One awful game doth not a season make

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 25 Jul 2016 at 09:25
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You guys know that I occasionally can’t resist quoting song lyrics in these posts, right? How about a little Rod Stewart today? It goes “I don’t wanna talk about it – how you broke my heart…”

Yes, I am, of course, referring to the utterly atrocious non-performance we witnessed in Wellington at the weekend, with the Sharks showing once again that heading over to New Zealand for a play-off game simply isn’t a proven way to win this tournament. No non-Kiwi team in history has ever won a Super Rugby knock-out in the land of the long white cloud, after all and Saturday’s 41-0 disaster was just the latest in a long line of New Zealand play-off failures for our team.

The lesson here is clear; do better during the regular season and you won’t have to be in the position to take a beating like that. We can all bemoan the woeful performance – and I see many are, sadly and predictably, calling for Gary Gold’s head once more – but the reality is that the result was more or less a forgone conclusion anyway. Yes, it would have been “nicer” to lose by 5 points than by 41, but a loss is a loss and the score differential not a hugely important factor in the final analysis.

So let’s rewind to where we were a week ago. I’m not looking to make apologies here or to somehow paint this picture as better than it is, but we do need to at least revisit the fact that the Sharks qualified for the quarter finals at all, given their seemingly impossible draw. This bonkers conference system has robbed us of an opportunity to measure each team against each other, but events at Newlands on Saturday must at least give some credence to the belief that they are no better off than the Sharks are; there’s little doubt that the Lions are way ahead of the rest, but the Sharks, despite all their current failings, put in a credible enough performance (for me) over the course of the season to suggest that there is some cause for optimism.

Key, though, is to take what has been good about this campaign and use it as the foundation on which to build further. If we chuck it all away, though (by making the sort of knee-jerk changes that are being called for in the media) then we can have only ourselves to blame if next year ends up being no better.


  • I don’t have a problem with losing and I don’t think anybody realistically expected a win but damn that was utterly embarrassing and they showed zero passion. That last try conceded sums up everything I loath about the Sharks and until such time that I see a huge improvement in passion and commitment I’m done with the Sharks.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.07.16 09:35:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • At the start of the season I knew we were still very much in our ‘rebuilding phase’

    If you told me at the start of the season we’d finish top 8, beat out the Bulls for a QF spot and have a relatively good record against NZ teams I’d say sold right there. And that was before we lost the services of Lambie, Marcel and Ruan Botha for most of the season

    We didn’t always play pretty rugby, but we made it to the knockouts, saw the future of Sharks rugby blossom on the field, and taking all that into account, I’m happy to put 2016 in the success coloumn

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.07.16 09:38:46 by Die Kriek Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : I too would love to see the passion back in Black and White. But unfortunately i cant see that happening until we have a no nonsense captain that tells the players like it is and we stop making every 19yr old kid the next savior of the world- no wonder our players have big heads and small hearts.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.07.16 09:46:00 by SheldonK Reply

  • The loss to the Hurricanes is just the proverbial tip of the iceberg for Sharks rugby. The Currie Cup and U19 sides are being consistently beaten, outclassed in many cases. Gary Gold, as Director of rugby or whatever his official status for the franchise is, has offered nothing since his appointment. The rot may start with John Smit but Gold is a symptom of that decline. Ignoring that will be accepting continued failure on the rugby field.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.07.16 09:53:56 by Greg Reply

  • The key to any disappointing game or season is to move on and get better…Hopefully all our teams will move forward and not give the same next season.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.07.16 09:57:21 by Jacques Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 4) : I agree, the rot started when JS got employed.

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.07.16 10:01:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I pretty much expected a loss (and a pretty substantial one at that), but at least a spirited performance going down fighting.
    Apart from the first 15 minutes, that was the worst 65 minutes I can recall from a Sharks team. I have seen bigger margins, the infamous game against the Reds at Kings Park, teams with less skill, Sharks teams that have been even more clueless, but never ever before a Sharks team that simply could not wait to get off the field ASAP.

    @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Given the drain in experience (especially in our back line), I honestly don’t even expect much better next year. And by experience I am not talking of it in the HM sense – we have 25 year old Sharks stalwarts like Marcell Coetzee leaving for overseas.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.07.16 10:04:01 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 6) : Utter kak. The sharks were in trouble with having bvz there forever and a day. The forensic audit found some irregularities and that was dealt with. Mismanagement isn’t fixed in a day or even a year.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.07.16 10:06:40 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • For once I don’t agree with you Rob. This wasn’t the fact that we actually didn’t have a terrible season coz we did Ok. ..and made the quarters…but our ability to change tactics, our leadership, discipline and lack of depth in key positions was a fiasco…and to cap it off my disdain for GG is that it didn’t change and the way we capitulated was shocking for highly paid professionals. So sorry if I am not sharing your positiveness right now

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.07.16 10:08:31 by Sharkfinn Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : 2017 will be a tricky year- mainly in terms of the backline selection etc. The forwards pretty much remain in tact and should be a better unit next year (injuries aside). The forwards just need to add an aggressive edge to their game- at the moment we are fairly tame up front. There will be new backline players and yeh lets let them have a go and see. But if overall the fitness and conditioning levels dont change a lot i cant see the results changing either…Bulls and Stormers will both be better teams next year although they do have tougher draws.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.07.16 10:10:27 by SheldonK Reply

