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Lambie backed for BA revenge mission


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 12 Aug 2015 at 08:47
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Heyneke Meyer, in a move that many might consider shutting the stable door three years after the last horse has died, has finally entrusted Pat Lambie with the Springbok flyhalf jersey for Saturday’s second Argentine test in Buenos Aires.

A huge public outcry, after Meyer became the first coach in history to lose a test against Argentina last week, seems to have swayed the selection to an extent, with Lwazi Mvovo also afforded a rare start at wing.

Victor Matfield is back to lead the side – he replaces Lood de Jager (who conveninetly picked up an injury in training) – while an all-new (and all-Bulls) front row of Trevor Nyakane, Adriaan Strauss and Marcel van der Merwe will start the match. Willem Alberts replaces injured Marcell Coetzee in the fifth change to the pack.

Zane Kirchner replaces Willie le Roux at fullback, with Jesse Kriel shifting back to outside centre to allow Mvovo a shot at right wing. Lambie’s elevation ahead of hHandre pollard is teh final change to the starting team.

South Africa: 15, Zane Kirchner 14, Lwazi Mvovo, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damien de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Schalk Burger, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Heinrich Brussow, 5 Victor Matfiel (captain), 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Marcel van der Merwe, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Tendai Mtawariwa, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Handre Pollard, 23 Jan Serfontein.

Also travelling to Argentina: Bismarck du Plessis, Steven Kitshoff, Siya Kolisi, Rudy Paige, Elton Jantjies


275 Comments

  • Still no love for the Lions,would have liked to have seen Mvovo at FB with Mapoe on the wing. But correct me if I am wrong, Zane has been playing well in Europe? At least Pats playing FH, so I can actually support them.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.08.15 08:49:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Now the Boks will win by 50pts cause Lambie is playing right? With that loose trio and Pienaar i feel for the quality of ball Lambie will be getting. Alberts will def be off the pace and Brussouw has been a passenger in last couple games so good luck Schalk, its not like Matfield will be throwing himself into rucks to get the ball.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.08.15 08:52:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I read the HM contact has already been extended to 2019 WC…. Not sure if I am too happy with this. But who else is there to take his place?

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.08.15 08:53:11 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 1) : Kirchner has been playing well for Leinster. Clearly Mapoe and Whitely have been deemed surplus to requirements. I would have thought Kitshoff would have replaced Beast on the bench. Interested to see how PSDT goes at flank as Alberts def wont last the full game

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.08.15 08:54:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Pat starts!! Happy days!! 😛 😛 AND at 10 nonetheless! Would have liked to see Mvovs at 15 with Hendicks or Mapoe on wing.. but hey, who cares.. PAT STARTS!

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.08.15 08:54:43 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 3) : Ackers?

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.08.15 08:55:09 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 6) : Ackers does well in his environment where he can fly under the radar, being Bok coach is a very very different job

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.08.15 09:05:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : He did well at flank for the Junior Boks. Hope Eben can lift him for this game. With Lood not available and Alberts just back from injury, we are short on agro in that pack.

    Would have preferred Mapoe on the bench rather than Serfontein.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.08.15 09:07:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : Yes. Have to agree with you

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.08.15 09:13:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 9) : Down playing because you don’t want to lose him 😉 😆

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.08.15 09:14:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : True, yes. But I like what he has done at the Lions with a bunch of “no names”, and the way players respect him. Their style of rugby is also appealing.

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.08.15 09:14:46 by Another Nick Reply

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  • I swear I have never seen Durban as united in goal as when they were chanting for Lambie.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.08.15 09:22:33 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 11) : Yes he has done very well at the Lions but coaching ‘no names’ is very different to coaching highly paid top professionals with egos etc. The way you relate to them is very different. Leave Ackers at the Lions and if anything maybe use him as a Bok assistant. also think John Dobson at WP is a very good coach- and Gert Smal is def signing some grunt up front. The Bulls will be interesting under Nollis Marais- also a good coach wanting to play attractive rugby

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.08.15 09:27:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 8) : As i said i think PSDT is a good lock but the way he is looking to play the game lately is more like a flank. So will be interesting to see how he goes there. With Ebe/Lood at lock, PSDT/Coetzee/Carr/Whitely at loose forward, Faf De Klerk/Reinach and Lambie/Pollard at halfback, DeAllende/Kriel/Serfontein at centre, Mvovo/Combrinck/Senatla/Mapoe at wing and Leroux/Frans Steyn at 15 we have youngsters good enough to take us to next RWC. Obviously some will come and go and other add to the mix.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.08.15 09:32:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 12) : Gave me goosebumps!!

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.08.15 09:33:29 by Another Nick Reply

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  • I’m one of the folks that doesn’t mind seeing Lambie play fullback for the Boks so this not an attempt at advanced excuse making. Bear with me to the end of this post if you will.

    I’m afraid he’s facing a mountain of a task ahead of him starting at flyhalf. Brand new front row, Eben and the loose trio disappearing in the last game, Pienaar’s dodgy service and the team playing in Argentina… I’m afraid Lambie’s being setup for failure. At least if he started at fullback in previous games he’d have some game time under his belt by now instead of the 10 odd minutes here and there.

    I guess this is one of my mine gripes with Meyer’s approach to the team. By all means use experience but give your backups enough time too so that they don’t face situations like these. I really think Meyer’s undoing to date is bench management and a poor rotation policy. If the excuse is player fitness, send them to the CC but don’t try and play them into fitness in an international match.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.08.15 09:35:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : Fact of a matter is we won’t know whether a coach is good or capable at international level until given a chance. Heyneke has 3 SR titles, we thought he was going to be good. We gave him a chance. And results thus far? Bloody awful to say the least.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.08.15 09:36:13 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 15) : It’s a feeling you can’t really describe. I was also watching Lambie’s face during the whole game while he sat on the bench and he looked down right miserable.It must be crap knowing you can do so much better than the plonker who gets a start ahead of you.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.08.15 09:43:10 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 17) : That is a fair point. All im saying is that doing well in a CC and decent in Super rugby doesnt mean u will get success at International level, especially in SA. Bok coach is a very difficult job. Im not having a go at Ackers as i think he is creating good players at the Lions and I hope he continues to do so for the betterment of SA rugby, but its ‘easy’ for him to get Lions players to buy into his thinking and game plan and conditioning etc. Its a lot trickier at bok level when you have very little contact with players spread all over the world. Thats why Bok assistant coaches need to be better i believe as i dont think they are adequately helping Meyer…or maybe they are and he is saying not do it my way. Hard to judge if you not at practice.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.08.15 09:44:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This is such a desperate last gasp,this guy has now emptied his cupboard,last game before the World Cup.Only surprise is that Spies and Morne are not in the team.
    Maybe he’s holding them back hoping Lambie and Alberts crash and burn.
    I cannot believe that we have gone back to Sideshow Bob,and for everyone who says how good he has been in Europe,Ruan has been better there ,and look how shite he is.
    Marcel van der Merwe was puffin like a train last week he is seriously unfit,as is Nyakanne.Straus hasn’t put in a decent performance since the Argies grabbed his nuts.
    I would have loved to see Rudy Paige play with Pat.I think a lot of Pollard’s problems last week were caused by the ponderous service he got from Pienaar
    This should have been a game where you could experiment and fine tune,instead it is a desperate win at all costs game.
    We could have tried Kriel at 15 ,Mapoe at centre,Faf at 9,PSDT on the flank,

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.08.15 09:50:06 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : You might have hit the nail on the head there. Maybe keep HM but give him better quality of assistant coaches, maybe someone like Plum for forwards coach and any one other than Ricardo Loubsher for backline coach.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.08.15 09:51:25 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I’m happy with Lambie at 10, but guaranteed, “…it was always part of the plan…” 🙄

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.08.15 09:53:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Rumour has it that Heyneke Meyer is about to have his contract as Bok coach renewed for an additional four years. Let’s just dwell on that for a minute.

    So the only coach in the last 12 years to have not won any silverware whatsoever, the coach who has only managed to beat the All Blacks once in four years (and that only due to an iffy last minute penalty), the only coach to have ever lost to Argentina (and that on home ground), the coach who presided over a drop in world rankings from 2 to 5, the coach with no meaningful transformation record to speak of, is going to have his contract extended!? Way to go for winning the public trust, SARU!

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.08.15 09:55:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 23) : well put.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.08.15 09:57:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 23) : Not rumor, pretty much confirmed, and it’s not going to be renewed, it has been.

    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/saru-extends-meyers-contract

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.08.15 09:57:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 21) : We always look at the top guy but as anyone in business knows its your workers that actually get the good job done. And fear this is the Sharks problem too…not good enough ass. coaches working daily with the players. For instance do we really think Meyer does handling skills with the Bok backline? No thats Loubsher…o when our handling and running lines are shite…should we not be looking to Loubsher. Yes Meyer overseas so partly to take responsibility much like a company CEO would. Same applies to the Bok players binding at scrum time…is that Bok ass. coach responsibility or something that provincial coach should be rectifying?

