No Willie for Lions clash

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 27 Jun 2016 at 09:00
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The Sharks have been dealt a bitter blow ahead of Saturday’s crucial Super Rugby clash against the Lions at Ellis Park. Ace fullback and key attacking playmaker Willie le Roux will not be able to play in te match.

Le Roux was shown a yellow card during the Springboks’ third test win over Ireland at the weekend, after a clumsy aerial challenge that some pundits felt deserved red at the time. The inevitable citing followed and he has since been given a one-week suspension.

Gary Gold will need to take stock and decide who he will entrust with the number 15 jersey this week. Pat Lambie is still under something of an injury cloud, too, but between Joe Pietersen and Garth April, the Sharks do have options at both flyhalf and fullback. That said, there may just be a niggling (and perhaps reckless) thought at the back of Gold’s mind that the time may be right to acid test Curwin Bosch. Pietrsen and April, while both fine players, have both been found a little wanting in one key area this year; length on line kicks. It’s an area where the 20-year-old Bosch excels and with his game-breaking abilities well-displayed at the recent under 20 World Championships, I might be tempted to see how he goes in the big leagues.


  • Would be a very brave decision to include bosch. It’s a must win game for us so hopes we go for it!

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.06.16 09:02:08 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 1) : I’ve told Gary he must. Let’s hope he listens 🙂

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.06.16 09:03:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • I wouldn’t want to be Gold at this point. It’s a hard decision whether to include Bosch or not and an even more difficult one if Lambie is not cleared to play.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.06.16 09:06:37 by Hulk Reply

  • I realise this thread is more now what do we do after the citing commision has found Willie Guilty… but am I the only one who believes that the yellow card was milked by the Irish Player Tiernan O’Halloran. I am no aerial expert (being a Front ranker)… but if you look at the footage the “impact” happens then while Willie is moving away the Irishman kicks up his right leg which then forces him to land on his shoulders…

    to me it fits into the same category as Matt Giteau’s performance in the final and both Tiernan O’Halloran and Matt Giteau should be cited for bringing the game into disrepute.

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.06.16 09:18:40 by Warren Harvey Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : What is his weight? Do you think he’ll physically be ready for a session with the big boys? The ENG side they played was very big, but not as physical as the Lions players will be. Guess he has to be ready sometime, I really like him.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.06.16 09:21:30 by Quintin Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : His defense is still a work in progress though. Wouldn’t Gold be risking a real knock to his confidence against an attacking team like the Lions?

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.06.16 09:22:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • If pat is ready to play,won’t it be fair to give April a go at 15? Can’t remember if he had a proper game there yet, but so far ha hasn’t let us down yet. If they give Bosch a go,great, but otherwise I think April will give us a bit of attacking flair from the back as well. Damn,this suspension is ridiculous, why should Willie miss a game for us for something that happened at international level??

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.06.16 09:35:17 by HeinF Reply

  • Am I the only one who feels Bosch would be man handled at Super Rugby level??? You guys have got to be kidding me. You play Bosch at Fullback and we get slaughtered. They will bomb him all day long and trust me, Combrink, Mapoe, Johan Janse Van Rensburg, Jaco Kriel etc breaking the line and little Bosch will be swatted aside. He is not ready, period.

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.06.16 09:44:26 by Vonno13 Reply
  • He is the same age that players like Lambie and Frans Steyn started playing for the sharks. Is it a risk? Sure,both Steyn and Lambie were special players. I would also rather give April or even Joe a start there, but if they are going to go with Odwa,then rather go with Bosch. We have to win this game,he might just be another pleasant surpise for us

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.06.16 09:56:31 by HeinF Reply

  • @Vonno13 (Comment 8) : I wouldn’t say slaughter but I agree that he needs to bulk up a lot before playing SR although you can surely agree that he already has the needed skill set?

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.06.16 10:16:30 by Quintin Reply

  • @HeinF (Comment 9) : Lambie and Steyn were both heavy set boys with no issues on defence. I really like Bosch and do not want to see him become another Earl Rose. He needs time to develop into a man, he is very slim and has not developed yet. Give the boy time otherwise he is going to get ruined. This is one of, if not the most physical game in the world, you can’t just through an under developed 19 year old in there because he runs and kicks nicely. The Lions game is going to be brutal contest and bodies will need to be put on the line. JP Pietersen should be moved to fullback and perhaps we can accommodate April on the wing, just a thought.