  • My personal disappointment stems from the fact that at half time we were 13-0 down and April had missed 9 points,we then came out for the second half and Beast scored a credible try in a very convertible position,we should have been in the lead,rephrase that to we could have been in the lead.
    Whatever we were still in the game and very competitive and then the fucken wheels fell off.
    Why?We weren’t suddenly weaker,less skilled ,unfitter .
    What we were was leaderless,and turned into 15 guys trying to avoid blame rather than15 guys united to win the game.
    We need a Warren Whitely,aJohn Smit or a Gary Teichmann on the field,what we had was a disinterested group of senior players with the attitude of its not my job mate,JPP,Willie ,Keegan,Claassens,Odwa,none of them put up there hand.As for Beast he withdrew totally into his shell and looked like he already had his sites set on his post retirement career at Whaal Bartmens security company.
    The blame for this has to rest at Gold’s door he failed the entire year to forge a team under captain that the players would follow into the gates of hell.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.07.16 10:13:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 9) : that’s ok. It would be a boring old world if we agreed all the time.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.07.16 10:16:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 11) : Hound, you have been on about this all season and the fact is, you are right.

    The Sharks need a captain more than they need anything else right now.

    But who?

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.07.16 10:19:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : Our next best is not really putting any pressure on the starting team either, and nobody knows if the Sharks have enough cash to purchase a couple of decent players. I think Teich (and the coaching team) has a really difficult job ahead of them.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.07.16 10:20:26 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Agge nee Rob.This time there is no silver lining to find anywhere. There wasn’t even any way for Gold to try and use the “caracter” cliche this time. Sharks rugby is in a very bad state, our Craven Week team was less than average, the junior teams struggle to get wins against the supposedly minnow teams, our “Currie Cup” team is utter shite and not to talk f those bunch of boys calling themselves our Super Rugby team. With Teichmann’s appointment there is obviously an air of hopeful expectancy, but he needs to seriously stop the rot. We need an urgent change in our coaching team right across the board. I do though know that it will financially cost us too much to get rid of Gold, but move him into the Director position that he was originally hired for and get a quality head coach. I don’t care if we don’t sign any new players for the next three years, but throw as much money towards getting a decent coach as is necessary

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.07.16 10:26:24 by KingRiaan Reply

  • It was painful watching us get blown away by the Canes. Claasens and April were kak again. Only JL Du Preez and Ginger showed any passion for the jersey. The conditions were bad but it was the same for both teams. 9 penalties to us and April couldn’t kick 1 over. But I agree with Rob. Overall it was a much better season.

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.07.16 10:34:38 by sudhir Reply

  • What happened to the saying, “You only as good as your last game”?

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.07.16 10:49:55 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Problem is that I do think that we do not have a production line of talent coming through……

    And we tend to “blow up” and accept mediocre players because we know there is nothing better. E.g. Jordaan, Marais,Coenie, Ettienne, Ginger, Terra, Keegan, Ungerer, Claasens, Garth, Jordaan and lately Mvovo and JP.

    Thing is that these players will struggle to make other teams. We always had great players that can turn a game, but now we accept mediocre players.

    Current team, Is there any player that will take the game by the scruff of the neck and turn it……?

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.07.16 11:00:37 by Lieplapper Reply

  • @Lieplapper (Comment 18) : By the same token most of the Lions players are not “great” players either. I would much rather have a great team.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.07.16 11:04:45 by Bokhoring Reply
  • I really hope Robert du Preez is given free reign to implement his gameplan in the Currie Cup.

    Also feel that its sometimes a case of Analysis – Paralysis.
    To muck time spend on stats and to little time on coaching and laying down the law…..from my understanding that is what RdP is all about. Even his Leopards team played attractive rugby…

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.07.16 11:05:35 by Lieplapper Reply

  • Bokhoring, I agree totally. But the foundation is good players that gets developed into great players.

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.07.16 11:07:15 by Lieplapper Reply

  • I don’t believe any player or team go out with the idea of losing. Yes, they did not adapt to the conditions as we would have liked them to, but that doesn’t mean they are less passionate. They were beaten by the best NZ team in this competition. Say well done and move on.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.07.16 11:21:10 by bokbok Reply

  • Some lovely comments from the Chiefs coach and captain:

    “Rugby can be a pretty simple game if it’s done well, and I thought we really executed the basics pretty well”

    “just doing the obvious, letting the ball beat the man”

    ““We train it and do a hell of a lot of work on our decision-making and our skill-set, which allows us to play that way.”