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.08.15 10:03:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 23) : Im NOT saying Hyneke Meyer is the best coach in the world BUT..which other coaches do you see lining up and asking for the Bok job like they do for the NZ, Eng job etc? Coaching the Boks is a mountain of admin and you have a million different parties to please. You think any good ‘coach’ wants to deal with all that when he can go to a side and just coach there and not have all the ‘other stuff’. The Bok head coach needs to be a politician. His assistants can be coaches.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.08.15 10:06:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : I agree with your statement, but that just makes me believe that Heyneke is a piss-poor coach, manager and politician. He chose his own assistants, has had to deal with way less flak than his predecessors, and yet he has delivered orders of magnitude less.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.08.15 10:16:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 26) : Seriuosly do you really think that at Springbok level,the players need a coach to teach them handling and binding.
    A coach ‘s main function is to create one team out of 15 individuals,successful coaches manage this,unsuccessful ones don’t.
    Kitch Christie managed that,Jake White brought in Eddie Jones to help him manage that,and Pieter de Villiers beg John Smit to come back and help him achieve that.
    Meyer has never succeeded in doing that,He has filled the team with relics who rather than unite the team,have split it.
    Imagine if you were Lionel Mapoe and played the season he just played and you were shoved aside for that broken down cart horse de Villiers,who spent his entire time on the field trying to avoid injury and then actualy achieved it.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.08.15 10:23:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 29) : The way Mapoe feels it exactly how school children feel when they not selected for the Natal age group teams, when the trails are just there for the show and the teams were actually already selected at Glenwood the week before.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.08.15 10:30:26 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 28) : Yes he hasnt been successful. A lot of factors contribute to it. my pint was there doesnt seem to be too many keen to do the job. Yes i think Chester Williams wants it…but um ya

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.08.15 10:36:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 30) : Ha Ha sounds like personal experience.Ask Marcell Coetzee.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.08.15 10:39:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : Well, Chester did score 4 tries vs. Samoa in the ’95 world cup…he’s definitely the man for the job 😈

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.08.15 10:40:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @The hound (Comment 29) : No i dont think the fundamentals should be taught at Bok level. My pint is perhaps the Bok assistants who work on the scrums, lineouts and backline moves arent the best- yes Meyer picked them and perhaps thats his error. Every single coach has his favourites no matter what…even NZ- Beaudon Barratt and Lima Sopoaga were the 2 best 10s in Super rugby…how much game time have they had? If that was SA we would be jumping mad. It doesnt matter which coach you put in he will have his favourites that arent necessarily public favourites. So we can either complain till we die or get over it

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.08.15 10:40:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 33) : With P Divvy and Owen Nkumane as assistant he cant go wrong. Anyone wanna bet on an Earl Rose comeback then?

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.08.15 10:42:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : Look at the Wallabies Cheika is the current coach of the Warratahs,and Larkham is the current coach of the Brumbies.
    Cheika as head coach had the confidence in himself and the balls to pick Larkham as his Backs coach.
    The only thing they have in common is that they are the two best brains in Aussie rugby.The team they put on the park will be the best team available,for that reason only I think they will win the World Cup.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.08.15 10:55:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : Between Owen and Bobby, I’m still trying to figure out who knows the least about rugby – yet they both act like experts.

    The last time I wasted my precious time watching a segment of Boots and All, Owen kept arguing with Mallet about player selection and why which player should be selected….haven’t bothered with that show since. 🙄

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.08.15 11:06:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @The hound (Comment 36) : They can’t win the world cup, they’ve already won the Rugby Championship. 😉

    Then again, when they won the world cup in ’91 and ’99, it was the same years that their cricket team won the cricket world cup. 😐

    …we’re probably sitting with the 7th or 8th best coaching team in the world.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.08.15 11:11:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @The hound (Comment 36) : The Aussies do soemhow know how to get their act together just before a world cup. The 4yrs leading up to it were not so great though. I just wonder what the future holds…will Cheika, larkham stay or go back to the Tahs/Brumbies etc

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.08.15 11:15:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 37) : Well owen got hammered in scrums etc and Bobby didnt dare venture near a ruck so perhaps their knowledge on the backlines is good? i dunno

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.08.15 11:16:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : No they do both,Cheikha coached the Tahs and the Wallabies the whole year.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.08.15 11:19:04 by The hound Reply
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  • Lambie being set up for a fall.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.08.15 11:27:03 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 41) : I thought that was like the stop gap plan…will that continue? I wonder if the All Blacks will rotate amongst the 3 again? So Wayne Smith to head coach. I reckon Jamie Joseph could get a look in

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.08.15 11:28:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Saw about 5 posts on teams folks would like to see for this weekend.

    All 5 different.

    This Bok coaching thing is kak easy.

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.08.15 11:29:48 by Morné Reply
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  • Great to see Pat start just not sure about Zane but hey let’s see how he goes!!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.08.15 11:34:10 by JD Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 44) : Strange isn’t it,but I wonder how many conflicts there would be in naming an A.B ,a Wallaby,an English,Irish ,orWelsh team in the month before World Cup..
    Most of those teams are quite settled,as they should be at this time in the program.

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.08.15 11:36:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 46) :

    Wallabies I think are pretty much 95% there.

    AB’s can go any way in some positions.

    Hooker
    Blindside
    Flyhalf
    Inside Centre
    Right Wing
    Fullback

    can be any of 2, sometimes 3 okes slotting in.

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.08.15 11:39:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 44) : All you have to do is select a team…and lose to Argentina at home for the first time ever – and voila: 4 year contract extension 😈

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.08.15 11:45:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Sorry, totally off-topic, and maybe I’ve missed it, but does anyone know what is the latest news on PSDT? Last announcement I saw was Sharks confirming his departure. And then? If he is indeed going to Province, why haven’t they said anything? Why the silence? What is going on?

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.08.15 11:45:53 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : 😆 😆 Too true!

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.08.15 11:46:40 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 49) : he is leaving but hasnt signed a new deal anywhere yet. But i do think there is a verbal agreement in place…dont expect anything till after or during world cup

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.08.15 11:48:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : I read that as there is a verbal contract in place but don’t expect him to honour it

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.08.15 11:52:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) :

    He is waiting for you guys to calm down before he announces he will join WP.

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.08.15 11:52:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : But don’t you find that a little bit odd? I mean, we announced ages ago that he was leaving, so why wait then? What could be the hold up? Perhaps what was agreed on verbally and what is on the actual paper don’t match? For me it’s just very strange..

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.08.15 11:54:35 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 44) : I just look at the players making Meyer’s life difficult: Lambie (did well end of year then been injured), Vermuelen (injured), DuPreez (injured), Alberts (been injured), Frans Steyn (complicated ), Flip Van Der Merwe (complicated), JP Pieterson (injured), Coetzee (injured), DeVilliers (injured), Kitshoff (been injured), Malherbe ( been injured), Brussouw (been injured), Louw (injured), Serfontein (been injured), Jannie (injured), Matfield (been injured), PSDT (been injured)….

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.08.15 11:54:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : I agree if we are going to shake things up we may as well see what others have to offer at 9.

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.08.15 11:55:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 54) : Perhaps he is hoping for a good World cup so increase salary negotiations

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.08.15 11:56:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 3) : Well if you give another coach 3 – 4 years then they are all on equal footing so I would go Ackerman he will have enough time.

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.08.15 11:57:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 56) : Id start at no. 1 but i get your thinking…

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.08.15 11:58:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Well if you give another coach 3 – 4 then they are all on equal fo years oting so I would go Ackerman he will have enough time.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.08.15 12:01:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) :

    Quiet with your sensible comments!

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.08.15 12:02:01 by Morné Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57): That may be..

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.08.15 12:03:03 by Another Nick Reply

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  • I would also see if kriel can solve my fetcher problem while I am at it. Screw pride and revenge use the opportunity

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.08.15 12:03:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : Like being an eskom ceo. …you get a bonus for non-performance.

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.08.15 12:15:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : Let’s be honest he has a large hand in making his own life difficult too. He is a one horse kind of guy and he painted himself into a corner quite often with that attitude.

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.08.15 12:18:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Hey all…so here are my views for what they are worth:
    1. I am happy that Lambie has finally been picked at 10…happier than I would have been with him at 15. In fact, I can even live with Krusty at 15 so that Lambie gets a chance at 10. I am also concerned that he is being set up to fail in a tough game against tough opposition at a tough venue behind a relatively make-shift looking forward pack…but you know what? I am convinced that Lambie is a better flyhalf option than Pollard. I have argued on here that he has far better game management, better defence and a coole head on his shoulders. If that is the case, then he has a golden opportunity to show it this weekend. I am happy about that. Good luck, Pat.
    2. Given all the injuries, the rest of the side is ok.
    So let’s see what Saturday brings…

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.08.15 12:44:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 65) : Perhaps but as ive said before all coaches have their fav players that they believe in and that they feel can get the job done. So a side including Kitshoff,Malherbe, Matfield, PSDT, Alberts, Louw,Vermuelen, DuPreez, (Lambie), JP Pieterson, Serfontein, DeVilliers, Frans Steyn would be a pretty damn good side to run out for the Boks

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.08.15 12:45:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 66) : I too am happy and agree 100% with your comments. I just have one question. Even if he does do well with a makeshift pack. Do you think he is wasting his time and that HM will either Saybrook they lost so leave me alone about lambie or ok they won you got your game with lambie now let’s go back to building pollard. Will anything he does ever change HM or anyone else’s mind? People have been arguing tooth and nail for Pollards case even though he was bad week in and week out. Years after Goosen and after Pat has proven more resilient people are still looking straight past him for “the future of SA flyhalf” if not Pollard then some other flavor of the month. I am even hearing Jantjies’ name coming back into circulation, it not futile for Pat?

