South Africa v Ireland: First test

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 11 Jun 2016 at 15:30
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It’s test rugby time again – today’s first test is at Newlands, kicking off at 5pm local time.

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Jon-Paul Pietersen, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Francois de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Siyamthanda Kolisi, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lodewyk de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Adriaan Strauss (captain), 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Julian Redelinghuys, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Warren Whiteley, 21 Rudy Paige, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Jesse Kriel.

Ireland: 15 Jared Payne, 14 Andrew Trimble, 13 Robbie Henshaw, 12 Luke Marshall, 11 Keith Earls, 10 Paddy Jackson, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 Jordi Murphy, 6 CJ Stander, 5 Devin Toner, 4 Iain Henderson, 3 Mike Ross, 2 Rory Best (captain), 1 Jack McGrath.
Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 Finlay Bealham, 18 Tadhg Furlong, 19 Ultan Dillane, 20 Rhys Ruddock, 21 Kieran Marmion, 22 Ian Madigan, 23 Craig Gilroy.


  • From all the games of the day so far and last night’s Saxons game…getting the mental temperament right under pressure is key. …this isn’t super rugby but Test rugby. ..kicking away possession is not always smart unless you are losing the ground battle. ..dont underestimate a pumped up Ireland. …all the games today have been fierce. I am super glad to see level headed Lambie!

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.06.16 16:25:29 by Sharkfinn Reply
  • French refs are so useless! How could he not see that deliberate knock down?!

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.06.16 17:18:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Lambie out cold. Hope it’s not too serious

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.06.16 17:30:36 by Die Kriek Reply

  • @Die Kriek (Comment 3) : Please provide more info please.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.06.16 17:32:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Cunt! That was on purpose.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.06.16 17:32:32 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Die Kriek (Comment 3) : Me too. That was bad.

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.06.16 17:33:33 by coolfusion Reply

  • Sorry all.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.06.16 17:34:02 by coolfusion Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 4) : Irish 6 jumped to charge down a kick, contacted Lambie hip to head at speed. Ref called it deliberate, red card. Lambie stretchered off, no neck brace though

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.06.16 17:37:52 by Die Kriek Reply

  • Dirty high tackle on Jantjies
    This is bad form. Another card ref!

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.06.16 17:41:15 by coolfusion Reply

  • Late and high tackle on Jantjies as Mvovo scores

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.06.16 17:41:50 by Die Kriek Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : Yellow card it is

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.06.16 17:42:23 by Die Kriek Reply

  • Very dirty from the Irish. Unacceptable.

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.06.16 17:44:08 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Die Kriek (Comment 8) : thank you. Asked some friends of mine and they couldn’t explain. At least.

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.06.16 17:52:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • We want blood. They came hard let’s show them hard!

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.06.16 17:53:45 by coolfusion Reply

  • Louw is bad…gets tackled back and conceeding too many penalties
    Mvovo is bad…missed all kicks at him…screwed up a try there in the end…and unless there is no one in front of him he makes no meters…
    JPP is bad doing nothing…
    Vermeulen on holiday!?!

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.06.16 17:55:59 by Hmmm Reply

  • Really need Thor to go onto destroy mode right now.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.06.16 17:57:48 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 15) : I hope combrinck gets a start next weekend in place of Mvovo

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.06.16 18:01:59 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Lambie update: He is upand talking, being taken to hospital for scans

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.06.16 18:05:40 by Die Kriek Reply

  • @Die Kriek (Comment 18) : Still no brace?

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.06.16 18:07:36 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Eish….this extended Meyer team and game plan of AC is not working

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.06.16 18:10:04 by Hmmm Reply

  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 17) :
    Yes Combrink Jaco Kriel and Whitely should start…

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.06.16 18:11:31 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 21) : yess but keep Thor , play him at 7

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.06.16 18:16:24 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Eish…this terrible boring game plan on Coetzee is not working for me…

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.06.16 18:21:44 by Hmmm Reply

  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 22) : agreed

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.06.16 18:22:21 by Hmmm Reply

  • How does AC take Faf off and bring on Paige…Faf is the only backline player that has been playing well…now the ball is 20% slower

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.06.16 18:44:55 by Hmmm Reply

  • We lose against 14 Irish men another record.

