Bok start for Marcell

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 9 Jul 2015 at 05:54
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Heyneke Meyer has named his first Springbok match 23 of the season, with Sharks flanker Marcell Coetzee named to start at blindside flank in a rejigged loose trio.

Meyer hasn’t had the luxury of picking too much of his first choice selection, due mainly to injury. Beast Mtawarira and the du Plessis brothers start in the front row, with Eben Etzebeth and Victor Matfield (who captains) comprising the sort of tight five the coach would be likely to pick in a World Cup Final (if he gets there). The loss of Duane Vermeulen means a first start at 8 for Warren Whitely, while Coetzee will be asked to fill Willem Alberts’ typical role. Francois Louw is at openside flank.

Pat Lambie’s shares have fallen again while injured, meaning a return to the flyhalf berth for Handre Pollard, while Ruan Pienaar starts as his halfback partner. The midfield again looks rather experimental, with the in-form Damian de Allende finally picked in his best position (12) – although the form of regular captain Jean de Villiers lurking on the bench will mean de Allende has to play out of his skin to keep that spot. Jesse Kriel – usually a fullback – is a surprise pick at 13, his first start in that position at pretty much any level.

The good news is that JP Pietersen is back at his preferred position of right wing, completing a fantastically experienced back three with Bryan Habana and Willie le Roux.

Uncapped Pumas prop Vincent Koch is a newcomer on the bench, where he will join Bulls pair Adriaan Strauss and Trevor Nyakane as the front row reserves. Oupa Mohoje covers the second row, with Schalk Burger the loose forward replacement. Cobus Reinach and Lambie complete the 23, along with de Villiers.

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 HandrΓ© Pollard, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Marcell Coetzee, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield (captain), 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Teboho Mohoje, 20 Schalk Burger, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jean de Villiers.


  • Dont think Lambie has lost shares… just game time…

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.07.15 06:07:05 by catfish Reply
  • @catfish (Comment 1) : who knows. Pollard will bork it in a big game soon and then Pat will be back where he belongs.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.07.15 06:12:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Pollard is fair weather player. Lambie is the guy who can turn the tide. Looking at our bok coaching and game style I would say we are NOT in for fair weather in this rwc.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.07.15 07:31:05 by coolfusion Reply

  • Im really happy koch is getting a big chance. He has played better than malherbe

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.07.15 07:40:25 by Dunx Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Ha! My thoughts exactly.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.07.15 07:44:53 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Hate to mention it but I can see our politicians having a field day with this team make up.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.07.15 07:50:58 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • I really dont think too much should be read into this side. A LOT of players that HM would have liked to have picked are injured or carrying niggles. So having said that i like this team. I am a huge fan of playing your best players on the field, even if it means accommodating 1 or 2 in different positions. I like the loose trio combo and the bench option. I like that he went for a mobile lock reserve. I like that JPP is back on the wing- look at how the other sides are picking the bulk out wide…we cant be foolish and pick a midget there. The 3 things im looking for in this game- how well this combo defends, how well we execute our set pieces, and lastly how much does Victor actually play as opposed to talk to ref and his players.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.07.15 08:06:30 by SheldonK Reply

  • I am pretty excited to see how the combination of De Allende and Kriel works out.

    That is also a pretty speedy loose trio. Hopefully we adapt the game plan to use them properly, and don’t expect them to bash the ball up into a pack of defenders ad in finitum.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.07.15 08:27:45 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Seeing JPP back at wing for the Boks, where he belongs, makes the Shark’s decision to persist with him at 13 even more ludicrous. The only possible explanation that i could come up with for Gary Gold keeping JPP at 13 was that the Boks had asked for him to get time there.

    Now I dunno what to think.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.07.15 08:29:26 by jonnow Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : so Whtley is stuffed then |?