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.08.15 12:52:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 12) : And now all the bothers and moaners on Sharksworld will be united again :mrgreen:
    Unfortunately as usual, we will hear how its not a full strength team and Lambie can’t possibly be expected to make a difference.
    Come on guys, we have the “walk on water” players from the Sharks starting, and more on the bench. We should put 50 past these overrated Argies 👿
    Now if HM contract has been extended at least the bulk of the moaners here will stop watching the boys, which should significantly reduce the bitching!!

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.08.15 12:52:45 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 68) : Well…we’ll see…

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.08.15 12:54:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Oh…and my other comment: Is Whitely still injured? If not, I am very disappointed not to see him in the mix…

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.08.15 12:55:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 69) : Case in point. …

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.08.15 12:57:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 69) : Ag come on! Relax bud. You’ll have bitching and moaning everywhere all the time. Stop making it sound as if that is all there is on here. I have made my case for Lambie for weeks now and I am glad he is getting a chance. Some of the concerns I raised about Pollard were certainly clear for all to see on Saturday. I remain convinced that Lambie’s game management is better. I actually hope that our forwards DON’T dominate so that we can see whether that is true…

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.08.15 12:58:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 71) : saw a tweet before the last game that has was ready to play … and again before this team announcement .

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.08.15 12:59:30 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Already setting him up for failure and hoping that you could use this little argument again. I don’t get it he is the most humble player always giving more than asked throwing his considerably smaller body at heavy tackles way more than the big pollard. Always the servant never moans when he is being slighted. Always ready to put some more in to try and save things. Why all the acrimony towards him?

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.08.15 13:01:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 73) : Lol, I pale in comparison to some. Lambie’s game management is better. He is also a good sight more experienced. I like Lambie, great player. My issue is that some here carry on as if he is the “second coming” and never makes a mistake.

    Actually its true of almost any player bar SP lol. Connie was the worst penalty machine and weakest link whilst playing for the Cheetahs. Soon we will here cries of Cooooeeenie!!!

    Some guys here really are a hoot though. Their bok selections quite astounding. We will have a new bok every week as they fail to meet the expectations.

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.08.15 13:14:09 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 76) : Well I actually want him to start as soon as possible at prop now when he has to really pull out the stops now when we are not well oiled. I would like to see what yhe sharks have bought. I just can’t get an answer as to whether he will do cc duty and when.

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.08.15 13:24:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • We are only screaming Lambie so loudly because you are screaming Pollard so loudly. Is Pollard perhaps the second coming is he the water walker?

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.08.15 13:26:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 78) : If so his boots have a leak….

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.08.15 13:27:09 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 78) : Lol, I have no affinity with Pollard. I am a Cheetah fan, so really not fussed. I do think Polard can really develop as a great FH. Lambie has had the benefit of 5 or 6 years top flight rugby. Everybody wants to slate Pollard, but you can’t compare the players, as the one is a rookie, the other a seasoned pro.
    Lambie is very calm, and a safe option. Pollard just offers more options (my opinion). Lambie won’t let us down, but can he be the creative spark we need? Well time wil tell. Gooooo Lambie!!!

    I love the options we have at 10/15. Despite everyone’s complaint, last weeks side was not a bad side, they were just outplayed by a hungrier, more motivated team on the day.

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.08.15 13:32:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 80) : Well I kind of don’t like that we had to go back to niknaks at 15 I would rather have Mapoe come in and move Jesse to 15.

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.08.15 13:34:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 76) : I’m certainly not disagreeing with you…but you say that as if it is not normal on any fan site. I’ve learnt something in my “several decades” on this earth:
    1. Fans will always be one level of biased or another – some a very biased, some just somewhat biased. That is just the way it is. Just don’t make as if all fans are super biased and can’t talk at least some sense.
    2. There will always be bitching and moaning. Live with it…
    3. Just because somebody is bitching and moaning, it doesn’t mean they may not have a point.
    4. Objectivity is something that helps to look past the bitching and moaning and bias…to the point…and to respond to the point.
    5. Objectivity is almost always the better option.
    So I’m going to take another shot at following my own advice:
    1. I am convinced Lambie’s game management is better than Pollard’s…not because he is a Shark or I’m a Sharks Supporter, but bulls cause the games I have seen them both play seem to make that clear. I also agree with you that he is not perfect and will make mistakes. I still think, however, that he is the better option for the Boks. Saturday will give us one chance to see if that may be the case.
    2. I have always liked Coenie. My mates can testify that I’ve always loved shouting “Coeniiiieee!” even when he was playing for the Cheetahs. I think he has an all-round good skills set. I was also not really convinced about the whole tighthead thing…although I did comment very positively on his performances on the end of year tour last time around.
    3. I enjoy your comments regularly. I love how you give some guys gas. Just don’t say that everyone on Sharksworld is like that…or that the guys who are like that are always wrong…
    Wow, sorry about the sermon…must be my flu and three days in bed! :mrgreen: Carry on…

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.08.15 13:37:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 74) : In that case, consider me baffled!

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 83) : welcome to my world 😉

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.08.15 13:40:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 84) : It also means that Heyneke truly was talking kak when he said Whiteley would get another chance! Ai…

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.08.15 13:42:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 85) : not sure if they are busy managing his injury . I need to go dig through twitter to see the tweets . but im 99 % sure

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.08.15 13:49:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 82) : Agree, I enjoy quite a few guys comments on here. Some guys just make the strangest calls on team selection. As much as I love the Cheetahs, I don’t think every single one should be a bok.
    I rated Goosen, because he is a very talented player, but injuries have robbed us of a great player. I also think Philip vd Walt has the game to play at a higher level.
    Only Cheetahs that I would have backed is Piet van Zyl, he has since regressed. Think Lappies Labuschagne could have gone places.
    Funnily, many guys that stand out at the Cheetahs, flop when they move with the exception of a handful. Only guys that left Cheetahs and went well was Duanne Vermeulen, AJ Venter, Daan Human, Richardt Strauss, and Wiaan du Preez.
    Guys that left, and haven’t is looooong!! Kennedy Tsimba was great at the Cheetahs, signed for the Bulls and disappeared! Lapis, Piet van Zyl, Serfontein, Small-Smith, Dries Swanepoel, and Strauss all regressed at the Bulls.

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.08.15 13:53:29 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Its one step forward and 3 steps back for Meyer. Seems that is the way he coaches.

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.08.15 13:55:18 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 44) : Ja, somebody should tell Meyer that, he sure is struggling compared to those that went before him.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.08.15 14:06:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Just to stir the pot because we all love the Lambie/Pollard debate and nothing else. Last year August Pollard delivered a very calm composed and match winning performance against the All Blacks at Ellis Park…so what has caused him to regress? Last years end of year tour Lambie did very well…is the same decline in him possible? (He has a shockers before with his kicking especially). Just curious…

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.08.15 14:08:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 88) : Meyer is hoping for a miracle. A perfect combo to fall into his lap. Then he will play that combo to death. I have always been doubted his capability for developing long term strategies and things going right by design and not by chance.

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.08.15 14:12:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : Last year with a very similar lineup we beat argentina even with negative play and bad refereeing. How different this year. If there is any form of regression it’s much more widespread than just pollard or lambie. And that I will lay at the coaches feet it is his job to monitor improve performance and rotate relegate till he gets the curve consistently moving upward. Besides Jesse and Damian he has shown little evolution over a year. You can’t stand still. Last year’s benchmark is not this year that goes for pollard lambie victor schalk Hendricks. ..all of them. I think Heineke is just not as mature as other world class coaches.

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.08.15 14:18:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 87) : You see…they all went to the Bulls! 😆

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.08.15 14:23:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 91) : I’m just so disappointed in Meyer. Warren Whiteley was the standout No8 during the Super Rugby season but he doesn’t get a shot to show what he can do. Meyer would rather select a flanker out of position and after 3 games his lack of experience at No8 has been exploited by the Ausies, NZ and the Argies. Faf de Klerk was the stand out scrumhalf yet he is not even given a chance but Ruan Pienaar has been poor this entire season. Lambie finally gets his shot but Pollard is still on the bench, I wont be surprised if Lambie only gets 40-50min. Jesse Kriel walks into the team after a good super rugby season at fullback and gets selected at outside centre, yet Mapoe who had a great season at outside centre only gets 3minutes. And we are going to have another 4 years of this nonsense. Only Bulls players and players sons of Springboks gets chances under Meyer. The rest just are not even in Meyers radar

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.08.15 14:23:44 by Mutley Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 92) : The All Blacks and Wallabies have largely selected the same team year on year though barring only a couple changes and it works for them? Do we not perhaps change too much? When last did the same Bok side play 3 games in a row? This last Arg game was a disaster as Meyer got his mix from 1-23 wrong and the guys just failed to deliver throughout. In previous games the Boks have played pretty well barring last say 20min. So for me then all that needed fixing was the bench combo

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.08.15 14:23:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : There’s only one way to find out. The point is: We know that Pollard has regressed. I have said before that I rate him…but he has struggled for a few months now. Maybe it is lack of experience? Lambie deserves a chance…so let’s see…

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.08.15 14:25:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 94) : Do you really believe Meyer only picks Bulls players and guys whose dads played for Boks? Like do you genuinely believe he sits there with a pen and goes nope no bull or dad sorry.

