Six Sharks changes as Gold rotates for Bulls

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 16 Mar 2016 at 10:08
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Gary Gold has made six changes (one positional) to his team that recorded a narrow, but significant, 18-13 win over the Stormers at Newlands last week. Keegan Daniel will makes a welcome return to Sharks rugby off the bench in the team named to take on the Bulls at Loftus on Friday.

Lwazi Mvovo returns from injury – he narrowly missed out last week – and moves into his favoured left wing position, meaning a switch over to the right for fellow Bok JP Pietersen. Centres Paul jordaan and Andre Esterhuizen will enjoy some continuity, with a further rotation al change at scrumhalf seeing Michael Claassens start alongside Joe Pietersen for the first time.

It’s up front where the other three changes have been made; Kyle cooper and Lourens Adriaanse will start in rotational changes aimed at freshening up the front row after a hard sweat in Cape Town. The other enforced change sees Philip van der Walt start at blindside flank in place of the injured Jean-Luc du Preez.

Franco Marais and Coenie Oosthuizen drop to the bench this week, as do Cobus Reinach and Odwa Ndungane. S’bura Sithole is the only man besides du Preez to drop completely out of the match 23 for this game.

Sharks: 15. Willie Le Roux, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Paul Jordaan, 12. Andre Esterhuizen, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Joe Pietersen, 9. Michael Claassens, 8. Daniel du Preez, 7. Phillip Van der Walt, 6. Marcell Coetzee, 5. Stephan Lewies, 4. Etienne Oosthuizen, 3. Lourens Adriaanse, 2. Kyle Cooper, 1. Tendai Mtawarira (Captain)
Replacements: 16. Franco Marais, 17. Juan Schoeman, 18. Coenie Oosthuizen, 19. Hyron Andrews, 20. Keegan Daniel, 21. Cobus Reinach, 22. Garth April, 23. Odwa Ndungane


  • Sbura rested completely? Is he carrying a niggle?

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.03.16 10:11:21 by Kabouter Reply
  • Ain’t nobody posting a team sheet before Rob ever again 😆

    So fast.

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.03.16 10:11:52 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @Kabouter (Comment 1) : Probably splinters 😈

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.03.16 10:12:32 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 2) : these are my magic fingers

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.03.16 10:13:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good team and sensible rotation. Somebody just needs to have a talk with Sbura and just tell him to be patient.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.03.16 10:13:43 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • Damn I am getting good ???? starting 15 exactly as I posted on the freshen up thread on Sunday. Only bench differs with 2 players as I thought Thomas would be back and I thought Sbura would be on the bench and not Odwa. ????????

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.03.16 10:16:11 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 1) : it works like this (and I can appreciate the thinking).

    Wing pecking order, at least in these first rounds, is
    1 – Lwazi/JP
    3 – Odwa
    4 – S’bura

    In the first round, JP wasn’t yet ready, so it was Lwazi and Odwa with S’bura bench
    Round 2, JP came in, but Lwazi was injured. JP and Odwa start, S’bura bench
    Round 3, Lwazi didn’t recover in time, so no change.
    Round 4, JP and Lwazi both available, so they both start. Odwa drops to bench, S’bura out.

    It would make no sense for Odwa to start ahead of S’bura every match, only to be dropped below him once the two first-choice wings are available. Odwa is very unlucky to not be starting again this week, I’d say.

    S’bura WILL get his chance this season, just not yet.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.03.16 10:16:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 6) : good work pal 🙂

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.03.16 10:18:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : really cant wait to see him getting a proper run. the comp is long but feels like a Ferrari is being wasted under the tarp in garage at the moment. hopefully Sbura is fired up when he gets unleashed and perform out of his skin

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.03.16 10:18:42 by Kabouter Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : lol Hi Rob how you doing boet? Yeah I feel for Sbura

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.03.16 10:19:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Personally I think this team is just as if not stronger than last weeks.

    Forced rest for Beast against the Crusaders though?

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.03.16 10:20:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Lol just means we kinda starting to understand GGS way of thinking lol

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.03.16 10:21:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Also think it’s crazy that old man Odwa is considered better then Sbura.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.03.16 10:22:18 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Good team considering our injured players.

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.03.16 10:22:25 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 10) : Or he reads Sharksworld 😉

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.03.16 10:23:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Pretty good rotation and lineup that. Slightly surprised by the Odwa on the bench ahead of Sithole but as Rob said thats the current pecking order. Personally i would have kept a bit more strength off the bench but that starting side is pretty much the best we can offer at this current time.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.03.16 10:23:24 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : @Southern_Shark (Comment 5) : With all the good news and results so far coming from Sharks HQ, I truly hope he is being managed well.

