Lest we forget

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 11 Jul 2016 at 06:33
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The Sharks, having beaten the Cheetahs at the weekend, are now poised for quarter-final qualification in this year’s Super Rugby series, with just a win over the Sunwolves this weekend standing between them and a spot in the last 8 as the African conference wildcard entry.

While it’s true to say that the last two weeks’ performances have hardly been the stuff of fairy tales, I’m battling to understand the doom and gloom and rather nasty tone surrounding what has been written about the team of late. I get the feeling that the all-too-familiar and pernicious “gleeful Sharks bashing” of the mainstream media is in full force once more. but I wonder if some key facts aren’t being overlooked here.

It’s strange to me that, in some quarters, talk is that the Sharks in some way “don’t deserve” to make the knockout round or that their probable qualification is the result of the skewed competition structure this year. That, to me, cuts both ways though and those who seek to denigrate the Sharks for what they’ve achieved (or are about to achieve) in 2016 would do well to cast an eye over the fixture list and remind themselves just how heavily the odds were stacked against Gary Gold and his team.

Let’s not forget that the Stormers, for instance, who only have one win more than the Sharks do, have played no New Zealand sides at all on their journey to the quarter finals; moreover, their Antipodean “tour” consisted of just two weeks in Australia, playing two of the weakest sides in that conference. The Bulls had a slightly tougher schedule, but also haven’t faced four of the top eight teams. The Lions have had a fantastic season – one that is significant given that they did have to face the rampant Kiwi’s – but remember that they too had a simpler schedule that encompassed only two games in New Zealand.

Not a one of the other qualifying sides was expected to play three games on three continents in 15 days either.

In fact, when we look at the likely top eight, we see that the Sharks have already recorded victories over three of the other seven and they have not played the Brumbies at all. That’s not at all bad for a team that finished in the bottom half of last year’s competition and has lost the likes of Willem Alberts, Frans Steyn, the du Plessis brothers and countless other star players in between.

I say well done, Sharks and keep going. There may be a surprise in store yet.


  • Still need to beat the Sunwolves. We’ve lost easier games in the past.

    But I do agree. We did achieve a lot more than anyone, including us the Sharks supporters, thought. We had the toughest schedule since start of SR. Whatever happens after we qualify is a bonus. I dont expect us to get to the final as that road is perhaps just one or 2 hills to steap. Padt 2 weeks injuries just to much. But well done to the boys. A team like the Bulls had very easy SR and it would be sad if they qualify. And perhaps that kick by Joe is showing to be very significant. As we would have qualified already if it did go over.

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.07.16 06:54:27 by ebenp Reply
  • @ebenp (Comment 1) : Padt…. Last*

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.07.16 06:55:34 by ebenp Reply
  • Bru…Portugal just showed that any team can win coming from the Wildcard side and everyone said the same……France had painted busses with their victory before the final and now …badabingbadaboom!

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.07.16 07:10:43 by Sharkfinn Reply
  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 3) : Rugby is different to soccer… When we had a very settled and good side we also has mission impossible and we almost made it. So it is possible. Just think there are just to many good kiwi sides. But hey, wont we all love it if we van pull it off.. Bragging rights for years to come.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.07.16 07:21:45 by ebenp Reply
  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 3) : the Highlanders did it last year from a WC position, albeit their traveling schedule for then was easier but nothing is impossible

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.07.16 07:46:30 by Henkb Reply
  • That we came this far in spite of the stupid SR format and missing Marcell and Pat for most of the season is job well done in my books.

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.07.16 08:02:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The Sharks have somehow managed to get themselves on the right end of the scoreboard to put them in this position and im really really hoping/wishing/praying that we see some fire from the team against the Sunwolves. I must admit that im not enjoying the rugby produced by the Sharks though. It is far too individualistic…we rely on a individual to create something magical or we dont look like scoring. We hardly pass the ball- even my wife identified how to shut down the Sharks attack after watching 10min. The number of stupid penalties we give away is alarming…if i were coach these players would be fined heavily for those penalties. So where to from here…well as a start that 2nd half front row needs to start. Keegan Daniel needs to captain. The Players need to be reminded that catching and passing is a fundamental concept of the game- so pass the bloody ball. Do not give away a thousand silly penalties and try not to create a ruck every 5seconds! Then lastly- grow some balls and get off the defensive line and smash people back…or at least try to.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.07.16 08:05:48 by SheldonK Reply

  • At the beginning of the season, with the player losses, injuries and ridiculous travel schedule I think most of us thought a wild card entry would have been a fantastic achievement. Unfortunately the 2 losses to the Lions has soured the season a bit but still feel extremely proud of what the boys have achieve so far but there is one last hurdle we need to get over before I decide whether the season has been a good one or not.