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.08.15 14:25:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 86) : That is another gripe I have: Given the detailed medical report, why was nothing said about Whiteley?!

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.08.15 14:28:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 97) : Nope I said gets chances. Lots of chances.

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.08.15 14:28:50 by Mutley Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 96) : Perhaps it is the weight of expectation that the public expect him to win the game on his own, i dont know. I just know that both Pollard and Lambie are very talented and should both be in the 23, although id pick them both in the starting side- but thats another debate. For me the bigger issue s the forwards…remember we are playing this WC in ENG…if our forwards dont front up you can play Matfield at 10 as it wont matter. We still dont know who are best forward combo is…that should be the bigger debate than the 10

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.08.15 14:30:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : While I largely agree with the sentiment, one should probably say:
    1. No side has experimented and changed more than the All Blacks this year! It may have contributed to their loss this weekend.
    2. Meyer has been criticised more for NOT changing than for changing. This year many of the changes that have been made have been injury enforced.

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.08.15 14:32:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 99) : You basically mean he hasnt picked Lions players. Whitely has played a few games and i cant think of 1 where he wasnt poor? Mapoe is down a long list and whilst he was decent in super rugby he wasnt exactly match winning constantly- besides DeAllende and Kriel looked damn good. As for Jaco Kriel- perhaps unlucky but welcome to being a loose forward in SA…Coetzee had to force his way in remember. Franco Mostert is a solid player at best..a bok..hmmm not sure. Only guy possibly unlucky not to get a better look in is Julian Redelinghuis- but the Stormers props were also good. Faf De Klerk lost out to Reinach who is a Bok already…Meyer wanted only 1 running 9 and 2 kicking 9s hence Pienaar and DuPreez

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.08.15 14:37:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 100) : Agreed re: Lambie and Pollard both being talented…and agreed re: Forward concerns. Jannie should be a shoe in for 3…loose trio is a real concern with all the injuries…

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.08.15 14:37:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 98) : According to this tweet the Doc said he is fine : https://twitter.com/NelioDeSa/status/630352514991394820

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.08.15 14:38:06 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 104) : Hmm…

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.08.15 14:41:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 101) : Yeh i agree on both fronts. All Blacks trying to reward ‘form’ too much disrupted things and they looked out of sorts much like the Boks did, only exception is they are better so were able to stay in touch throughout.
    I also think that injuries allow for natural rotation so no need to rotate just for the sake of it.
    People often complain but the golden oldies but i truly believe that bringing guys like Matfield, Burger, Dupreez,DeVilliers, Frans Steyn off the bench in the second half would make a world of difference.

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.08.15 14:43:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : De Allende and Kriel were good on attack but on defense they are terrible. De Allende missed 27% of his tackles in the 3 tests and Kriel 35%. So easy tries for our opponents. Whiteley played against the WorldXV and was decent and played against NZ mostly on flank because Schalk packed down at No8. So your argument for Faf not being selected is that Reinach irregardless of form, because he is a Bok already, Faf lost out. I also cannot remember a game when Pienaar was not poor

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.08.15 14:44:00 by Mutley Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 103) : Yes Jannie a shoe in BUT he has an injury…can we say who the next best is for sure? Same goes for Vermuelen if fit picks himself at 8 with Louw and Alberts probably…but if he and Alberts arent fit?

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.08.15 14:45:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) : Fair enough point re: Experience. Funny thing, given all the comments about geriatrics, is that in the Rugby Championship we MISSED experience…

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.08.15 14:47:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : I agree with your point…concerns…

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.08.15 14:48:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 107) : Pienaar was not poor in the Oz game and had a decent game against NZ. and yes Reinach gets in as he is a Bok and has doen well at that level. Thats the way selection works im afraid…cant just throw every guy in and say hey maybe. DeAllende and Kriel may not be perfect on defense but which sa centres are? Whitely def didnt set the world alight in the world xv game…and like i said there plenty of loose forwards so he has to stand out.

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.08.15 14:50:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 109) : i would re-word and say we missed experience off the bench. The ‘youngsters’ did well to get into a winning position but the guys coming off the bench lacked the experience to close out a win.
    So your 8 man bench: Kitshoff,Strauss,Malherbe,Matfield,Burger,Dupreez, DeVilliers, Frans Steyn….as an opposition you see that coming off the bench..

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.08.15 14:51:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : Loosies? “If fit” is probably the key words here. Duane, if fit. Coetzee if fit. Alberts, if fit. Schalla, Flo and Brussow to rotate the “not fit”. I’d like Whiteley in there too, but we all know HM’s feelings there

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.08.15 14:52:36 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : Why did Meyer bring Heinke van der Merwe back from Europe and then play him once for 5 minutes.

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.08.15 14:53:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 113) : Also, Kriel?

  • Comment 115, posted at 12.08.15 14:54:15 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 112) : Agreed with the re-wording. That is what I meant…

  • Comment 116, posted at 12.08.15 14:58:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 113) : I agree with your suggestions…I do, however, miss a true no. 7 replacement for Alberts in that mix…

  • Comment 117, posted at 12.08.15 15:00:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : That im really not sure to be honest…doesnt make too much sense. Same goes for picking Mahoje. Also think Schalk Brits and Rudi paige are there cos he couldnt think of anyone else.

  • Comment 118, posted at 12.08.15 15:00:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Also there has been suggestions after the world cup that we only pick local guys…are we happy to then exclude guys like Bismarck, Vermuelen, Beast?

  • Comment 119, posted at 12.08.15 15:03:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 115) : kriel is a Lions player and clearly not good enough for the boks

  • Comment 120, posted at 12.08.15 15:03:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 111) : I said Whiteley was decent. I never said he set the world alight. He did what was expected of him. But I see your point with Reinach. Rather have a guy that you know what you have than a guy that is on form, but has not yet experienced rugby at the highest level. Regarding De Allende and Kriel. Like I said, they are good on attack but they need to work on their defense. You win a World Cup with defense not with flair on attack.

  • Comment 121, posted at 12.08.15 15:07:54 by Mutley Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : Beast is staying at the Sharks…

  • Comment 122, posted at 12.08.15 15:11:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 121) : Your comment about defence is fair…

  • Comment 123, posted at 12.08.15 15:12:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : Where does that suggestions come from, by the way? Anything official? Or just people talking?

  • Comment 124, posted at 12.08.15 15:13:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 117) : I don’t think we have a genuine replacement for him. Pound for pound he is just quite simply a beast of another nature.

  • Comment 125, posted at 12.08.15 15:15:23 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 121) : Faf will get his chance if he continues playing well…Like Pollard/Lambie id like to see Faf/Reinach as the 2 guys. Serfontein/DeVilliers are probably the best defensive combo…but not best attacking. Whitely just looks out of place playing for the Boks…not sure if its the guys around him or what but he just doesnt look like he is fully on point like he is in the Lions side. Jaco Kriel just loses out on too many guys there

  • Comment 126, posted at 12.08.15 15:16:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 120) : Kriel is an outstanding athlete and deserves to be in the bok squad.

  • Comment 127, posted at 12.08.15 15:16:21 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 122) : I thought i saw that he was going…anyway i think he is too heavy and slow but Bissie and Vermuelen would be big losses

  • Comment 128, posted at 12.08.15 15:17:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 125) : It just concerns me that we don’t seem to have any other 7 of that general nature in the frame at all…

  • Comment 129, posted at 12.08.15 15:18:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 124) : Just people talking about bringing value back to local game. Unfortunately we need to be aware that we live in a professional age so need to pick the best no matter where they are based.

  • Comment 130, posted at 12.08.15 15:18:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 129) : Because…what are the odds Alberts is going to get through an entire World Cup?

  • Comment 131, posted at 12.08.15 15:18:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 128) : No, Beast is definitely staying…but you are right, Bismarck and Vermeulen would be big losses and it would be a bit daft not to play them…

  • Comment 132, posted at 12.08.15 15:19:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 129) : PSDT can fill that 7 void for sure. With Eben, Lood and that Jenkins kid from u20s coming through. There a few good tall timber at WP too

  • Comment 133, posted at 12.08.15 15:20:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 130) : Agreed…that is also not the best way to bring value back to the local game…

  • Comment 134, posted at 12.08.15 15:20:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 131) : What are the odds he makes it through the warm up on sat?

  • Comment 135, posted at 12.08.15 15:21:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : Whiteley is the Minister of Defense. He just needs some time to get use to the pace, so far he has done nothing flashy just the basics of a No8, Schalk on the other hand tries to be flashy but does not do the basics of a No8, and he was caught out against the Ausies, NZ and Pumas. Meyer had a real opportunity to develop Whiteley but he opted not to.

