36% win ratio underlines 2015 as Sharks’ year of disgrace

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Sep 2015 at 13:24
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Rather than risk the ire of Sharks Director of Rugby Gary Gold with another “emotional outburst”, I’m rather going to spell out the reason for Sharks fans’ discontent. So far in 2015, our representative teams have tasted victory in just over a third of all matches played.

With the super Rugby and Vodacom Cup seasons complete – and the Currie Cup, Under 21 and Under 19 competitions halfway done, an alarming pattern emerges. Quite simply put, at all levels, the Sharks are failing where it matters – between the four white lines. In a professional era when so much is stake and for a franchise and union with such a proud (recent) history, this return is simply not good enough.

The five teams mentioned have played 45 times between them in 2015, with the following records:
Super Rugby: 7 wins from 16 starts (43.75%)
Vodacom Cup: 2 wins from 7 starts (28.57%)
Currie Cup (to date): 3 wins from 6 starts (50%)
Under 21 (to date): 4 wins from 8 starts (50%)
Under 19 (to date): 0 wins from 8 starts (0%)
Combined total: 16 wins from 45 starts (35.55%)

The under 19 and under 21 sides each have a draw apiece to their credit, neither result detracting from the fact that, so far this year, there would be better odds on the Sharks losing any game that they start then on winning it.

Rugby is a simple game, we are repeatedly told. To win, score tries and don’t concede any. In 2015, our senior sides have so far managed to secure a 4-try bonus point on only 7 occasions (in 29 attempts), but have conceded 4 or more tries on 12 occasions. All three of those teams (Super Rugby, Vodacom Cup and Currie Cup) conceded more tries than they scored on aggregate as well. In Currie Cup alone, 3 of the four sides who have visited Kings Park have scored a 4-try bonus point, while in Super Rugby, the home bonus point was conceded on two further occasions.

Not a pretty picture, is it?


  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 63) :

    I’m with you. Gold out. I can’t see the point of elevating him into the role of DOR. For what? To hide behind the new head coach and continue receiving his fat pay check?

    I don’t agree at all with this argument that Gold just doesn’t have the players to work with. I didn’t know Paul Jordaan was always shit and could never pass a ball. This guy actually played 10 at one point in his career and now he can’t even make a pass to the guy next to him?

    Ungerer apparently was a promising youngster, yet, what I have seen from him since Gold has been appointed DOR and taken over coaching is a young man who can barely do the basics of a scrummy.

    Kyle Cooper and Monde Hadebe are suddely useless hookers, when Kyle at one point were pushing Bismark for a starting spot.

    Thomas are struggling, as are Dale (who has had up and down moments as a scrummager), but under JW both these players dominated SR teams at certain points – think Crusaders 2014 with a 13 man team. In the last 20 minutes Dale, Cooper and Thomas had taken over from our starting pack, as we needed the fresh legs and these guys score the winning try of an excellent 7 man scrum.

    Why have our set-pieces and basic rugby skills gone out the window since the start of this year?

    Why the hell would we give Gold a chance to direct our rugby, when he can’t even coach a singular CC team? We can do it, but I have to say, I see it failing badly, no, horrendously. I have no faith in him improving our structures. I also don’t see a proper coach being willing to coach under him (perhaps this is way we haven’t found a head coach yet?).

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.09.15 12:19:50 by Letgo Reply
  • Not a pretty picture is a bit of an understatement Rob. This is a kind of picture that will make Saw movie screenshots look like Mary Poppins. Words fail me. Something needs to change.. and SOON!

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.09.15 13:31:06 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Bloody horrid season! What the hell is going on with the u19’s?

    My biggest problem is that it looks the same week in and week out. Headless chicken kak.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.09.15 13:31:48 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • So hate to state the kinda obvious based on the above but Gary Gold doesnt seem to be much worse than the other coaches we have. And to add to that he clearly doesnt have a quality supply chain to work with. So for me Gold needs to be removed from hands on coaching asap and get to work on sorting out the rugby from bottom to top quickly. Just replacing Gold isnt going to solve much. I hope Botes has been throwing that chequebook at a lot of youngsters for next year?

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.09.15 13:38:04 by SheldonK Reply

  • It seems as though most successful (or semi-successful) coaches have a blueprint which they follow to a fault.

    What exactly is Gold’s rugby philosophy? How does he believe a rugby game has to be won?

