Blast from the past

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 11 Nov 2015 at 10:38
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Former Natal and Springbok sporting legend Tommy Bedford will do a sports talk in Cape Town on Wednesday the 25th November.

The former Springbok captain and Natal legend, now lives in London and has a wide range of knowledge on many subjects. He will be interviewed by probably SA’s leading rugby writer, author and Supersport journalist, Gavin Rich.

Rich used to read Tommys writings in the local Durban newspaper as a young boy, little knowing that he would be interviewing him 40 years later.

Tickets are R100 per person includes a finger supper, for more information and to book please contact Paul.


  • So Dave contacted you? lol

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.11.15 10:40:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I put this up on our NSS FB page too, would be great to hear from Uncle Tommy lol legend of note.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.11.15 10:41:43 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 1) : we’re all one big family, aren’t we?

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.11.15 10:42:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • You bet you’re bottom dollar, that is why I suggestered you approach you too.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.11.15 10:43:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I was just not sure if he already had, I was going to ask you and then I saw your post lol

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.11.15 10:44:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Wouldn’t it be great to actually be there during the talk?

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.11.15 10:44:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 6) : yup.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.11.15 10:46:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’d love to be there…pity it is not in our neck of the woods…

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.11.15 11:04:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 4) : Man in the mirror..

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.11.15 11:30:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • This is the man who invented the sweatband,long before John Mc Enroe,and Abba.
    Greatest Natal rugby player of all time.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.11.15 11:37:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : one of the all time great SA rugby players!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.11.15 11:54:32 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 11) : Tommie Bedford,Piet Greyling,Jan Ells,I sometimes wonder if they were as good as what I thought they were,or if I just would like them to have been.

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.11.15 12:04:53 by The hound Reply
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  • I will be there with a group from the Ct Sharks Club. It is going to be interesting …….. here is a post from Tommy on the RWC;From: Tom Bedford
    I was invited to yesterday´s RWC final between New Zealand and
    Australia (ticket cost noted at £715!).

    It was a great occasion with great rugby, showing how the
    professional game can be played if teams are willing to give it a go
    and think and run at cracking pace outside the customary “safety” box
    of relentless grinding away with battering ram stuff into the
    opposition or resorting to kicking aimless up-and-unders turning
    rugby into a fundamentally different game.

    I was also at the Bronze final the night before played in the now
    converted Olympic Stadium (which is going to be a great venue for
    West Ham playing their football in this truly fine and comfortable
    stadium for spectators – something Twickenham can never hope to be).
    Unlike the final though the runner´s-up match between South Africa
    and Argentina was a shadow of what one saw and experienced in terms
    of sheer entertainment value, and thus money´s worth, when compared
    in modern rugby terms to New Zealand´s riveting beating of Australia
    in front of Twickenham’s 80,000 spectators.

    There were, of course, other games which stirred in this RWC. One
    thinks of teams like Japan trying so hard, and succeeding, to play
    with a difference against the initially more fancied bigger boys
    (like South Africa) in the tournament. Samoa was another such
    team. And so was Argentina.

    And then there were the teams written-up for so many months
    predominantly by the British press and media – all of which crashed
    out of the tournament, some of them doing so pretty badly.
    England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and France all going out
    indicated how the media hype for months beforehand about their
    prowess was simply over the top.

    The British and European rugby problem would seem to me to be that
    with the British Pound and Euro so strong as currencies compared to
    those of the southern hemisphere countries (eg 1 GBP equal to 22 Rand
    or 2.2 Aussie dollars, and the Euro conversion not much less) these
    countries are now being overrun by foreign, largely southern
    hemisphere, players who can earn a good deal more playing just club
    rugby professionally in Britain and Europe than they can back home in
    more demanding provincially related competitions. This influx of
    players means places in teams are being given over and up to the
    foreigners, thereby keeping local talent out of finding places in
    local club teams. This causes an ever increasing hole in rugby
    over here because indigenous player talent being excluded means there
    is an increasing lack of adequately groomed and experienced local
    talent available for international level selection amongst the
    foremost British and European club teams. France is probably the
    prime example of this trend. It´s club teams are riddled with
    foreign players earning large amounts of dosh. Jake White at
    Montpelier has recruited South Africans by the lorry load. Paris
    Metro has recruited the Rugby Player of the Year, Dan Carter, to
    begin playing for the club in three weeks time apart from the already
    foreign legion of imports there. Yet it wasn´t that long ago that
    France could beat the All Blacks in previous RWC´s but here they were
    in 2015 getting absolutely thrashed by the Kiwis.

