players jaded and out-of-condition. How much longer can we accommodate these superstars in our set up when chasing the buck seems to be a higher priority than giving their all in the black and white?

I’d challenge any reader to name a player who has come back from one of these Japanese stints in better nick than when he left. Against the backdrop of too many “superstars” who seem to find it a bit too much effort to give their all when playing for the lowly Sharks, I’d far rather we fill our team and our squad with players who are totally commuted to the Sharks year round.

Let’s set a precedent for 2016: aside from World Cup Boks, if you don’t play Currie Cup in 2015, you don’t play Super Rugby the following year.


107 Comments

  • I will run naked around Kings Park if this is enforced.

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.04.15 12:23:57 by Morné Reply
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  • Viva! Viva! Amen! Tell’em Rob

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.04.15 12:24:23 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • Steyn looks a lot better, too bad it hasnt translated to performance. The only guy who has the Japan deal and looks shark is Brussouw. Also not a fan of the split season, seems helluva disruptive.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.04.15 12:25:04 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : Yeah, I know.

    but sometimes you have to plant a seed

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.04.15 12:36:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : Ye gods! I’ll pay good money for you NOT to do that if Rob’s idea is implemented. The horror!

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.04.15 12:39:05 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : In that case I’d prefer the status quo, thank you very much 😈

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.04.15 12:40:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I agree there is a lot of young guys we can build a good squad with starting CC 2015 in preparation for SR18 or whatever it will be called.
    In my opinion players should not have their bread buttered on both sides with playing in Sa & Japan. These players and snr players being earmarked by overseas clubs after WC should be let go and lets start building a young committed team – there is more than enough talent!! 😉

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.04.15 12:42:18 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Seriously though, I agree with the article. Spend the money saved on their salaries on keeping a few more juniors at the Sharks.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.04.15 12:43:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : Maybe the Japan split deals are being done as an interim solution, while the Junior structures are being created and implemented.

    Seems Smit had to build a lot of temporary structures to accommodate the construction of the master building.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.04.15 12:53:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Very true..
    The brotherly bond where you play for each other must be built on the training pitch, not the playing pitch.

    Agree, no more ex-pats, just true black and white shark players for 2016

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.04.15 13:05:13 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 10) : and that goes for coaches as well.

    Rob, where is Brendan??? haven’t seen him around for a while?

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.04.15 13:05:58 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Would our technical director (who ran the pre-season training) and our DOR be so far of the same page that Gary arriving late can cause so much disruption? I always understood that Gary and Brendan worked well together.

    We had 3 players (4 if you count Deysel – but he was never in the plans) in Japan – granted two are the centres our coach prefers as his starting duo. I can see that not having these two available can cause disruptions in our back line, but that is still no excuse for the majority of players looking out of sorts this season.

    I am still however prepared to give Gold time to execute his plans.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.04.15 13:06:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • There is no forward planning and cohesion at the sharks…a few mercenaries play super rugby then bugger off. CC team starts off in tatters and often loses the first game. And lets not forget prob our best player Renaldo Bothma doesnt play CC for us.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.04.15 13:17:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Yeah Rob; its been helluva difficult for me to blog, as I promised the team I would avoid negativity at all costs, and stick to my guns of saying nothing, if nothing positive can be said.

    Reading the media abound, the knives are out for The Sharks and it seems some media scribes would just love The Sharks to confirm crisis and create drama.

    I don’t buy into that.

    Mistakes have been made with appointments and management and selection and the players themselves – we have a Superstar team, as you say, and they are all veterans and ultra professional in their own right, you don’t forget how to play rugby, but the attitude of said superstars has been atrocious.

    Rob; you and I chatted before the season started that I hope the Japan based boys would come back firing, as last season they seemed apathetic.
    This trend has continued, I do not respect them for the lack of respect they have shown the jersey, the fans and the Union.

    Deysel; in good nick, willing as ever, imploded when he needed to stand up. (7 weeks)
    JPP; even more apathetic than last year, he is like dead wood. (2 weeks injured, and mostly absent)
    Steyn; I cannot actually comment on this – his performances have not been that of one of the most expensive players on the planet, and his attitude and heart are not there + 5 week suspension
    Kanko = trying, be it Japan or whatever, we have not seen the “real” Kanko in years

    Bismarck – 4 weeks, plus the epitome of frustration on the field

    Add to this the multiple injuries of the big name players, and the training field looks shambolic.