    JW had defense rugby
    HM has kicking rugby
    Plum has attack on turnover ball rugby

    What does Gold believe in….because to me he seems undecided, which leaves our players clue-less.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.09.15 13:40:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 4) : It is a good question that…
    I know how id LIKE the Sharks to play but what would concern me is seeing how badly our forwards are being beaten up so retaining our ball is a problem. Hence id probably kick it more and try put pressure through defense. However, with the players seemingly lack of conditioning that kick and defend strategy is very risky as players get tired quick.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.09.15 13:44:57 by SheldonK Reply

  • John Smit needs to grow some balls and make the hard decisions required to make us a top union again. First one would be to rid himself of Brendan Venter. Next would be to engage John Mitchell on the vacant Head coach job with the promise of little interferences and maximum backing. You can’t get rid of a Head coach like Jake the way you did and expert other coaches to jump at the opportunity knowing that the CEO does not have your back.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.09.15 13:46:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Hi Guys

    First time poster here. I’ve been a Shark fan for a long time and have never been this disappointed in my team for a long time. The stats speak for them self, losing more and more games and not just losing but getting hidings in the process. It’s disturbing to see the u19 and u21 as well as the vodacom cup teams performing poorly. those guys feed into the sharks machine so we can’t get too optimistic going forward. How did we lose players like Jesse Kriel and Pieter-Stef? Did they know something we don’t? Do we have a coach moving fwd as I understand Gold will move away from coaching and doing a director of rugby roll?

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.09.15 13:46:45 by markschrade Reply

  • personally i would start recruiting from the bulls . a player that is no longer playing for the u21 . those are the guys you want to target . thats how the Lions got franco mostert for example

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.09.15 13:46:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 6) : Good comment

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.09.15 13:48:50 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 8) : yeah and that’s how we got Gerhard “Turbo Reverse” Engelbrecht….

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.09.15 13:53:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @markschrade (Comment 7) : welcome to the site. I think the thing getting most of us so worked up is the fact that we simply cannot see the light at the end of this tunnel.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.09.15 13:53:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @markschrade (Comment 7) : Welcome to the site! Ja look, as much as we would like to blame it all on Gold, he can’t be held responsible for everything that is wrong with the Sharks. Something else is off here. Next year Gold will be overseeing all of our structures from the bottom up, and maybe this is not a bad thing. I honesty don’t think he is cut out to be a coach. Or he is just not interested. He thought he would be DOR by now, instead he is still coaching the CC team. I can’t remember his exact words, but when he was told in the beginning of the season he would need to coach another campaign, he certainly wasn’t to stoked about it.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.09.15 13:56:59 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Was just about to say the same lol! 😆

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.09.15 13:57:33 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 12) : I think it might be a good thing that he oversees the structures. Perhaps he is better at administration than actual coaching. Man I hate feeling so depressed about rugby. I haven’t enjoyed rugby this year at all. Perhaps the Bokke can make us happy rugby fans again.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.09.15 14:00:01 by markschrade Reply

  • @markschrade (Comment 14) : We can only hope.. *fingers crossed 😐

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.09.15 14:02:56 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : ha . I must admit after making my post i thought about it and realized the Lions also had the ‘advantage’ of having a gap year to let the side develop away from the pressure of performance

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.09.15 14:03:39 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 16) : I’m sorry, but that’s simply not on the table as an acceptable result for us.

    The Sharks weren’t reaching their potential when Smit took over, but they were not, I repeat NOT BROKEN. Any comparisons to what the Lions went through are invalid.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.09.15 14:08:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • If we have to worry about risking the ire of a deadbeat in anything that’s written 🙄

    ….. well, that’s not someone I want to be bothered with. So Gold, hopefully you see this when I say, no one wants you here.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.09.15 14:13:04 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

  • I wonder why we replaced a head coach with a director (Jake White) who was then forced to coach… then move White to his intended position then get rid of director and coach and replace with another director who is forced to coach… who is Human Resource manager?

    The second thing is Gary Golds most successful coaching stint has prob been Bath… where in 2013 he dropped the team to 7th place on the log he was then pushed into a director position and they got a coach who managed to jump them into 3rd place… why get rid of Plumstead who was consistantly getting into top 3 with a coach who can get us to first but hiring him as a director only to get rid of him and replace him with a person who has no track record as coach or director.

    Surly the sharks can hire a better director and coach who can bring the sharks back to winning ways while the brand still has money before it slumps (and funds join.. I am betting season ticket renewals and sales will drop at the end of this year which has halready had the worst attendance in a long time) as far as the lions did and requires a man to come in and dump a ridiculous amount of personal funds for several years to get the club to winning sides.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.09.15 14:14:33 by Warren Gareth Harvey Reply

  • This is still going to be a long year ahead. The heartache is not over.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.09.15 14:25:35 by StevieS Reply
  • @StevieS (Comment 20) : The sad truth is our forward pack is probably the 5th best in the comp so by being 4th at the moment we are actually over achieving

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.09.15 14:29:16 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) : I was, like most fans here, won over by the Dream Team of the 90’s. To think we’ve come to where we are now, and with those fine men in the stands watching made it even worse!