    Who is behind Paul in 13 queue? I assume JPP and April is considered cover for centers this week then. One of my favorite moments at KP is that of Lwazi turning and chasing ODriscol down – is he also considered as an option if the paw paw hits the fan?

    The Bulls have three strike runners in the 23 so Andre and Paul will be key

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.03.16 10:25:26 by Kabouter Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 11) : actually, I’m not convinced about that. There has been no official release from SARU as to player management requirements. We’re all just assuming it is the same as last year, but we don’t know that for a fact.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.03.16 10:25:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think with Basson there, we needed Odwa to field the bombs….guaranteed that will be bull’s tactic all day long.

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.03.16 10:27:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • guys, not sure what more Odwa needs to do to prove himself. Tell you what, without him, I’m not convinced we would have won at Newlands.

    We all talk about S’bura and he is a hell of a talent, but let’s not forget he knocked on with his first touch against the Jaguares. Who knows, perhaps he’s having handling issues in practice too and that’s why the coaches aren’t willing to back him with a start just yet? Truth is, we really don’t know.

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.03.16 10:27:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Perhaps you’re correct, last year was a world cup year after all.

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.03.16 10:28:55 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I think JPP is now in his best position at 14 and maybe VDWALT and Daniel will interchange during the game.

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.03.16 10:29:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Ignoring the fact that his nonchalance cost the Zas try?

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.03.16 10:30:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I’m really disappointed that Sbura is not on the bench although I like Odwa, I just think we need that mongrel and pace to add some x-factor in the second half. Sbura is not only fast, he’s bulked up a lot since he first started. Other than that, I think the team is actually stronger especially with Claassens starting. I’m a big fan of Reinach but I think he will be better as an impact player of the bench. If I remember correctly, he had a few games last season or the year before where he literally came on as a replacement and scored a try.

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.03.16 10:33:10 by Quintin Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Agree fully with you

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.03.16 10:35:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : odwa has had 3 starts and one bench (this friday),whilst sithole has had no starts but named thrice on the bench.drops out of squad for this coming friday’s game.think for the sake of rotation,sithole was actually due a start.will need him in match 23 vs sithole will start this season: is that on the wing or will it be at no13?the player did mention he is keen to play there.

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.03.16 10:36:39 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 23) : no dude, a freaky bounce and a frankly phenomenal bit of individual skill from Zas are what caused that try.

    Go watch it again. Odwa had his man covered, but pulled back when he saw Willie coming in to cover the bounce. If Odwa had carried on sprinting full ball he would have just clattered into his own player.

    Willie misread the bounce (who can blame him because it looked to EVERYONE like it had gone out) and Zas did something frankly incredible to keep it in. sometimes it’s ok to acknowledge some fine play from the opposition without it being Odwa’s fault 🙂

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.03.16 10:38:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 24) : please may I respectfully ask you to change your profile picture? Thanks.

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.03.16 10:39:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 23) : Id probably lay more blame on LeRoux that Odwa for the Zas try…LeRoux should have taken the ball into touch. Im a past not present Odwa fan but if he is going to play id prefer him to start than come off the bench where im not sure how much impact he offers.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.03.16 10:40:58 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Just did, Odwa was jogging back and then only accelerated when Zas ran past. Uploading a gif now.

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.03.16 10:42:29 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I understand the wing pecking order and see why Sbru has dropped out of the 23, but with Odwa not having an incredible amount of time left in hi career I hope Sbru isn’t starting to get itchy feet. How often have we seen a guy about to break into the team leaving because of lack of game time a year before. I feel Odwa deserves his place in the team but will feel we let a real talent get away if Sbru leaves us. On the flip side the competition is long and maybe the Sharks have told him his exact role in the squad and he knows his time is coming.

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.03.16 10:42:30 by Hulk Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Also, second week in a row a player has come from several meters behind to overtake him.

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.03.16 10:43:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : yes,that is so.had a look at the game again yesterday (full).he did seem to start slow,then accelerated,and thought the ball was covered.perhaps should have kept running -just changed running line .these things happen.nice work by zas.odwa had a really good game.think he took something like 4 clean takes in the air?need to verify.but still feel sithole should start or at least be on the bench 😀

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.03.16 10:44:25 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Odwa doesn’t have to do anything to prove himself. He is always solid and doesn’t make any mistakes, problem is when he gets turned by one of the Bulls speedsters , will he be able to catch them? Or if they put a chip over him and chase it like the Jags dit to score their try? I am not convinced that he will. And the sooner we give Sbura game time the better, maybe that’s all he needs. And Odders won’t be around for very much longer. A bunch of reasons to play him, and just as many to give Sbura a chance early on rather than closer to the play-offs.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.03.16 10:45:19 by Quintin Reply