    I do not blame Gold; but I do question what is happening at the tank.
    It seems we are still the cool, lets just jol and relax Banana Boys.

    There is no discipline in this team; there is no cohesion in this team, despite being the same nucleus of core players.

    Something is vrot.
    I want answers, I actually look forward to the Union to no longer have these Superstars after this season, and those who want to play rugby first and foremost for the Union given the chance, the opportunity and the same grace as these non-performers.

    If you go to Japan you lose your Sharks contract. Simple.
    If you come from Europe as a old carthorse, we don’t want you.

    I want the young guns given the opportunity. Simple.

    We lost Herbst, Redlinghuys, Mienie & the Marais brothers and traded absolute crock for it. Sick of it.

    Sharks Rugby, I am sick of you messing around with old boys at the cost of development, and once in a blue moon is a youngster given a real opportunity.

    Until then, I will continue to watch in absolute non emotion.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.04.15 13:18:07 by Richard Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 11) : Wait till we win a few games…then you will see Brendon

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.04.15 13:18:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 3) : Elton Jantjie (a player from the lions) , Also looks a lot better after his jap stint . I however agree that having 3,4 or even 5 players from your side doing this is a bad thing

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.04.15 13:26:38 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Richard (Comment 14) : Well said – a lot of us agree!!! 😉

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.04.15 13:30:46 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • Brussouw and elton jantjies looks and performs well coming back from japan, jantjies especially plays better rugby post japan then he did pre japan. But I agree, jpp, frans and kanko are not the great players they were pre japan, in fact they have gotten worst each time they left and came back. I’d also prefer we don’t bring them back, rather they stay there.Even the almighty Deysel is a far cry from the brilliant player he was pre japan. I for one can’t wait for this year to end (looking forward to the rwc though) and then we can start from scratch as I believe a lot of the old boys will be on their way. As much as I love them the mustn’t leave, they must go!

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.04.15 13:33:58 by Stiko85 Reply

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  • @Richard (Comment 14) : Very well said sir! Could not have said it any better. A lot of truth you write there. I would like to see 23 players putting the jersey first. 23 players giving their all and playing for each other, like a brotherhood. Not each for his own, treading along, cashing the pay-check. I want to see 23 players playing with pride and joy for the black and white!! Where are those guys??

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.04.15 13:36:03 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Stiko85 (Comment 18) : if you are looking forward to the RWC you might be in for a lot of disappointment …

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.04.15 13:42:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I like it a lot!

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.04.15 13:44:37 by catfish Reply
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  • What every one here is very conveniently forgetting is that nobody had a problem with the late arrival of Gold.Because the Sharks and the season were in the very capable golden hands of Brendan Venter.
    He put all the structures and personnel in place.Jake inherited the exact coaching staff minus Horak as Gold did.
    Do people here really believe that Gold,should have been able arrive,a week before kick off and then hire all his own brand new coaching staff.
    Where is that ex W.P defence coach Nienaber,he is the only thing we need.
    As for J.P being disinterested,maybe there is a reason why.He is a quality player and would make most teams in the world even on current form.If we are to have a hope this year a way needs to be found to get him seriously interested.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.04.15 13:46:19 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 22) : Nienaber is with the Boks now I believe.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.04.15 13:48:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • [email protected]vanmartin (Comment 23) : Pity,
    Jerome Keino and George Smith are two guys who benefitted from time in Japan.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.04.15 13:50:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 11) : He was in Durban yesterday

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.04.15 14:07:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard (Comment 14) : I’m sorry that it’s come to this for you, but that was a great and very honest assessment. As you can probably tell from the tone of my writing, I’m also more than a little gatvol at the moment.

    Never stop loving or supporting the team, but I need them to stand up now.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.04.15 14:10:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Brother it hurts. Its not like I demand the trophy, but its getting to a point with all that’s happened at the Tank has reached a boiling point, I will never stop loving the team, I simply cannot, but right here, right now, I have had enough. Its like a promising child who can’t stop getting into trouble, you never stop loving them, but you stop liking them, you stop supporting them until they take it upon themselves to fix the mess they’ve made. I watched the last game at Ellis Park in absolute silence. I’m gutted. You and me both, gatvol sums it up.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.04.15 14:19:41 by Richard Reply

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  • I know – let’s paint a few statues, then all our problems will go away! ????