    I’m not even sure our pack is 5th best! I’d rate the Lions, Bulls, WP, Pumas and Cheetahs above our pack.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.09.15 14:34:59 by StevieS Reply
  • @StevieS (Comment 20) : Add the Boks at the RWC to that prediction of pain.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.09.15 14:37:48 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 24) : I’m hoping not to but…

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.09.15 14:41:44 by StevieS Reply
  • @Dragnipur (Comment 2) : Maybe its got something to do with the past academy coach now sitting in the Lions coaches box next to Johan Ackerman, that and the previous academy MD being I dont know where.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.09.15 14:41:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : Great point, you never hear anything about the Sharks Academy anymore. It used to turn out international quality players, now it’s fallen by the wayside.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.09.15 14:46:35 by StevieS Reply
  • Here we go…Smit’s master plan:

    “In May 2012 Bath Rugby appointed Gold as Head Coach of a coaching team that includes Ford, Brad Davis, Toby Booth and Neil Hatley. However, after a lacklustre season, Gold was elevated to Director of Rugby , with Ford becoming Head Coach. On 9 December 2013, Gold departed at the behest of owner Bruce Craig. (wikipedia)

    So this scenario has already been played out else where, no need to repeat it at the Sharks.

    Have a look at Gold’s coaching history on wikipedia, and tell me he’s the man to lead the Sharks to greatness?!

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.09.15 14:46:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Here is a link to Beets site with known school boy player movements to unions for next year.
    Its bleak.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.09.15 14:46:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 29) : I had a feeling as much…so do we expect a quality products using sub standard materials in production?

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.09.15 14:52:52 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : to be honest it’s a bit harsh to only blame “Gerhard “Turbo Reverse” Engelbrecht” as no other front row (except Thomas at loose head) was heading forward for much during any game. Must go further and say this Currie cup must probably be the worst performance by a Sharks pack of all time!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.09.15 15:21:41 by JD Reply
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  • Speaking of scrumtime, why is it that ever scrum that is decimated it ends in a penalty to the dominant pack – it makes no sense to me.

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.09.15 15:26:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • glad nobody bothered to check my maths. The real percentage is 35.55, not 41.

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.09.15 15:29:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : hell boet was so shocked that I did not even wanted to look at it twice never mind check your calculations!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.09.15 15:33:57 by JD Reply
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  • I think that 36% is a bit flattering. How many of those games were won by seriously close margins, as in ‘grab the nearest pole and hold on for dear life’ kind of scoreline.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.09.15 15:44:11 by DeanOwens Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 1) : I think I accidentally changed or moved a comment … clicked somewhere I shouldn’t have. 😯 Bokhorings comment 22 is gone and now an Old comment of mine is at the top of the page… 😳 😯

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.09.15 15:47:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : Can we hope to attract (or retain) quality prospects with sub-standard coaches like Gary Gold in charge?

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.09.15 15:47:17 by jonnow Reply

  • @JD (Comment 34) : Same! Hahahah 😆

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.09.15 15:49:04 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : if you scrum legal and is dominant the opposition must do something illegal to stop it and then they get penalised. However not all dominant packs scrum legal, so should get penalised!!!!! The refs however seems reluctant to do this and as it’s easier to blame the team going backwards they penalise them!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.09.15 15:50:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 36) : nice now you broke it!!!!!!!!! 😈 😈 😈

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.09.15 15:52:17 by JD Reply
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  • Getting gatvol there Rob? I agree, enough of being nice and supportive. Time for the knives to come out. 😈

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.09.15 15:53:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 31) : It was a poor effort all around. The only guy that looked like playing was Esterhuizen. Mjekevu is a massive defensive worry, Hadebe throws poor, tollie as well, and ag we can go on for days. An all around massive improvement in all departments are needed. I think this weekend we are in for a massive slaughtering. Sad to say.

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.09.15 15:54:31 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 42) : I think we should all be hoping for a humiliating defeat, as this is the only way that Smit’s hand will be forced into dumping this consistently poor coach.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.09.15 15:56:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @jonnow (Comment 37) : He isnt meant to be coaching. Crises do people not get the only reason he is coaching is because NOBODY else wanted to! So yes nobody wanting to coach wont attract players

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.09.15 16:04:51 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : He was DoR at Bath, and how well did he perform in that position?

    So why then would he have any more success as DoR than what he had at Bath?

    The guy is the most consistent coach on the planet…wherever he goes, teams fail.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.09.15 16:09:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Well if it isn’t in place yet this is where top management need to start implementing proper performance based contracts. I would say anything sub 55 percent should get you in review for dismissal. Or base it on the percentage for each phase. Halfway mark you must at least have shown 50% win or you are on review. Maybe even similar for players?