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.06.16 10:17:53 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Quintin (Comment 10) : Read my comment below. Yes, he is an incredible one of a kind talent. But he is 19 and if you have seen him in person, clearly not yet developed, he is almost skinny. He needs time.

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.06.16 10:19:43 by Vonno13 Reply
  • I doubt Pat will be ready to play…also not sure if it is wise to play him if he is as dont think he is even training. Cant see Bosch playing after a heavy workload for the u20s. Likely to see Pieterson at 15 on Saturday i reckon

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.06.16 10:22:58 by SheldonK Reply

  • How about:
    8-Van der Walt
    10-Lambie/April(if lambie still injured)
    15-Joe Pieterson

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.06.16 10:35:41 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Boch has to play, even if its only the last 30.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.06.16 10:45:18 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 15) : that’s an idea…. bench him. Why not?

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.06.16 10:47:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : As long as we keep the ball, and only give Bosch the kicking duties…then he won’t need to do much tackling 😀

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.06.16 10:49:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Vonno13 (Comment 12) : I agree 100%. I don’t want them to spoil a good talent by throwing him in there if he’s not ready yet, physically that is. It looks like he has 0% fat which is probably a good thing if you are built a bit more stocky, but not in his situation. He needs to grow at least for another year and a half. Very exciting prospect though, I can’t wait!

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.06.16 10:53:34 by Quintin Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : We have nothing to lose, my feeling is to give us the best chance to get into the finals Boch has to be there. We cannot take the safe route in our last three games, this would mean we definitely wont make the finals. To add to this, we all expect Boch to be our fullback next year, when he has not even had a touch of ball in Srugby. Rather blood the oke so he is 100% next year.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.06.16 11:05:54 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 11) : Yes he is slim, but he somehow reminds me of Christian Cullen.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.06.16 11:08:35 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 19) : Agree. Give him the start with Joe on the bench. If it turns into a horror show, pull him off after 30. Roll the dice, it may pay off!

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.06.16 11:10:53 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 19) : @robdylan (Comment 16) : That can work, to bench him and give him 15/20min in our last 3 games, just to give him a taste of what is to come, I just won’t start the guy, yet.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.06.16 11:13:48 by Quintin Reply

  • @Dragnipur (Comment 21) : But then you risk damaging his growing confidence by pulling him off after a couple of minutes don’t you think? And it’s more likely he would handle the physicality of the last 20mins better than the starting 20, which is usually tougher.

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.06.16 11:16:56 by Quintin Reply

  • @Dragnipur (Comment 21) : Right, lets throw a 75kg 19 year old with obvious defensive frailties against a powerful lions team. Who cares if it dents his confidence for life and we lose what could have been an exceptional talent. Come on guys, this talk is stupid. If he was that ready, he would have been there. The coaches are not even picking him in a crap CC XV, that should tell you something already.

    But if the consensus is to throw him in with the Lions, so be it. I for one feel it would not be good for his career. Blady Rob Du Preez did not feel his boys, who are beasts, were physically ready for Super Rugby a year older than Bosch, how the hell is Bosch going to survive the impact?? Remember, there will be a lot less space than u20 rugby

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.06.16 11:25:41 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 21) : read cullen bench pressed 145kg.

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.06.16 11:58:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Vonno13 (Comment 11) : Lambie also wasn’t the biggest guy around,but I do agree on all your points. He would be my third choice for this match, but I think going to Odwa is not ideal. I would lrefer Lambie at 10 and April at 15,think he will give us something on counter that JP will not. Plus,he can come to the other side of the scrum to serve as first receiver. Then again,if Lambie can’t play,I’ll have to come up with a new gameplan!

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.06.16 12:15:35 by HeinF Reply

  • Garth april = 80kgs, Curwin bosch = 80gks, Pat lambie = 83Kgs, Joe Pietersen = 85 Kgs. and for good measure Elton Jantjies 84Kgs.

    The boy is big enough

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.06.16 12:21:28 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 27) : On pure weight perhaps…conditioning is a very different matter though. How many adults has he tackled in his life? or been tackled by? Remember a very knowledgeable guy in Rob DuPreez wanting to manage his kids career properly said they werent ready when they were older and weighing more than their Bok counter parts…

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.06.16 12:28:38 by SheldonK Reply

  • @byron (Comment 27) : SA rugby has Pat at 87 and Elton at 88.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.06.16 12:28:49 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @byron (Comment 27) : @SheldonK (Comment 28) : Plus , Garth and all of those on that list are older than CB, their bodies has had more time to develop and adjust to the physicality of senior rugby. Even when Pat was younger he had more beef on him than CB does now and looked more adjusted to the physicality. So those weights are irrelevant(and some are wrong), it’s how he will respond to the physicality of the game.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.06.16 12:35:16 by Quintin Reply

  • Pretty sure if bosch was a new zealander he’d have played. If you’re good enough you are old enough.