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.04.15 14:24:04 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 17) : Yep; hopefully they gain some parity of control for the remainder of the season and with a hard nose and a young squad start building toward the future. We are in a transition phase out with the old, in with the new. The Superstars never delivered, and we need a Lions type revolution of young bucks given their all for the jersey, the faithful, and the player next to them. I am my brother’s keeper, not my Puma endorsement is bigger than yours.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.04.15 14:27:46 by Richard Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 19) : Squire, time to do some hard graft and build for 2016 onward. For all I care, all these Superstars can be demoted to Vodacom Cup for the remainder of the season and give back to the Union the millions the Union has spent on them.
    If Gold believes in his management team, he must take the next generation of players and work with them right away, him and his team and start a new wave.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.04.15 14:29:36 by Richard Reply

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  • To add my 2c worth. If I were Gary Gold, I would rather play the long game by building a new team, than to try and rescue the current setup with uncommitted undisciplined supertars. That way he gives himself breathing room and if we do lose some he can always say its part of the rebuild and the longer term strategy.

    If he continues with these “superstar” guys he will be expected to deliver immediately as there is no excuse for a team boasting this many internationals to still be losing.

    As a shark fan I for one will have lot more patience with him if I know there is a long term strategy which involves producing young new, star players for next year or the year thereafter.

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.04.15 14:33:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Richard (Comment 29) : <—— Can someone please give this man a Bells!!! :mrgreen: 😉

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.04.15 14:39:15 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Richard (Comment 30) : Agreed. This SR season is basically a write-off in any case, so rather start focusing on next season or the CC. I do believe that we will start seeing an improvement already in the CC, as we will be without our “superstars”, and the other players will have had time to work with Gold. A lot of people are calling for his head already, but I’m prepared to give him a bit more time to prove himself.

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.04.15 14:45:59 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 32) : I second that! (One, no TWO Bells coming up!) 😮

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.04.15 14:47:02 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Guys I see a lot of us agree and have the same ideas/way forward and rather good ones at that.
    So surely if us as the supporters can think about theses things surely our big guns at the Sharks has to think along these same lines? Or are they being told what to do by the board? Or is it rather to try achieve the short term objectives (e.g. make play off at least) agreed upon in contracts when appointments was done not to get fired? So they are hell bent on getting that rather than doing things for the long term.
    Just asking :mrgreen: will be interesting to see what happens.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.04.15 14:48:28 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 34) : Lekker man – Lekker!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.04.15 14:49:09 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • I been saying this for a long time. Sharks needs to stop all Japan based players from playing. Either you in or you out, finished. Secondly Gold , just like his predecessors needs to be able to pick his own assistants.

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.04.15 15:14:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I think most of the anger on here comes from backing the wrong horse.
    Jake White took us to the conference title, built a great defensive system,and not a bad season,yet most on here couldn’t wait to see the back of him.Only reason being was he ran the team with an iron rod.
    To most on here anyone would have been a saviour,even Rudolph Strauelli,and when Gary Gold was resurrected from total obscurity it was vindication time.We would throw out everything Jake and go into this new free throwing the ball around game.
    Gary Gold was such a star that he only needed to arrive the week before the season to effect this miracle transformation.
    Bigger the fools you are for believing your own crap.It was never going to happen.
    When you have a core of players with enough influence to oust a World cup winning coach,what chance on a guy that wasn’t really big in Japan.He was chosen for all the wrong reasons.
    But I am still a fan will be in my seat on Saturday with my wife,where we have been for every home game for many ,many years.And I firmly believe we will win,and I will carry on believing till the whistle.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.04.15 15:31:22 by The hound Reply
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  • Could it be that these ‘superstars’ are all just scared of getting hurt prior to the RWC?

    I agree mostly and a lot of the evidence this year shows that the young guns at different provinces have been the ones performing.

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.04.15 15:40:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • WoooHaaa, nothing like kicking a guy (team)in the nuts when they are at their lowest point.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.04.15 15:41:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : You make it sound as though Sharksworld members have a say in the appointment of dismissal of coaches. Were that the case either John Mitchell or Jimmy Stonehouse, both disciplinarians of note, would probably be heading up the Sharks right now. If memory serves a lot of members on here did not agree with Jake’s gameplan and his stubbornness to rotate key players.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.04.15 15:41:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 41) :

    trust me .. you dont want Mitch to coach the sharks ..

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.04.15 15:49:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 35) : I think there are a lot of background politics and power struggles that we are not aware of. One of the reasons (apart from his personality) I think why a guy like John Mitchell would never have gotten or accepted the job even if the money was right.