  • Zas try:

    Watch how Odwa (with a head start) jogs back, once Zas passes him, he then starts to sprint but it’s to late.
    Willie also didn’t cover but he went for the ball not the player and the bounce out did him. Odwa has no excuse not to have gotten to the ball first.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.03.16 10:47:04 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : That better? :mrgreen: I liked my Sig though 😐

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.03.16 10:49:25 by Quintin Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 17) : actually think sithole is behind jordaan.player himself said he would like to play at no13 in an interview posted on sharksworld.

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.03.16 10:51:49 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • This is still a pretty decent team. As long as they don’t get complacent, the Sharks should be favourites for another away win.

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.03.16 10:55:39 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Quintin (Comment 34) : @robdylan (Comment 27) : No complaints if Sbura knows his role and has bought into it. It must be tough balancing the the needs of the younger talent and the steady performer in probably his last season.

    Sbura and Mjekevu have loads of talent but probably need one on one coaching adn game time to unlock it. I am still hoping the RdP uses his past time with Mjekevu to get him to levels RdP believed he was capable of. As long as the guys are being managed well, no problems as I dont expect JPP and Odwa to be there next season

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.03.16 10:56:07 by Kabouter Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 38) : key word:complacency.sharks need to be focused and hungry for the win.

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.03.16 10:57:22 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 39) : jpp has already signed an overseas contract.

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.03.16 11:00:12 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 39) : JPP is joining Leicester after the Super rugby season.

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.03.16 11:00:21 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Quintin (Comment 36) : thanks pal. Appreciate it.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.03.16 11:01:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Can we have a string without debating the merits and demerits of poor old Odwa.

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.03.16 11:04:09 by MikeSebMatt Reply

  • No one talking about Keegans return? 😯
    so happy to see him named in the 23. Hope he gets a good run.
    Otherwise, as Rob pointed out, nice to see EO been kept at 4.

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.03.16 11:06:28 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 44) : ja, it’s starting to feel just a little bit personal.

    Plenty of other good stuff to discuss.

    Philip at 7? Interesting call that.

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.03.16 11:07:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 44) : @robdylan (Comment 46) : A weak link is a weak link, no matter how sorry you feel for them.
    All I know is if I was Sbura, and knew Odwa was considered better than me, my self confidence would be shattered.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.03.16 11:10:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 45) : Just hope Keegs didn’t get rusty when oversees, which is probably the case but man would it be great to see that guy on form again!

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.03.16 11:10:24 by Quintin Reply

  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 44) : @robdylan (Comment 46) : I dont think the issue is with Odwa. more that Sbura should be managed well and that the issues we had with losing a whole set of talented locks dont get repeated with our wings.

    from memory, Keegan has an excellent record of breaking Blue hearts – long may it continue!

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.03.16 11:11:02 by Kabouter Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : New pic doesn’t show though? Still see the Sig there.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.03.16 11:11:04 by Quintin Reply

  • @gregkaos (Comment 45) : Can’t wait to see him wearing that Sharks jersey again, one of my favorite players ever! let’s hope he can perform to the level that (should of) made him a Bok.

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.03.16 11:11:29 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 50) : Me to, probably a cache issue.

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.03.16 11:12:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : I think the Ninja has a better appreciation for 8 at this stage, although Dan (apart from having an issue with protecting the ball in the tackle) has done pretty well too. He must sort out his tackling technique urgently though – next one is going to be a card for sure.

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.03.16 11:13:50 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Quintin (Comment 48) : same to a lesser degree. Don’t think I’ve ever seen Keegs put anything less than 100% on a rugby field.

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.03.16 11:14:37 by gregkaos Reply
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  • What a formidable team!! Bulls going down baby! HARD. And welcome back Keegs. Going to be SO good seeing him running into gaps and offloading like a boss. Yes man! 😛 😛

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.03.16 11:14:55 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 52) : @Quintin (Comment 50) : shift F5 should fix that if not using a phone.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.03.16 11:16:55 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Have Phillip played in that position before? Not that I don’t think he could be extremely potent in the 7 jersey.

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.03.16 11:19:13 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 55) :

    lovely set of clips on KD (he sure loved doing well vs Bulls and Streamers)

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.03.16 11:20:59 by Kabouter Reply

  • Keegan has always been kryptonite to the “Super” Bulls. Hopefully he can come off the bench and repeat.