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.07.15 08:42:50 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 10) : How do u reckon that?
    I think Vermuelen is a big doubt and a risky option to take to WC now. But if he goes and is ok to play id have Louw,Vermuelen, Whitely as the loose trio. Vermuelen is a fantastic player but as an 8 he doesnt link with our backs very well- he plays like an SA 7. I like Burger/Coetzee off the bench- both would provide good impetus in 2nd half. Subs will play a huge role this WC

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.07.15 08:48:54 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : well yesterday HM said Spies is in the mix as a ball carrier .. im waiting for the Ozzie team announcement before i get excited

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.07.15 08:51:32 by Zibbie Reply
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  • At last some Bok news.

    I know this is a Sharks fan site but it being a WC year I hope we will see some WC and Springbok news on this site.

    A ‘not so subtle hint’ Rob! πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.07.15 08:52:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.07.15 08:54:34 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : You forget The Morne Steyn is also in the picture. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.07.15 08:57:40 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 12) : I have no problem with Spies carrying the balls from the team bus to the training ground, the management team have a lot on their plate so delegating a bit is fine with me.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.07.15 09:11:00 by SheldonK Reply

  • I pity the fool who would select a player in a position he has not played any senior rugby in!

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.07.15 09:12:13 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Also quote form the same fool “Lambie and Pollard could start the same game, Lambie at 15” So yea more of that shit coming our way.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.07.15 09:13:19 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I hope Bakkies starts for the world XV and that he comes to play,I am keen to see how Mattfield and Ethebeth face up to some serious aggresion.
    I found Ethebeth very timid in that disgraceful Brumbies playoff game,and put that down to the absence of Vermullen
    Mattfield needs to prove that he has it in him to last the full World Cup.He is going to have a massive influence on the entire team.He will be the unofficial,or official captain,and he needs to man up and start showing his worth on the field.
    He needs to start playing a John Eales,Martin Johnson role,first in, last out, or else get out the way and let somebody else do it.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.07.15 09:15:14 by The hound Reply
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  • Have you guys seen this:

    Playing for the KZN u/16 team….
    “Young JJ vd Mescht, one of our u16 Coca Cola Grant Khomo players, is an impressive 2.01m and 115kg” 😯

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.07.15 09:16:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 18) : Unless I am mistaken Lambie was injured again yesterday,gash on his forehead that needed stitches,strange no mention of it here.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.07.15 09:17:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 21) : From what I know he was injured in the training before the team was selected, I did mention it on the “half backs” thread. I would presumed he was passed fit cause he is on the team sheet. I may be wrong though.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.07.15 09:20:39 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : “Same height has victor and 5kg’s heavier” I want to know what is in the water where ever he comes from?

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.07.15 09:25:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 17) : Would you have preferred he picked JPP at 13? Clearly he doesnt think mapoe is up to it or has a niggle. So besides Kriel? @Seth101 (Comment 18) : Id have no problem with HM picking Pollard,Lambie, Le Roux in the same starting matter where they played

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.07.15 09:28:54 by SheldonK Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : Put a ring on it, Sharks! NOW!! Sign him for life!

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.07.15 09:34:40 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Every time I hear kriel I get upset. How could we have lost him? And to bulls no less? John should really try get him back before bulls piss him off and he goes overseas.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.07.15 09:37:46 by coolfusion Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : De Jong, Mapoe, JPP, Sbu, JJ Engelbrecht. All options of players who have actually played center. And yea I know JJ is playing for the barba’s but I doubt he would be if he was in contention for a bok spot.

    So screw the fact that everyone and their mother know that Lambie is a flyhalf, lets play him out of position because HM wants to play his favorites? Pollard has done absolutely nothing to impress me in the Bok jersey or the Bulls jersey for that matter. He did well playing for U20s and that’s all.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.07.15 09:42:49 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Imagine Jordaan,Ungerer, Lambie, Kriel, Sithole, mvovo ,le roux, with reserves in Williams , Joe Pietersen and Esterhuizen ,Wandile

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.07.15 09:43:47 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 26) : The Bulls signed him as a kid, they have got him into junior bok and now senior bok sides…lots of game time in this years super rugby. I cant see him being too unhappy bout that. Better luck trying to get his brother Daniel who hasnt had much of a look in.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.07.15 09:43:50 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : Where is his brother playing? Also what happened to Jaco v Tonder? He seemed promising.?