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.07.16 08:12:49 by Hulk Reply

  • Our forwards need to become a unit – the scrum needs to gel (although I expect Ox to get heavily penalised next week for scrumming in and up).

    We need things to click, I don’t care if we scrape through past the Sunwolves….come the play-offs, our boys need to be a unit.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.07.16 08:23:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : And with Gary Gold as head coach its closer to being a miracle

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.07.16 08:24:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : Team play and cohesion is a big concern. Iceland and Portugal upset much more fancied oponents based on this key factor. The 2012 run also had oodles of this…

    As nice a guy Beast is and the promise from the pre season, he could use a rest and let The Tank start with KD as captain. Beast is not guiding the team nor managing the ref well unfortunately. I would also rest AE as he so key to the Sharks, for the Wolves.

    Smith got a reality check but I still think has a lot to offer so dont rush anyone for the Wolves game. Maybe also give JL Dup a rest

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.07.16 08:30:26 by Kabouter Reply

  • Easy for people to say skewed competition but did they have to cope with the sharks schedule and opponent list? Quick to forget that many other teams had an easy first phase against soft opponents with little or no long distance travels and risking many early on injuries due to fatigue.

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.07.16 08:31:50 by coolfusion Reply

  • Besides all of that. There aren’t any SA teams at the moment that look capable of playing the standard of rugby the new Zealanders are playing. So the race is only to the quaternary finals for SA and maybe one team makes it due to nz and aus eliminating each other and the luck of the draw. But that is it. Sorry to say.

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.07.16 08:35:34 by coolfusion Reply

  • Thanks Rob! This needed to be said and hats off sir, you said it best. Many people, including (sadly) a LOT of Sharks supporters, are seemingly just aching for any moment to pounce and spew vitriol.
    I for one am damn proud of our team. No, we are not yet where we want to be. No we are not playing as a champion side (yet!). BUT, there is improvement, and as soon as the team start to click and we gel I bet the cat will truly be loose among the pigeons.
    Keep at it Sharks! We are behind you all the way!

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.07.16 08:42:59 by Another Nick Reply

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  • You can add to this is that the Sharks have done way better than any other SA team against NZ opposition, even the Lions got mauled by them, the Sharks games have all been dan close games.

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.07.16 08:50:55 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Lets be honest End of 2015 most sharks supporters realised that the team needed to be rebuilt (that took the Lions 15 Years to do)… Then we had the evil draw of NZ and a span of traveling and again the odds seemed stacked against the guys in black and white… then we had wicked injuries at what seemed to be the most inopportune times (we still are to be honest)… but with all this the guys have basically made it to the quarter final of the super rugby (unless the bulls beat the cheetahs and then the sun wolves beat us).

    The guys have done more then deliver on there part of the deal this season (sure there is room for improvement but that can be reached later)… now its our chance as supporters to come to the party and back them, Don’t get me wrong we are currently looking at a lions Quarter final which means only 2 SA sides in the semi finals…and the chance of us being a bit o a long shot but I am a lot happier with that result when being compared to 15 years of winning the wooden spoon and only now coming off with a chance.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.07.16 08:52:57 by Warren Harvey Reply

  • The team id like to see vs the Sunwolves: 1. DuToit 2. Chilliboy 3. Adriaanse 4. Botha 5. Lewies 6. Van Der Walt 7. Mthembu 8. Daniel 9. Ungerer 10. April 11. Mvovo 12. Esterhuizen 13. JPP 14. Sithole 15. Smith. Bench: Beast, Marias, Coenie, Oosthuizen, DuPreez, Claasens, Williams, Bosch (surely he wont get injured vs lil Japs)

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.07.16 09:10:52 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : 100%. With KD given the captaincy.