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.03.16 11:22:04 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 53) : imo the sharks should not attempt any of those tackles this friday against the bulls.ref,touch judges and tmo will be looking out for it.quite sure the opposition will make them aware of it.

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.03.16 11:25:16 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 58) : Man Keegan is a machine, that chip kick try…tears.

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.03.16 11:27:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • The Scene is set for a real Contest !!!

    This is going to be a real test of both our attack and defense capabilities.
    Traditionally the Sharks have always played “ball in hand” rugby with flair. Their creativity and imagination in the backline is going to be tested. In the “engine room” where matters get sorted out they are capable of some incredible pressure on the opposition
    In the team matchups there are some interesting contests

    15. Willie Le Roux vs Warrick Gelant – Willie’s flair and imagination and ability to vary his game is the factor here. (Remember Galant the guy who lined a shot-up on the backside of his center Jan Serfontein)
    14. JP Pietersen vs Jamba Ulengo- this should be interesting .The Springbok pedigree of JP against the flair of Jamba
    13. Paul Jordaan vs Jan Serfontein – Paul’s ability to run the right angles is going to be important
    12. Andre Esterhuizen vs Burger Odendaal. Andries strenght in the drive is a factor
    11. Lwazi Mvovo vs Bjorn Basson – let’s put this rest once and for all. The “Ciskei Express” leaves the station with tremendous speed
    10. Joe Pietersen vs Francois Brummer – Francois is a wily fox and Joe needs to be alert with this guy. Joe has come through so brilliantly in this position. It sort of fits him like a glove
    9. Michael Claassens vs Rudy Paige- Remember Rudy the guy who suddenly pitched up in Bok colours. Michael’s pedigree and international experience is going to be pivotal
    8. Daniel du Preez vs Arno Botha – Arno has displayed the ability to outmanouvre previous eightmen his come up against. But he is coming up against a guy that is hitting his peak!
    7. Philip van der Walt vs Jannes Kirsten- Philip’s sheer bone crunching bash-ups and his speed is going to be useful here
    6. Marcell Coetzee vs Roelof Smit- One of the hardest working forwards internationally. Marcell always gives off his best. Enjoy his ball skills in the breakdowns
    5. Stephan Lewies vs Grant Hattingh- This guy Grant is a wily ball stealer. Stephan needs to be alert in both line outs, loose play and breakdowns
    4. Etienne Oosthuizen vs RG Snyman. Etienne has shown in the recent past that he can break the line with ease
    3. Lourens Adriaanse vs Marcel van der Merwe. Lourens has shown his solidness and ability to retain the ball in our forward play
    2. Kyle Cooper vs Adriaan Strauss (c). Now this is the “real Mcoy”. I always believed that Kyle is Springbok quality .He has feared nothing and moves right through the middle….bring it on!!!
    1. Tendai Mtawarira (Captain) vs Trevor Nyakane. Tendai has established himself internationally in this position…

    In the Replacements it is interesting that a great wealth of experience sits on the Shark’s bench in the form of Franco, Juan, Coenie, Keegan, Cobus, and Odwa
    16. Franco Marais vs Jaco Visagie
    17. Juan Schoeman vs Lizo Gqoboka
    18. Coenie Oosthuizen vs Hencus van Wyk
    19. Hyron Andrews vs Jason Jenkins
    20. Keegan Danie vs Nic de Jager
    21. Cobus Reinach vs Piet van Zyl
    22. Garth April vs Tian Schoeman
    23. Odwa Ndungane vs Jesse Kriel

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.03.16 11:27:36 by duncanbetteridge Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 58) : Great video thanks! How excited do you get when you see those clips? He’s such an exciting player. Like I said it would be great to see him on form again. Really hope that he gets back to SupeRugby level quickly, or just never got of it and gets going like that again.

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.03.16 11:28:29 by Quintin Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : I actually quite like the Van Der Walt at 7 idea. Allows him to possibly play with more freedom than at 8 where you have specific areas of the field you need to cover etc. So interested to see how he plays with that freedom. Also think we can expect a Keegan Daniel at 8 later in that game which will make for an interesting loose trio

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.03.16 11:29:44 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Seth101 (Comment 61) : was nice to see it more than once!

    We are all quite fickle supporters as a quick look at last year’s posts will show a vastly different attitude and level of frustration. Now we are complaining mostly about player management whilst last year all and sundry got the stick. Maybe we all will only be happy once we get the SR trophy in KP 😆

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.03.16 11:36:41 by Kabouter Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 58) : Wow thanks for that! Made my day just now watching those. This guy.. when he is on song is such a pleasure to watch. He really has phenomenal skill. Also, saw Lambie in one clip playing 12.. geez that must’ve been way back.