    Gary is probably the most pliable coach at the moment who still has somewhat of an international reputation to fit the bill.
    The rest (including JW) would probably not take instruction or dominance of the senior board members as well or as easily.

    Maybe one of the reasons Johan Ackerman is as successful as he is could be because of the lack of this political climate or a lesser degree of one, and he is allowed more freedom. And maybe that area of disunity should be addressed long before the spotlights even get to player level. Just speculation though.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.04.15 15:55:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 43) : True – and we will never know what really is being said behind closed doors.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.04.15 16:00:09 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : What do you mean “even Straueli”. I will take him any day of the week, as a coach, an administrator or recruiter. Big mistake letting him go.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.04.15 16:02:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 41) : I just shake my head at all the guys here who keep on saying give Gold a couple of years,imagine what Jake could have done with another year.Also look at John Mitchell and the teams he left and how they came into their own a year or two later.Ackerman is reaping the fruit of Mitch’s labours.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.04.15 16:03:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : Change your name there is absolutely nothing SUBTLE about you.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.04.15 16:06:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : Problem is, you need Mitchel to leave before you reap the rewards.

    Jake White got us no further than Plumtree – at least under Plum we played a far more palatable brand of rugby than under White.

    If I wanted the Sharks to continue reaching the playoffs, Plum would have been my man…but it is time to build a TEAM able to win that illustrious SR title, not just once, but consecutively.

    Oh yeah, and don’t forget that with JW, you just absolutely never knew when he would drop you cold…and then we expect loyalty from our players. 🙄

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.04.15 16:09:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Schalk Burger is also playing good rugby after his Japanese stint.

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.04.15 16:09:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : By now I would just be happy with once.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.04.15 16:11:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : You may be misreading the comments. I for one am not saying he is the best option.
    I am saying that there seems to be other forces at work in the background that is preventing coaches JW,Gold etc. from being as effective as they could be and that we don’t know the struggles Gold may have in the background to just do his job, and build his own structures. Personally I think a firmer hand would do the sharks good Gary doesn’t seem to be that firm hand.

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  • @The hound (Comment 47) : 😆 :mrgreen: That was edited in there as a bit of a rev up after one post some time ago and I cant unedit it now.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.04.15 16:13:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Hey guys, can the negativity, Pokkel is trekking up from Newcastle for the game, dont dampen it in negativity 4 days before kick off.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.04.15 16:16:09 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 49) : Odds are more against them retaining form though. Schalk is in the minority. I must agree with everyone saying that Jap league does more damage than good. It’s like the aggression and edge is just gone once they get back. I would even bet a small amount that were Jacque Fourie inclined to sign with the sharks we would have seen a different player from the guy that played such a great game for the Lions.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.04.15 16:16:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : Plum had many seasons and he never did it,you judge Jake on a single season.
    I liked Plum thought he was a gentleman,but he never had the killer instinct .Too much of a nice guy.
    Having said that back in his own environment he could just win the Super series this year.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.04.15 16:16:56 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 50) : I’d hate for the Sharks to win the comp once…and then turn into the Reds 😯

    I do believe (hope, trust, wish) John is finally laying the necessary building blocks which had been missing all these years in order for our boys to finally be successful…Brian van Zyl was happy to truck along with a rickety system reliant on the buying of superstars.

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.04.15 16:18:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Was Jake actually fired or did he resign due to being unhappy with the setup?

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.04.15 16:18:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 52) : you want me to change it?

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.04.15 16:21:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 35) : @coolfusion (Comment 43) : Did someone mention multimillionaire board members……

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.04.15 16:22:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : Plum was never supposed to be anything other than assistant coach, head coach material he never was.

    He is proving his assistant quality at the Canes…as he did at the Sharks under Muir.

    And as I said, problem with White, we never really knew when he’d just bail on his DoR position, due to “personal” reasons.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.04.15 16:22:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 57) : you’ll never get a straight answer…. depends on which camp you’re in.

    My info says he was fired.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.04.15 16:25:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m not negative, I think being shown our unjustified reliance on these big names of yesteryear is actually a godsend. Now we can do what we should have done last season and the season before, already. Build the future sharks. We, and by we I mean the coaching and management staff, must now just be brave. Stick to their guns support the new talent and forge a new path.