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.07.16 09:50:35 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Gary Gold should come get his gameplan at Sharksworld !! and teamsheet another terrible performance as I said during the week we will win but not by much , I am not to sure about Rhyno Smith yes he is still new and all that but I get the feeling not up to SR maybe to early to judge

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.07.16 10:00:38 by John Reply

  • @Another Nick (Comment 18) : That was my thinking yes. I also put JL DuPreez and Oosthuizen on the benc to give them a slight break but also give Botha and Mthembu a chance to push their starting spot credentials.

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.07.16 10:02:39 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : Correct. With KD, Tera and the Ginger there you have a very mobile pack.
    OT, but will we have Pat back for the playoffs?

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.07.16 10:11:26 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 21) : With Pat i think its a day by day, week by week thing. So its anybodys guess. If he is cleared this week he wouldnt have played or trained in a month so not sure if it would be wise to play him.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.07.16 10:27:25 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : Agreed. If cleared the he should rather be eased back from the bench. Start him against the lions then in 2 weeks time.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.07.16 10:32:15 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 16) : The Lions have not been building for 15 years . we are in the 4th year of the time building . The previous 15 was spent f*cking around .

    I believe the one thing that makes the Lions strong is that the same core players have been together for 3 seasons now . Get that right with the sharks and you will be back on the winning path

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.07.16 11:21:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) : Agreed, consistency is key. Im interested to see how the Lions will fare in the CC without the likes of Mostert, Whiteley, Kriel, Tecklenberg, Jantjies, Mapoe. Yes there are other guys that have been played but that is a lot of the main core group that will be missing.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.07.16 11:28:14 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Whiteley Tecklenberg, Jantjies, Mapoe dint play CC last year . Kriel was out injured for a big part . Mostert will be a miss but i believe our younger locks will come through

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.07.16 11:34:01 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 26) : I know those guys didnt but Kriel played a huge part, as did Mostert and Boschoff. They all gone. Im not saying there arent replacements and even pretty good ones. Its just an exit of a large part of their leadership group from this year. I think it will be felt…may be wrong but will see i guess. Although if other unions are poor then suppose the loss is negligible

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.07.16 11:46:35 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : if anybody can get the best out of a group of players it will be Ackerman

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.07.16 11:59:27 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 28) : I think they other Unions being pretty sub standard will allow the Lions some leeway and ability to even be off their game a bit and still grab a win

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.07.16 12:04:06 by SheldonK Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : Very much agreed…

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.07.16 12:22:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 26) : I think Lood made a huge mistake signing with the Bulls instead of the Lions. The coaching cant be compared

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.07.16 12:24:34 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 31) : Its only a 1 year deal before he heads overseas- he is chasing money not coaching

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.07.16 12:25:59 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 31) : Lions can rather use the 3.6 mil to try and keep Mostert

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.07.16 12:32:35 by Zibbie Reply
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  • The season in perspective:
    – 4 Away wins
    – 3 Away losses within 5 points
    – 1 away draw

    A bit more experience in this team and that could easily have been 8 away wins and that is massive!

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.07.16 12:40:59 by byron Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : Think he’s trying to get as far away from Etzebeth as possible…. 😈

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.07.16 12:43:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 33) : Isnt it a done deal that he is gone already? Lourens Erasmus and Andries Ferreira will do well. Not sure who is next after them?

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.07.16 12:43:55 by SheldonK Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 35) : Do you think Lood’s best form is behind him and his Bok days possibly numbered? Considering the rise of guys like Lewies, RG Snyman etc

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.07.16 12:46:22 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : from what i read is that the Lions are trying to buy him out of the Contract .

    Will have to see if that actually happens . but im sure it will cost a boat load of money to achieve this . think he will leave . but wont be able to say the Lions did not try .

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.07.16 12:48:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : In my view, he only ever had a good season last year….we’ve got talented locks coming through in their droves, Lood should take the money and run – his days are definitely numbered.

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.07.16 12:51:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 38) : Ya buying him out will prob cost a lot of moola so tough to justify. Especially with the Lions policy of backing their structures and guys coming through.

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.07.16 12:56:35 by SheldonK Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 39) : That is my feeling as well.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.07.16 12:57:29 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Zibbie (Comment 38) : Well if the they host full-house quarters, semis and finals and go on to lift the cup, there will suddenly be a bit of cash lying around plus the sponsors will be lining up.