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.07.15 09:44:55 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 26) : They made him a better offer, simple as that. Players who come to durban (or stay) do so because they want to play for the Sharks, clearly for them the big offer was worth more than playing for us.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.07.15 09:46:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Kriel played 13 for the Baby Boks last year no? Looked pretty good there – although obviously there’s quite a step up now…

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.07.15 09:47:37 by JR Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 27) : Dejong,Sbu,JJ not in the Bom squad so cant even enter the discussion. HM would be abused from all corners if he picked JPP at 13. Did Sbu even play a game at 13 this Super rugby? Only guy that should be a little aggrieved is Mapoe. Lambie has had a serious neck op, then the min he gets on the field he gets sent off for stitches etc. So to start him at 10? I know he is a Sharks fav but lets be a bit realistic. Im still waiting for someone to prove to me why Pollard,Lambie,LeRoux cant start together…also waiting for proof that Sithole is a better 13 than wing.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.07.15 09:48:40 by SheldonK Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 30) : Also with the Bulls. Funnily enough when I was at school with them, Dan was much bigger and by far the better player.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.07.15 09:49:01 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 30) : His brother has been in Bulls Vodacom Cup side, playing for Tuks etc. So just outside the top group. Van Tonder is out injured- broken leg i think or is it a knee…somethign thats kept him out for rest of reason

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.07.15 09:51:05 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : So because HM is to dumb to select them for the squad they aren’t good enough? They should be in the squad, at least one of them, and yes starting ahead of a player WHO HAS NEVER PLAYED SENIOR RUGBY IN THAT POSITION!.

    I didn’t say Lambie should be starting? I said I don’t want to see him played at fullback. Let him recover, give him second half game time and then start him.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.07.15 09:52:03 by Seth101 Reply
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  • This is definitely one of Meyer’s less conservative squad selections so let’s at least give the guy some credit. My biggest concern in that backline is Pienaar at 9. If he’s off, as he’s often prone to be, the backs are going to see little quality ball and witness a number of ill-conceived box kicks.

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.07.15 09:53:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 31) : 1.93 meters can he catch a ball run an angle and straighten a line? We need a good inside Centre option since most think Heimar too small.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.07.15 09:56:04 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 36) : Look i terms of Lambie-id rather see him at 15 than bench put it that way. ID prefer him and Pollard 10/12 but hey its not my fantasy team. The chances DeJong and JJ have had at test level have shown they not good enough. So a couple half decent performances in a super rugby game means they good enough? Id rather look at other options. The same argument should then be because Louw is starting at 7 but plays 6 regularly and hardy ever 7. Also nobody seems fussed that the lock reserve Mahoje has hadly played rugby this year nevermind none at lock.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.07.15 09:56:43 by SheldonK Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 38) : I haven’t seen him play in a while, I was at jnr school with them so lets be honest a lot has changed lol. But yea he definitely is a solid runner, Heimar imo is a 13 not a 12.

    @SheldonK (Comment 39) : Playing Lambie at 15 you’re not going to get the best out of him, and imo when fit he is much better than Pollard so that is where he should play.