  • Comment 136, posted at 12.08.15 15:21:40 by Mutley Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 137, posted at 12.08.15 15:22:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 131) : True.. sad, but true. (sigh) HM therefore needs to ensure our entire game plan doesn’t involve Alberts bashing it up, taking with him 4 defenders, and then swinging the ball wide for Habana to score in the corner. We need to box clever.

  • Comment 138, posted at 12.08.15 15:22:17 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 127) : Just wait . He will get selected , play for 10 min , not stand out . Be told he is not good enough and so we go on .

  • Comment 139, posted at 12.08.15 15:23:08 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 128) : Here was Rob’s article confirming that Beast was staying:
    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2015/07/07/marcell-beast-mvovo-head-long-list-of-sharks-stayers/

  • Comment 140, posted at 12.08.15 15:23:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I say bring back the Springbok trials…get rid of the World XV game. Good old Springbok trials..2 teams of 25-so 50 players covers a wide net. Id buy a ticket to that…well if the tickets arent R1k haha

  • Comment 141, posted at 12.08.15 15:23:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : I agree with that. Bring back Springbok trails

  • Comment 142, posted at 12.08.15 15:32:07 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 142) : im sure these guys will still find a reason why the Lions should not be picked .

  • Comment 143, posted at 12.08.15 15:34:24 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : @Mutley (Comment 142) : I’d be happy with that…North vs South. The one thing it would not do, though, is take away the problem of subjective opinions about who is best in a particular position…and the fact that it matters what exactly a particular coach is looking for!

  • Comment 144, posted at 12.08.15 15:37:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 143) : Mayb if u guys called urself Transvaal again?

  • Comment 145, posted at 12.08.15 15:39:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Right now I’m just thinking: Come on men…win the game for us…and if possible, do it in style!!

  • Comment 146, posted at 12.08.15 15:40:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : So when would you have those Bok trials a month before,two months before,a week before,and anyone not fit enough to play through the entire trial doesn’t go.
    So for instance if we held them today here’s who wouldn’t go.
    De Villiers,Coetzee,Jannie,Vermullen,Fourie du Preez,Willie, do I need to go on.

  • Comment 147, posted at 12.08.15 15:40:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 147) : I reckon the trials game would have a relatively small influence on who is finally picked, but offers an alternative to a rather pointless game against a world xv…

  • Comment 148, posted at 12.08.15 15:42:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 144) : U can never avoid that unfortunately. We have a vast array of players with many different strengths and local coaches who all see and play the game differently. There is more than 1 way to skin a cat however. South Africans tend to make a lot of mistakes…which is probably why most Bok coaches hav opted for a territory based game and only run the ball in low risk areas…not the worst thinking. What has been lacking in recent Bok sides is that menace on defense. Since the 2007 world cup i havnt seen a mean Bok defense where we smash anyone and anything coming at us.

  • Comment 149, posted at 12.08.15 15:43:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : mmm . Good idea . Re-brand ouer selves . we can be the “the team formally known as the Lions , so please pick us ” 🙂

  • Comment 150, posted at 12.08.15 15:45:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 139) : One of the may reasons springbok rugby is regressing instead of progressing.

  • Comment 151, posted at 12.08.15 15:46:36 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 147) : Yes exactly that or we end up with same result as now, Meyer trying to juggle all these injured guys that we complain arent fit etc. If u not fit for trials u not fit to play…its a hard line but if u dont take that line we left with juggling semi fit players like we are now. So 2 Bok trials- 1 after super(long) rugby and 1 before end of year tour/World cup

  • Comment 152, posted at 12.08.15 15:46:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Gary God for Bok coach! Pleeeaaassee!!

    As far away from the Sharks as possible.

  • Comment 153, posted at 12.08.15 15:48:19 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 152) : I don’t know whether I quite agree with that. At least some level of flexibility would be necessary…

  • Comment 154, posted at 12.08.15 15:49:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • In the old days before T.V. we had one Springbok tour every two years,the team only played three tests.
    This was the only time the team came together,so trials were neccessary for the coach to be able to see all his potential talent in one place.Meyer in his four years in charge has had more Bok tests than Frik du Preez in his lifetime.
    Seriously guys if this man who is employed to do nothing but handle the Springbok rugby team,doesn’t know what talent is at his disposal,he doesn’t deserve his job.

  • Comment 155, posted at 12.08.15 15:50:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 153) : Gary, at least, would be very happy with the preparations, convinced everything looks very good on the practice field…until… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 156, posted at 12.08.15 15:50:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I see we now also have a bitter Peter De Villiers stoking the racial fires. It would probably be best if he kept his tinny voice quiet.

  • Comment 157, posted at 12.08.15 15:52:45 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 154) : How far do u flex though without getting into the position we are in? Its a very tricky act. So we pick Vermuelen, Alberts, DuPreez, Coetzee, Willie etc for the WC eventhough they are injured and only ready just before…then they dont perform as they arent match fit etc. and we complain that guys that arent match fit are picked over guys currently in form…and around and around we go. We want guys on form…but hang on we want these players of class that are injured, but players on form must get a chance, but u cant leave out these guys…and i think u see the point

  • Comment 158, posted at 12.08.15 15:53:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 156) : hilarious. Sums up the Sharks to a ‘T’.

    “oops, did someone forget to train defence for a whole three months?”

  • Comment 159, posted at 12.08.15 15:54:22 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 158) : I absolutely see your point…where and how to incorporate flexibility is a tough one…but that doesn’t mean that a measure of flexibility isn’t necessary…

  • Comment 160, posted at 12.08.15 15:55:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 144) : South Team.
    15. Cheslin Kolbe
    14. Luwasi Mvovu
    13. Juan de Jongh
    12. Damian de Allende
    11. JP Peterson
    10. Pat Lambie
    9. Cobus Reinach
    8. Duane Vermeulen
    7. Schalk Burger
    6. Marcell Coetzee
    5. Pieter Steph du Toit
    4. Eben Etsebeth
    3. Jannie du Plessis
    2. Bismark du Plessis
    1. Beast

    16. Scarra Ntubeni
    17. Stefan Kitshoff
    18. Vincent Koch
    19.
    20. Siya Kolisi
    21. Jano Vermaak
    22. Frans Steyn
    23. Seabelo Senatla

    North

    15. Jesse Kriel
    14. Ruan Combrink
    13. Lionel Mapoe
    12. Jan Serfontein
    11. Francois Hougaardt
    10. Elton Jantjies
    9. Faf de Klerk
    8. Warren Whiteley
    7. Arno Botha
    6. Jaco Kriel
    5. Victor Matfield
    4. Franco Mostert
    3. Julian Redelinghuis
    2. Adrian Strauss
    1. Trevor Nyakane

    16. Akker vd Merwe
    17. Marcel vd Merwe
    18. Ruan Dreyer
    19.
    20. Warwick Tecklenburg
    21. Handre Pollard
    22. Bjorn Basson/Andries Coetzee
    23. Harold Vorster

  • Comment 161, posted at 12.08.15 15:56:57 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 161) : Hahahaha I forgot about the Cheetah players hahahaha. Maybe Lood de Jager can fit in somewhere

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  • @Mutley (Comment 161) : waar is die vrystaat ?

  • Comment 163, posted at 12.08.15 15:58:57 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 161) : That would be fun, wouldn’t it? I would definitely go to watch…

  • Comment 164, posted at 12.08.15 15:59:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 162) : Dink dis wat HM doen met die Leeus spelers ook .. oooops … ok moenie worry nie . niemand sal agter kom nie … 😆

  • Comment 165, posted at 12.08.15 16:00:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 162) : Well, you have two empty 19 slots…

  • Comment 166, posted at 12.08.15 16:00:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 158) : There is only one point,pick the fittest players and when you are injured play your way back into the team.
    It’s the special dispensation for certain players that kills the spirit of one united team,playing for one united team that you need to win a world cup.
    How can you respect a coach who keeps a place open for a player who hasn’t played the whole year.

  • Comment 167, posted at 12.08.15 16:00:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 166) : I don’t know who to put there. Any suggestions?

  • Comment 168, posted at 12.08.15 16:01:35 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 161) : We could have the two teams coached by the next two coaches in line for the Springbok job. That way it would also be a coach trial! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 169, posted at 12.08.15 16:01:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 163) : Die Vrystaat is nerens na wat die Bulle met hulle gemaak het

  • Comment 170, posted at 12.08.15 16:02:39 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 168) : Put Lood and Francois Uys there…that way you have two Cheetahs there…and you may possible even prevent KingCheetah jumping down your throat!

  • Comment 171, posted at 12.08.15 16:03:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 169) : South can be coached by Alister Coetzee and the North by Johan Ackerman

  • Comment 172, posted at 12.08.15 16:03:36 by Mutley Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 167) : While recognising that there will always be some exceptions to the rule, I agree with your sentiments…

  • Comment 173, posted at 12.08.15 16:04:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 172) : Agreed…

  • Comment 174, posted at 12.08.15 16:05:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 161) : In your south team id replace Pieterson with Sithole, PSDT to replace Schalk and Lood to come in at 5. Ruan Botha as lock reserve. In the North side id play Pollard at 12 and bring Serfontein off the bench. Id play Jaques Potgieter at 5 over Matfield and bring Hargreaves off the bench.