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.07.16 13:09:40 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : wont mind getting jd schickerling as you suggested in one of your other posts . Also the Bulls locks will be worth a look at , since Lood is going to block one of them

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.07.16 13:09:43 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 43) : Schickerling looks a very good prospect and i think WP will want to hang onto him…which will be tough as he wont get a Bok look in without game time. Same can be said of the Bulls youngsters with Lood now going there- think Jenkins could be odd man out there. I think Mostert going overseas could mean his Bok chances are now gone though.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.07.16 13:18:21 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : Still hope we throw the kitchen sink at retaining Mostert first

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.07.16 13:40:18 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Very Motivational.

    Got a Quick Question though:
    This ” Wild Card ” entry we`ve ( almost ) got now, It doesn`t mean we have to face the Lions at `Ellispark does it?

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.07.16 13:41:52 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 46) : That is exactly what it means. But hey, 3rd time lucky I suppose (hope!)

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.07.16 13:44:49 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : Martin Muller is still around and Bobbie de Wee has been playing in the Currie Cup side as well as MB Lusaseni. Not sure what happened to JP du Preez, he started a game early June and hasn’t been in the team since (injured?)

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.07.16 13:47:38 by Baylion Reply

  • @Another Nick (Comment 47) : 3rd time lucky? Shit, I would almost feel guilty. Almost.

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.07.16 13:50:01 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 49) : Brings the 2013 CC win to mind or the 2012 loss.

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.07.16 13:53:55 by Hulk Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 48) : Muller and Lusaseni are adequate cover but hardly world beaters…and think thats where the Lions have benefited from having a real quality lock like Mostert to secure lineout ball etc.

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.07.16 13:54:59 by SheldonK Reply

  • I’m inclined to agree with this write up of Robs as its based around facts

    there are a few issues we need to raise

    Lets start with Counie, his scrumming hasn’t been completely crap this year, although having watched all our games id say his getting schooled 60 percent of the time his packing down, which is horrible. If that had been Dale chadwick most of us here would have signed a petition to get the sharks to release him (dale has done reasonably well this year, hope to see him push on in the cc, but I think we’l probably lose him to europe soon,although we do have decent back up at loose head). I never played prop (played lock at school) so I wont no for certain if counie was scrumming in or Ox nche was forcing him to scrum in, from what it look like ox was schooling him. when the bulls signed trevor a season before we signed counie i was so sad as i really wanted us to sign trevor, he an scrum well on both sides.

    now on to beast,I love the guy and will always be a big fan,I can remember when I saw him in person the first time I thought this guy is a monster, his that big a oke. But he shouldn’t be captain, what is it with our captains arm band that half the time the guy wearing it falls apart in some way, Frans lost form, Bissie lost his mind multiple times and got suspended for harsh play and losing his temper. Lambie keeps getting injured, the best captains we had were smit, botes, muller (my favourite) and tera did a good job as cc captain a few seasons ago. lambie comes back make him captain. or keagan or classens

    we stand a way better chance of beating the lions in jozi that the chiefs in hamilton so hopefully that’s the game we get. not that it will be easy, but if we get lambie and willie back, we can do it

    Andre the giant may not the the best inside centre we’ve ever had but we are certainly using him effectively, on defense definitely, on attack we could mix it up a bit more when we pass the ball to him,hit the space some more, not always the man. we will miss paul jordan,especially on defense,but we have sithole and Mjekevu so we should be fine on attach and eventually they will also be as good as him on defense once that have a few more games under their belt

    Lastly: Im not one to judge players on size (I think aplon and kolbie are good players, and both defend well dispite there small stature) but as of yet I’m not sold on Ryno smith as i’ve stated here before, but I’l give him a chance. Im just not sure why we’re not playing Eksteen instead, so after willie and Joe, smith is the next fb option. I would have kept Enrico Isaacs rather or jaco van tonder, I see Gouws Prinsloo left griquas for france, remember him ?

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.07.16 14:01:25 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 52) : Good read,can’t help thinking that if we kept Riaan Viljoen how good he would have been for us right at this moment.

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.07.16 14:42:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 53) : Personally i would have loved to keep Ludick. But yeh Viljoen will be a thorn in the side of the Sharks this weekend.

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.07.16 14:50:29 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : And what a thorn he has been in our side while wearing a Griqua jersey.

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.07.16 15:03:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Good article Rob. We are certainly in a better position than I expected at the beginning of the season.