    “at test level have shown they not good enough” I disagree, actually rated JJ when he played, and when last did Dejong get a chance at test level? “half decent performances in a super rugby game means they good enough” well apparently it means Jessie is good enough? The 6 and 7 thing is because of injury, and i’m sorry to say but Mahoje is quota.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.07.15 10:03:49 by Seth101 Reply
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  • 15 Delon Armitage,
    14 Lachlan Turner,
    13 JJ Engelbrecht,
    12 Maxine Mermoz,
    11 David Smith,
    10 Mike Harris,
    9 Luke Burgess
    8 Luke Whitelock
    7 Steffon Armitage,
    6 Jordan Taufua,
    5 Bakkies Botha (C),
    4 Ali Williams,
    3 Hayman,
    2 Burden,
    1 Gurthro

    Reserves: David Roumieu, Alexandre Menini, Petrus du Plessis, Flip Van der Merwe, Louis-Benoit Madaule, Machenaud, Horrell, Wulf

    Not a bad side

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.07.15 10:12:20 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 40) : With LeRoux playing 15 we will take the ball as first receiver probably more often than why cant Lambie emulate that? Or play play Pollard 12 and Lambie 10 if the number on the jersey is important. JJ at test level- great on attack-well if he caught it…but like DeJong his defense was nowhere in a tight game. HM is taking a gamble with Kriel- i think he likes him as a player so trying to fit him in..and in a a non-test match environment. U cant compare Kriel with DeJong and JJ…Kriel hasnt played test rugby so no ide ahow he will fare. The others have played and already come up short. We have asked HM to pick guys on form…and yet we moan about the 1 guy he actually has picked on form. Should we not be complaining more about guys like JPP who has looked half asleep? Habana who has been diving around France, Mahoje who hasnt played lock in a year, the sharks front row who have been pretty poor…for me let Kriel play and Pollard start at 10- there are other bigger worries

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.07.15 10:12:59 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 41) : The downfall of that side will be at 10- mike harris is not the best there. Rest of that side is quality. So if ever a time for JJ to put his hand up…well if he gets the ball

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.07.15 10:14:35 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : That is just dumb South African rugby mentality, if you have a fullback who is playing more like a flyhalf then the flayhalf, THEN PLAY HIM AT FLYHALF!!! When last did you see the likes of Izzy Dagg standing at first receiver? Take a look at the PSDT thread, me and Salmonoid had a go at JPP for a while. Your right there are plenty of holes in the side, That is why I have a hatred for HM and the SA rugby style in general. I will happily take a bet with anyone that will not win the world cup.

    @SheldonK (Comment 43) : The Barbas sides never gel, even the best plays look pretty average when they mixed together without any chance to play together. So sure he could put his hand up, but I wouldn’t hold it against him if he never.

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.07.15 10:25:24 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 44) : Agree reg the BaaBaas- interesting that a lot of this side is Toulon based so they could gel…i just think Harris at 10 is a solid player but nothing special. In terms of LeRoux taking the ball at first receiver- that is how he plays..would we rather not pick him then? We have vastly different players to NZ so why compare ourselves to them in every instance. The reason they win is the conditioning of their players that allows them to do the good things right more often than the other teams. If you tired you make mistakes…and thats what costs the Boks against NZ every time.If was a defense coach and knew that the Boks could either have Pollard, Lambie or LeRoux taking the ball as first receiver…how would i go about defending that as they all offer something different.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.07.15 10:32:15 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : I compare to them because they are the best side in the world. I’m sorry but I disagree completely, no amount of fitness is going to make up for a second rate game plan. They play much more open, much more creative and much expansive rugby then us. Could it be argued that this team selection is more geared towards that? Sure. But trying to achieve something new the year of the world cup is just dumb and will never work. NZ players are trained to play like that from school, ours are trained to be big bruisers, nothing is going to change anytime soon.
    In my opinion, when fit Lambie is the best all round flyhalf in the country and that is hy he should start there, when fit.

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.07.15 10:40:36 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : What is your opinion of Lambie at 10 and Pollard at 12?

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.07.15 10:51:18 by swan Reply

  • @swan (Comment 47) : Why? Why play players out of position just to have them on the field? Play the best player in each position.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.07.15 10:54:34 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @swan (Comment 47) : I would go for that. Lambie pollard could be a Mort lock Giteau type combo.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.07.15 10:55:11 by coolfusion Reply

  • I think pollard should have played at inside center a lot more. But you are right there are better guys than him at 12, just would be great to have 3 educated boots on the field at 1 time. Gives us great coverage of most kicking angles.