  • Comment 175, posted at 12.08.15 16:05:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 163) : who cares 😈

  • Comment 176, posted at 12.08.15 16:06:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • So we’re doing a good job of running up the comment count on this thread! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 177, posted at 12.08.15 16:07:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The last Bok trial I remember,was when Morne climbed over a line out and caught Naas with a left hook,that finally put a stain on his brooks,albeit at the back.
    That was trench warfare

  • Comment 178, posted at 12.08.15 16:08:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 167) : ok sounds good but how and where would a guy play his way back into the team? Via local or Bok rugby?

  • Comment 179, posted at 12.08.15 16:09:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 175) : Give or take a few players, but yes. Your way can work too. I completely forgot about Sithole, Prefer him rather than Peterson

  • Comment 180, posted at 12.08.15 16:09:37 by Mutley Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 179) : The same way the A.B’s do it.

  • Comment 181, posted at 12.08.15 16:11:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 179) : What about overseas players?

  • Comment 182, posted at 12.08.15 16:14:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 180) : What about overseas players?

  • Comment 183, posted at 12.08.15 16:15:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 183) : What about them?
    If they want to leave SA, they should not expect to play for the Boks again. Most SA players are better than the overpaid overseas players

  • Comment 184, posted at 12.08.15 16:19:06 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 184) : Hmm…

  • Comment 185, posted at 12.08.15 16:22:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 183) : @Mutley (Comment 184) : At the moment thats Louw,Pienaar,Britz,Kirchner,so yes you are right.
    But this time next year it will be Bismark,Jannie,Alberts,Vermullen,

  • Comment 186, posted at 12.08.15 16:27:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 186) : Which is why my response was “hmmm”…

  • Comment 187, posted at 12.08.15 16:29:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 186) : Bismark is not irreplaceable and it is time we start looking for a suitable replacement (Thou we do not have anybody close to Bismark) Jannie is old now and doesn’t have many years left, we have suitable replacements in SA. Alberts has not played in so long, he is no longer a factor. Vermeulen is also a great player but not irreplaceable.

  • Comment 188, posted at 12.08.15 16:30:43 by Mutley Reply
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  • http://www.rugby365.com/countries/south-africa/67756-boks-to-show-world-cup-hand
    Can anyone make sense of what HM is saying in this article? In one interview he says:
    – I rate Polly.
    – Lambie could be no. 1.
    – I wish Morne was available to play!!!
    4, 5, 6 HM…what the hell are you saying? Your kak communication is confusing everyone, including hour bloody players! I bet you Morne and Krusty will be the no. 1’s at the world cup. Confusion reigns…

  • Comment 189, posted at 12.08.15 17:04:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 189) : Pieter de Villiers had great thoughts that turned to crap when his mouth had to make the words. HM does not have that problem the crap that brews in his mind is formed exactly the same way by his mouth.

  • Comment 190, posted at 12.08.15 17:14:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 188) : boet I think last Saturday exactly showed us how good the replacement thight heads are and it was very poor indeed!!! Oupa Jannie gets to me sometimes but sorry to say he’s still the best 3 in SA by a long way!!! Yes some of the youngsters have potential but will not be ready for this World cup so give them time and don’t “break” them by forcing them into positions they’re not ready for!!!!

  • Comment 191, posted at 12.08.15 18:37:01 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 186) : actually Louw and Pienaar are pretty good at the moment so which local players are better in their positions?

  • Comment 192, posted at 12.08.15 18:39:27 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 189) : I usually try to stay away from disagreements with religious leaders, but you seem so nice and open to other points of view. 😉 I don’t agree with HM’s thinking, and I am no supporter or defender, but I do see a logic in what he is saying. I read the article and I didn’t see quite the confusion you did. He said Pollard had a poor SuperRugby season, and he wanted to try to build his confidence, while he wanted to bring Lambie back from injury slowly off the bench. From his comments, I read that he gave Pollard his chance, it is clear he has not improved from the vote of confidence, and now he must see if Pat can be number 1. But he can’t just say Pollard has been crap so I dropped him, by saying he still rates him, could be for the future, not this RWC, and said to help Pollard’s confidence. I think he wanted to have Morne Steyn on the bench for this match, give him some game time, and probably use him as the 2nd 10 behind Lambie up north. I said last year during the end of year tour that I felt since HM used Lambie for most of the matches, he really saw him as the right 10 for NH conditions, otherwise why would he have not given Pollard game time to get some time in the conditions. Again, not agreeing with him, but I do see a trail of some form of logic. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 193, posted at 12.08.15 19:49:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 192) : I would find it much harder to leave Marcell out of the team than Louw, if both are fit, HM also sees Marcell as an opensider, as he talked about playing with two opensiders with Marcell and Heinrich. Pienaar is quite simply our best 9 right now, both on form in internationals and the season leading up. When was the last time anyone saw du Preez on the rugby field, how can he be in any better shape than J. Fourie? No 9 in SA has shown anything to unseat Pienaar.

  • Comment 194, posted at 12.08.15 20:03:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 193) : But last week HM said that he preferred Pollard at 10 because the Boks needed to beat the Argies? So how does he jump from that to suddenly saying Pollard lacks confidence and that’s why he gave him game time.

    To me, he’s contradicting himself.

  • Comment 195, posted at 12.08.15 20:16:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 193) : Hehe…I try to be both nice and open… :mrgreen:
    If that is what he is saying then I agree with you. He just didn’t say it very clearly. He could just as well have meant that it is a pity Morné couldn’t play because he would have liked to give him a start. In terms of clarity all it would have taken was to say that it is a pity Morné isn’t available because he would have liked to give him a run off the bench. I suppose we’ll end up seeing what HM has in mind. If it is as you say, it will in fact make logical sense, you will have saved my dilemma in not understanding and I’ll be happy. If Morné ends up as our no. 1 going into the world cup I will remain confused and become disappointed!

  • Comment 196, posted at 12.08.15 20:21:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 194) : Agreed…

  • Comment 197, posted at 12.08.15 20:22:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 194) : must say I like Marcell playing at 7 as he’s got the ability of a 7 with the fetching skills of a 6!!! On the other side I also like anyone of the other two.

  • Comment 198, posted at 12.08.15 20:22:52 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 198) : I still reckon that in the UK we’ll need a big boy at 7. It has been a bit disappointing to me that we have not been looking for one in Alberts’ absence…

  • Comment 199, posted at 12.08.15 21:27:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The more I think about it, the more I don’t understand what HM has been up to this season. If he was convinced, based on the last two end of year tours, that we needed to play a conservative game, based on kicking and defence, then why we have we been playing anything but that so far this season and regularly playing those guys who are more suited to exactly the opposite game plan?! Why not prepare the men for what will be coming at the World Cup. Now suddenly we have to change our game one match before the world cup. I really am confused…

  • Comment 200, posted at 12.08.15 21:30:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 200) : Well it’s simple….because …”NZ kicked the ball a lot more than us”… 😈

  • Comment 201, posted at 12.08.15 21:35:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 201) : But that stat just confirmed what he already knew from the last two year end tours…so in the 4 matches so far this year he has been…what? Pulling the wool over our opponents’ eyes?! 😯

  • Comment 202, posted at 12.08.15 21:42:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Funny what an easy ride HM gets compared to White and PdV. The apologists are out in full force to defend the indefensible. Meanwhile the results speak for themselves.

  • Comment 203, posted at 12.08.15 22:27:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 203) : I have also acted the apologist for Meyer on occasion. To be honest, there were some developments in our play that looked good and that I liked. There were also some difficulties beyond his control. But the more this has gone on, the more difficult it has become to defend him…and now that it seems this season’s play has all been a devious distraction from the game we actually want to play at the world cup…well, I’m just befuddled!

  • Comment 204, posted at 12.08.15 22:40:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 195) : I think he would say he was just saying that to build Pollard’s confidence. Look I don’t agree with him, just saying I don’t think he is contradicting himself.

  • Comment 205, posted at 13.08.15 02:20:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Again, I am no HM apologist or defender, but let’s look back at the preparations in 2007, the team we sent on tour in the Tri-Nations (with almost none of the starters in the RWC, captained by Muller). People then were also complaining bitterly about JW’s preparations for the RWC. He pointed out that he did not want to reveal his hand prior to the RWC and hence don’t expect the same in the RWC you got in the preparation. I wonder if we are seeing something similar from Meyer? Just a thought.

  • Comment 206, posted at 13.08.15 02:23:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 192) : Are you kidding? Look no further than the Lions players in those positions. Jaco Kriel at 6 and Faf de Klerk at 9.

  • Comment 207, posted at 13.08.15 02:46:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 207) : good morning????? 😉

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 208) : Hey Uncle.

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 208) : @Ben (Comment 209) : Good evening, is it there?

  • Comment 210, posted at 13.08.15 03:46:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 210) : Ja nephew, night here. How are you?

  • Comment 211, posted at 13.08.15 03:49:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 211) : Doing pretty well, thanks. How about you?