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.07.16 15:06:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : Geez dont bring back those memories. There was a 60m run through for a try if memory is correct

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.07.16 15:13:31 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 56) : Indeed. Id say we are probably the 2nd best SA side in this comp considering our points and opposition etc.

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.07.16 15:16:31 by SheldonK Reply

  • Great article Rob.

    It’s been talky annoying and confusing to see ask the negativity about the sharks considering our draw, what has happened for the last 3 seasons and the injury plague.

    I expect no less from the pathetic excuse for rugby media we have in this country (even Cant-Think Tank Lanning is given journalistic credence) but even Sharks fans seem ever-eager to gleefully take pot shots at the team. I guess some live more vicariously than others.

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.07.16 15:29:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : I think a lot of the negativity comes from actually watching the game as the rugby played by the Sharks really isnt good. So think that image and feeling overshadows the actual result. I know it does for me so i try to refrain from commenting until the next day or so.

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.07.16 15:37:38 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : Hear, hear…

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.07.16 15:54:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : look to a large degree i see your point especially on Shit for brains Lanning,but a lot of the negativity going the Sharks way is there own doing.To sit back and think that all is right at the union you must be a bit of a moron yourself.
    Things are not right,the CEO resigns half way thru the season to spend more time with his pre school kids.The bulk of the squad are injured after a 5 week break,we have a tight head on the field who can’t scrum,and one on the bench who can,and on and on.I personally reserve the right to disagree vehemently with shit when I see it,I have earned the right to do so,and pay my season ticket fees year in and year out.

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.07.16 16:05:58 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : What would forums like this be if everyone was ecstatically happy we could all build a fire and the pastor could lead us in choruses of kumbhaya,

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.07.16 16:11:14 by The hound Reply
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  • I just have a very funny feeling that we are going to beat the Lions and Ellis Park and then take a hiding in NZ

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.07.16 16:33:43 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 63) : Because that is what pastors do? That was a shit comment…
    I absolutely see your points in your first comment, but the second was a bit unnecessary?
    I don’t think Big Fish was asking everyone to be ecstatically happy, just a bit more balanced than rabidly negative…

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.07.16 16:41:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) :
    You don’t earn the right by having a season ticket – it is yours to take with no qualification. That goes for everyone.

    I agree with your comments on the macro issues and to a large degree on the team selections. But that’s not what we are talking about – we are talking about the fact that some people struggle to see that in spite of those (perhaps self-imposed) issues and a whole host of others for which they are not culpable, the Sharks have done very well to even get to this position.

    And regarding the injuries, unlike the Plumtree days when you could guarantee that the likes of Alberts, Bismark and Deysel would be injured because our entire offensive gameplan consisted of them winning yard by bloody yard, I do not see that the coaching team’s man management has materially contributed to our injury scourge.

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.07.16 16:51:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 63) :
    Despite your somewhat monochromatic view of the world you do come across as a reasonably intelligent poster.

    Post what you will, as is your right, but be aware that gross oversimplification like this adds nothing to any debate as they do not relate to any position taken here.

    They are simply a refuge for anyone unwilling or unable to unpack complexity and belong with demagogues and simpletons.

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.07.16 16:56:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 66) : I agree with this comment. There is much at the Sharks that can be validly critiqued…we have done a lot of that for the last three years. There is a lot about the new Super Rugby setup that can be validly critiqued…and we have certainly done that this season. And despite all of that, we have achieved (almost) a knock out spot that very few picked. Almost everyone and his dog picked the Bulls above the Sharks as a playoff contender. Against all odds the Sharks will be there at the business end and I just feel those involved deserve real credit for that…

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.07.16 16:59:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sharks first get a penalty to make it 24-17…and then score a good try to lead 29-17…well done boys…

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.07.16 17:00:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : Look I am not going to get into a slanging match with you,I do think I have the right to comment here and normally I think about what I post.If you feel differently tough shit because I am not here to please you or sing Khumbaya with the pastor.
    Now can you point out exactly what it is that you deem unreasonable in what I have posted and why.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.07.16 17:08:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : I think I would prefer an intelligent conversation with you to singing Khumbaya around the fire…not that I mind singing around the fire – I really enjoy that – my taste in music is just very different to the one hound has monochromatically assigned to all pastors… πŸ˜€

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.07.16 17:20:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 70) :
    There you go off about rights again… Let’s lay this insecurity to rest – nobody is trying to deny you any rights – including the right to post whatever drivel tickles your fancy.