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.06.16 12:37:59 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 31) : So kinda like they picked the little Damien McKenzie for the the games against the Welsh…oh wait they didnt. Age and conditioning are very different.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.06.16 12:42:41 by SheldonK Reply

  • I’m afraid – even if the numbers are out that I disagree about the weigh size issue. If youre good enough you should play. Damian McKenzie is about the same size and he stepped straight out of NZ u20s into a S15 team and he was selected for the NZ team a year later. He’s around the same weight class.

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.06.16 12:47:07 by byron Reply

  • The reality – even if im wrong about Pat etc current weight – the likelyhood is when they started their careers they were there or there about and Pat in particular was so effective at 15 that it has defined his career going forward.

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.06.16 12:49:02 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 34) : I think we forgetting that Pat didnt go straight from being in school to the Sharks side. He played a full year in the u21s beforehand.

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.06.16 12:51:06 by SheldonK Reply

  • I hope pats ok, he got hurt weeks ago

    Excited to see ruan botha play, likely off the bench

    I’d move jpp to 15, we have good wing options mvovo, sithole, mjekevu

    this is the one game we still have that we really really needed willie

    I wont mind seeing April there

    Gold is likely to go with Joe as thats the safe choose, and I’d understand

    My vote goes with JPP to 15

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.06.16 12:57:15 by revolverocelot Reply

  • Really don’t know if I’m in favour of Bosch playing against the Lions. One thing I do know is that this whole thing with Willie is ridiculous as he was focused on winning the ball and he never looked where the Irish player was as his eyes were focused on the ball and his hand was centimeters away from the ball when they collided so was an accident and for me even the yellow card was harsh!

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.06.16 12:59:46 by JD Reply
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  • I think we are extremely quick to call injustice with calls that we perceive goes against us, while turning a blind eye to those calls that favours us. Willie should have been red carded like CJ Stander was. The ban was justified. Pity that we have to suffer as a result.

    I really hope that Pat would be ready for this clash because he has a point to proof. He might be out of the bok squad al together if he is not ready to play. We all know how the selectors favours Pollard.

    I am not comfortable with April, but at the same time to play well at 0/20 does not mean you would be doing well at this level either, therefore not comfortable with Bosch. Pietersen, already contributed to our predicament increasing the pressure on our team.

    I would suggest JP or Lwasi on Full back. Both have played there.

    What I do hope is that the Jaguares find their way and won all their remaining matches!!!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.06.16 13:03:10 by BluffShark Reply

  • i would also like to see Keegan back in the team. He is currentlky in my opinion our best player

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.06.16 13:10:02 by BluffShark Reply

  • @BluffShark (Comment 38) : Can’t agree with a red card on willie. The refs look to how the tackled player falls to decide how serious it is. Pat landed a lot worse, the Irish player landed on his back (upper back, but still back). Had he landed on his shoulders or neck, fair enough, red card. Still think it was a yellow card offense, the irish player was fine afterwards.

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.06.16 13:42:46 by HeinF Reply

  • @HeinF (Comment 40) : I agree that yellow was right call but also think some refs could over react and go red. There was a legitimate challenge for the ball but there was a dangerous outcome and as a result i think yellow was the right call. The ruling of players going to air and then coming down dangerously needs to be addressed by the rules committee. They need to still provide a fair contest but also make it safe.

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.06.16 14:00:27 by SheldonK Reply

  • damian mckenzie tackling nadolo

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.06.16 14:02:15 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : I was also happy with the yellow. O’Halloran was in a better position to catch the ball, so Willie should have been a bit closer for it to be fair competition for the ball. Going to watch the match in Joburg, was actually looking forward to seeing Willie play for us

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.06.16 14:14:55 by HeinF Reply

  • @HeinF (Comment 43) : Look i think Willie needs a break as he is looking a bit stale to be honest so perhaps this week break will be good as the Lions game will be both physically and mentally tough. I wonder if Jantjies will play as he is clearly still injured. Think Joe Pieterson will play 15 and he is actually pretty good there

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.06.16 14:31:40 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : Was also thinking he played quite a bit of rugby. Joe is always solid at the back, we will be fine at 15. Wonder if Ackerman will rest Jantjies. His finger is still heavily bandaged, but I think the lions would also want to win this one. Same could go for Whitely, wonder if his shoulder is okay

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.06.16 14:39:39 by HeinF Reply

  • I don’t think there was any possibility of Willie catching that ball and therefore the onus was on him to ensure the safety of the opposition. He failed. He has now been punished – and that is it!!! So let agree to disagree, because we as humans would be able to justify anything if we really apply our minds to it.