    The big disappointment though for me was the performance of the
    Springboks. In the RWC in 1995 the `Boks were lucky to beat the
    French in rain soaked Durban allowing them to go through and
    eventually into the final to beat the All Black´s through Joel
    Stransky´s last minute dropped goal. In 2007 the Boks coached by
    Jake White played dour rugby to win that RWC with the aid of more
    kicking and emphasis again on defence, hoping the other teams would
    make the mistakes for the Boks to capitalise on. And in this RWC
    the Boks again played their mostly defensive card with more
    unimaginative, dour and mindless traditional battering ram type rugby
    throughout as their attacking mode. It was only in their last match
    in the Bronze final that Henke Meyer´s Boks changed tactics and
    actually threw the ball uncharacteristically about in the first half.
    Schalk Burger, who opted to live amongst the Bok backs along with
    locks Etsebet and Lood in all the matches, had up to then never
    passed a ball of the very many he took positioned as fly-half, dying
    with the lot of them. This role of stifling his backline completely
    (along with Etsebet and Lood) none-the-less amazingly earned him the
    “Man of the Match” award in two of the Bok´s matches with the
    awarders – and Meyer – obviously oblivious that this repeated
    intrusion amongst the backs cramped the whole backiline and nullified
    completely the potentially potent centres with hardly a ball ever fed
    to Habana and Pietersen on the wings (who had to make do with trying
    for intercept scraps). Against Argentina in the Bronze match
    though Burger passed every ball but one in the first half. This
    belated change of tactic immediately allowed the Bok backline to
    start performing even as Matfield took on Lood´s place alongside
    Etsebet amongst them. But come the second half this strategy
    completely evaporated. The team lapsed back to type, looked
    rudderless, played indifferently and was saved from one Argentinian
    onslaught after the other again by their solid defence. This
    succeeded in producing a pretty boring second half of rugby. The
    55,000 crowd had paid lots of money to be entertained and while the
    Argentinians were trying to make a go of it this was not being done
    by the Springboks. So inept and just plain old boring was this for
    many that the Mexican wave at times took over amongst disgruntled
    spectators with the game fully in progress.

    So one has to ask, like England is doing regarding their coach
    Lancaster, what Heneke Meyer’s game plan was in terms of selection
    and in the preparation of the players in the +-4 years leading up to
    this RWC?

    Frik du Preez and his Rustenburg mates, with whom I spent some time
    on their tour of the Boks rugby matches, felt strongly that good men
    and true had not been selected by Meyer and his co-selectors when
    they should have been. They discussed fullbacks, wings, centres,
    flyhalves, props, hookers and loose forwards – effectively every
    position in the team had question marks hanging for them over Meyer´s
    selection. Certainly when seeing what entertainment value other
    teams and other players gave to this tournament one could not help
    feeling, patriotism aside, what little value South Africa contributed
    to it even though the Springboks did manage to come in third. Meyer
    didn´t even play all the players in his chosen squad of 31 players –
    surely indicating a fraught selection to begin with. Imagine coming
    on tour and then not playing, or just playing for a couple of minutes
    as some of the squad did end up doing as replacements? What is
    certainly difficult to fathom about the Bok squad´s selection is for
    Meyer not to have opted for a single player from the Golden Lions
    when the Lions have been unbeaten and won the Currie Cup! Is it
    any wonder that even Cosatu expressed their misgivings about the
    Springbok selection (before the RWC squad was chosen)?

    I have little knowledge of what the South African media and their
    pundits have reported on the Springbok selection and the performances
    of the Boks in their RWC matches. I saw the Boks play in the
    flesh a few times, as well as watching them on television in others.
    When they played Japan in their first match at Brighton, I found
    myself in the end actually cheering on the Japanese, so much value
    were the Japanese for sheer rugby enjoyment with their verve and
    gutsy performance compared to what the Boks were putting into a
    woeful performance. In their match against Wales it was another
    unconvincing Bok performance when Wales had already of necessity to
    make a raft of changes due to injury and then suffered more injuries
    forcing more player replacements in the quarter final match at
    Twickenham. In the Boks last match in the RWC, against the
    Argentine on Friday night, I found myself again willing the
    Argentinians on to break the Springbok line defended by bigger and
    bulkier men for them to score since the Argentinians were the only
    ones really trying to play rugby and entertain us in that second half
    of the match. It does not seem to have entered the South African
    psyche that if match tickets now cost what they do the players as
    paid professionals have at very least to provide the entertainment
    for the full 80 minutes they are on the field. Everyone at SARU
    needs to understand this, and none more so than the team´s plethora
    of coaches and assistants. Nothing less will do.

