Conference winners decided

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Super Rugby on 13 Jun 2015 at 14:31
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While the Waratahs have now sealed their spots as winners of the Australian conference, the powers that be at SANZAR will be fervently holding thumbs that the Stormers – already confirmed as the best South African side – can pick up at least one log point in Durban this evening. That’s to ensure that a truly ignominious situation is averted – and a fair few blushes among the competition’s rule makers are spared.

As things stand at the moment, the seventh-placed Stormers will progress to the knock-outs in third place, courtesy of winning the overly-weak South African conference. Never before in the history of this rather strange competition has the conference system resulted in a team not in the top six when looking at log points progressed on the basis of conference position alone. In years gone by, there have been strange results, but it has always only affected the relative position of sides within the top six, rather than the composition of the top six itself.

2012’s finish raised an eyebrow or two, when the Sharks (who finished above the Reds on log points) were forced to play the Brisbane team away in the knock-out round, by virtue of the fact that the latter was the best-placed side in a poor Australian conference. Looking at points alone, though, the Reds would still have progressed to the knock-outs that year, in sixth place rather than third had the conference system not come into play.

The Stormers, in seventh place overall on 45 log points need just a single point from today’s encounter to end level with the 6th-placed Crusaders. Win number of wins over 16 rounds the first tie-breaking criterion, that would put the Stormers (10 wins) ahead of the Crusaders on the table. Of course, thanks to the current system, the Stormers will go through in third, regardless of the performance today. It would just feel a lot better for all involved, I’m sure, if they can at least argue they deserve the spot based on a higher log position than the Crusaders.

Who the hell came up with this crazy system anyway?


  • So the knock-outs are decided.

    Stormers v Burmbies in Cape Town
    Highlanders v Chiefs in Dunedin

    Tahs and Canes go straight through to semis.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.06.15 15:39:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • To be fair, I think bonus points can sometimes be a bit of a problem. Surely a team with 10 wins should always be above a team with 9 wins on a log table? As great as scoring tries is, I believe winning should be more important for log points.

    Maybe bonus points could be changed so that they only come into account when ranking teams with the same number of log points (based on wins and draws)?

    That would put the Stormers in 5th position. Still, the conference system is completely flawed!!! 😆

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.06.15 15:48:21 by SeanyJMc Reply

  • Also, I think it will be a bit of a travesty if the Hurricanes don’t win the competition now after being by far the best team in the competition.

    Much like the Sharks in 2007… 😳

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.06.15 15:51:38 by SeanyJMc Reply

  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 3) : Only if the refereeing was out of line otherwise I say the best team on the day are the Champs regardless of log history. Rugby, like battle is decided on the day.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.06.15 16:38:07 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 4) : The team that finishes first should be crowned champions. Like in the Premier League. But all the teams should play against each other.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.06.15 18:58:45 by Ben Reply
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  • And so SANZAR stands embarrassed at their stupid system lol.

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.06.15 21:04:15 by Stiko85 Reply

  • Yip…it really is a dumb, dumb system…

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.06.15 00:07:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • It is all a bit embarrassing for the South Africans isn’t it? Oh well, a world cup win will make that all better… 😯

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.06.15 00:08:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • It was SARU who insisted on the top teams from each country being assured a 1 -3 finish and a home play off, by the way.

    We always seem to be undone in the brain stakes it seems.

    Anyway, how embarrassing for the Stormers. I sincerely hope they lose next weekend because the Brumbies, who finished higher than them but still have to travel, deserve it more.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.06.15 03:21:27 by Feather Reply

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  • Okay I don’t hope that lol, I think it be funny if they go on to win the damn thing, then ud see the all blacks complain and moan lol.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.06.15 06:52:02 by Stiko85 Reply

  • The statement about an “Overly weak SA conference” is not accurate.

    The win and lose records in inter conference play were as follows:
    NZ: 27 and 13
    SA: 19 and 21
    AU: 14 and 26

    The over-all SA conference strength has not change much from last year when they were 20 and 20. Lower log points were due to more evenly matched teams. A good thing.

    The Australian conference was weakest, with their better teams benefiting from weak opponents and easier schedules.

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.06.15 13:17:14 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 11) : Interesting stats…thanks…

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.06.15 19:48:32 by pastorshark Reply
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