    I really hope Lambie would play, but if not, what about Keegan as captan.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.06.16 14:41:34 by BluffShark Reply

  • With all due respect, call it what you want, but I have not forgotten Joe’s pathetic kick to the post…

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.06.16 14:43:23 by BluffShark Reply

  • we have alot of options


    I really hope willie doesnt leave after this year though 😥

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.06.16 14:45:50 by revolverocelot Reply

  • imo the sharks should pick odwa at under the high ball,good boot (game is at altitude),good defensively,has an eye for the counter-attack.think sharks should rest lambie for at least one more week.start april no10.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.06.16 14:45:58 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @HeinF (Comment 45) : Jantjies hand is still clearly fractured. If he keeps playing he will definitely be out for Rugby Championship.

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.06.16 14:46:28 by SheldonK Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 49) : I’m not on board, Love odwa but I’d rather play jpp or mvovo

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.06.16 14:49:56 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 52) : need jpp and mvovo to stop the lions attacks on the wings and hit them with our own attacks.they are both the first choice wings.odwa has also played no15.bench?ungerer pietersen sithole.

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.06.16 14:57:44 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • I am also not a fan of rushing Bosch into Super Rugby level, I think some real defensive frailties were exposed during the u20 competition and he needs to sort this out and get some confidence before entering the Super rugby arena, especially against a team like the Lions with their attacking abilities.

    If April has to play 10 because Lambie is not yet ready then I would certainly look at Joe or Odwa in the first instance.

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.06.16 15:05:07 by stevovo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : At least I think Ackerman has enought confidence in the rest of his team to rest Jantjies if it is needed. AC was a bit desperate last few weeks!

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.06.16 15:28:31 by HeinF Reply

  • @HeinF (Comment 54) : Marnitz Boschoff did well the game Jantjies couldnt play. Although i do feel the Sharks would prefer to play against Boschoff style than Jantjies

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.06.16 15:38:53 by SheldonK Reply

  • Guys let Boch play, we are going to need him next year with some experience.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.06.16 15:48:37 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Let’s be realistic…SA have lost the plot regarding our kicking game – we ditched intelligent kicking for “exciting”/headless running players.

    Bosch brings a tactical boot 2nd to none…ignore this prolific talent at your peril….use it or lose it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.06.16 15:57:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : He has a good boot on him no doubting that. He also has a great running and passing game also no doubting that. My concern is when he retrieves a ball at the back and runs it back and gets hit by a Franco Mostert or Jaco Kriel…could snap him in half and the talent be gone then.

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.06.16 16:03:54 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : How do you feel we going to manage next year with Odwa most likely retired, Willie likely to be gone, Joe gone? We cant expect this guy to play Srugby next year and expect him to be a superstar if we did not blood the oke.
    Don’t forget if he plays CC rugby then the likely hood of him running unto a big guy in Kimberly/Bloemfontein is just a good. Makes no difference on the end of the day.

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.06.16 16:07:57 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 59) : If we banking on a 19yr old for next year we should be worried. We still have Lambie and April that will play 10 and 15 next year. Then there is Eksteen who has played against adults as well and done well for Sharks XV. Let Bosch play in the u21 CC…perhaps even bench for the senior side in a couple games. Let the guy mature before we chuck him in and have another Johan Goosen problem and he buggers off overseas where its easier on the body. Id rather have Bosch play the next 3 years than the next 3 games.

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.06.16 16:10:57 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : Naas Botha was a master at avoiding contact, yet he was the best Fh of his time.

    I agree with your fears, but we had none of these objections when we wanted Lambie to start.

    Bosch has to be given the opportunity to show whether he’d succeed at SR level…fear should not be the reasoning for denying him this opportunity.

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.06.16 16:11:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 61) : The difference is Lambie had a year of u21 CC before he played senior CC rugby and then Super rugby. Bosch is super talented. But that talent could be wasted very easily. Remember he took a knock or two at Varsity cup and missed several weeks. And thats just varsity cup with kids.