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.06.16 18:54:20 by coolfusion Reply

  • This is what happens if you wait 2 months before a test to anounce a coach . AND they lost against 14 men. PATHETIC!!!!!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.06.16 18:55:47 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Maybe 13 men. Then we would have a chance.

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.06.16 18:55:49 by coolfusion Reply

  • That was awful. No pride for the jersey. Can’t really blame them with all the shit going on behind the scenes, though.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.06.16 18:58:14 by Ben Reply
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  • 😯

    This is one of those times I can Honestly say I`m glad I don`t take rugby so seriously anymore.

    This sort of performance would`ve had me spitting venom All Night in the past!

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.06.16 19:01:31 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 30) : Same here. SA Rugby is pretty much dead to me.

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.06.16 19:04:05 by Ben Reply
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  • Well, that was embarrassing!

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.06.16 19:06:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • After a wonderful trip to Europe came to an end this week, I guess that was “welcome back to South Africa…” *sigh*

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.06.16 19:07:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This was a very poor Ireland side that got smashed by ARG in the WC quarters…that only won 2 games in the 6N…and they only had 14 men for most of the game…
    And we lose against that at home for the first time ever…

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.06.16 19:14:50 by Hmmm Reply

  • Well..that was kak…on the bright side we now know Faf is looking very good, Lambie goes off and our plan goes with him, Lood did ok and even Beast showed glimpses of the man he should be. Eben and Lood togetger are too fiery…our lineout was not good…Flo was ok for 5 mins in the beginning but then vanished…Thor dhowed glumpses but didnt bring his moer in game…Khaleesi???? was ok…but only in glimpses…SA MOTM was Flaf….wow….just wow a 13 man half Ireland team…its Japan all over again.

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.06.16 19:16:07 by Sharkfinn Reply

  • Watch Bosh playing well for U20 right now against Arg….at least they might make my weekend

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.06.16 19:29:47 by Sharkfinn Reply

  • i also thought Strauss was uninspiring and in no-mans land a few times, JP looked past his is sell by date. This is definitely not the best we can offer cause it was downright a bore.

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.06.16 19:43:11 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • That was just dog shit. I am on the verge of giving up on the Boks. I want, like the rest of the world, to have the BEST players on the field at all times. Kriel, Combrink, Whitely, Marx, Mostert all need to come into this side and teach the players how to find space on a rugby field. So tired of us thinking we can simply run over everyone, the game has changed. You don’t have to weigh 116kg to play loose forward. Pathetic game from a weak Irish side, shocking

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.06.16 19:56:54 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Jeremiser (Comment 37) : our number 1 hooker is playing for Montpellier under a smiling Jake white .

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.06.16 20:00:05 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Alls I wanna know: how bad is Lambie’s injury?

    The Sharks would appreciate him back without any scratches.

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.06.16 20:30:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Well, the baby Boks are not improving my welcome back to SA!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.06.16 20:43:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Jesus….bleak weekend rugby for all SA sides. ..South Africa A…Boks and U20 boks….I need a drink!

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.06.16 20:49:15 by Sharkfinn Reply

  • Lambie to miss second test….which means either of April or bulls Fh to be bench Fh. I’m slightly concerned.

    Also read that AC threw Elton under the bus by saying that he went off script. Those two really love each other.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.06.16 21:10:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @pastorshark (Comment 41) : welcome back to SA. Hope you had fun over there!