    After this RWC then South Africans, and not only Cosatu, are fully
    entitled to ask how it is that with years of preparation and millions
    lavished on rugby at this professional level through players,
    officials, coaches and managers earning millions, how is it that the
    Springboks in the main play such crap, unentertaining, sterio-typed,
    boring, battering ram, unimaginative, dour kicking rugby which
    provides very little entertainment value compared to what other rugby
    playing countries achieved over the 6 weeks of the RWC? Yes, once
    upon time South Africa used to win matches and RWC´s using perhaps
    those traditional tactics but the game has clearly moved on except,
    seemingly, for us? Can we come remotely close to the class act
    shown by the All Blacks and the Wallabies in the final, or in some of
    their matches leading up to the final? This tournament has shown we
    can´t even match the Japanese minnows as their coach (and about-to-be
    coach of the Stormers), Eddie Jones, so bluntly pointed out in a
    recent interview the (British) Guardian newspaper.

    It is not harsh or unpatriotic saying these things. I have not been
    a lover of professional rugby because it became stereo-typed and
    plain boring to me, primarily having had the flair amateur rugby
    allowed its individual players to indulge in, completely coached out
    of it. Aspects of the game as demonstrated by some of the teams
    trying and succeeding in doing things differently in this RWC changed
    my mind somewhat. Will this be the catalyst for changing rugby
    everywhere and re-introducing a differing coaching nous, differing
    flair and differing skills generally that entertain? I do hope so.
    Will rugby under SARU though grab the sorely needed nettle to
    transform not only the banging on of that hoary old racial drum but
    also the way we play it on the field in future? I wonder.

    I appreciate the SA press, media and the tv pundits (among them old
    Boks) may present an entirely different picture of the way the
    Springboks fared and played in the RWC. If so they are in league
    with the eulogy paid the Springbok team by the country´s Minister of
    Sport, Fikile Mbalula, yesterday.

    But perhaps if dispassionate (international) proof were needed as to
    how little thought is given to what Springbok rugby brought to the
    table in this RWC, in today´s London Sunday Times Stephen Jones, Sean
    Fitzpatrick, Stuart Barnes, Shane Horgan, Michael Lynagh and Lawrence
    Dallaglio – by a long chalk none of them rugby slouches – have each
    selected their best team of XV players from the tournament. By
    country this is how their combined numbers stack up: New Zealand 34,
    Australia 23 (as one would expect from the two teams in the most
    entertaining of finals); Argentina 14; Fiji 5; Wales 5; Japan 3;
    South Africa 3 (which one ought not have expected from a team coming
    third in the tournament but is, I suggest, indicative of the kind of
    rugby the Boks played); Canada 2; Ireland 1.


  • Comment 13, posted at 11.11.15 13:02:39 by DaveB Reply

  • @DaveB (Comment 13) : This is magnificent,what an eloquent insightful man,hell after reading this Meyer should do the right thing and go.Even Sheldon will be nodding along with this.

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.11.15 13:19:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @DaveB (Comment 13) : eish eish eish,power words from a power person,just goes to show the nonsense that is Bok rugby

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.11.15 13:59:53 by benji Reply
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  • Just read this again can’t believe how well he has voiced everything I have been thinking for a long time.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.11.15 14:19:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @DaveB (Comment 13) : Good read, thank you!

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.11.15 15:01:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Still a legend….still pure class.

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.11.15 18:02:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Personally I am definitely on the side of replacing HM ASAP.

    After reading the last paragraph, with the players for teams of the tournament, I have to wonder if the style the Boks played may not be the most effective way for a “less talented” team to do well or win the tournament. The Boks were very close to the All Blacks, things could have easily been different. What if that style of play had won the tournament, which was not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

    No attacks please, just asking the question, and I think it is a legitimate one.