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.07.15 10:57:15 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 46) : Fair point regarding game plan…but as a coach u can only pick a game plan your players can handle. SA players cannot play like NZ as they not close to being fit enough. Yes i think Lambie when fit and firing should be the 10…but then id have Pollard next to him with Serfontein at 13. LeRoux on the wing with Kriel at 15. …if only

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.07.15 10:57:52 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 48) : Im very curious to hear your thoughts on why play a guy only in the position he plays and rather have a better overall playing on bench or sitting out? Yes obviously u cant play a loose forward as a prop but so far as possible i still believe the best players on the field will yield the best results…especially the way the game is played today

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.07.15 11:00:59 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : You would see a lot of creative tries using boot and pass that way. I would however put de Allende in over serfontein.

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.07.15 11:01:54 by coolfusion Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : I believe the best player in the country in each position should represent their country. If a player was good enough to play for the Boks in a different position then surely that should be the position he plays all the time?

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.07.15 11:07:36 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : For me its always about options. Defenses are very good these days so variety is king. I have a slight question mark over DeAllende’s defense…but if i had to pick today he wud be over Serfontein

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.07.15 11:07:58 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 54) : no fair and that is solid thinking. Take this situation for my argument…both Kriel and Leroux play 15 for their club teams. only 1 can play for Boks. But LeRoux can def play wing…do you only pick 1? or pick both but LeRoux on the wing eventhough in his club side he is no.1 fullback but still offers more at wing than others playing wing?

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.07.15 11:11:13 by SheldonK Reply

  • It’s all just pipedream though. 2 things I know about Meyer 1 he cannot think outside the box. 2 he will never let go of crashball rugby so the big bruisers no matter how thick they are will always win out over versatile and tactical players.

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.07.15 11:16:51 by coolfusion Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : If LeRoux is better then all the players who actually play wing, or if he offers more benefits than other wings could then sure. But then you need a coach who has no bias at all and selects 100% one merit, that’s definitely not what we have at the moment.

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.07.15 11:16:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 57) : This

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.07.15 11:17:47 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 23) : @Another Nick (Comment 25) : Imagine having to tackle that mammoth as a 16 year old laaitie 😐

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.07.15 11:18:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) : I broke my collar bone and was never able to play rugby again after running into a 105kg 16 year old, trust me I don’t need to imagine πŸ˜† πŸ™„

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.07.15 11:23:45 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 61) : Which is why Naas (and MornΓ©, and Matfield) avoided contact for all those years….career longevity πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.07.15 11:28:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 58) : Yeh look forget current coach situation, altho i dont think any coach is not biased. Everyone has his favourites or players he trusts. Ok so then there are times where playing your best players even if slightly out of position has merit

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.07.15 11:29:07 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 61) : Coenie Oosthuizen?? he was over 120kgs as a schoolboy

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.07.15 11:29:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 41) : Bakkies Botha as captain…and I thought we were stuck with the sucky captain

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.07.15 11:29:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : πŸ˜† , Well now you know why I hate these damn coaches who teach us youngsters to run at the player rather than the gap πŸ˜‰ , if you’re not a genetic freak you just end up in pain πŸ™„

    @The hound (Comment 64) : I was at school a lot more recently than Coenie was, but yea there were a few of those, amazing how often they turn out to be not very good players when everyone starts to get closer to their size.

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.07.15 11:33:55 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : I also think Meyer sees some of the Milner Skude type player in Kriel.Not just a bash up centre but some one with a little creativity.
    Willie offers the same, and so does Kolbe,but Kolbe hasn’t the physicality at this level.