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.06.16 21:27:33 by JD Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 34) : losing to Japan is very close if not worse but yes this was one of the top worse moments in Bok history!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.06.16 21:29:50 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 43) : April is probably the next in line which is so fucken laughable,Goosen or Frans Steyn should be brought in.
    Hell we are so lucky we didn’t play England orWales today we would have been slaughtered.I had a dreadful feeling watching Coetzee doing his Yoda impersonation at the end of the game,that this is in fact the Bok coach.
    England,Wales and Ireland have gone for foreign coaches and its working for them,we on the other hand ……………

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.06.16 21:34:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : Seems we’re in the business of exporting/discarding our top coaches.

    Lots of blame has to be laid at saru’s feet: taking ages to select the coach, selecting his assistant coaches on his behalf.

    It’s hard not to see rugby in SA as being doomed – poor rand and rubbish saru….difficult to see this being turned into an upward curve any time soon.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.06.16 21:41:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • …Shickerling needs to be fast tracked to the Boks, that boy was on fire last night – ditch Lood.

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.06.16 21:45:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 43) : Where did you find that article? Was also wondering if they stuck to the game plan, because I did not see one…

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.06.16 22:07:21 by HeinF Reply

  • @JD (Comment 44) : A great time…thanks!

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.06.16 22:13:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 49) : Just saw a tweet from one of the scribes (I think).

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.06.16 22:19:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) : Ah, thanks. Well, for better or worse, the two of them will have to get along!

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.06.16 22:32:58 by HeinF Reply

  • calm down peeps not the greatest result but early days the team will get there

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.06.16 22:35:46 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 53) : First time in history that we lose to Ireland in SA.

    We always hear how a week is a long time in rugby – well AC had two weeks to prepare for a depleted Irish team…we couldn’t even take them with our numerical advantage.

    As James Small said, we need to raise our expectations…. this is test rugby, not Currie Cup.

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.06.16 07:40:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • I made a promise to myself not to have a go at a coach boxing with one hand tied behind his back. In the past I would have been seething mad – now just slightly sad. SA rugby is in deep trouble.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.06.16 07:56:53 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 55) : Probably not all AC’s fault, sadly the buck stops with him.

    The biggest culprit is a little man using SA sports for his political grandstanding.

    I believe every player in that squad deserves to be there (certain players are starting because of their experience, and not current form -AC needs to o fix this). But the incessant meddling from the fat-cats has a negative effect on team morale.

    How else do we explain all 4 national teams losing on the same weekend. One common denominator….the little man with the big tantrum.

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.06.16 08:14:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • We all feel a few players should not be there,but they are there on reputation. The boks played bad,no excuses like AC said, but I can’t blame the coach for the attitude of the players. If you got the feeling they really played with pride and we still looked as flat as we did,then great, I will be first in line to blame AC. The rugby the boks TRIED to play at least wasn’t the same defence orientated kicking game the stormers used to play under him or the way the boks played last year. We haven’t seen enough of the game plan to know how good it is, but think we can give the coach a break till the rugby championship. The players on the other hand need to step up, most of them were extremely poor.
    This may also not be a popular comment,but based on friday’s game,Marx is definitely where he should be atm,not with the boks.

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.06.16 08:37:08 by HeinF Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : I am not necessarily talking about the players but more the coaching staff and the lack of time to plan. Apart from Proudfoot, AC got saddled with staff preselected by SARU. Bok coaching is not a place for on the job training – you need an experienced team at this level that all can add value from day 1.

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.06.16 08:53:53 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Malherbe has really decided to take over all Jannie’s roles – from scrum anchor to chief penalty machine.

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.06.16 08:56:13 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 57) : The dilemma is: had this loss happened on JW’s, PdV’s or HM’s clock, we would have had a full go at them.

    This is another historical loss for SA. His late appointment didn’t help matters, but at international level you get a very limited amount of time with your players – best idea is to keep it simple, look at your squad and ensure your gameplan is adjusted according to the player strengths on the field.