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.04.15 16:25:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : Durban is as much Plums home environment as any other place on earth.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.04.15 16:27:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 59) : Good point…even if we are starting to sound like conspiracy nuts with all these theories.

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.04.15 16:30:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Sharks supporters are basically just full of crap, we win the conference and everyone moans, mind you we could have won the title last year and everyone would still be moaning about JW style of play.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.04.15 16:33:18 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : Ive grown used to it. Ill shout if it becomes a burden. So far only the Hound has told me to change it, now if Baldrick puts in an appearance and says the same I will really consider it.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.04.15 16:34:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 54) : I fully agree re not allowing these dual contracts, more players come back at another level than dont. We have been particularly unlucky with our crop.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.04.15 16:37:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : One would hope that John having played under three Bok coaching regimes, five Sharks coaching regimes, Saracens and Clermont would have some idea of what structure will work.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.04.15 16:38:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 66) : Baldrick?

    Shit, now that’s going back

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.04.15 16:38:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 65) : I said it last year many a time, I was glad for the wins under JW, but the rugby being played bored the hell out of me. I would still be glad for the wins today even though I wouldnt be watching most of the games.

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.04.15 16:42:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : I wish I had taken that name, wouldnt have minded Yossarian either.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.04.15 16:45:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 71) : Still take Major Major,or the Bombadier,then if you really are serious about being unsubtle Portnoy is a good one

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.04.15 16:53:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : 😉 Then it should be Portnoy for me.

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.04.15 16:56:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 73) : Just as long as you don’t go into character of the family roast chicken diner.

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.04.15 16:58:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 71) : there used to be a Yossarian. Wonder what happened to him.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.04.15 17:10:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : 😀

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.04.15 17:25:55 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 68) : It seems as though he is doing everything in his power to emulate Saracens … just the old boys fighting tooth and nail to see it fail (the Ollie le Roux’s of the Sharks).

    John’s transition planning however required far more planning than he seemed to realise….he knows better now. 😉

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.04.15 17:33:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 77) : Last time I looked Sarries were doing O.K. with a D.H.S. boy at the helm.
    Can’t quite workout who the” old boys fighting to see it fail” are.
    Who you talking about ?

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.04.15 17:42:12 by The hound Reply
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  • I actually believe that the guys running Sharks rugby are not innovative. We as fans are able to brainstorm strategies, simple logical ones I may add, which our guys can not even dream. Take a Jacque du Plessis for example. He was being paid R750k by the Bulls before by swooped by an overseas club. We all known that his value is more than R750k. If we were smart for example, we could offer such guys with proven talent, 20 to 30% more than what they are getting and a 5 year contract with the normal escalation clauses. Why must we continue paying a JPP for example the huge salary he gets when there is a hungry talented up and coming youngster in the country? There is that blonde hair try scoring machine in our Blitz Bokke team, if the guy wants to play 15 man rugby, why aren’t we giving him the package that a JPP or a Frans would get. Province produces backline stars every year. Those same stars run circles around our Vodacom sides…..why are we not recruiting them? Why do we continue to think that the same guys that can’t even smell a Vodacom cup final are going to miraculously be transformed players at SR level. We seem not to understand our weaknesses as a province.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.04.15 18:55:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @The hound (Comment 46) : As a matter of interest, how would you propose that the Sharks approach/resolve the current situation?

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.04.15 18:58:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 79) : Our problems run a little deeper than a lack of talented players.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.04.15 19:01:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 81) : Hence I am stating that our leadership seems clueless on how to run this union.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.04.15 19:09:35 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 82) : But you seem to be suggesting that buying players seems to be the answer? What am I missing?

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.04.15 19:32:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 78) : I meant Smit is having an uphill battle with the Sharks old boys, seemingly resisting his efforts to introduce Saracens style structures.

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.04.15 19:36:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 42) : yes I do

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.04.15 20:37:34 by benji Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 68) : you must be joking if you are referring to JS then you have more chance of meeting Moon Lizards in your garden,he is clueless

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.04.15 20:43:15 by benji Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 80) .
    The solution to all our problems is simple,we need to start winning.
    Whatever works is good and what ever doesn’t needs to go.
    We do not have the luxury of playing guys into form anymore.
    Guys come on here every week and say S.P wasn’t as bad as last week when he puts in a 75% shit performance,but hey last week it was 85% shit.
    One bad game and you should be gone,Murray,Stevens,S.P.,gone,
    This week put J.P and Kanko on the spot,perform or swing your hook.
    You need to earn the right to have a bad game,none of those five have the right to another bad game.