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.09.15 16:13:01 by coolfusion Reply

  • What i can’t help wondering, is why John Smit appointed a coach like Gary Gold to take on the role of coaching a team like the Sharks in the first place? It was clear for everyone to see that he had absolutely no history of success as a head coach, what was it that Smit saw in him that made him believe that Gary was the right man for the job.
    Anyway, I think we can safely say that the publicity stunt of appointing a rugby player with zero mangement experience as CEO of a major corporation has come back to bite the shark’s board in a big way.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.09.15 16:15:45 by jonnow Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 45) : Jake White was a proven winner- how did that work out for the Sharks? Heyneke Meyer was a proven winner- how did that work out for the Boks? Johan Ackermann had zero record- hows that working out for the Lions? Ive never said Gary Gold is my number 1 pick…what i have said is there is nobody else wanting the job. And that the players we have are sub standard- their history proves it.

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.09.15 16:17:25 by SheldonK Reply

  • @jonnow (Comment 47) : We all know Smit likes to work with guys he has in the past. So he has had Gold as a coach before so thought he could add value when every other coach was saying no thanks

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.09.15 16:18:58 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : You are starting to sound like a stuck record. We all know he was appointed as a DOR, just like Jake White was, but just like Jake, he was also head coach of the Sharks for SR. It was only after he screwed up the coaching aspect during SR that it was announced that Gold would have a more hands off DOR position at the Sharks, which is in itself a cop-out as it rewards failure instead of making it accountable.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.09.15 16:19:55 by jonnow Reply

  • @JD (Comment 39) : Towards the end of the game the Sharks were going backwards, didnt bring the scrum to a stop and Rasta pinged them ever time. Its a stupid call because the Stormmers were virtually walking all over the place with the scrum, gaining massive amounts of ground and then after all that getting a penalty out of it. How long will it be before the call goes out that all the props are injured and that scrums must be uncontested.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.09.15 16:23:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @jonnow (Comment 50) : No mate you mixing your facts up im afraid. Gold was appointed DOR and would coach the super rugby side but was always going to be hands off after super rugby. The fact that nobody wanted to touch the Sharks meant he had to coach CC. The cop out is that Smit as CEO wasnt able to secure a coach after he burned bridges with Plum and White so has thrown Gold in the deep end. But hey lets rather just stick with the Gold Out stuck record speech as we believe that will solve everything.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.09.15 16:23:56 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : Sometimes you just need to draw pictures, and if you arent able to draw pictures then talk very slowly, if that doesnt work then just start pulling your hair out and blame the education system.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.09.15 16:26:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • If John Smit suddenly gets rid of Gold without giving him a chance to be DOR does anyone think ANY coach will come near the Sharks after the way the last 3 caches- Plum,White,Gold were treated? Forget it

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.09.15 16:29:14 by SheldonK Reply

  • @jonnow (Comment 50) : Nope Gold was employed as DoR.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.09.15 16:32:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Nee hel hoeveel keer moet ‘n mens nog se John Smit en sy pelle is die probleem en ook die flippen board die flippen goed moet gaan – begin skoon,

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.09.15 16:39:08 by Leon Schrenk Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : Hahaha….so you think Gary Gold was “thrown in at the deep end”
    because he was asked to step in and coach the Shark’s currie cup team? Heaven help us, the Sharks are in more trouble than I thought….

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.09.15 16:47:52 by jonnow Reply

  • @jonnow (Comment 57) : Gold is fulfilling a role now that someone else should be doing, in the meantime the role that he should be fulfilling ie trying to just get a semblance of balance in the coaching and playing affairs of the Sharks as a whole are just being neglected even more. We are losing time now and the longer that goes on the further back we slip.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.09.15 16:56:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I’ve officially moved on from frequently disappointed to deeply concerned.

    In case anyone was wondering.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.09.15 16:58:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I know emotion are pretty high and people are pissed, but firing the coach believing things will get better is a cop-out, and in my experience not fix the problem.

    The coach is an easy target, because he is right there and known – but there are hundreds of people in the background taking care of systems and programmes – the elite structures are a result of what happens there, not the cause.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.09.15 17:00:36 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 60) : How does one go about changing a union’s culture though and do the Sharks have the personnel willing to drive this?

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.09.15 17:10:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 59) : Oh crap. That’s like the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying: “Mr President, we have moved to DefCon five…”

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.09.15 17:17:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 62) : Thanks for understanding the gravity of my personal feelings towards the union 😀

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.09.15 17:20:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Jonnow – you have it right, Gold was appointed to the same role that Jake left. Director of Rugby. But that still meant he had to coach the Super Rugby team. Just like Jake did. And just what he ended up doing – because that’s what he was hired for!

    How anyone can now say he wasn’t hired to coach the Super Rugby team is beyond me and the transpired facts.

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.09.15 17:22:16 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 61) :

    Look I don’t proclaim to know or even have the answers and it would be arrogant of me to think otherwise. I don’t know what is happening inside the structures so this is an educated, or even uneducated guess.

    If you build anything you start at the foundation – the very bottom, the very low end – if that is weak, it will all come tumbling down spectacularly.