    AC has been at international level before, how did he not anticipate the difficulties with introducing a new gameplan with so little prep time – he needs to evolve his plan, and also back young in-form players….reputation has once again caused us national embarrassment.

    Agree re: Marx….felt Mapoe also failed to deliver, Kriel looked far more lively when he came on. Warren Whiteley looked better than Vermeulen – far more dynamic and able to keep the ball alive.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.06.16 08:58:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 58) : That is true, but AC shouldn’t have agreed to those terms.

    HM wouldn’t sign until he got his support staff, and he went down on his terms.

    AC wanted the job so desperately that he agreed to these ridiculous terms from saru – so in the end, he still went into this knowing fully well what he had to work with. He clearly thought he could make a success of things under these circumstances, and he has now already been found wanting.

    He had saru over a barrel, he could have made his terms clear and they had no choice but to accept it. He didn’t, and he now has to accept the consequences.

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.06.16 09:04:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) : True, maybe I am lenient on the coach, it just doesn’t make sense to me that so many players played like the Irish just showed up to tell them how impressive they were. I was disappointed with Mapoe, just felt that I never saw him at all. This is going to be a long week for the management as well as the players.

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.06.16 09:14:30 by HeinF Reply

  • @HeinF (Comment 62) : He was playing next to de Allende though?

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.06.16 09:18:21 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : maybe they should make it a complete Lions backline. Bring in Mnisi at 12 ( Mapoe would probably be more comfortable) ,Combrinck in for JPP, Skosan in for MVOVO

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.06.16 09:30:59 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : Ja,can’t really blame him,de allende never learned how to pass…few times the ball did get to the wing was either because of a skip pass or because of lateral running of the ball carrier. But still,I really forgot he was on the field. Not saying it is all his fault,just that I was hoping he brought us something different on attack

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.06.16 09:33:53 by HeinF Reply

  • @HeinF (Comment 65) : These guys remind me of last year’s Sharks – unsure, confused and unhappy. Best is to give them some leeway and hope like the Sharks of this year they can start pulling together.

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.06.16 09:41:43 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 66) : Yes,what I am hoping for as well! So I am just watching the next few tests,seeing what happens

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.06.16 09:50:02 by HeinF Reply

  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 22) : Yes Whiteley at 8. And Psdt needs to str with Lood. Etsebeth frankly just plain boring and uninspired.

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.06.16 12:33:48 by coolfusion Reply

  • I’m glad Faf stepped up. But besides him what do we have at 9? Please don’t say Rudi Paige…

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.06.16 12:36:12 by coolfusion Reply

  • I must say I agree our administration us in shambles. HM was not let go early enough and there was no urgency in getting the new man in on time and let him prep.

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.06.16 12:41:22 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : @HeinF (Comment 65) : i think Mapoe got the ball 3 times maybe ? Lood was in the backline half the time

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.06.16 14:37:14 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) : must say I can’t remember Mapoe passing the ball once. Kriel looked a lot better than Mapoe but then again not a lot of Bok players had a good game!

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.06.16 20:56:50 by JD Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 71) :

    Very few opportunities with the ball, yes. Good players will make there own opportunities though. There are also other things to do: Tackles, turn-overs, joining rucks, chasing kicks……….Nothing.

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.06.16 01:25:34 by fyndraai Reply
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  • I see people have the knives out and ready to stick it into any coach and player they can find. Simple fact is if your numbers 1-8 go backwards then you very hav a very slim chance of winning, and thats what happened on Saturday. Plain and simple. All this talk of wanting to see a more expansive game with no kicking, well you got it. Seems people only want that if we win by many tries. What people forget is that you have to dominate up front in order to suck opposition defenders in before there is any space out wide. We also seem to forget that you have to have a solid defense at Test level. Judging by the Fri game vs the Saxons and the test on Sat there are some unpopular guys that really put their hands up and some popular guys who were really poor.

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.06.16 08:19:12 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 55) : That is the sane way of doing things. I will try and adopt that policy. Yes SA team sports are in a hole and the walls are starting to crumble.