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.04.15 21:01:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 77) : @The hound (Comment 78) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 84) : why on this earth would you want Saracens structures ,rather develope Shark structures,what is the obsession with Saracens on this site

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.04.15 21:03:24 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 86) : @benji (Comment 86) :And you know this how?
    Funny I never saw you captain a World Cup winning team.
    You need to be really clueless to do that.

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.04.15 21:06:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 89) : yes and then single handed blow it for the Boks in next WC ,but let’s rather paly blame the Ref,that aside I agree with you on all of your comments above

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.04.15 21:40:38 by benji Reply
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  • If it doesn’t glitter, it aint gold.

    No track record of trophies to fall on. Nada, zilch, not even one over quite a lengthy career now.

  • Comment 91, posted at 14.04.15 22:57:07 by Feather Reply

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  • Saracen should want to emulate the Sharks FFS!

    ps “structure” is such an over played word in SA rugby. How come we never hear the kiwis, ozzies or any other nation use the word so much in a rugby context? Can just imagine Matfield say”we need to keep to our structure”

  • Comment 92, posted at 14.04.15 23:00:07 by Feather Reply

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  • Geez Rob did some one not comment on the loss of form of all the dual contracted players?!??!?! Serving two masters will never work!!!!!!

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.04.15 00:55:56 by JD Reply
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  • @Feather (Comment 91) : So he should fit in well a the Sharks then…no SR trophy for how many years already? 😉

    @Feather (Comment 92) : “structure” to my understanding is the backroom workings of the union…the foundation required to produce an habitual winning 80mins. every Saturday.

  • Comment 94, posted at 15.04.15 06:45:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 70) : I would much rather have boring rugby and win all the time vs the current state of affairs.

  • Comment 95, posted at 15.04.15 08:07:43 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 86) : I am saying he must have a wealth of experience (from a players point of view) of different setups. He always comes across as a pretty intelligent guy with good leadership qualities.

    The jury is still out whether he will be able to use that experience and build the Sharks setup into a more professional unit.

  • Comment 96, posted at 15.04.15 08:13:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 95) : Six of one and half a dozen of the other. At least Im not finding other things to do now as there is hope of something better to come, this may be false hope but I am willing to still give it time.

    Rugby as a whole must start pulling finger as fans are getting bored with what they are offering now. The empty stadiums attest to this.

  • Comment 97, posted at 15.04.15 09:06:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Excellent idea Rob, agree 100%

  • Comment 98, posted at 15.04.15 09:10:29 by stevovo Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 95) : Boring rugby has no entertainment value…so I can drop my dstv subscription, and just check the final score online – basically the way I watch soccer 😉

  • Comment 99, posted at 15.04.15 09:16:40 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 83) : It’s doing what is best for the Sharks. It’s talks to long term investments that are sustainable. Investing in players that have mixed loyalties to the Sharks does not translate to positive results on the field or as the headline suggests, total commitment on the field. So I am saying we should invest in other talent in the country for one.

  • Comment 100, posted at 15.04.15 09:34:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 100) : Do I see a petition in the making? ‘Invest in Willie’. 😉 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 101, posted at 15.04.15 10:04:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 100) : Understood. I think the tricky bit is how to go about determining which players will remain loyal in the longer term versus players who are simply in the squad to earn an additional paycheck (so to speak).

  • Comment 102, posted at 15.04.15 10:06:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : Happens to be the exact same way I started ‘watching’ soccer. At a point even that becomes too cumbersome and now I only check end of season table standings 😀

  • Comment 103, posted at 15.04.15 10:08:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • We really don’t need the players that are currently playing in Japan. We can build a team without them and be successful in the future in my opinion. What have JPP, Kankowski, Deysel and Steyn really offered us this season?

  • Comment 104, posted at 15.04.15 10:13:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 104) : Kanko has assisted a lot in the lineouts, but he has not done much else.

  • Comment 105, posted at 15.04.15 10:36:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 105) : He has been the best out of the four names I mentioned, in my opinion.

  • Comment 106, posted at 15.04.15 10:43:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 102) : I am a firm believer of being proactive. Approach the guys, understand what their long term plans are and what it will take for them to commit to us for 4 to 5 years. The contract can be for 2 and give us the right to extend for a further 2 years. This Japan thing isn’t working for me.

  • Comment 107, posted at 15.04.15 10:55:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

     

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