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.03.16 11:36:44 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 66) : I think it was after Lambie made SR debut at 19 and then following CC I remember a few time a backline of the following

    9 – McCleod / Kockot
    10 – Freddy M
    11 – Lwazi
    12 – Lambie
    13 – Terblanche
    14 – Odwa
    15 – Steyn

    Man the sharks had some serious French imports. No one in current French squad springs to mind that would add significant value to current squad. Freddy was huge for Lambie and I believe that Andre and Paul needs a proper mentor / legend to take them to Bok level

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.03.16 11:42:53 by Kabouter Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 67) : Ja I remember the good old Michalak days. Our french flair flyhalf that made my girlfriend all of the sudden VERY interested in rugby and all our games in particular. 🙄

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.03.16 11:57:06 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 66) : was lambie’s first cc game vs griquas in 2010.flyhalf was injured and lambie moved to 10.

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.03.16 11:57:56 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Kabouter (Comment 67) : was lambie’s first cc game vs griquas where he played 12.debut and played sr at no15 in 2010.flyhalf was injured in griquas game and lambie moved to 10.can’t remember him playing no12 again for the sharks?

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.03.16 12:02:50 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • Good side and must say nice to see the bit on Keegan really hope he can do it again this weekend!

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.03.16 12:18:03 by JD Reply
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  • The bulls are something else at Loftus. That’s what worries me a bit. If the Sharks have confidence and belief though I don’t think the bulls will stand in their way. It feels like it’s been ages since the Sharks won there, certainly not in 2015

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.03.16 12:23:36 by SeanJeff Reply
  • Really excited for this game. I think the changes made are spot on. Gives us a decent rotation of valuable players and keeps them fresher for longer. ALL HAIL KING KEEGAN IS BACK!!!! I think Lwazi is fantastic under the high ball and im sure he is going to give Basson a taste of his own medicine. Andre needs to put a early massive hit on Odendaal to rattle him slightly. Think we in for a cracking game

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.03.16 13:01:42 by Fox Reply

  • On Odwa. I was at Newlands on Saturday, I recorded the game and only managed to finish watching it yesterday. My opinion is that he was hard done by with how his game came across on TV, not that he came across as having a bad game but it does him no justice as to what a good game he had. To me he was the best back 3 player of both teams.

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.03.16 13:09:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 70) : thanks, though he also played at 12 against the Cheetahs but probably mixed memories of the two games.

    I think I saw him first time vs Bulls at Loftus as a late sub. Cronje and Hernandez started and later Guy also came on with Lambie. I think Lambie still played in the u19 game earlier as well – just cant remember where he slotted in . It was the same game Hernandez scored, placed and dropped. I think Lambie has been fortunate to have played / trained with Hernandez, Michelak, Terblanche, Steyn and even Pretorius. Some serious knowledge that was available to him.

    I really believe that Paul and Andre needs access to quality mentors. Any thoughts? Muir and Keyser could add value as they were smart players that did not have the same amount of physical abilities as their counterparts. Adi Jacobs and Terblanche aswell. Pity Fourie never materialised

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.03.16 13:27:57 by Kabouter Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 74) : That’s a very interesting comment. It just shows how deferent it is watching a game live at the stadium vs on TV.

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.03.16 13:41:01 by JD Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 75) : hernandez was with the sharks in 2009.andy goode 2010.michalak 2008 and 2012.

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.03.16 13:58:43 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 77) : Hernandez was injured for a lot of the time, Goode was not any good but Michalak was pure class! 😈

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.03.16 14:31:31 by JD Reply
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  • I feel for Sbu…otherwise Im happy. JPP needs to keep an eye on Jambo

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.03.16 14:34:39 by Sharkfinn Reply

  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 79) : yes think he could have played and maybe Odwa could have rested.

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.03.16 15:33:05 by JD Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 48) : A rusty Keegan Daniel is still one of the most exciting loosies in the game!

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.03.16 15:44:35 by the ko Reply

  • The last time I saw Keegan playing it was a Vodacom Cup game against Boland in Ceres in 2014 . The guy just oozes class.

  • Comment 82, posted at 16.03.16 15:57:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : I agree, did mention on here earlier how I think VD Walt and Dan might change around during the game depending how things go and field position.

  • Comment 83, posted at 16.03.16 16:13:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I like the fact that it’s close to impossible for the coaches to pick a bad loose trio at the moment despite injuries.

  • Comment 84, posted at 16.03.16 17:11:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 84) : Sometime last year, we were looking depleted at loose forward….now all of a sudden, we’ve got loose cover to burn.