    “It’s a mindset. You’ve got to want to play positive footy, and with our boys, they love it and are prepared to have a crack from a 100 (metres out), play what’s in front (of them). We’ve got a pretty good balance to our game and we still kick a bit, but most of them are attacking-type kicks where we can put a bit of pressure on and win the ball back”

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.07.16 11:37:24 by Bokhoring Reply
  • So with CC literally around the corner what do we have personnel wise…
    Props: Adriaanse,Chadwick, DutToit, Coenie
    Hookers: Marais, Chilliboy
    Locks: Lewies, Oosthuizen, Botha, Andrews
    Loosies: Dan DuPreez, JL Du Preez, Daniel, Van Der Walt, Deysel, Mthembu
    Scrumhalf: Claasens, Ungerer
    Flyhalf: April, Bosch
    Centres: Esterhuizen, Am , Mjekevu, Williams , Deysel?
    Back 3: Smith, Ndungane, Sithole, Mvovo

    Assuming Beast, Lambie, LeRoux with the Boks

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.07.16 11:39:41 by SheldonK Reply

  • 2016 was an improvement to 2015 and we got a play off spot which I felt was all we could realistically expect from this year. So on that note it wasn’t a disaster of a season, but not a great one.

    The biggest concern for me, and it’s already been highlighted is our lack of Skills / attack. At the beginning of the season this was our coaching staff list:
    Gary Gold – Director of Rugby
    Ryan Strudwick – Forwards
    Robert du Preez – Skills & Attack
    Sean Everitt – Skills & Attack
    Omar Mouneimne – Defence
    I thought it then and I’m going to say it now. Why do we have 2 Skills and Attack coaches and yet we have seen very little improvement in this area. I feel our Forwards and Defence coaches have moved us in the correct direction but there has been no sign of skills and attack. Sean Everitt has been at the Sharks a long time and I’m unsure what positive he has brought. Do we need 2 coaches for skills and attack? My thinking is no and therefore would reappoint him to another position either to help the senior side or in the juniors. Gold needs to move to the DOR roll he was employed for. I truly believe Robert du Preez has more to offer the Sharks and needs to cut his teeth in the CC this year and then take the squad over in 2017 SR. I feel that would put Gold where is is presumably best (as that is what he was employed to do).

    As for the 2017 SR squad there are big positives: Our Lock stocks are looking fierce. The twins wre fantastic in their maiden senior campaign. Keegan, van der Walt, Mthembu are all there, so loosies are covered. Granted maybe a little thin at 6. Andre has announced himself as a hard working, hard defending 12, he has some development but I believe with the correct coaching he will grow. Lambie has a few understudies and I feel they all need to stake their claim, April, Inny, Bosch. Nkosi looks to be coming through the system nicely and hope we see him in the premier CC side, I feel Marius Louw also needs to be backed and see what he brings. We can not go through another season of no midfield alternatives.

    The negatives, Beast needs to be told he isn’t guaranteed 1st choice, he needs to work. Our scrumhalf’s all need work. Mvovo is worrying me. He needs to sort his issues, he’s a senior member, no excuses. Odwa surely needs to take a back seat, Sithole although makes a lot of mistakes must be backed otherwise we may as well shed him. I would back him. We need and an alternative at TH, Coenie isn’t it and we need 13.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.07.16 11:58:30 by Hulk Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : So basically the Super squad.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.07.16 11:59:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 23) : Its there in the first line ” a pretty simple game if it’s done well”

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.07.16 12:03:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I have an issue with the fact that we have played crappy rugby all season, even when we were winning. We have by far the worst try scoring record of the playoff teams. The only teams who have scored fewer tries than the Sharks are the bottom 4 teams on the log. We scored 40 tries this season, exactly half of which were scored against the Kings and the Sunwolves. 20 tries in 12 games? That’s atrocious!

    You can argue that this is because Lambie wasn’t around for most of it, but we should be able to cope without our star player.

    I don’t think Gary Gold has the ferocity necessary to win this competition.

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.07.16 12:04:05 by Apollo Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : Indeed, and pretty much all will be playign super rugby in 2017. So should we then not use the CC to initiate a game plan and team culture to take forward into 2017 seeing as though Rob DuPreez looks set to coach both the CC and Super 2017. Use this Super rugby team base and rotate a few new ones in and out etc. Yes it means that results may not be great always…but if there is a clear indication of a plan and attitude i think even us Sharks fans can overlook a wrong result or two in tight games

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.07.16 12:08:31 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : that’s the problem most fans want and will only except winning try scoring rugby! If they don’t win they’re shit and if they don’t score enough tries when winning they’re also shit!!!
    Just remember all the top players and coaches in the world is standing in line to sign for the Sharks so there’s no reason to sign anything less!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.07.16 12:18:44 by JD Reply
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  • There are 3 things that went wrong for us that I saw.
    1. Missing those early penalties. Canes are beatable if you force them to chase. Once they’re ahead and tails up it’s nigh impossible.
    2. TJ & Beauden combo has been progressively working better and better all season. No major injuries (that I’m aware of). On the contrast we’ve had dreadful luck with our 9s and 10s injury wise. Broken record here but a 9 and 10 are only as good as how well they gel.
    3. Money man did not put a massive bet on the Sharks to lose.

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.07.16 12:27:53 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 30) : Ah i do love that comment 🙂 So true

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.07.16 12:28:03 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : Apparently we signed the Namibian scrumhalf Damian Stevens for the CC,young 20 year old.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.07.16 12:35:27 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 33) : He will play U21 CC if he is lucky…never heard of the guy before. Who has he played for besides Namibia?