  • Comment 212, posted at 13.08.15 03:51:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 212) : As well as can be expected having learned that Pumas are dangerous animals to reckon with. I always thought Pumas were only native to South America, I have now learned there is a dangerous South African variety as well. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 😉

  • Comment 213, posted at 13.08.15 03:57:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 213) : 😆

  • Comment 214, posted at 13.08.15 06:36:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 206) : I kind of hope you are right…but if that is the case, here is my gripe:
    1. Jake did that for an overseas trip of 2 games, not for every single test of the season! As it stands, the last time our guys will have played the sort of game we want to play at the World Cup will have been almost a year before the World Cup.
    2. Jake said clearly what he was doing. Many questioned him, that is true…but he did clearly say what he is doing. HM has done none of that.
    I am certainly not saying that I don’t wish HM and the Boks well for the world cup…I do wish them all the best. If they win, I will congratulate him for the achievement. If this is his approach though, it leaves me befuddled…that’s all I’m saying…

  • Comment 215, posted at 13.08.15 06:51:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 213) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 216, posted at 13.08.15 06:52:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 189) : Heyneke talks too much….far too much.

  • Comment 217, posted at 13.08.15 07:46:31 by grant10 Reply

     
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 205) : If that was the case, then there is no wonder that there is this undertone of unhappiness in the camp…

  • Comment 218, posted at 13.08.15 08:11:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @pastorshark (Comment 202) : Oh wait sorry, I might have quoted the wrong one…let me try the other default HM quote: …”it was always part of the plan”…

    Does that one help any? 😉

  • Comment 219, posted at 13.08.15 08:24:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • Nobody cares who a Bok coach selects when he wins. But should he lose then he is a complete idiot and has no idea what he is doing and should be fired instantly. We can deny it all we like but its been like that for every Bok coach. If he wins no issue but should he lose then those same players should never have been there and he is biased and has favourites etc etc. Doesnt matter who replaces Heyneke Meyer the trend will continue. There will always be fan favourites who miss out…i just think we have come a long way from having Earl Rose at 10 and Adi Jacobs and Jorrie Muller at centre…

  • Comment 220, posted at 13.08.15 08:56:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 220) : If it’s not about winning, why bother…this isn’t school boy rugby, this is international rugby – win or face the onslaught of criticism.

    HM does things his way, and only his way….so when he fails as miserably as he has this past weekend, then clearly his way is flawed and not the best for Springbok rugby.

  • Comment 221, posted at 13.08.15 09:26:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 221) : So by your theory a guy can coach the Boks till he loses then next guy must come in? As ive said before…look at the long list of guys jumping at the bit to coach the Boks…oh wait! Im not saying not be critical…but going on and on and on bout the same thing is quite silly

  • Comment 222, posted at 13.08.15 09:34:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 222) : …and by your reasoning we should just sit back and accept 7 from 11 losses, including a 100% loss ratio for 2015 which includes a first ever loss to Argentina (and that on our home turf)….because you perceive that there is nobody else willing to take the reigns?

  • Comment 223, posted at 13.08.15 09:40:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 223) : Im not saying accept…im saying find solutions and help rather than complain. But as South Africans we prefer to complain. We moaned that the Boks played a boring kicking game…so Meyer has tried to change that and he has to a large extent. But the players arent conditioned- not his fault- so they make mistakes. If he played a kicking based game we probably could have eeked out a few more wins but the public would then be having a go for the style we play. So basically we want a coach to make us play exactly the way the All Blacks do but we need to beat them…eventhough we dont have the same type of players they do and are not even half as fit as they are. So yes changing for the sake of changing a coach doesnt solve anything…just look at the Sharks and their coaching merry go round

  • Comment 224, posted at 13.08.15 10:01:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 18) : I think Lambie was more mortified (even embarrassed for his homecrowd) that his teammates are booed, whilst his name is chanted.

  • Comment 225, posted at 13.08.15 10:06:06 by bokbok Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 224) : PHEEW you make a lot of excuses for a deadbeat coach.
    His job is to win as many games as he can,ultimately all of them.In this he is abysmal.
    He is and will be judged on his win record.He is failing spectacularly,can ‘t remember when last if ever the boks lost five in a row.
    He is paid a fortune to coach one of the best sports teams in the world.With it comes a lot of heat and pressure,because he is paid to win.He is buckling under the pressure.
    The mistakes he made have come back to haunt him.Provincal bias,personal favouritism,

  • Comment 226, posted at 13.08.15 10:41:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 226) : Im sure i heard these exact same things being said bout the last coach and im sure thats what we will hear about the next coach too unless he picks guys personal favourites. How does just changing resolve anything? See how well that worked at the Sharks. Trust me if the Boks were losing with Lambie at 10 it wouldnt be about the coach but the other players not performing. Like it or not thats people’s main issue here.

  • Comment 227, posted at 13.08.15 10:52:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 222) : Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing now? Going on and on about the same thing? Don’t be silly.

  • Comment 228, posted at 13.08.15 10:55:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 228) : Any coach who lose 5 tests in a row has no place coaching a Springbok team,.
    Sorry even if it was Danie Craven himself,I can’t accept five on a trot,you obviously can

  • Comment 229, posted at 13.08.15 11:03:16 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 219) : 😆 Not really… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 230, posted at 13.08.15 11:50:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 227) : Some people’s…

  • Comment 231, posted at 13.08.15 11:54:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 230) : Okay…this one will definitely do the trick: …”we’re learning”… 😀

  • Comment 232, posted at 13.08.15 12:05:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

     
  • @Ben (Comment 228) : So shall i get on the this coach is Sh*t bandwagon…lets get him replaced and then say the same about the next guy and the next [email protected]The hound (Comment 229) : Yes results havnt been great, but lets not consider he has had the majority of what he wants as his core side out injured. Lets forget that as i know your guys response. What im saying is why would another coach be different? Yes he may pick Lambie, but maybe not. What is concerning is the conditioning of our players, the results at super rugby level etc. Trust me fix that and you can appoint Chester Williams as coach and he will be relatively successful by just pitching up

  • Comment 233, posted at 13.08.15 12:07:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 234) : Your argument falls down when you factor in the fact that Jake won the World Cup and he was fired.Mallet equaled the world record for consecutive test wins and he was fired
    Can’t buy into the poor conditioning story either,he has had this squad since when,plenty time to condition them.
    The realityis he has failed to do his job,he was employed to build a winning team.
    He hasn’t managed that.

  • Comment 234, posted at 13.08.15 12:16:34 by The hound Reply
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  • Yes Mallet was fired after some losses, and how did the next guy do? Jake won the World cup and was fired (for numerous reasons), and how did the next guy do? U cant buy into the poor conditioning story…how many guys have picked up serious injuries this super rugby etc? There is no time for a Bok coach to work on conditioning…if he is required to then it would mean pulling guys out of super rugby for periods of time…can u see how that would go down? Ive not once said Heyneke Meyer is the best coach…what i have said is that lets for once not just complain but rather think of solutions. Fair enough change but just replacing a guy and carrying on doesnt solve anything other than dilute the bank balance.

  • Comment 235, posted at 13.08.15 12:43:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 236) : Every member of the squad is a full time 100% rugby player,they don’t do anything else.
    How can you be a Springbok rugby player and be poorly conditioned.
    These guys all have multiple contracts with clubs,provinces and Saru,they have unlimited access to the best medical,physio,biokinetic,and gym facilities.
    Please explain to me how you can be in line for Springbok contention and be poorly conditioned.
    Injured is another story,but poorly conditioned just doesn’t fly.

  • Comment 236, posted at 13.08.15 12:53:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 235) : I may not be Meyer’s biggest fan but that’s a very valid point. Well put.

  • Comment 237, posted at 13.08.15 12:59:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 236) : I fully agree with you that there should be no excuse…but are we employing the best personnel to get these guys conditioned? I mean surely you can see the players in general, not just the Boks, are not fit or strong enough compared to our SANZAR friends. I have no problem replacing a coach but that cant be the only measure and hope for better. I see no tangible evidence of players improving their conditioning and skills…hence our super rugby results and standard of our CC. I feel bad having a go at a single player but Siya Kolisi was huffing and puffing and walking to a lineout after 5min on Saturday…he is a loose forward-surely thats not acceptable? (Im just using him as an example, he isnt only one)

  • Comment 238, posted at 13.08.15 13:00:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 239) : The injury count is not due to conditioning but to the brutal make up of the Super15 competition,we just do not have enough players to fill 5 teams each playing a full international level game every week for 15 weeks.
    That is the core of our retrogression in world rugby.Blame it on SANZAR and Saru greed.
    Each S.A team playing each other at least twice in that period doesn’t help either,I reckon those games are responsible for most of the injuries.And you still want trials on top of all that.

  • Comment 239, posted at 13.08.15 13:12:56 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 239) : I think there are quite a few issues in ur comment there. Yes super rugby is brutal…but i dont hear the Kiwis and Aussies crying like lil girls. Yes we dont have enough players to make up 5 teams but the reality is we have to so we can learn to live and adapt or just moan about it. Yes the number of local derbies does relate to player attrition but again coaches need to win (as has previously been stated on here) so of course they will play their best players as much as possible. And lastly yes I still believe a Springbok trial would add more value than a game against a world vx for example.

  • Comment 240, posted at 13.08.15 13:17:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 232) : Hmm…harrumph!