    But the same right that confers this little pleasure to you means that nobody has to treat crud as pearls. I trust that is clear enough.

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.07.16 17:20:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Is it pensioners day already? Thought it was reserved for Wednesdays…:twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.07.16 17:23:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 72) : Reminds me of Donkey in Shrek2: “nobody told me I have the right to remain silent”…then Shrek finally says: “Donkey, you have the right to remain silent” and then something about his inability to remain silent. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.07.16 17:29:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @pastorshark (Comment 71) :
    I’m not actually trying to pick a fight with any individual here – my comments are general to the site.

    However, let’s just say that you are much likelier to find an intelligent conversation around a fire than here usually – even if we are talking about that iconoclastic fire that destroyed the great library of Alexandria.

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.07.16 17:32:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) :
    The first 2 Shrek movies were littered with little witticisms. I still enjoy the first movie with all its penis jokes and especially the Gingerbread Man torture scene.

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.07.16 17:34:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 76) : Rewatched the first two last week….top quality animations – enjoyed Zootopia and Inside Out a fair bit too, after somewhat of a drought in quality animations.

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.07.16 17:44:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Hound, call a spade a spade….. I like. Always appreciate your comments because it’s heart on sleeve stuff. Rosey it is not at all at the Sharks……

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.07.16 18:36:52 by Lieplapper Reply

  • Well said Rob!!! But I must admit it’s easy to forget all these facts and to just want the Sharks to be on top of the log at all times!!!

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.07.16 18:49:26 by JD Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) : Zibbie what is the real deal between the Lions and Emirates,is there money for the Lions?

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.07.16 19:15:22 by benji Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 64) : I have the same feeling and I feel that even if we don’t win, we are going to give them everything we have to offer. I feel they owe us a good display of rugby against the Lions seeing that we were particularly horrible against them in both games this season. All we can do now is wait and see if that will be the case.

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.07.16 19:29:17 by Quintin Reply

  • @benji (Comment 80) : They are name sponsors as well name sponsors of Ellis Park, which belong to the Lions, for 5 years. I can’t remember that any amounts have ever been made public but they won’t get it for nothing

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.07.16 20:29:08 by Baylion Reply

  • For me there was no hope for the team this season, but since Robert Du Preez started at the Sharks it did start to look better.
    When he takes over I think the Sharks will be a different team……Let us hope we can go even further this season.

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.07.16 22:58:09 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 73) : On the up side. April has clawed back some confidence. If we have Lambie ready we should bench him and give April the relatively easy game to get some more confidence while Lambie does 15-20 minutes to get back into things.

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.07.16 06:43:48 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Honey Badger (Comment 83) : I would tend to disagree with that statement. Im yet to see any positive influence from Rob Du Preez. The backline moves, skills and understanding do not look any better than they have in previous years. It is all just individualistic. Perhaps he can have more influence during the CC…

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.07.16 07:44:01 by SheldonK Reply

  • Hoo Boy, seems we are soon going to have to undergo an IQ test before we can post on here. Should be fun.

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.07.16 10:25:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 80) : think we have more money than the kings but less than the bulls πŸ˜€

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.07.16 10:27:08 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 86) : :mrgreen: comment of the day for me there

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.07.16 11:19:33 by Henkb Reply
  • If the Sharks manage to beat the Sunwolves, we will most likely travel for the quarters, with the Lions basically throwing their game in Arg.

    So we could face any of the Chiefs, Crusaders or Highlanders for the quarter final….ouch.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.07.16 12:00:35 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 89) : To be honest i think i back us to go over to NZ for a once off and pull a rabbit out the hat more than i do with a trip up the N3 to Jhb

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.07.16 12:09:56 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : The only way we would beat NZ franchise is if we play conservative forward domenenated/kicking rugby .I know it’s a negative way to play but it’s the only way to beat NZ teams .Look at when the Canes came over to Africa.The Lions played their expansive fast paced game at Elis park and got smashed by 40 points.Then when they (the canes)came to Durban we beat them by playing old school SA rugby.Sometimes it helps to play conservative rugby against top teams with good defense(when a team has good defense and close down space the only way to go is to go straight and hard) it sucks watching that type of rugby though ,but if we want to beat a AB franchise in the playoffs we have to play that way.If the Lions manage to win the championship playing their style then I’m wrong and no other SA team should ever play conservative rugby.