  • Comment 85, posted at 16.03.16 17:39:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @the ko (Comment 81) : We’ve got our mojo back 🙂

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.03.16 17:40:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • This is news for me: (as reported by SS)

    “There wasn’t too much secret that the Sharks management left Pietersen behind in Durban when they went on their first Vodacom Super Rugby excursion of the season to Port Elizabeth because they questioned his level of commitment after returning from Japan”

    Some creative reporting by that lot.

  • Comment 87, posted at 16.03.16 18:28:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 87) : As I understand, he was the outstanding 13 in the Japan League this past season. Not sure where they get there garbage from most of the time. Why I depend on Rob to be my filter for all Sharks news, if he reports it, you can bet it has been thoroughly checked and verified.

  • Comment 88, posted at 16.03.16 19:02:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) : Too true…so much tabloid style reporting these days – it is absolutely shocking.

  • Comment 89, posted at 16.03.16 19:05:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 89) : The truth was probably something more like – JPP carried a heavy load for the Boks in the RWC and also for his team in Japan as a centre, he just recently returned to Durban so we decided to give him some additional time to rest and recover before the Super Rugby season. With all the rugby JPP has been playing, he certainly does not need any pre-season matches to get prepared. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 16.03.16 19:20:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 87) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) : and yet for the past two weeks on Sharksworld people were complaining about the same lack of commitment that JPP seemingly showed in the games he played for the Sharks?!?!?!

  • Comment 91, posted at 16.03.16 23:41:40 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 74) : ODWA is probably our second best wing after Mvovo. Anyone else that says otherwise actually doesn’t know their rugby from their swimming. Odwa, out of 10, if you had to look at his attack, his link play, his handling, handling of high balls, his defence over the past 2 years, gets the second highest ranking. Sbura is fantastic, he really has a bright future and needs to work really hard to be a more complete player. I think him and Mjekevu are really going to benefit from having Rob as the coach. Their development was unfortunately slowed down by previous coaches we had.

  • Comment 92, posted at 17.03.16 04:23:36 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @JD (Comment 91) : Please mate. Don’t confuse that one minute of brilliance with an 80 minute sublime game. He still has a lot to prove to us. Do I think he really wants to do well for the Sharks and is going to have a good SR? Yes. However based on current form and form over 2 years in a Sharks jersey, statements questioning his commitment aren’t far fetched. I’m seeing a big difference in his conditioning and know that Rdp will get the best out of him. In terms of wings in the country that are going to represent SA well in the future….look at that Zas boy from the Cape.

  • Comment 93, posted at 17.03.16 04:35:11 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @JD (Comment 91) : But none of us ever claimed the coaches questioned his commitment….. Major difference between us fans watching him play a mediocre game of rugby, and then concluding that he’s not committed to the team vs. stating as fact the he missed the first game because Gold and co. questioned his commitment.

  • Comment 94, posted at 17.03.16 06:10:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Well I think this is sensible rotation and at the right time too. The only thing still worrying me is how and when we will rotate fullback and flyhalf.

  • Comment 95, posted at 17.03.16 06:47:13 by coolfusion Reply

  • @JD (Comment 91) : Well JP did show a distinct lack of commitment bar one game he also did the same for most of last season. That cannot be argued. He made a great showing last week but needs to do so consistently.

  • Comment 96, posted at 17.03.16 06:50:27 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 96) : I think his biggest problem is not having any decent rest period. Going straight from SuperRugby to Internationals to Japan League back to SuperRugby for the past couple of season.

  • Comment 97, posted at 17.03.16 08:24:58 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 93) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 94) : @coolfusion (Comment 96) : point I was trying to make is that the story might not be to far from the truth. Personally I also feel JPP needs to improve as he’s way of the form that he showed during the world cup.

  • Comment 98, posted at 17.03.16 08:35:08 by JD Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 97) : yes usually the guys could rest in November and December now players like JPP play year round. Players are overplayed (sometimes their own doing) just to earn as much as possible before they retire and that will lead to burnout!

  • Comment 99, posted at 17.03.16 08:43:02 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 92) : no-one is the complete player.i agree with you odwa had a really good game against the stormers.think he won 3 balls from kicks? and the kick-off after the stormers try?that would be 4 kicks re-gathered.that could very well be the reason he is in the match obviously not questioning commitment or downplaying what he did do..also think sithole is due some a strong,fast runner,hard defender .big question for me is do the coaches also see him as more of a no13 than wing,since the player said he is keen to play at no13.just for the benefit of all:could you please share the stats re: the wingers for the past 2 years?

  • Comment 100, posted at 17.03.16 08:52:11 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 95) : imo odwa could be no15 and at no10 it is between inny and april.