  • Comment 241, posted at 13.08.15 13:19:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 233) : I actually agree with you. I don’t think HM is the worst coach out there. I don’t think there are plenty of guys in line who can do a much better job. I think the All Blacks…and probably another country or two have got more generally skilled players than we do. That doesn’t mean, though, that there are not issues to be highlighted and debated, decisions to be criticised (perhaps critiqued is a better word) and suggestions to be made. And it sure as hell doesn’t make some of HM’s utterances easier for me to understand!! I just want to understaaaaand!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 242, posted at 13.08.15 13:24:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • SA largely plays stampkar rugby, which inevitably leads to injuries as the collisions are more frequent and more intense. The price we pay for that is through injuries.

    That said, world rugby is being pushed in a different direction, one where the best team isnt the one with the largest brute force.
    This has been going for the better part of a decade and we simply are not adapting quickly enough.

    That, in my mind, is the source of our regression and the reason we’re always a little bit behind the curve. We have the player sin spades, but we play them into the ground through an obsession with going through the player instead of around the player.

  • Comment 243, posted at 13.08.15 13:24:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 235) : Like you, I also prefer constructive debate…and that doesn’t always happen here. I certainly don’t see it happening on other sites. Maybe one problem is that we also know that whatever we say here won’t get taken up anywhere that can introduce meaningful change…and so people don’t always feel the need to check what they say or to make the effort of trying to be truly meaningful?

  • Comment 244, posted at 13.08.15 13:29:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 242) : No thats fully fair. He has made mistakes, trust me ask my wife i wasnt exactly a happy chappy in the stands on Saturday. I think he takes on too much and probably isnt good at delegating much. Yes he speaks a lot but i think its more to deflect attention to him and away from the players. In terms of the contentious players…i think he has seen Morne Steyn’s limitations so wants Lambie/Pollard as his 2, but he does still see a game plan where he can use a guy like stand- so its a nice to have as a 3rd guy if that makes sense. Then i think he sees a lot in Pollard but he is young and hasnt had a lot of top flight rugby so wanted to almost ram as much as he could down the kids throat as possible (whether that was right or wrong). In terms of Lambie i believe he knows exactly what Lambie can offer at 10…he is a bit tempted to see what Lambie can do at 15 in conjuction with Pollard but then he also doesnt want to lose LeRoux so he errs on that idea. I also think that he was probably a bit nervous to play Lambie…not because of ability or Bulls preference but because of the fact that he almost had a career ending injury and he was aware of the Steyn limitations and Pollard inexperience…if he lost Lambie against Oz then he would be in a pickle for RWC. So as i say his intentions were prob correct but execution not great.

  • Comment 245, posted at 13.08.15 13:31:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 236) : Well, I can think of at least one way…if you are overplayed by your union you can be poorly conditioned for the Boks…

  • Comment 246, posted at 13.08.15 13:31:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 240) : Keep in mind though that travel is much tougher for SA sides and we do tend to like bashing it up more to get over the gain line. I have to agree with The Hound here. I think Super Rugby (in its current guise) does as much harm as good when it comes to SA sides.

  • Comment 247, posted at 13.08.15 13:35:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 243) : This.

  • Comment 248, posted at 13.08.15 13:37:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 247) :So what are you saying,players should refuse to play super rugby,and save themselves for the Internationals.

  • Comment 249, posted at 13.08.15 13:38:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 239) : @SheldonK (Comment 240) : I must agree with hound on this one. I think the Super Rugby setup at the moment contributes to a high attrition rate. The Kiwis and Aussies also have a high attrition rate…not as high as ours but still high. Ours will always be higher because of the type of rugby we play. So more local derbies will affect us more negatively than our neighbours because of the type of game we play versus the type of game they play. So my meaningful suggestion? Look at the Super Rugby setup using this as one of the deciding factors in plotting a new way forward…

  • Comment 250, posted at 13.08.15 13:38:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 243) : What he said…that is my point in my previous comment. Well said, sir!

  • Comment 251, posted at 13.08.15 13:41:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 247) : And this…

  • Comment 252, posted at 13.08.15 13:44:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I still think the solution is to limit the number of local derbies in Super rugby,that is where the attrition s severest,
    Either that or combine the Currie Cup into Super Rugby,in the same way the Bledisloe Cup is combined into the Rugby Champs.

  • Comment 253, posted at 13.08.15 13:44:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 249) : Huh? Where did you read that? What I am saying is:
    1. Either change the Super Rugby format so that it is more sensible in terms of what it requires physically from the players over its course.
    2. Or keep it the same but manage the players more sensibly!
    That’s all…

  • Comment 254, posted at 13.08.15 13:46:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 253) : Your first sentence there, for example, is a suggestion I totally agree with…

  • Comment 255, posted at 13.08.15 13:48:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 255) : Or limit the number of teams to four per country i.e. go back to Super12.

  • Comment 256, posted at 13.08.15 14:02:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 256) : That is one example of what I mean with “change the Super Rugby format”…in fact, that is my favourite option!

  • Comment 257, posted at 13.08.15 14:09:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 244) : I do get that and the comments here are a lot more intelligent than most other sites believe me

  • Comment 258, posted at 13.08.15 14:18:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 256) : I truly belive the Super 12 was the best comp. Next years comp is just ridiculous. I would also much rather play 1 local derby and more of the international sides…perhaps 2 pools instead of a play everyone approach. But u are def right that we are seeing a lot more player attrition in super rugby of late

  • Comment 259, posted at 13.08.15 14:22:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • In the old days we had one Bok series a year three tests,home one year, away the next.
    Now we play a full Rugby champs of six tests plus a Northern hemisphere tour of four tests,and then we host a Northern hemisphere tour of four tests.
    Then every four years we play a World cup.This on top of Super rugby and Currie Cup rugby.
    Then we wonder how a guy like Willem Alberts is washed up at 30,or however old he is.

  • Comment 260, posted at 13.08.15 14:32:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 258) : thanx that makes me feel good about our site!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 261, posted at 13.08.15 14:40:23 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 260) : Geez i wish for the days when the old tours would come back…home to New Zealand for 3 tests in June then away to England for 3 tests in November. Midweek u21 games between each test. The winners of the SA, NZ and OZ domestic comp play a home and away series to determine Super rugby winners..and thats ur season.

  • Comment 262, posted at 13.08.15 14:42:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 260) : liked it when there was a three test series. This current form feels like a “hit and run” game!

  • Comment 263, posted at 13.08.15 14:43:18 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 264) : The television networks have devalued the game of rugby,I remember when a B and I Lions tour no matter where it was was something special,better than the ashes.Now its a yawn,especially if we aren’t playing.
    We should play the rugby champs every other year,with the world cup in one of the gap years and a full B and I Lions tour in the other.
    That way we keep it fresh.

  • Comment 264, posted at 13.08.15 14:59:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 262) : @JD (Comment 263) : @The hound (Comment 264) : Ah, the good old days. I understand that rugby has moved on since then and that some changes are necessary from back then…but what you say has some merit. Somewhere along the line some steps have to be taken to stop the golden goose from dying while everybody is trying to get it to lay golden eggs non-stop full-time! 😆

  • Comment 265, posted at 13.08.15 15:14:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Hey look…meaningful criticism of HM and input about Lambie?
    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/boks-made-selection-mistake

  • Comment 266, posted at 13.08.15 15:23:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 265) : Agreed, i mean wat is it next year super 17 or something…what a joke

  • Comment 267, posted at 13.08.15 15:39:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 267) : Ja no…

  • Comment 268, posted at 13.08.15 15:41:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 266) : He makes good points. Everything just looked off in Durban last week, even from the first kickoff.

  • Comment 269, posted at 13.08.15 15:42:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 269) : Yup…

  • Comment 270, posted at 13.08.15 16:15:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 16) :

    I’m doing a bit of late afternoon reading – my favorite, Sharksworld comments, so probably I’m way to late to join the conversation, but I bet Lambie (regardless of how the rest performs) proves himself. I’m almost pleased that he has been presented with a challenge, because if he comes out looking good in this one (which he so often does), then it will count for so much more.

    I also bet that Ruan Pienaar suddenly looks a smarter, sharper player, playing with Lambie as his pivot.

    I’m sticking my neck out here, but that is what makes Lambie good, that he is able to absorb pressure and attack when the opposition becomes desperate for their pressure to pay off, which always creates an opening for an attack.

  • Comment 271, posted at 13.08.15 17:41:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 271) : I really hope so too Letgo. I don’t want to see any Bok player set up for failure, including Pollard. I saw what it did to Pienaar during the B&I tour and though he may do well for his club, he’s never been the same for the Boks (my opinion).

  • Comment 272, posted at 13.08.15 17:57:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I’m actually quite keen to watch this game…come on Boks! Turn it around…

  • Comment 273, posted at 13.08.15 18:02:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I read that the Boks arrived in a very wet Buenos Aires…so I decided to windguru it. It looks like it will be dry but cold tomorrow and on Saturday. Brr…

  • Comment 274, posted at 13.08.15 18:59:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Ja pollard needs conditions to be perfect so he can perform. He seems to look best with hougaard but hougaard is inconsistent. Maybe his perfect pair would be a fast but disciplined faf or an experienced Fourie dupreez

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