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.07.16 12:40:34 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : “Stevens, who represented Namibia at last year’s Rugby World Cup in England, will move from Western Province to Durban and initially be available for both the Under-21 side and as back-up for the Sharks in the Currie Cup while Cobus Reinach is injured.

    The diminutive halfback, who rose to prominence at Walvis Bay High before moving to Paul Roos in his later part of this school career, played Varsity Shield for the University of the Western Cape and was in the WP Currie Cup qualifying squad.

    He has four caps for Namibia”
    Off Stormers24

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.07.16 12:43:00 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 35) : On that pedigree he would be lucky to make the u21 CC side. What a waste of money from the Sharks. We have Reinach, Claasens, Ungerer, Venter all on our books. Together with Dylan Marcus and the Impi 9 that have played in the CC side…no wonder Sharks cant control finances

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.07.16 12:49:53 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : A last hoorah from JS? 🙄

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.07.16 12:50:43 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 37) : The signing just make no sense unless there something i dont know about the u21 scrummies…

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.07.16 13:05:45 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : J Juries will be the starting 9, not on earth sure why they have signed this oke, never even heard of him. But lets hope he is ok, I thought our scrumhalves were poor this year, too slow to the breakdown and making wrong decisions all the time.

    part of the lions success is speed to breakdown, you take that away and it changed the pattern of the game completely.

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.07.16 13:11:13 by Vonno13 Reply
  • Viewed in isolation the last game was a bit of a distaster but overall it’s job well done from me Sharks.

    On a only somewhat related note, I’m not looking forward to the idea of only facing Australian opposition next year. I suspect Lions supporter probably feel the same.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.07.16 13:20:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 39) : Besides Reinach the other scrummies arent exactly express pace. Still think Claasens needs to be put to pasture and Venter given a chance. Sharks missed a trick ages ago in not keeping Tiaan Meyer. Also not much use if the scrummie is quick to the breakdown but the rest of the team is still lying on the ground or standing still trying to breath

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.07.16 13:20:44 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : Even Reinach has slow service – compared to the NZ scrummies and Faf, he does not have the same flow about his game. If you ask me, rugby has evolved and it seems the heavier packs are struggling. I think the days of having 110-115kg loosies is a thing of the past. Like you said, no point your scrummie getting there quickly if no one else can keep up. We need to find balance and if you ask me, a guy like D Du Preez, would be a 5 lock, no questions. I do not feel rugby can accommodate 3 heavies in the loose trio department anymore. The flanks are becoming like centres, very powerful but also very quick to the breakdown, same goes for the rest of the pack. The Lions loose forwards are a perfect example – I had a good chat to Russell Winter the other day, and would you believe this, he had to beg the Lions not to let Jaco Kriel go, the Lions said he was too small and would never make it, Winter persuaded them otherwise and the rest is history, he is now by miles the best flank in SA, no question. Conditioning and fitness need to be given more attention, our players are big enough, in fact, too big in many instances

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.07.16 13:28:27 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 42) : In SA we frequently confuse pure weight with strength/power. As i said its no use the scrummie getting there quickly if the rest of the team are not already moving to receive the ball. Its why the Lions work well as there loosies as well as 10,12 are quickly back up and in position and running onto the ball. I did a fun experiment on Saturday and for about a 5-10 min during both the Sharks and Stormers game neither team made more than 2 passes before taking contact and creating a ruck. (And that includes the scrummie pass from the base.) Now that for me tells a story

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.07.16 13:33:18 by SheldonK Reply

  • @vanmartin (Comment 40) : Probably the most depressing of it all….facing that ridiculously boring Ozzie conference in 2017.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.07.16 13:42:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : Scary story that one.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.07.16 14:06:08 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @BarendL (Comment 35) : link? I can’t find it

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.07.16 14:07:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Was on the Supersport site Rob.

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.07.16 14:13:56 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : You need to build your team around the captain,he needs to be the first name on the sheet every week for me the guy who should have the job is the Ginger,he has the potential to be a great Sharks captain,f
    The best game we played all year was the pre season game in France when Marcel was the captain.He ‘s the kinda guy that a team follow thru the gates of hell.
    Un fortunately he announced his intention of leaving at the end of the season after that game and Gold like petulant rejected woman immediately took the captaincy away from him that was a watershed moment and the team never hit those heights again all season.

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.07.16 14:16:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : If im not mistaken he has captained the Cheetahs a bit before. He does seem to have a quiet persona however…is a calm and quiet leader one that this sharks team needs to kickstart itself and bring back the passion though?

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.07.16 14:20:10 by SheldonK Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.07.16 14:20:27 by BarendL Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : Fully agree on vd Walt,think he would make a great captain!
    Would you ever consider Chilli again for that type of role in a couple of years or do you think he has tarnished himself from the armband?

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.07.16 14:23:06 by BarendL Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : Good point

    I feel we need to prep for next year but getting back tyler fisher, to go with Am and Wandile Mjekevu who played well for the kings.

    Possibly get freddy back eventually or Robert du preez as things stand our FH depth chart is lambie (injury pron), Gareth (very promising) and Inny (young but could step up), Bosch (best that he stays at FB for now)

    Lambie and RDP could also play Inside centre, could do with another player there since I figure hiemar will leave as they seem to not rate him, or lets see how M Louw steps up.