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.07.15 11:34:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 65) : I want to see Victor and Bakkies get in a huge fight Ice Hockey style, where they throw down the ‘gloves’ and rumble while everyone cheers in a cricle πŸ˜† but maybe that’s just me 😳

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.07.15 11:36:55 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : I would concur. HM is looking for something different. Your thoughts on Nick Mallets suggestion Kolbe move to scrumhalf?

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.07.15 11:37:20 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : What create another Renarch/Houghaard hybrid who doesn’t know if he’s a wing,a full back or a scrum half.
    I always believe that you can’t teach a scrum half,the best operate on pure instinct.It is a specialised position and most of the best with one notable exception ,Joost ,could never play anywhere else.
    If Kolbe was meant to be a scrum half he would already be one.

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.07.15 11:43:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 68) : Oh no, I’m also hoping for that…maybe Matfield tries his PSdT stunt on Bakkies…Bakkies gets banned for life (in his last game), and Matfield re-retires.

    A fitting end for two legends.

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.07.15 11:46:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 70) : Renarch has always played 9?

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.07.15 11:47:50 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 48) : Thank you and that’s how you win a RWC

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.07.15 11:48:49 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 70) : Fair comment. I feel that Kolbe will at best be a super rugby player at 15 or wing. at 9…hmm mayb a shot at the Boks-depending how good he is there.

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.07.15 12:13:24 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : I think he could win us a gold medal in the Olympics playing 7’s,

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.07.15 12:27:40 by The hound Reply
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  • Rob heard that young prop who went to NZ is on his way back but not to the Sharks to another province, any truth to this?

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.07.15 12:29:44 by Rugbymadness Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 75) : Both him ad Senatla

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.07.15 12:33:44 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : I ‘d also consider Jesse Kriel

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.07.15 12:41:54 by The hound Reply
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  • Kolbe should have moved to the bulls and play scrumhalf for them. That would get him in selection.

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.07.15 13:02:14 by coolfusion Reply

  • Eish I hope the Sharks wake up to this player, Under 16 and he is a giant and from Natal , also he is said to be very athletic,

    Our u16 Grant Khomo team have performed really well this year with a second victory against WP (19-17) on Tuesday.

    Interesting fact: Young JJ vd Mescht, one of our u16 Coca Cola Grant Khomo players, is an impressive 2.01m and 115kg, making him the same height as Victor Matfield, but 5kg heavier.

    Good luck to all our teams playing over the next two days:
    KZN Grant Khomo u16 vs Golden Lions- Thursday, 13h30
    KZN u18 Academy vs Boland- Thursday, 08h45
    KZN CD vs Border- Thursday, 11h25
    KZN Ladies u18 vs EP- Friday, 12h00

    This kids pic is on FB, eish!!!

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.07.15 16:44:51 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Here is a FB link, just scroll down a few posts.

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.07.15 16:46:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Must say I like the look of the loose trio!!! Really hope that’s the way it stays!!!

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.07.15 17:44:15 by JD Reply
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  • Good luck to our Cell C Sharks U21 team who take on WP U21 on Saturday July 11th at
    14h30. 15- Kelvin Elder
    14- Nkululeko Mcuma
    13- Nkululeko Marwana
    12- Sandile Kubeka
    11- Marcel Coetzee
    10- Riaan O’neill 9- Rowan Gouws
    8- A-yron Schramm
    7- Johan Du Toit
    6- Graham Geldenhuys
    5- Jean Drotse
    4- Hyron Andrews 3- Ruan Kramer
    2- Christopher De Beer
    1- Barend Potgieter Replacements:
    16- Andrew Du Plessis
    17- Mzamo Majola
    18- Thomas Du Toit
    19- Daniel Du Preez
    20- Retief Marais
    21- Lotter Pretorious
    22- Sipho Mkhize

    is sipho mkhize related to cedric, From back in the day ?