  • Comment 101, posted at 17.03.16 08:55:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @JD (Comment 99) : Yeah as a fan I want the players to always be sharp and focused but as a young man building on his future, I can understand why they will want to earn as much as possible in the little time that they have.

  • Comment 102, posted at 17.03.16 08:58:24 by KingRiaan Reply

  • As Rob has said the Sharks pecking order on the wing appears to be Mvovo, JP Pieterson, Ndungane, Sithole, Mjekevu, Nkosi. Odwa is definitely not the most explosive or anywhere near the quickest of that lot but he does probably make the least errors which is why coaches pick him. The concerns i have is that Ndungane isnt a spring chicken, JP Pieterson is leaving, Mvovo is about 30 i think, and without game time Mjekevu will leave again….so where does that leave us? Also its great having a wing that doesnt make many mistakes…but if Odwa is really our 2nd/3rd best then im a bit concerned about our firepower out wide…

  • Comment 103, posted at 17.03.16 09:09:19 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : and sithole mentioned he is keen to play no13.

  • Comment 104, posted at 17.03.16 09:16:45 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : nkosi is a youngster coming through.also,the sharks signed another u21 wing in zweli silauli.both around 1.80m and almost 100kg.there is also ew know my thoughts re: the player.think the sharks should try and sign schools no15,captian and no13 for wp u21,and been talk of trying him on the wing.1.92m 100kg.injured at present so that why he is not in the stormers set-up.

  • Comment 105, posted at 17.03.16 09:37:44 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 104) : Well thats great but he is a wing not a 13. If he wants to play 13 i think he may need to move elsewhere. His focus should be on making the team and at the moment his best chance is at wing. @50shadesofshark (Comment 105) : Nkosi and Silauli havnt played 1min of senior rugby so jury still definitely out on them till they play with the big boys. The Sharks ‘could’ sign many players but until they actually do i think its pointless discussing them as they cant play till actually signed.

  • Comment 106, posted at 17.03.16 09:47:57 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) : with re: to sithole being a win and not a no13: if the sharks had kept playing him there after jake white left,rather than jpp,who knows where he would’ve been in his development?white moved kuridrani from the wing to no13 and look where the player is now?imo to move sithole back to wing and play jpp at no13 was not the best decision made.

  • Comment 107, posted at 17.03.16 10:58:30 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) : talking about possible signings is relevant,since you asked the question re: where the sharks are at with “firepower out wide”.putting suggestions fw to answer .obviously the players in the u21/19 must be mentioned,and possible signings.

  • Comment 108, posted at 17.03.16 11:03:14 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 107) : Remember at that time JPP was the Bok 13 if im did make sense to play him there and Sithole on the wing. Sithole played at 13 like a wing…hence why i think he is a wing. Barring a few good CC games Sithole really hasnt shone in his performances for quite some time. He has all the attributes to be a Bok wing…but he first needs to put the effort in to make the Sharks side.

  • Comment 109, posted at 17.03.16 11:13:32 by SheldonK Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 108) : Why i say possible signings are irrelevent is because you then can mentioned anyone playing anywhere in the world. So to take your example EW Viljoen…cant ever hear him linking himself with the Sharks but you list him as an option. Nemani Nadolo has also never mentioned the Sharks and id rather sign him than Viljoen. So back to my question about my concern about firepower out wide…it appears that outside of guys nearing the end of their career we only have very untested youngsters or we will have to sign guys. Id like us to give those youngsters a run sooner rather than later so we know where we stand.

  • Comment 110, posted at 17.03.16 11:17:08 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : yes,a player like nkosi could do well to come into the sr squad and get used to at least the environment.was part of pre-season group.

  • Comment 111, posted at 17.03.16 11:41:41 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : it’s a very good point

  • Comment 112, posted at 17.03.16 11:46:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : dont think it is about mentioning any name.need to consider player’s ranking in the squad he is currently at.take ruan botha as an example.when the stormers signed psdt ,a lot of noise was made about the etzebeth/psdt combo,thus relegating another player to merely back-up.players want to develop their game and play for the boks.

  • Comment 113, posted at 17.03.16 11:46:50 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 113) : I still think until a player has actually signed for the Sharks its no use entering them into a discussion about what the Sharks have as we could potentially have anyone. Likewise the ‘depth’ we have could be gone in an instant. Guess i just like to work with the birds i do have not the ones in the bush.