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.07.16 12:26:13 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : We tend to play as a unit against NZ teams, they bring the best our of the Sharks.

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.07.16 12:28:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 91) : Its not about conservative rugby. Its about identifying which of your strengths can be used to beat the opposition. So the Chiefs are good at running rugby- so why on earth try beat them at it. Use another tactic. It is also about variety and not always only kicking and defending and not always just running the ball. There is an interesting article on rugby365 where John Connolly talks about Aussie sides being too predictable as they are overly obsessed with running rugby and offer no variety and no good kicking option. Irrespective which game plan is chosen the fact remains that if your tight forwards dont win the set pieces and rucks then you will struggle.

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.07.16 12:38:02 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : Would be interesting to see the pack Gold would pick in the Playoffs.

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.07.16 12:43:57 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 94) : He is fairly conservative so i wouldnt expect too many surprises. So basically Beast, Chilliboy, Adriaanse, Oosthuizen, Lewies, Daniel, DuPreez, Van Der Walt with Bench: DuToit, Marais, Coenie, Botha, Mthembu/DuPreez

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.07.16 12:47:30 by SheldonK Reply

  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 91) : @SheldonK (Comment 93) : Absolutely. You can’t try and beat the NZ sides at their own game. Ask the Lions.. they learned the hard way. And as you said, yes, it may not be attractive rugby.. but I would rather take a win playing ugly than going all out champagne rugby and getting moered by 50+

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.07.16 12:49:01 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : Also expect that side

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.07.16 12:52:05 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • I was under the impression that that sponsorship came along with the huge cash and hence why the problem to lay out a bit of cash for players if needed

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.07.16 13:47:03 by benji Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 87) : so not sure then why the deal

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.07.16 13:48:01 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 98) : The Emirates sponsorship covers the stadium running costs etc. which is huge cash. If Unions want big cash to splash on players then they need to give away ownership rights, cant have best of both worlds.

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.07.16 14:03:19 by SheldonK Reply

  • @benji (Comment 98) : The unions decide how to spend their cash. The Lions decided, especially given how well it has worked for them up to now, not to spend fortunes on marquee players but rather plow back into their own structures and develop as much as possible through their youth structures. To spend R3.6m on a player like Lood de Jager would be a waste if one can keep someone like Lourens Erasmus and develop him for a fraction of that

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.07.16 14:53:34 by Baylion Reply

  • I see Lambie is still not ready. Cutting it close for the quarter finals

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.07.16 14:57:14 by Baylion Reply

  • Discuss among yourselves:

    Rapport recently revealed that SuperSport had 3.8-million fewer viewers for the tournament (Super Rugby) in 2016 than in 2012. Newlands (52%) is the only local venue to be more than half full this season (with an average crowd of 26,992), followed by Kings Park (45%, 23,591), Loftus Versfeld (35%, 17,921), Ellis Park (32%, 19,808), Free State Stadium (17%, 7,780) and Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium (15%, 6,914).

    According to Rapport, SA Rugby is expected to ask for more local derbies and for all of its teams to play against New Zealand sides. Under the current format, the South African teams in the Africa 1 conference play Australian and not New Zealand sides.

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.07.16 15:18:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) :
    Good points

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.07.16 15:21:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 103) : Perhaps they need to realise that rugby as a product is not the exciting and limited product that it used to be. That together with a waning economy results in choices having to be made. Reduce the number of games so each game is ‘special’. Blackout the game in the area it is played. And make the local stadium a safe and enjoyable place and watch the numbers turn…provided the economy doesnt fall further.

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.07.16 15:27:08 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 104) : Was all that not just common knowledge? I would have thought so…

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.07.16 15:27:56 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 72) : You know you are a seriously self opinionated man,trouble with that is that you presume every one else automatically shares your self inflated opinion.
    You remind me of Basil Fawlty’s wife especially in the episode where he says he is going to put her on Mastermind and her subject will be the Master of the Bleeding Obvious.
    Don’t take yourself so seriously this is a fucken rugby site not the house of commons and you definitely are not Jeremy Corbin.

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.07.16 17:16:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) :
    I don’t think so. I think human nature is to stick to what works – even if the conditions in which they worked have changed. Remember HM saying that he didn’t believe in a Plan B – but that focus should be on executing Plan A better?