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.07.15 17:51:09 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 83) : What worries me from that team select is seeing the Names of D du Preez and Thomas du Toit there, these players having to play junior ranks whilst we keep selecting pensioners is just another reason they leave to go play elsewhere, Unless Gold is letting them have game time whilst the CC has not started?

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.07.15 18:41:22 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 84) : Thomas du Toit is working on a switch back to TH and needs game time. He is selected as a TH replacement (18) after a hard junior world cup also playing TH. He will play plenty in the Currie Cup, the only other TH we have in the CC squad is Adriaanse. I’m sure Dan will get plenty CC game time as well.

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.07.15 20:28:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 84) : sorry to say but I’m glad they’re playing age group rugby. Thomas should play there whilst adapting to tight head. As for the du Preez brothers think their dad will rather have them play age group rugby.

  • Comment 86, posted at 09.07.15 20:33:33 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 85) : @JD (Comment 86) : I know and understand all that, I however also understand players get itchy when not getting the chances they think they deserve, also remember Thomas has been playing SR and CC, I would hate to see him lose faith, not saying he will just being cautious.

  • Comment 87, posted at 09.07.15 21:27:13 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 84) : I hear where your coming from, but that doesnt bother me so much, their too very young promising players, they havent been over played, and they could do with abit of match practice while the cc has started just yet, I like it if the twins hqd decent game time in both the CC and u21 cc

    few things dd catch my eye though. Hydron Andrew is running out at 4 not 5, which is cool,iv seen us do ths wit lewies as well, i even thing tht even though lewies is now our future at 5 now wit psdt gone, tht maybe the coaching staff were thinking of making lewies and psdt a lethal combo, would have been awesome. On hyron, he as tons of potential but still need to grow and bulk up abit, hos very young though so we shudnt rush him and cause injury worries, def our future thay kid

    another thing that caught my eye was psdt’s bro starting a 7, havent seen him play yet, is this game on super sport ?

    Otherwise,wit guys like majola, kramer and potgiether cominh through at prop in a few yrs, maybe its not such weak spot for us

    I hope Rob reads this and has answer for me abt mkize

    exciting times ahead

    just sucks tht theirs no newlands round robin game for us cpt supporters, guess we’l see the sharks in the semi/final

  • Comment 88, posted at 09.07.15 22:06:16 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @sharks_lover (Comment 87) : i would hope thomas is mature enough to understand the reasoning and the process

    and im sure the coaching staff layed out the plan for him going forward, kids going to be a monster at test level

    its in no way shape or form a demotion

  • Comment 89, posted at 09.07.15 22:09:00 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @sharks_lover (Comment 87) : We need to only consider the pushing of PSdT into senior rugby – had him on crutches more than on the field.

    I think most forward players need to finish their age group rugby before being promoted to the rigors of senior rugby.

    In saying that, I would love nothing more than to see Thomas play senior rugby, but not if it means he is injured for most of the season.

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.07.15 06:28:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • So Deans had a conversation with Gert Smal with the latter hopeful he would take the Stormers job. Deans turned it down and in confirming this to the press also ruled out any other South African job.

    So no Deans for the Sharks. We can put his name to bed.

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.07.15 07:13:42 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Deans also reckons the Stormers will win Super rugby someday.


  • Comment 92, posted at 10.07.15 07:15:51 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 83) : I don’t believe so. Mkhize is a very common Zulu surname

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.07.15 08:09:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 90) : Big generalisation it has more to do with the personal maturity of the player than his age.
    Os duRand ,Springbok at 22,World Cup winner 23,World Cup winner 35.
    Michael Hooper Wallaby 21,Wallaby captain 23.
    Frans Steyn,J.P.P,World Cup winners 21.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.07.15 08:53:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 94) : I’m talking about SA forwards specifically…OS started during the amateur era.

    When a 20 year old is coached to run-over/bash-through a fully fit 28 year old forward, and he does that countless times in every single game, how long do you think his young body will withstand the punishment?

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.07.15 09:06:56 by FireTheLooser Reply


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