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.06.16 16:16:06 by SheldonK Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : naas had a dominant northerns pack.

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.06.16 16:29:04 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : your concerns re: the physical step-up is valid.that is why I’m undecided,and would rather err on the side of think there is merit in arguing that he could play off the bench vs cheetahs and sunwolves.should both be fast-paced for the cc,think as much time as possible should be used on conditioning as possible.I’d think of starting him from the halfway point in the u21s .extra time just in the gym.

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.06.16 16:35:46 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : I can tell you now he wont stay long if we don’t give him game time, he will be snapped up by the Bulls or Province.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.06.16 16:57:44 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • What happened to Inny Radebe?

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.06.16 17:51:12 by Baylion Reply

  • Those thoughts of JPP when I first saw him play, from fullback, still brings a smile to my face. Wonder why he ever moved to wing? Would like to see him there again.

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.06.16 18:30:54 by Bite me Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 46) : Sorry you have this one wrong, comparing it to the Stander challenge on Lambie is like apples and oranges. Lambie was kicking the ball, Stander made an attempt to block the kick (which he clearly had no chance of doing) and was completely reckless in his contact with Lambie, since Lambie was still running in the same direction he was when Stander left the ground, so no matter what Lambie was going to be hammered with his hip in the head. Lambie did not jump or duck.

    The ref explained the situation perfectly when giving the yellow card to Willie. He clearly acknowledged that Willie was going for the ball, and that his eyes were on the ball (yes the ref said that), but because the player landed dangerously (shoulder/neck) the laws call for a yellow card sanction. Willie’s attempt at the ball while mistimed, was certainly not reckless. The yellow card was the absolutely correct decision, however, to then ban Willie for the same period as Stander is simply a joke, the yellow card was sufficient sanction as was agreed to by 4 match officials after watching multiple replays. In Stander’s case the four match officials agreed to a red card after watching the replays. That says something right there.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.06.16 23:13:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 68) :

    It says here that they deemed it a red-card.

  • Comment 69, posted at 28.06.16 02:48:35 by fyndraai Reply
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  • All this talk about Bosch being too small. Seriously guys? When will South Africans realise that rugby has evolved?

  • Comment 70, posted at 28.06.16 04:17:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 70) : If you’re good enough then you’re big enough.

  • Comment 71, posted at 28.06.16 04:22:24 by Ben Reply
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  • April defense was found wanting in an entire side that was found wanting. When he played for sharks he defended just as well as his peers. I don’t think his ONE a-side game can be compared to the work he did at the sharks just weeks before. I say he should be given a chance sooner rather than later keep his confidence up. As for Bosch put him on the bench let him have a taste but not a full match. Really hope Pat is going to be ready. But Joe Pietersen is competent enough at 15 April at 10 with Bosch on the bench for either.

  • Comment 72, posted at 28.06.16 06:59:28 by coolfusion Reply

  • @fyndraai (Comment 69) : Willie pleaded guilty so the JO never had to rule specifically and merely confirmed the citing. It would have been interesting to see how he would have ruled had Willie defended the charge considering the WR guidelines:

    “At a meeting in April 2015, the Laws Representation Group (LRG) considered the areas of the Game where, it had been agreed that Law amendments were not required but that current Law was to be enforced by match officials including:
    Challenging players in the air – Law 10.4(i)
    The options given were:
    Play on – Fair challenge with both players in a realistic position to catch the ball. Even if the player(s) land(s) dangerously, play on
    Penalty only – Fair challenge with wrong timing – No pulling down
    Yellow card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player is pulled down landing on his back or side
    Red card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player lands on his head, neck or shoulder”

  • Comment 73, posted at 28.06.16 07:10:22 by Baylion Reply

  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 65) : He will leave for not getting super rugby and cc game time at 19? If so then let him go right now as if thats his attitude he is clearly in it just for himself and nothing else. I just find it interesting that Pat Lambie, DuPreez brothers and even Thomas DuToit were carefully managed into senior rugby and all in much better condition than Bosch but Bosch we want to throw straight in after some good performances against kids…

  • Comment 74, posted at 28.06.16 08:03:47 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : good point

  • Comment 75, posted at 28.06.16 08:45:13 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : I find this argument totally ridiculous,if you are good enough to be chosen as one of the players of the junior WC you should be ready to play Currie Cup and not off Super rugby.James oConnor played a Super rugby game at 17,Pollard played Currie Cup at 19 and Super Rugby at 20 ,Frans Steyn and JPP Won world Cups at 21.
    That England under 20 team that won the junior World Cup could hold its own in our Currie Cup.
    Bosch is good enough to step up,and he’s a lot bigger than Kolbe.