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.11.15 18:12:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : The infection is spreading. 😈

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.11.15 19:05:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : Maybe we would have had more players on that list if Heyneke selected the right players to begin with. 🙄

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.11.15 19:12:06 by Ben Reply
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  • Would have been nice if he actually gave the boks credit for winning the ’95 & ’07 rwc.they actually did win it,you know.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.11.15 19:21:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : really and seriously ?

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.11.15 23:37:46 by benji Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : In that game we did not score one point of our own making and relied on their mistakes for all our points.They crossed our line twice and scored a drop goal.We were lucky to get a refree who saw most things our way.On another day with a different that same game could have been thrashing.To win a WC you should be able to score your own points.
    Read Tommy’s points,he puts it all into perspective.Wynand Claassens,Divan Serfontein,Tommy Bedford they can’t all be wrong.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.11.15 05:48:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 14) : Don’t hold your breath on that. That’s a big HM fan that defends him at all costs even if the rest of the world is saying Heyneke, your tactics and man management skills are crap.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.11.15 06:08:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : They came very close to winning. The international world would have been up in arms whilst we partied hard. We would have however woken up with a very painful hangover asking ourselves how did we get back home, where did we leave our car and most importantly, where are the car keys? The party would have been nice but the consequences would have been disastrous…as it would give credence to these type of game plan and even given the likes of Gold the assurance that this rugby wins you that one big trophy. This fallout and HM being fired is exactly what the country needs to start a rugby revolution. Any coach in SA that will coach that old Bulls rugby will be very brave. Sure even the likes of Gold got a very rude awakening.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.11.15 06:25:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 21) : That’s my second problem with HM. He has favourites, every coach has favourites but HM has favourites from 1 to 15. How the likes of Faf de Klerk, Lambie, Elton, Kriel, Mapoe were not prominent features over the past 2 years and in this RWC is just hard to believe. I don’t buy that whole Pollard is 21 argument and will therefore make mistakes when you have guys that are also young but are more complete. I would understand if Lambie and Elton were 31 years old….but these two are 24, 25 years. So why is Pollard given special treatment?

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.11.15 06:33:36 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 24) : I’ve got a feeling that if it wasn’t a world cup semi, New Zealand would have smashed us in that game.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.11.15 06:57:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 25) : I’ve given up already. Like I said, you can take a horse to the water….. 🙄

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.11.15 06:58:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 27) : Who knows? Maybe he’s got some photos of Heyneke doing something naughty.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.11.15 07:11:11 by Ben Reply
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  • So many knowledgeable rugby legends speaking out against bone head coaching. And yet some people still defend this under qualified coach? What more will it take?

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.11.15 07:19:10 by coolfusion Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 27) : never mind the great players that were left behind what about the gameplan or lack thereof,at least Jake in 2007 had a gameplan,this time round both NZ & Aus had gameplan and Huge Mistake not.Boks were weighed,measured and found very wanting,you canmake a gameplan up as you go along

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.11.15 08:10:49 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 32) : cannot

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.11.15 08:15:50 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 14) : Look he does write very well- better than most ‘journalists’. I also cannot argue with the points he made: 1.he Boks won their only 2 RWCs by playing a risk free, forward orientated defensive game. 2. The Boks do not play the free flowing game that NZ/OZ play. 3. The Boks looked good when they did move the ball around a bit in the first 30min the the Bronze game vs Arg. 4. he also says he doesnt think the Boks have moved forward with the evolving game by spreading the ball and running it more. So the things i have to question: Why did the Boks stop running the ball in that Bronze game…fitness perhaps?? Why have none of the local SA sides been successful in Super rugby by ‘running the ball’…fitness perhaps? Why do the likes of NZ/OZ struggle to beat that ‘boring/outdated’ gameplan the Boks dished up? These last 4years (probably longer) has shown that the SA players are not fit and able to play a consistently successful running game. I do think things are slowly turning though with the new breed of players coming through…what are yet to see is if the SA teams that are throwing the ball around on attack are still fit enough to be a solid defensive unit. People are raving about the Lions approach…lets not forget they won something like 9 of 16 games in Super rugby…thats barely more than half. So time will tell whether our players are able to both spread the ball and defend.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.11.15 09:24:39 by SheldonK Reply