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.06.16 08:49:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 71) : Mapoe disapointed the times he did get the ball though, he was very tentative as soon as the opposition neared him – it was weird to watch because it was totally the opposite to how he would approach the same situation in a Lions jersey.

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.06.16 08:52:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : for sure don’t think the players adjusted to test match rugby. Both Bok teams did not look great!

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.06.16 08:53:29 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 77) : Both packs on Fri and Sat did not get on the front foot and the respective backlines struggled as a result as opposition could just fan out and make their tackles. Rugby is not a complicated game…Part one: your forwards need to go forward and suck in opposition defense, Part two: you pass it out wide and score. You cant do part two without having achieved part one. Simple as that.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.06.16 08:57:16 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : I got a pretty bad feeling watching the week ends rugby,that I was watching the weakest National sides that we had fielded since readmission.We played the weakest of the three six nation teams on tour.We played against 14 men for most of the game and apart from one moment of Mvovu magic and and a fortuitous intercept try we were totally shite.The team seemed to go on the field with a single objective , to physically dominate the Irish, and had no plan B when theycame off second best.
    Malherbe the iron man in the front row was reduced to a walking penalty,Straus was impotent and utterly clueless he has less leadership qualities than Bismarck.Ethebeth is a school yard bully and was soundly beaten by an ageing Irish line out forward.De Jaager was so intent on creating an impression, he forgot his natural game and tried to out PSDT,PSDT.and turned into a Schalk Burger flyhallf clone..
    Once Lambie left the backline froze,only le Roux took any responsibility and he had so little faith in his backline that he elected to run sideways and backwards rather than pass the ball.
    The blame must go squarely on the pathetic coaching staff who sent this team onto the field with absolutely no game plan,but the hope that with the freedom to play what they see in front of them on the day. they would succeed
    If you have leaders like Dan Carter and Ritchie McCaw on the field you can play that game.But once Lambie left there was nobody capable of leading it.
    I hope Coetzee has the foresight to realise this and pick the only man within leadership ability in that squad for the next game.Whitely when he came on was a breath of fresh air,but they took off the wrong man off for him,they should have taken off Koilisi or Vermullenas after Louw left we never effected one turn over.

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.06.16 09:02:22 by The hound Reply
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  • Talk about panic,Coetzee is now recalling Morne Steyn,thats so pathetic ,what next Victor Mattfield and maybe John Smit he needs a job.

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.06.16 09:15:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : Look i really dont think the coaching staff thought the players would be as bad as they were on Saturday. The Boks got beaten up in the contact situations and not much you can do as a coaching staff about that. Yes he didnt get everything 100% but no coach ever does. I think he is also learning about the players in this group and who can stand up and who cant. So hopefully he learns quickly. The poor performance from the SA A side on Fri also probably doesnt give him much confidence about what else is there. If the Boks want a good game plan just check out what Jake White is doing at Montpelier. He doesnt always get it right but what he does have is a pack that goes forward and a backline that knows their roles.

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.06.16 09:28:55 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : Yes but Morne Steyn for fucksake thats not panic thats paranoia,go forward not backwards,try Goosen,or back Jaantjies and April he chose them.

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.06.16 09:33:56 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : I didnt know about Morne Steyn- is that confirmed? On the play from Fri and Sat he should have called up Brummer who had a great game.

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.06.16 10:11:19 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : if forwards struggle you must addapt. Sometimes teams can win without their forwards being dominant.

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.06.16 10:43:23 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 84) : Its very very difficult to win if your forwards are dominated. It means the opposition can commit less numbers at the tackle and breakdown and thus spread over the field. You then have to resort to trying to play risky rugby which can maybe get reward but often has the opposite effect. More often than not if a teams forwards go backwards they lose. Even the mighty Lions are evidence of that.

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.06.16 10:47:20 by SheldonK Reply


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