    So I will put a lot of weighting in my approach in my junior HP structures – that is the long term turn-around strategy but the one that is most important.

    As for the short term turn-around strategies I will focus on the things I can control, and the one thing I can control is attitude. That starts with my leadership group which is a mixture of the on-field and off-field managers, captains and general leadership group.

    Culture is built around attitude, attitude is instilled through discipline and disciplined is built around 4 pillars:

    Commonality (being on the same page)
    Trust (in yourself, your coach, your team mates)
    Relevance (if you are not relevant, you do not exist)
    Accountability (put your balls on the line, take responsibility – accountability creates excellence)

    Uncomplicate things, from the boardroom to the playing field.

    And those who don’t fit in, can %#^* off.


  • Comment 65, posted at 14.09.15 17:26:01 by Morné Reply
  • Sharks press release when Gold was announced as Jake White’s replacement as DoR:

    The Sharks CEO John Smit said: “Gary is an experienced coach who brings a wealth of knowledge and an impressive level of commitment to his new role.”

    If he wasn’t here to coach the team at all (we know he was here to do what Jake did) then why mention his coaching experience at all?

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.09.15 17:28:37 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • More like an impressive ability to talk about “character” ffs.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.09.15 17:30:09 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : Sounds a lot (at least most of it) like what Jake was trying to do.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.09.15 17:53:31 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 65) : You keep on banging on about the Sharks being devoid of a culture.
    If you had been at K.P on Saturday on the side of the field there was a team of guys who are the Sharks culture.
    To a man from the Aussie Tommie Lawton to Vleis Visage,these guy s epitomise our culture.
    The problem is we handed control of our team to a group who have not got that culture,not John he earned it,but guys like Venter and Gold and White who came in from the outside and proceeded to demolish that culture and replace it with the square root of fuck all.

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.09.15 18:18:34 by The hound Reply
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  • …then we have a look at both the Waratahs and the Wobblies:

    Fire the coach and voila, SR trophy and AB scalp respectively…no long protracted stories about junior structures and foundational issues.

    …but now we need to trust that Gary – the perenial failure – will miraculously put all the building block in place to make the Sharks a successful team….I for one won’t be holding my breath.

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.09.15 18:26:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 69) : To be fair though, Morne didn’t even mention it in his post, I brought it up. But agreed, the culture that was once in place is certainly not being honoured at the moment.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.09.15 18:35:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 69) :
    Touché. I think Sharks culture was defined by Ian Mac. Let’s face it, no coach since he left has replicated his success and respect/culture he installed. Fact that Olivier Roumat and Federico Mendez made the trip to SA and were in the stands for the 125 celebration, shows that Sharks obviously mean something to them, even as foreigners. Those teams in the 1990’s wore the jersey with pride.
    Sharks had a few lean years in the early 2000’s. Personally I think Plum was doing a good job, was never a fan of the decision to sack him.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.09.15 18:40:45 by Quinnyshark Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 70) : nice example with the Waratahs… a new coach certainly cannot be any worse… but no, apparently we must stick with Gold according to some. Do they have no ambition? Are they blind to all evidence?

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.09.15 18:42:33 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

    Gold's Member
  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 73) : another example is the sacking of Putt…that pointed the Sharks back in the right direction.

    Ludeke at the bulls is another example of a poor coach unable to utilise the structures at his disposal…yet a simple coaching change has them firing on most cylinders again.

    No matter how good your structures, if you have a poor coach, you won’t reach your potential.

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.09.15 18:48:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 69) :

    I know the history of the Sharks quite well. There is immense pride immersed in the union and believe me, definitely not lost.

    Those who knows it even better than any of us, are the players who live it day-to-day.

    But there is a hell of a difference in living, eating, breathing a culture, and remembering one. A hell of a difference but a very small line.

    And it is this line that is blurred.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.09.15 18:52:52 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 75) : …the current coach sure has no clue on how to un-blur that line….nor does he strike me as th type to introduce any form of culture or team ethos. His coaching history suggests that I’m not far off.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.09.15 18:59:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 76) :

    As a rule I do not judge the abilities of another if I have not experienced the situation myself or have similar credentials or experience.

    But, in my limited experience in coaching and observing people coach at an elite level, I can promise you it is probably the most difficult and unthankful job in rugby. If things go well, the players are awesome, if things go bad, the coach is kak.

    It will take a hell of a lot from me to criticise a coach’s ability – no matter the team.