    My view is we need to recruit to reshape our team.

    with jordan, JP, Joe, marcell etc all leaving

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.07.16 14:23:43 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 52) : Tyler Fisher has struggled to make the Pumas side…but we might play him in the first CC game. Fed Zeilinga is rubbish he can stay in Bloem. Rob DuPreez isnt playing good rugby currently- sits way to deep in the pocket. The Sharks dont have the budget to recruit overseas stars so they should look at a couple good guys in these smaller CC sides or bigger unions u21 sides. Ps. Dan Kriel just got married in KZN on the weekend and think the snow is keeping him here for now 😉

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.07.16 14:27:06 by SheldonK Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 52) : Who would be on that list of recruitments?I reckon the twins stepped up in the absence of Marcel and Alberts with Keegan also coming back in a fetching/linking type player,we have Sithole, Am, Mjekevu and M.Louw for the outside centre/wing positions,we have Bosch and Smith for FB cover, all young guys with enthusiasm and great potential,so reckon we might give these guys a full go in the CC (or I hope at least) and see where we are truly at in terms of player stock,I would love to see us using the CC as a gauge to judge who and what we truly have,imo

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.07.16 14:31:54 by BarendL Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : Robert didn’t look to happy on Saturday and that dick Fleck is probably laying the whole blame for his sides’ disgusting home defeat,on Robert
    The idiot throws a kid who hasn’t played for weeks into a game of that standard then blames him when his non plan doesn’t work.
    I think he looked very home sick on the bench and wouldn’t be surprised to see him come home.

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.07.16 14:34:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : I really dont believe Rob DuPreez has been playing well at 10 sicne he moved to Maties and the Stormers. He is playing deeper and deeper. Maybe he is scared of another injury i dont know. At least Jean Luc Duplessis played flat and attacked the line. Stormers should have started Thompson on Sat- he also plays flat. If Rob DuPreez doesnt change something soon he will disappear as a player…probably move to UK

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.07.16 14:37:55 by SheldonK Reply

  • @BarendL (Comment 54) : I am not sure I agree with you there. I feel it more prudent to allow the players the opportunity of playing in their age groups and gaining experience and confidence there. Our full strength u21 side would win the CC, no question, they have an exceptional age group side, especially this year. Why through the talented guys in the CC where we may suffer quite a few losses? Would it not be better to just be patient and wait for the players to develop through the year. I think we are being to hasty here, let the youngsters play u21, the comp is there for a reason, they are still kids and by suffering a few losses at senior level, it can sometimes bugger up there confidence.

    Lets go out and win the u21 CC and perhaps we will have more positivity on this site. We throw the lighties in the seniors, they lose a few games, the u21s struggle as they are missing their best players and all of a sudden it is panic stations again. Patience is needed right now, we have fantastic young talent coming through, give them some time – ie 1-3 years

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.07.16 14:38:55 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : I would have to agree on that point, very deep indeed

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.07.16 14:40:12 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 57) : I think if the Sharks try tell the likes of DuToit, DuPreez twins etc that they going to play u21 they may tell the Sharks to piss off and exit stage right…

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.07.16 14:41:03 by SheldonK Reply

  • Looking back at the start of the season, I would not have thought that we would have even made the playoffs, so for that, well done.

    But Rob, I do think it matters how you loose, and what was really disappointing was that the guys didn’t even look like they were trying, where the passion?

    I remember watching a very youthful Lions team getting beat up on not too long ago, but what impressed me is that these guys just would never give up, no matter how far they were down. Look at where they are now.

    Its not about reputation its about attitude and the selectors need to acknowledge this.

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.07.16 14:44:43 by stevovo Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 60) : When last did we see a Sharks team consistently play with passion? 2010 maybe?

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.07.16 14:51:30 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : In the game at the beginning of the season in France with Marcell as captain,

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.07.16 14:57:45 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : There have been the odd game (yes that one included). But when last was there consistently a sharks team giving it their all and dying for each other on the field? I honestly cannot recall any stage in the last few years. Yes the odd game but nothing consistent

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.07.16 15:02:13 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Vonno13 (Comment 57) : Fair point,but it wont work in most cases,especially guys that have made their Super debut this season….telling guys to tackle Ardie Savea the 1 week and then telling them to play U21 the next week might have a negative effect?Make them question their own performances during SuperRugby? But I can see what you are saying,the door is still open for that to happen,but it must be judged case by case?

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.07.16 15:03:12 by BarendL Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : These gents are already there, they have already established themselves as senior players, I have not even thought about them with regards to the u21 side of this year, they are just bonuses :mrgreen:

    this will be your likely u21 side, and believe me, they will be hard to beat

    majola, van verron, Kramer, Vosloo, Andrews, Geldenhuys, Du Toit, Schramm, Juries, Inno, Cele, Louw, Blewitt, Nkosi, Bosch

    The only one that may not be there is Nkosi as I believe he is injured. Out of that side, 11 played last year, including the entire pack – so they are a year more hardened and experienced. Believe you me, if the Sharks seniors do not make the play offs, the twins and du toit will certainly play. Andre Esterhuizen played in the semi final against the cheetahs last year. An u21 winners medal is a huge honour, especially when you look at our current state of affairs.