  • Comment 114, posted at 17.03.16 11:57:44 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 112) : Dont get me wrong here im fully behind each player earning his spot. I just think wing is perhaps one area we are a bit thin at so would like to see if the young guns we do have actually show anything when playing with men in which case happy to bide out time with their development…or are they clearly out of their depth in which case rather source or improve other options. Maybe thats a bit too much forward thinking for rugby…who knows

  • Comment 115, posted at 17.03.16 11:59:46 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK: re: nadolo : hope the sharks are not just looking at how to defend against him,but also how to attack him.take their strenght and turn it into a weakness to exploit.

  • Comment 116, posted at 17.03.16 12:28:38 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : Agree with you 100%

  • Comment 117, posted at 17.03.16 12:31:05 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 116) : I think the Sharks gameplan and that of most teams will focus on certain areas in which they want to attack not just an individual as from phase play players get mixed up so arent always in the same place. So whilst you can possibly identify a weak defender or two that you may be able to exploit the main emphasis will be on the areas of the field you want to attack.

  • Comment 118, posted at 17.03.16 12:31:39 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 118) : nadolo is usually found defending on the wing,so should be easy to fix and target 😀

  • Comment 119, posted at 17.03.16 12:35:16 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 119) : Perhaps in the last phase on an attack…but going wide too quickly will just see you bundled into touch. He is also a big boy defending in a small channel…only way to expose any weakness is to suck in those inside him first.

  • Comment 120, posted at 17.03.16 12:57:24 by SheldonK Reply

  • @KingRiaan (Comment 102) : for sure they have limited time to make as much as possible, but it must still be done correct other wise they could burnout or get injured and end up earning nothing.

  • Comment 121, posted at 17.03.16 14:54:29 by JD Reply
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  • Just a comment in terms of development. ..Mjekevu as a wing…he might be relatively quick over 20m he isnt an outright wing. I remember him breaking free in currie cup only to be reeled in by Pollard….and never pinned his ears back he was watching the oncoming player all the time…this is both a confidence issue and experience. Is he the future wing for us and the boks? If no we need to identify that now already. I know its a bit blunt but hey its an opinion.

  • Comment 122, posted at 17.03.16 14:55:26 by Sharkfinn Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 120) : must say of what I’ve seen so far the Sharks are doing not to bad at sucking in players before going wide!

  • Comment 123, posted at 17.03.16 15:00:17 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 122) : I think we have to keep in mind that not every good player will be a Bok. Jacques Botes case in point. In terms of Mjekevu i think its a confidence thing…at school and as a youngster he certainly was quick with good feet. I think his handling probably hasnt developed as well and as a result it has affected the rest of his game. His defense isnt good enough to play anywhere but wing. I think he needs game time and a lot of it…just not sure if he willing to stick it out at the Sharks and play CC qualifying etc

  • Comment 124, posted at 17.03.16 15:03:38 by SheldonK Reply

  • @JD (Comment 123) : Yes we have been good at doing that and need to keep it up. I still think by cleaning past the ball we can create quicker ruck ball but im starting to give up on the idea of any SA side ever doing that…

  • Comment 125, posted at 17.03.16 15:06:44 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Sheldon Yes fully agree and yes Botes was a legend. . If he would develop in that mould holy moly no complaints from me ????.. yes its confidence but also muscle memory requires lots of repetitive training. To get those hands better…and his defence is also a mind thing to be frank coz he has size and speed.. he could be a devastating 13 but that requires skill.

  • Comment 126, posted at 17.03.16 15:14:59 by Sharkfinn Reply

  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 126) : He seemed to fair pretty well at centre in france and even his handling was pretty good. But i think you could attribute that to the heavier slower fields perhaps giving him more time. He just seems very rushed in the things he does. No doubt there is a lot of talent there. Possibly just needs a few stern words and needs to get his head in it

  • Comment 127, posted at 17.03.16 15:27:21 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 126) : @SheldonK (Comment 127) : just think guys like Sithole and Mjekevu must just be willing to wait for there time to come as JPP is leaving and Odwa will retire soon so there will be opening in the match 23.

  • Comment 128, posted at 17.03.16 17:29:12 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 125) : ja not sure if we will ever get the players to do that.

  • Comment 129, posted at 17.03.16 17:30:39 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 101) : Sure bit looking at our schedule which game would you risk taking Joe and Willie out?

  • Comment 130, posted at 17.03.16 18:31:33 by coolfusion Reply

  • Well all the talk of signing other players is a worry for another season anyways. You won’t be signing a good player that is ready right now. Best you can do if you have problems is hope you have depth and hope you have almost ready guys waiting in the wings ;).

  • Comment 131, posted at 17.03.16 18:36:50 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 130) : sorry for Joe but I think he will have to play untill Pat is fit and ready to play. Willie could be rested with Mvovo going to 15.

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