    I think it links back to your earlier comment about the less than stellar quality of Sharks rugby detracting from the satisfaction of the wins.

    Right now we don’t have much variety in how we play and we do rely on indidual brilliance to exploit opportunities created by pressure. But personally I think it makes sense to get the squad comfortable with that fundamental kind of rugby before trying to vary our play – because of youth and new combinations mainly. But I wouldn’t be so happy if we don’t move beyond that next season (my main gripe with White’s Boks was that they did the basics very well and then stopped eveolving).

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.07.16 18:22:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 107) :
    Sigh. I suppose I should consider myself scathed? πŸ™„

    Clearly your ability to follow a line of reasoning is akin to a kitten playing with a ball of wool so I won’t subject anyone to that frivolous exercise. I’ll just note the following:
    – the irony in you passionately tilting at windmills to defend your right to an opinion (again, one that was never threatened) and then going on about me being opinionated and presumptuous (as divined by which learned, humble personage? Why by you of course!)
    – I point out your penchant for making convenient caricatures of people or positions you disagree with and what do you do – leap with quivering, liver-spotted hands to wear both the red beret and the dunce cap of the demagogue and simpleton at once by your uninspired metaphor above.

    Rather stick to posting about rugby – you are at least a little less boring then.

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.07.16 20:57:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • A bit off topic based on last set of rants…..I see Plum making comments about superior conditioning and structures in NZ as to reason why their country with so much less players, dominating and having 4 SR teams in playoffs.

    We really need GG to be a DOR so looking with keen interest at what is going to happen post SR. 2016 results wise, is a massive step up from 2015 with arguably a lessar squad. But if it is a true building year it must be a launch pad and not only for the SR team but wider structures and pipeline.

    The Bulls partnership with Boland is concerning as it gives access to the biggest player pool in country. Any news on the Sharks & Leopards agreement, if any?

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.07.16 05:19:09 by Kabouter Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : They should go and see how the American baseball leagues revived the support for baseball and follow suit.

  • Comment 111, posted at 13.07.16 06:47:21 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 111) : Yeh look the Americans are a special breed but they sure as hell know how to put on a sporting exhibition that draws in the crowds both in the stadiums and on tv.

  • Comment 112, posted at 13.07.16 07:44:36 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 108) : I would disagree with your 2 points. Firstly Plan B doesnt need to be the polar opposite to Plan A, it may just mean a slight tweak here and there and a different angle of approach…but there certainly must be a Plan B…HM was just talking bullsh*t (dont take every word as the golden truth from a press conference). The in terms of being happy the Sharks rely only on individual magic-that is a massive concern for me. Individual brilliance within good team play is what you want…but with no teamplay you dont have a team, you have every man for himself…and thats perhaps 1 thing that has the fans very negative. I do agree that the Sharks need to build on from the few good things of this season…going back to the start again would be very bad.

  • Comment 113, posted at 13.07.16 07:49:55 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 109) : You are such a pompous p xxxxx fill it in yourself because you have so much more of a highly developed self image than us mere mortals and you spend so much of your time gazing into the mirror.

  • Comment 114, posted at 13.07.16 08:36:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : RdP’s sides are always characterized by strong team play and the unit achieving more than the sum of the parts. The CC will be the indication of how he can step up to the next level.

    I think the Canes game was probably the only one where the guys played as unit

  • Comment 115, posted at 13.07.16 08:59:34 by Kabouter Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) :
    Think we are missing each other here.

    I never said that Plan A and B need to be polar opposites. They will obviously be materially different, but the degree to which they differ need not be massive.

    I also am not happy that we are dependent on opportunistic scores to such a high degree. What I stated was that at this stage of the team’s development I can live with it, and hopefully we will start to see more cohesive team play in the CC and thereafter.

  • Comment 116, posted at 13.07.16 09:09:01 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 115) : I would agree. I have been a bit underwhelmed by RDP’s influence during super rugby but ill give him the benefit of him still finding his feet and learning about the players and rugby at this level. So yes hoping to see a lot better teamplay during the CC.

  • Comment 117, posted at 13.07.16 09:11:27 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 116) : Ok thats fair enough…we back on the same chapter πŸ™‚

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.07.16 09:12:11 by SheldonK Reply


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