  • Comment 76, posted at 28.06.16 09:08:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : Like i said before, what are we going to do next year? He needs game time, even if its not the full match. Let him experience Srugby. We have nothing to lose. My point being is, if we don’t expose him to higher levels then other unions will most likely snap him up and promise him game time. I don’t know him personally so I cannot comment on his personal decisions, but I can tell you if other unions promise someone game time and he cannot get it here he will leave.

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.06.16 09:11:41 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : Exactly

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.06.16 09:12:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 66) : injured

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.06.16 09:13:07 by revolverocelot Reply

  • Bosch 1.8 metres 80 kgs.
    Gio Aplon 1.78 metres,75 kgs.

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.06.16 09:24:45 by The hound Reply
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  • Garth April 1’78 metres,80 kgs and he almost made the Bok team.
    C’mon Bosch is on R350,000 a year plus a car,time to step up to the plate.

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.06.16 09:29:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : Age is not the factor his conditioning is. He cried off after taking a bump playing varsity cup and didnt see him for weeks. His tackling is basically non existent as is his competing in the air physically. Your two heroes the DupReez twins were monsters but they were eased into it. Bosch is talented no doubt about it…but is he physically conditioned to play against adults- no. So by all means let him play and boost his ego…but dont weep went he gets bent like a twig.

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.06.16 10:00:57 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 77) : As ive said if we basing all our hope on a 19yr old that hasnt played against any adults yet that is a bit concerning. I can almost guarantee that the moment Bosch takes the field the first move by the opposing flyhalf will be an up and under…and even if he catches it and runs it back i hope he scores because if he gets hit in a tackle he will be out like he was at varsity cup.

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.06.16 10:03:27 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : He was one of the players of the under20 World Cup played last week .

  • Comment 84, posted at 28.06.16 10:11:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : Im not doubting or disagreeing that he is a good player…well a good player going forward as his defense is non existent. However, how many of those players play senior rugby? Very very few of them. Its not about age but conditioning. On pure ability Bosch can definitely play no doubt…but the risk of injury is certainly high, you cannot argue that. And at that age a serious injury could massively affect his career. Playing him after a big workload at the u20 champs is not good player management. Let him play u21 cc and ease him onto the senior bench then if must be.

  • Comment 85, posted at 28.06.16 10:16:44 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : your points are valid.there is no need to rush him into a game vs lions in jhb.but think 20-25mins off the bench vs cheetahs and/or sunwolves in dbn should be looked at.those should be fast-paced games with perhaps less of the physical intensity in the tackles, for the cc season,would like to see fair bit of time set aside for need to play him now at 75-80kg when the sharks can unleash him at 90kg with proper conditioning that has not impacted his speed and stepping too much,”grow into the weight gain”.get the player more muscular whilst trying to increase explosive power and work on tackling technique.

  • Comment 86, posted at 28.06.16 10:43:32 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 73) :

    But then Ive seen a number of cards awarded this year for events where those guidelines call for a penalty only..

    Perhaps there was a revision since?

  • Comment 87, posted at 28.06.16 12:59:51 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 87) : There definitely needs to be some investigation/revision into the laws around players in the air. Take the SA u20 captain being banned- if the Eng guy hadnt jumped (and he didnt need to) then it would have just been a solid tackle. But because he jumped it then entered a different category. Just now players will be jumping into tackles as they know opposition will be scared to tackle for fear of a card etc.

  • Comment 88, posted at 28.06.16 13:20:55 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) :


    Players never used to jump this high or this much.

    The current laws incentivise dangerous behavior.

  • Comment 89, posted at 28.06.16 14:27:28 by fyndraai Reply
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  • I see the Sharks have lost the Namibian Uanivi to Glasgow. Guess he never made the grade here. With Giant out injured our plentiful lock stocks dont look as plentiful anymore

  • Comment 90, posted at 28.06.16 14:51:30 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : I was looking fwd to see uanivi play sr for the sharks.can also play 7-flank.

  • Comment 91, posted at 28.06.16 15:32:41 by 50shadesofshark Reply

  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 91) : Yeh well that ship has sailed. Sharks locks are now Lewies, Botha, Oosthuizen, Andrews, McDuling

  • Comment 92, posted at 28.06.16 15:38:45 by SheldonK Reply


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