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.07.16 15:07:06 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @BarendL (Comment 64) : Look, the twins and t du toit are seniors, I am not talking about them, they have stamped their authority on the senior stage, although, at the beginning, the twins needed time to get used to handling the ball, too many knocks etc – they seem to have sorted this out. I am referring to the others, including Bosch. He will be a massive asset to the u21 side and I can honestly see the u21 team winning the CC – and this is without the twins and Thomas. The problem is this, I already know of the names of guys who will be thrown in at cc level this year and this means the cohesion of the side dies. Patience is a virtue and I would love the Sharks to keep the above mentioned side together for the entire campaign.

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.07.16 15:11:29 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 65) : It looks good on your CV when overseas clubs come shopping too.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.07.16 15:16:15 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 65) : Thats a decent side…very few having played SA u20 though but still good. Just wonder what depth is like. Also depends on what Senior depth is like as i dont think its much at all- especially the backline. And yeh if Sharks u21s progress further than Senior i am sure all of DuToit, Dupreez x 2 etc will come down and play.

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.07.16 15:16:57 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Vonno13 (Comment 65) : Taking your u21 side there: majola, van verron, Kramer, Vosloo, Andrews, Geldenhuys, Du Toit, Schramm, Juries, Inno, Cele, Louw, Blewitt, Nkosi, Bosch

    Add in the possible senior side: DuToit, Marais, Adriaanse, Botha, Lewies, DuPreez, Van Der Walt, Mthembu, Claasens, April, Mjekevu, Esterhuizen,Am, Sithole, Smith

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.07.16 15:29:31 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : Agree with the starting line up, bench?

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.07.16 15:43:11 by Vonno13 Reply
  • My first reaction after the game was disgust…..which turned to anger…..which turned to embarrassment. I didn’t even watch the other two games. However on Sunday I saw the Lions had won and the Stormers got manhandled at home, and I started to feel better. :mrgreen: I was thinking about the Sharks after I watched the Lions game and I felt this tiny seed of hope starting to grow, I remembered last year and how I felt at the end of that fuck up, I remembered not too long ago how the Lions were the whipping boys of Super Rugby and got relegated, I remember how they struggled sponserless with players bailing left and right, I remember how they started to claw their way back cm by cm, I remember how those centimeters turned into meters. We can do this, we don’t need a superstar coach or players. We need the right coach and the right players to fit into our team and the culture we want to develop. Well done Lions I salute you and I will be cheering you on for the rest of this competition!

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.07.16 15:46:02 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 70) : Now thats where it gets tricky. Only 22 man squads remember. Think Joubert and a scrummy will fill u21 bench. Not sure of the forwards to be honest.

    In the seniors: Chilliboy, Coenie, Oosthuizen, Daniel, Ungerer,Williams,Ndungane

    Starts to get tricky…

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.07.16 15:49:36 by SheldonK Reply

  • Had a look at the highlights of the sharks vs canes game in dbn .sharks outplayed the canes that day and should have put a bigger score on the board.this past saturday the sharks started strong but could not convert pressure into points.canes took their opportunities.was it a 41-0 performance?looking at 80mins of rugby played,no it wasn’t.

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.07.16 15:54:15 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : Ja, depth appears a bit then. That is why I have heard a lot of u21s are going to be thrown in, but I do not like it. Would rather have a mediocre senior CC ( cant get worse than Sat ) and a fantastic u21 season and then build on that confidence in Super Rugby pre season. But the depth is not there and hence, the u21 group will be constantly changing, the u19s the year before were awful, so not sure if there is much coming through on that side. Will be an interesting campaign on both ends, our current u19s already look buggered.

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.07.16 16:07:25 by Vonno13 Reply
  • Any news on sharks signings for next season’s u19s?lions hve signed a few (3)of the wp craven week players.

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.07.16 16:10:27 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • @Vonno13 (Comment 74) : Yeh current u19s look like they wont feature at all this year. Depth is the problem and quality depth. I cant see the senior side being sacrificed for the u21s.Either way of the players we do have something needs to change throughout as both the super rugby side and the CC qualifying side dont look fit enough and both struggle with catching and passing the ball while running at pace.

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.07.16 16:12:26 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Vonno13 (Comment 70) : @SheldonK (Comment 72) : the totally stupid idea of playing only 22 players will for sure favour props like Du Toit and Oosthuizen as they can play both sides.
    Geez the short sightedness of SARU really piss me off!!! Currie cup premiere division needs to have 23 player teams to ensure props get enough game time before Super rugby!!!

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.07.16 16:22:59 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 77) : Can saru please get a new CEO…this maties fellar has really dragged SA rugby to new lows.

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.07.16 16:25:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Translated from that Afrikaans site where the truth is sometimes optional

    In Shark circles it is felt Teichmann must head in a new direction with the contracting of players when he starts in his new position on 2 August. Teichmann will have to decide whether the Sharks can contract fewer players to cut costs .