    The only guy that ever drove me over the edge was Kobus vd Merwe many moons ago 😈

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.09.15 19:06:32 by Morné Reply
  • John Smit should phone Plum tail between the legs, man up and do the piblic apology. So that we can bring back running rugby with offloading in the tackle. Loose trio that can chip qnd chase like wingers, pass like centers and by jove tackle anything that moves. Maybe just maybe our backline can have one set move atleast. We have taken the worst aspects of the last 3 coaches and stuck with that. Sharks forever guys. Every uphill has its downhill.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.09.15 19:11:16 by jdolivier Reply

  • @Morné (Comment 77) : as this deals with your profession, I guess I understand your stance….and will read between the lines that you’d rather say nothing about Gold as there’s nothing good to be said (from a coaching perspective – he’s probably a decent bloke as a person)

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.09.15 19:16:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Hulle se n vis begin vrot by die kop, nie die stert nie. Correct me if I am wrong, but for me…since Plum left and Smit took charge, EVERYTHING came tumbling down!!!!! #heartbreaking

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.09.15 22:31:38 by capesharks Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 79) : He clearly is nice bloke and cant be a complete imbecile based on his twitter handle, old articles and running a oack that beat the All Blacks in NZ as well as the BI Lions. HC seems an issue as no evidence so far of motivation or getting guys back into form.

    Based in Morne’s comments and results of ALL lower levels, there clearly is no foumdation anymore and this has come over years. When last were a age group or Vodacom squad in a final let alone win it? The top side has been loaded with talent but is clearly not in the top 3 anymore and with no upwards pressure from lower sides, the picture looks as poor as the results. However, there is more than enough talent to push any team in the CC or SR but there is no gel / gees / culture / fight / pride or call it what you want, to drive the players to give it their absolute all. That for me is the sadest of all. A DOR / High Performance Manager is needed and it is going to take two or three seasons to get this right but delaying this, is making the situatiom only worse.

    Yes a new HC is urgently needed, to inject energy but also to solely focus on getting the current squad to play at their best abilities and as a unit. Give this person the full mandate and work hand in hand with DOR to get the other areas to come along on the journey.

    A John Mitchell or Stonehouse would not take any nonsense and get the team to perform or at least the guys who are willing to give it a go with them. Deans is proven class despite his Aussie bomb but can one of these be lured? Joe Schmidt or any other NZ coach willing? I dont know but the Sharks surely still has some pulling power and some guys just love the difficult challenges. Any news on Chean Roux’s contract status post WC? His Maties sides were drilled and clinical but oozed flair. Hawies or Swys would be my personal favs due to their style of play and getting results with deemed lesser players.
    Dont rush and just willy nilly get a HC but taking too long results in just more pain, less confidence a bigger hole….

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.09.15 22:32:03 by Kabouter Reply

  • 2010 Curriecup Final!!! What a day!!!! Will never forget it!!! Where are THOSE boys???? Can we get them back please???? 🙁

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.09.15 22:33:24 by capesharks Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 81) : Running a pack for the Boks…..

    How do you edit comment via app?

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.09.15 22:33:27 by Kabouter Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 78) : BRING BACK THE PLUM!!!!!!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.09.15 22:34:08 by capesharks Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 81) :

    How is Jimmy doing in Japan?

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.09.15 22:56:38 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 77) :

    The most difficult and thankless job in rugby is surely that of a referee.

    Coaches have a high pressure job, but they are pretty well “thanked” with $$$$ and if successful, whether through luck or skill, they get plenty praise and adulation as well as book deals and speaking and consultancy gigs.

  • Comment 86, posted at 15.09.15 04:34:19 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 85) : Cant find a lot as league only starts after WC if I remember correctly.

    Interesting that Jimmy is not listed as coach on Wikipedia but that does not mean much these days. As someone in the know, do you have any titbits?

    Does anyone know if Steyn still has a contract with the Lupus?

  • Comment 87, posted at 15.09.15 06:24:37 by Kabouter Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 81) : That is an interesting comment about Hawies. Sometimes the lines are blurred. When Naka was coach, everybody went on how rubbish he was, and when the Cheetahs had their best season, Hawies as his backline coach, and Horak as his defence coach were the flavour. Hawies hasn’t made much headway with Griquas as head coach since. Pote Human had Griquas playing hard and effective rugby. Naka was a better head coach than many give him credit for. He had relatively little big name players available, yet the period that he was coach, was arguably the Cheetahs better years.
    Horak went to Kings and then Sharks, and everybody here was saying how shit he was. Deans is another example. At the Crusaders with the best talent available he was a star, yet at the Wobblies, less so.
    My point is how much of success or failure can be directly attributed to a coach? Plum gets it on here as well, but surely if a coach can get a team to the semi-finals of a tournament, then the players should be able to grasp that opportunity? If the loss was attributed to bad replacement calls, well sure. Injuries, and bad calls have a profound influence on how a match ends. I recall one season where the Cheetas lost something like 7 matches by small margins, in a few of those there were bad calls. Such is life. Had they won a few of those games, they would have ended higher on the log.