  • Tommy Bedford, like me, wants to be entertained while watching rugby.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.11.15 10:06:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : With regards to the unions…it’s a case of doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome. Read an article by Mitchell yesterday on doping at school. He said the main reason is that SA sides place a huge emphasis on size so guys are under pressure to be big so as to play the crashing one dimensional game. Our unions year in and year out spend the bulk of training in gym where in NZ, most of their training is on skills and on field conditioning. These guys named their 36 man squads 2 weeks already and believe me they are working on skills,running lanes, support play, game plan etc….our guys only touch the ball a few weeks before Superugby and we are shocked when they can’t simultaneously sprint, catch and pass come match time. We need innovative people in our rugby hence we will always be playing catch-up and copying back-line moves implemented by NZ teams. It’s a non negotiable if we want our rugby to move forward. I really hope Rob du Preez will do things differently with the aim of improving us. Not saying gym work isn’t important. It’s very important, so our fitness guys need to introduce new methods that train different muscles as opposed to isolated training so that they can have the time for on field conditioning, gameplan and skills.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.11.15 10:23:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 36) : Yes 100%. I was at a dinner where Mitchell pretty much said the same thing. He says in NZ they look for the best rugby players and then condition them as best they can where as in SA we try and find the biggest and most muscular guys and then try teach them the game. Its a big generalisation but illustrates the point. From a young age coaches at schools etc are under pressure to win (if you dont belive me just go watch some primary school rugby) so very often the big guy is picked and given the ball and thy get results. Yes it works but flawed theory. So even at that level why arent coaches looking to find very quick guys that can pass and thus negate the big guy impact? A lot of people hate the professionalism that high school sport has become BUT it is those elite schools that are doing such good work in creating fit and skilled players that are slowly being fed into the system and are starting to come through. There is a new breed of player in SA coming through but it will def not be a quick fix. It is why i think guys like Ackermann at the Lions, mayb Jones at WP and even Marais at the Bulls are so so vital in providing the Bok coach (whoever it is) with fit, skilled players. If you look at the quality of domestic coaching in NZ- Steve Hansen has a bladdy easy job as national coach

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.11.15 10:37:35 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : I would even go as far as fast tracking those high school coaches into the Vodacom Cup and CC system. We need a new way of thinking which will change our style of play from the ground up. All of this won’t work if your Bok coach doesn’t have that vision. He needs to drive it by his words and actions. I understand it will take time but there needs to be that progress. Hence in the past I was able to complement the Sharks after a loss as I could see progress and growth. Hence the majority of Bok and Sharks fans are up in arms…they are not seeing this evolution under the current guys in charge. Pressure is on…we demand sexy victories.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.11.15 11:37:39 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 38) : I do understand guys want the Boks to be the All Blacks and play and win exactly like them. In this day and age people also want instant success. Its why i think building a team over 4yrs for a RWC is a thing of the past. I do understand why guys want to see change at the top as they believe it will filter down. And maybe it will, maybe it wont. Just changing the top guy and hoping for a wholesale mindshift across the entire rugby playing population is a bit far fetched. The strategies in the Varsity Cup to promote try scoring, having a domestic 7s league, SARU mobile skills coaches visiting the Unions are all tangible plans to address the playing mindshift. Perhaps changing 1 guy will have that effect…i think im a bit more sceptical

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.11.15 11:57:43 by SheldonK Reply

  • On a side note I hear Jake is the front runner for the England coach. …

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.11.15 18:23:17 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 40) : but I also heard Nick Mallett was

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.11.15 18:43:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Guys, just read an article on Eddie’s press conference. Flip, this guy is saying all the things I mentioned earlier. Talking about developing an attacking game based on players that can catch and pace while running at pace. The Stormers are going to be a beauty to watch. I am so envious. I have to a certain level consoled myself to the knowledge that the Stormers are going to win this competition soon.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.11.15 20:00:07 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : We’ll see… 😀 But I certainly get the envy bit….

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.11.15 22:55:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : I dont want to be picky but what did we expect the guy to say? I know he has a good pedigree and likes to play exciting rugby but i think even if PDV was appointed we would have heard something similar (ok mayb in PDVs case in different words but still). I dont pay much attention to what is said in press conferences as its not like the guy is going to stand there and say the team is shite and he is there only to get paid and check out the mountain. Well maybe if he is Brendon Venter… For me im more interested in their performances…and Gert Smal has certainly recruited some serious beef up front…at the back not so much- esp with most wanting to play 7s. If Neil Powell picks all of Senatla, DeJong, DeAllende, Hendricks…eish who is going to be in their backline?