    The Sharks group currently consists of about 70 players . The feeling exists in Durban there should be less so-called third -choice players contracted . More contracts should preferably be awarded to junior talent to build a team with a view to the future .

    From the gist of it I assume they are talking about senior contracted players. The Lions was in a similar situation until they cleaned house under JM. Any comments on this?

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.07.16 16:40:32 by Baylion Reply

  • @JD (Comment 77) : Do you know the reason why,SARU can save one plane freon every trip,

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.07.16 16:41:37 by The hound Reply
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  • fare

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.07.16 16:41:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 79) : thanks for the link.lions picked up a fair few players just under the radar ,or not even rated at all,and built a quality team.

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.07.16 17:01:51 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • @Vonno13: any idea where anton du toit will be playing rugby next season?

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.07.16 17:31:34 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 79) : It’s fine if they contract fewer players, I’d prefer a zero tolerance on the dual SR/Jpn contracts.

    Also, not as if the third choice contracted players serve much purpose….dead wood if CCQ results are anything to go by.

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.07.16 18:11:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 84) : The problem with most teams is that they have contracted players on their books, earning an income, but they aren’t really used anymore. This can be a massive drain on finances

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.07.16 18:35:25 by Baylion Reply

  • re: japan/sr contracts: if it means keeping/signing players for the sharks, I’m for it . marcell coetzee was playing super rugby before his injury.some of the lions were also playing in japan this past season.

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.07.16 18:37:39 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 80) : glad to hear there’s a valid reason for their decision. Maybe next year they will chance Currie cup to a sevens competition just imagine how much they will save!?!?!? 😉

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.07.16 20:25:54 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 78) : although I like to blame him for everything as much as the next person I don’t think he’s to blame for this! Think it’s the smaller unions that made that genius decision!!!

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.07.16 20:29:08 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 79) : for sure I do think there’s room and merit in cutting contracted senior player totals but it will not be easy to decide who must stay and who must go.

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.07.16 20:37:08 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 83) : is he maybe the brother of the one that can’t be mentioned?! 😉

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.07.16 20:39:31 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 84) : @Baylion (Comment 85) : knowing who to contract and for how long (to ensure top performance by all players) is really difficult if not impossible. Injuries, players losing form, etc is almost impossible to for see so a team will always carry a couple of “unused” (or like our friend fire says “dead wood”) players.

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.07.16 20:44:41 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 90) : 😀 plays no12.left-footed kicker.

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.07.16 20:50:10 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • Agree dead wood needs to be cut and it is my firm opinion that more players need to be picked from clubs

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  • Comment 94, posted at 25.07.16 21:41:49 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • So we are measuring ourselves against mediocrity? Or are we ok with what happened even after 65 minutes of losing with 0 score?Maybe we can brag about how many times we’ve made the playoffs and not succeeded? Maybe we can find a positive in the fact that the whole season was mediocre with spots of awful on between. Maybe we can have another rebuild year.

  • Comment 95, posted at 26.07.16 07:10:48 by coolfusion Reply

  • I did not read all the comments but those I did see was about the lack of a decent captain/commitment/passion/structures and a rotting culture that has “engulfed” the union. All the teams at the Sharks are struggling at the moment and I have completely stopped watching any of the teams play. There I said it! In the beginning I thought the problem was me, but the fact is that none of the teams have shown any sort of passion…at least not what I’m use to from a Sharks outfit. Since 2013 things have just gotten worse until the point where I just catch the scoreline on Superbru and an update from you guys. I can’t think of a solution… seems like there are so many things wrong that there just is not a quick fix. I really hope that GT get the union back on track and that it is not too late.

    Where is my Sharks Team?

  • Comment 96, posted at 26.07.16 07:18:03 by Farlington Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 95) : Always the bridesmaid but never the bride. 😆 😐 🙁 😥

  • Comment 97, posted at 26.07.16 07:27:04 by Farlington Reply

  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 83) : WP as far as I heard…..

  • Comment 98, posted at 26.07.16 08:19:12 by BarendL Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 11) :@Farlington (Comment 96) : Cannot leave this one out of the equation, spot on. We need a captain on the field. We’ve said it previously, Beast is no captain and never will be. The other problem was obvious.

  • Comment 99, posted at 26.07.16 08:38:47 by Quintin Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 95) : Jeepers if I have to go through another year of rebuilding…..

  • Comment 100, posted at 26.07.16 08:48:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 100) : Took the Lions 5…but technically we haven’t won anything even before our ‘rebuilding’ started while they have a real chance to win their maiden SR title. Saying that just made me sad 🙁

  • Comment 101, posted at 26.07.16 08:52:33 by Quintin Reply

  • @Quintin (Comment 101) : Took the Lions 5 years to do what,win a quarter final ,because right now that is all they have done.I hope I am wrong but I can’t really see them winning this thing this year,and they still have a huge game before they make the finals.
    A week ago the Stormers not only in Nick Mallets eyes were the new champions waiting to be crowned,this week Robbie Flecks going on a coaching course.
    Lets hold our horses on the Lions till they do actually win something.