  • Comment 88, posted at 15.09.15 06:36:19 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 87) : I dont think Stonehouse is a head coach of a side, from what i understand he went as more of an advisor and a sort of internship role of some sort. Was very vague the communication other than he is off to japan to coach a bit

  • Comment 89, posted at 15.09.15 08:40:12 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 87) : Isnt Steyn signed fulltime to Montpelier now?

  • Comment 90, posted at 15.09.15 08:41:08 by SheldonK Reply

  • Truth is that the coach takes the credit and the blame. It’s part and parcel of pro sport. We can go on and on about culture, backroom staff, board members, players, physios and that one guy’s uncle, but it stops and starts with the coach.

    This is an accepted fact in modern professional sport. So based on that… Gold out.

    And I don’t want Plum back either. After the final appearance our performance dropped off rapidly as his inability to adapt his aging game plan caught up with us. We played shit rugby under him the last year and I (and many others so lets not bs ourselves) was glad to see him go. He is a forwards coach, perhaps assistant but he’s not head coach material.

    I don’t know what the realistic coaching options are and what’s being discussed but I do know that put enough $ on the table and we should be able to get someone decent. That’s pro sport for you.

  • Comment 91, posted at 15.09.15 08:43:30 by Dryden Reply

  • @Dryden (Comment 91) : So just Gold out or all the assistant coaches, conditioning staff, video analysis guys etc that are responsible for preparing the team?

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.09.15 08:55:20 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : I’d opt to fire the mascot too, he nearly got in the way of Odwa’s try on Saturday. Sharkie OUT!

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.09.15 09:14:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • 😮
    My biggest concern is actually not the results. Obviously that is concerning, but we’ve gone through patches like this, where the results just didn’t come, but the way the guys played were encouraging. Sometimes it was just an issue of experience and knowing when to temper your expansive play with save play. Sometimes over exuberance resulted in bad errors and tries to more experienced teams. Those were things I could accept, because I felt with time those things will sort itself out. I felt like the guys there just needed to make these errors and learn from their mistakes.

    Now, we are sitting in a whole different mess, where the guys are experienced enough, know what it is they have to do, they just can’t execute. They can’t do the fundamentals right! Scrums, Line-outs, Man on Man tackles, passing … even catching. Why are we struggling to do these things? Not to mention there is no evidence of good running lines – playing from depth when needed and playing flat when there’s an opportunity. We just don’t look good at all.

    The one positive aspect that I can point out, is that every now and then when we keep the ball for more than 5 phases (not very often), our forwards work well in making meters for us. That is a huge positive and maybe that’s because Gold is a forwards coach. The problem is, usually, even after surging into opposition 22, we tend to just lose the ball.

    There is definitely something up with the coaching. I got so upset watching the Bulls/Lions game. I miss watching rugby that gets me excited. If I started watching the Sharks this year, I would not have become a Shark supporter. I grew up in Welkom, Freestate and started supporting the Sharks because of the way they played. I will never support any other team, but I am a very frustrated supporter. I just wish they guys will play some proper rugby that we as fans can enjoy … even if they have to lose.

  • Comment 94, posted at 15.09.15 09:23:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 93) : he should have rather tried to tackle Senatla than try to hug Odwa…yeh someone def needs a word with him.

  • Comment 95, posted at 15.09.15 09:25:38 by SheldonK Reply

  • Reading these comments is depressing me. Gold is a serious proble. The guy simply does not see when its time to make drastic changes. He continually awards mediocrit. There is a real problem in the sharks right now we keep losing youngsters which have some real talent. Just to name a few players the sharks have failed to secure and are now shining for their teams. Jesse and Dan Kriel, Jacques du Plessis, Ruan Combrink and the one that really angers me Rob du Preez. what on earth were they thinking there? where is that kid we got from WP when we lost Rob? I cant even remember his name. If i cant bear to watch a sharks game on TV, whats on earth will make me want to go to Kings Park. Please please Gold, just go and stop doing this to my beloved Sharks

  • Comment 96, posted at 15.09.15 09:26:25 by AYA11 Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 94) : For me it boils down to 2 simple things…self doubt and our physicality in the contact. Self doubt as the players know they have made mistakes so are so worried about making more mistakes that they end up either doing nothing or making the very mistake they dread. Se;f doubt is not easily cured. Then physicality in the contact…we are coming our 2nd best at most tackles, rucks, scrums and mauls…and if you arent winning the contact your attacking game goes to shite and its very tough to defend.

  • Comment 97, posted at 15.09.15 09:28:50 by SheldonK Reply

  • Gold is useless plain and simple.

  • Comment 98, posted at 15.09.15 11:55:49 by Honey Badger Reply

    Honey Badger
  • After every game.

    It’s our fault, we have lots of work to do.

    Stop saying it and do something or leave.

  • Comment 99, posted at 15.09.15 11:57:11 by Honey Badger Reply

    Honey Badger
  • Robert Du Preez should be at the Sharks and Gold at the leopards.