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.11.15 08:06:22 by SheldonK Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : Whenever this feeling of Eddie love / envy grabs you just think back to Loftus Versfeld, 2007. The Bulls are playing the Reds (coached by Eddie Jones) – the final score is…..92-3 to the Bulls. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.11.15 08:24:36 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : Who is this Brendon Venter chap?

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.11.15 08:25:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 46) : He is like batman…lives in the shadows…has no real super powers but tends to appear when people need him and do pretty much what they could do anyway. Nobody is really sure where he lives or what he does during the daytime but apparently he drives a nice car…

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.11.15 08:32:18 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : and that is q big possibility.which is why the sharks should look at ew viljoen and daniel du plessis.
    Get them down in dbn while there is still doubt about who is going to the 7s and who is staying.
    Id like to give daniel du plessis 1.87 98kg a shot at 13 and ew viljoen 1.92 100kg plays both 13 and 15.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.11.15 08:38:00 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 48) : Those 2 guys WP have invested in since school so dont think they would be too keen to see them go.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.11.15 08:52:22 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : so how much longer must they sit behind de jongh and de allende , i would ask them.there is a spot at 13 open at the sharks imo.and with deysel down in dbn on a trial basis i guess at 12 also.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.11.15 08:56:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 50) : They def wouldnt be guaranteed anything in Durban. yes we may not like a couple guys but they are still there which means management value them. They have worked their way up at WP and are probably just outside the top group and are still young. I cant see them leaving unless we throw big money contracts at them…which i dont think would be prudent

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.11.15 09:07:26 by SheldonK Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : Is it a coincidence that he is on a two year contract,and we also hear that Meyer is rumoured to be offered a further two year contract.
    Are the master’s of the universe in Stellenbosch hedging their bets both ways.
    Meyer blows it like he will,Jones finally brings a measure of respectibilty to the mountain goats,and is in the right place at the right time,with the right amount of public sentiment behind him.
    Just a thought.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.11.15 09:12:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : it is not about a personal like or dislike of anyone.johan deysel down in dbn means the sharks are looking at another option at12.why not trial a 13 centre or 2?

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.11.15 09:16:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • ”Frik du Preez and his Rustenburg mates, with whom I spent some time
    on their tour of the Boks rugby matches, felt strongly that good men
    and true had not been selected by Meyer and his co-selectors when
    they should have been. They discussed fullbacks, wings, centres,
    flyhalves, props, hookers and loose forwards – effectively every
    position in the team had question marks hanging for them over Meyer´s
    This is probably the most damaging piece of evidence yet to be published about Meyer.
    Hell you don’t get more Blue Bull than Frik and his mates.
    So who is keeping this arsehole in place,where does his power base come from.
    Not the ex Bok captains,not the Blue Bulls faithful,definately no one from the Lions

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.11.15 09:20:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 52) : Shouldnt all coaches be on 2yr contracts? I know slightly off topic but still relevent i reckon.

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.11.15 09:21:23 by SheldonK Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 53) : There is a difference between Deysel and those 2 from WP though. Deysel comes no strings attached and is probably following RDP to see if there is a chance. To get those others in Durbs would require serious contract negotiations. So situation is quite different.

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.11.15 09:22:39 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : yes i totally agree with you.same re: someone like wilco louw.the stormers will obviously not let talented players leave to their rivals in position their oppostion lack quality and/or depth.but dont the youngsters sign 2 year deals?straight out of high school?if so,means this wouldve been their final contracted season at wp.unless they re-signed early .must have re-signed already anyway will be my guess.maybe they were approached by the sharks?

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.11.15 09:53:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 57) : YEh look i hav no idea on the length of their contracts. Gert Smal has been very good at recruiting a good squad so i cant see him letting that now erode without a fight. If a player genuinely wants to leave it is hard to stop him though. Having said that i cant see it being on too many players agendas to swap Newlands for Kings park at the moment…

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.11.15 10:09:26 by SheldonK Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 54) : I’ve heard it a few times that Jones is only on a 1 year contract.

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.11.15 10:38:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 59) : yup 1 Super rugby season which is the equivalent of 5 normal years 😉

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.11.15 10:46:33 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : Sometimes longer for the fans.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.11.15 10:51:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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