  • Comment 102, posted at 26.07.16 09:07:16 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 100) : Well lets see if we can make it through a year with the same CEO, coach and captain…what are the chances…

  • Comment 103, posted at 26.07.16 09:07:36 by SheldonK Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 102) : They won the conference title 😉

  • Comment 104, posted at 26.07.16 09:09:05 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : We wait on small miracles.

  • Comment 105, posted at 26.07.16 09:22:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : So did the Stormers, sstrue, I saw them taking the team photo after the Kings game. Take that Kiwi rugby, 2 conference titles for SA teams to your 1. 😛

  • Comment 106, posted at 26.07.16 09:26:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : That was the Stormers wasn’t it

  • Comment 107, posted at 26.07.16 09:26:26 by The hound Reply
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  • It just occured to me that the Wakefield family had a really crap weekend – their teams took a combined 100 point drubbing.

  • Comment 108, posted at 26.07.16 09:28:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Over the years I have had a bitch at this Super rugby competition,it is the only competition in he world of sport that works on a league system to identify the teams who’ll play in the shootout finals,Imagine the Premier League being decided on a knockout of the top 6.Would never happen in a million years.
    Yet that is what happens in Super rugby,it makes interesting reading if you bacon the history of the tournament and see how many times the Sharks won the league.,only to lose the shootout.

  • Comment 109, posted at 26.07.16 09:33:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 106) : @The hound (Comment 107) : Did you not see the footage of the Lions getting the trophy? was hilarious. Think the guy was trying to hand it to Jaco Kriel and get his team up to celebrate and none of them were interested or even knew they were getting a trophy.

  • Comment 110, posted at 26.07.16 09:43:24 by SheldonK Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 102) : Took 5 years of losing games and building a team to play good competitive rugby, wasn’t referring to them having won the SR already , I know they only got to the semi’s and have 2 tough games before they win anything, it just looks like they are in a better position than we were in our last couple of SR playoffs we were involved in.

  • Comment 111, posted at 26.07.16 09:43:51 by Quintin Reply

  • @Quintin (Comment 111) : Why ,they have won a home quarter,a few years ago we went to Aus beat a team there,came back to Cape Town beat them ,then went back to New Zealand and surprise,surprise we took a hiding,
    Lions have achieved nothing YET except avoid a 40 point beating on the weekend.
    I wish them well,but am not convinced that they won’t take a beating before this competition is over,

  • Comment 112, posted at 26.07.16 09:50:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 102) : yes,and I hope the lions team stays grounded and focused on this weekend’s game.would be great for an sa team to win this comp,but feel for that to happen the lions need to beat the landers (for stating the obvious! 😀 ),and the chiefs beat the canes.

  • Comment 113, posted at 26.07.16 09:53:00 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 112) : Exactly my point, we had to travel a lot more that year(Reds and Stormers) , they are in a position where they can play a home final, where the other team has had to travel. If the Canes lose, and the Lions win that would be the case.

  • Comment 114, posted at 26.07.16 09:57:27 by Quintin Reply

  • @Apollo (Comment 28) : Ferocity!! Thank you! That is the word ive been looking for all year. Gary Gold does not have the dog-eat-dog, hunger, desperation, killer instinct or basic assholeness to win trophies. Neither does Chris Farley the bok captain. Ferocity. Ill tell you who had it, Jake White had it.

  • Comment 115, posted at 26.07.16 10:03:02 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Home ground advantage for knock-out stages is very important.sharks have only scored double figures twice in last 7 ko games in australasia (1 win from 7).

  • Comment 116, posted at 26.07.16 10:07:36 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 116) : That is one more win than any other South African team.

  • Comment 117, posted at 26.07.16 10:10:58 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : 😆 missed it.

  • Comment 118, posted at 26.07.16 10:15:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 115) : Hahahahaha don’t think I’m ever going to look at Strauss again the same way 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 119, posted at 26.07.16 10:18:30 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 118) : the guy kept saying well done Lions, all can come up and celebrate…and none of them are paying any attention, just keep chatting to their mates and opposition on the field and Kriel looks like he is trying to hand the trophy back so he can also go chat. Was damn funny.

  • Comment 120, posted at 26.07.16 10:19:23 by SheldonK Reply

  • @KingRiaan (Comment 119) : Yes and Willie Le Roux is a dead ringer for the guy from Banshee.

  • Comment 121, posted at 26.07.16 10:23:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 115) : Ha, ha, that one tmo ref thought Gold was plenty ferocious – cost the Sharks a shed load of money too. I wonder under what that incident is captured in the elusive financials.

  • Comment 122, posted at 26.07.16 10:24:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 122) : probably same line item as Cheika’s tv abuse haha

  • Comment 123, posted at 26.07.16 10:27:22 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 122) : 😀 😀

  • Comment 124, posted at 26.07.16 10:36:53 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 119) : Best photo of Strauss, playing with his balls

  • Comment 125, posted at 26.07.16 12:28:17 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 125) : All he is missing in that photo is a pool of mud and Rudolf Straueli on the sidelines and he should be kaalgat.

  • Comment 126, posted at 26.07.16 13:20:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 125) : he looks like Boris Johnson

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  • @Baylion (Comment 125) : haha he does look like Beverly Hills Ninja in that photo

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