  • Comment 100, posted at 15.09.15 11:59:34 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : My only knowledge of both are from mates who played under Naka and Hawies. Both played for Sharks later but one had to retire within first few games. He also won a SR title with Bulls before jetting off to France

    They viewed Hawies in very high regard and that he is tactically astute and would do very well with an above average squad.

  • Comment 101, posted at 15.09.15 12:05:53 by Kabouter Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 83) : haha, you raise an enhancement request

  • Comment 102, posted at 15.09.15 12:42:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 101) : Well therein lies the crux! I have often wondered what Naka’s performance would have been like, had he had the likes of Bulls/Sharks quality squad to work with. By contrast, how would someone like Plum have fared with the limitations that Naka faced?

  • Comment 103, posted at 15.09.15 14:47:36 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 103) : Yeh fair point, player base is very often overlooked when assessing a coach. However, some coaches actually do better with lesser known players than high profile ones. As an example its easy to motivate say a Cheetahs side playing the Crusaders saying we underdogs, lets go out and tackle hard and run what we can and try surprise them. Not sure how that team talk and tactics would work if you were Crusaders coach against the Cheetahs. if that makes sense?

  • Comment 104, posted at 15.09.15 14:52:30 by SheldonK Reply

  • We clearly have many many issues to work through

    im not of the opinion that firing gold would solve this

    granted with a limited playing staff i would have expect some what better results none the less

    I love the sharks, but i also love the sport of rugby

    and as a person who has followed professional sports for 2 decades from the age of 8, im also well aware that your choosen team or person that you choose to back within that sporting discipline wont dominate or even win every single yeat in every single tournament during the season

    so i dont expect greatness all the time, and the down times do make the up times even sweeter

    lets look at the currie cup for what it is these days, i still love watching it, but it has evolved in many ways over the past 2 decades

    the cc is a tournament of teams sans: boks camp players (or bok wc squad players every four years) though we’re not exactly sure how the saru system works, in relation to who stays in the camp and still gets to play for the franchise on match day weekends in the cc if they are not in the bok 23 if the boks are playing or just given a opertunity to get some game time

    also there are no players who have signed dual contracts to void the cc to play in japan (and coin it)

    thirdly some player had contracts that ended after SR and have gone to europe for good, or they were given early release from their contracts to go to europe. And in a unique case lions hooker acker vander merve signed a short term loan deal to play in france to then return for SR, likely in a effort to give their other quality hookers marx and coatsee as much game time as possible

    so if u strip yout super rugby team of those three groups, what are you left with

    WP and bulls squads arent that bad. Lions are the best even with out whitely and mapoe. jantjies in japan.

    We got hit the worse. even though love seeing so many good young players. Majola, the twins, ungerer (his still young lets not give up on him just yet), marais, april, JC etc. Our balance between youth and experience

    I was upset when we let Botha go back to europe to play for newcastle after on OK SR season, he wasnt great but he could have helped alot in cc with his ability and experience

    Gold should make his planned move to DOR after the CC, and either john michell, dick muir, stonehouse etc should step in

    lets start a fresh guys. all is not lost

  • Comment 105, posted at 15.09.15 16:13:52 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 105) : Sounds very reasonable. Nto sure Dick Muir will get involved-he is making easy money at Investec Academy. John Mitchell comes with his own pitfalls…remember he has clashed big time with new zealand, lions etc. Not sure what the Stonehouse situation is but perhaps someone becomes available after the RWC. So just let these guys do what they can in the CC with limited resources

  • Comment 106, posted at 15.09.15 16:22:23 by SheldonK Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 105) : How can we start fresh if Gary Gold will stay in the ‘system’?

  • Comment 107, posted at 15.09.15 16:27:31 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : Lol, that is true too. That said, it has become dangerous to underestimate any team in S15/18

  • Comment 108, posted at 15.09.15 17:16:14 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 107) : Gold shifts to DOR and gets stuck in there

    and we get a New Head coach with guys with most of the current back room staff of everitt etc assisting in a way that the new coach wants

    Sacking gary gold wont help our situation at all, we cant just keep changing every 8 months, give people a chance

    by the way, why is the vibe on the site about jake white like he was force out of the sharks ?
    I figure he came in, did a good job (i didnt agree with all of his ideas, but i never agree 100% with any coach), everyone was on him about us supposedly playing boring rugby, which i disagreed with, i felt it was hella entertaining watchin us dominate. I didnt like how he marginalized keagan though, and kanko played alot while really not exactly performing that well at all.

    And then he felt he wanted to move to montpillar after possibly no national team spots openned up

    there was talk of some older players being upset that he wanted them their at 8am

    but i doubt he was forced out, i figure he just went after a new challenge

    He is a good coach

    he need to sent paul willamse our way, for old time sack lol, that kid is so good

  • Comment 109, posted at 15.09.15 18:39:24 by revolverocelot Reply


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