Adriaanse gets tour nod as Redelinghuys ruled out

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 22 Aug 2016 at 09:45
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Unlucky Julian Redelinghuys is unlikely to add to his test cap tally during this year’s Rugby Championship, with the Lions tighthead having ruled himself out of action for roughly six weeks in injuring his hamstring against los Pumas on Saturday.

Sharks man Lourends Adriaanse, who was initially called up to the squad as cover for injured Trevor Nyakane, now find himself on the plane as the Boks fly to Argentina for the return leg and is a strong candidate for a test jersey, despite Nyakane’s return to fitness. With Vincent Koch set to move up into the starting tighthead position, Adriaanse should probably be expected to occupy the bench spot an hopefully gain a second test cap several years after his maiden appearance for the Boks in 2013.

Another Shark, Lwazi Mvovo, is less fortunate and has not made the cut for the tour. Already released for Currie Cup rugby last week (although he did not feature), Mvovo does not appear to be in coach Allister Coetzee’s immediate plans and will instead, presumably, need to change the coach’s mind through strong performances for the Sharks in the domestic competition.

Here’s the full tour squad:

Lourens Adriaanse, Ruan Combrinck, Damian de Allende, Lood de Jager, Juan de Jongh, Faf de Klerk, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Eben Etzebeth, Johan Goosen, Bryan Habana, Elton Jantjies, Steven Kitshoff, Vincent Koch, Jaco Kriel, Jesse Kriel, Francois Louw, Lionel Mapoe, Malcolm Marx, Bongi Mbomanmbi, Oupa Mohoje, Franco Mostert, Tendai Mtawarira, Trevor Nyakane, Rudy Paige, Morne Steyn, Adriaan Strauss, Warren Whiteley


  • 1. Beast. 2 Strauss (default) 3. Koch. 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kriel 7. Mahoje 8. Whiteley 9. DeKlerk 10. Goosen 11. Habana 12. DeJongh 13. Mapoe 14. Combrinck 15. Kriel. Bench: Kitshoff, Marx,Adriaanse, De Jager, Mostert, Paige, Jantjies, DeAllende That will give us the best chance of a win

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.08.16 09:55:58 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : we can only dream…

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.08.16 10:27:05 by DuToit04 Reply
  • @DuToit04 (Comment 2) : Indeed you are correct. Only change i can see this week is Koch starting instead of Redelinghuis

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.08.16 10:29:35 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : not a bad team but will rather have Jesse on the bench in place of de Allende.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.08.16 10:30:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 4) : So you would prefer Jantjies and Goosen to start?

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.08.16 10:46:42 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : That’s the way I would go. I however would give Jantjies 1 more start before benching him. I missed the game on Saturday (I know I missed a howler from him) but he has been the form FH this season, Goosens defence is still a concern to me and lastly I have been very negative towards Jantjies just because I rate Lambie, so I’m trying to give him as much support before I revert back to my “Jantjies can’t hack it on the big stage” attitude.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.08.16 11:03:08 by Hulk Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 6) : I do get the merit of continuing with Jantjies even in his poor international form….BUT Pollard was heavily criticised for having a few bad games so think only fair to apply same to Jantjies. Problem is only other real option is Goosen currently…unless we try Morne Steyn again?

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.08.16 11:11:24 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : At this rate, we might as well have Burger at Fh…both Elton and Goosen were woefull, imagine those two in that hostile Argentinian cage used for tormenting the Boks. šŸ˜Æ

    Pain, lots of pain.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.08.16 11:22:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : If our forwards dont front up in Arg then we should probably play someone like PSDT at 10 as they in for a world of pain.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.08.16 11:24:28 by SheldonK Reply

  • I would have Morne on the bench, then Elton can be subbed without an issue. Man, I still can’t get over how crap he was on saterday.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.08.16 12:49:45 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : ag sorry long Monday morning did not see Kriel at 15. Ja with this group no other choice than to have de Allende on the bench!?!?

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.08.16 13:37:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 6) : @SheldonK (Comment 7) : I missed the first half but the second was very bad! Elton panicking and kicking the ball straight into Strauss’s face was about the best thing he did!

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.08.16 13:41:32 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 12) : Agitated and panic stricken is probably an apt description of the Bok backline play from Saturday. They just need to calm down….there is a difference between playing at speed and rushing through things

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.08.16 13:46:39 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : Criticise by all means but Pollard was given so many opportunities he was bound to be good in a few games. So lets afford Jantjies the same treatment. Whilst there is no out and out better option lets persist and see what happens. I’m not sure Goosen will fare any better and reverting to Steyn is a giant step backwards in my opinion.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.08.16 14:16:54 by Hulk Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 14) : Im happy to leave Jantjies at 10 for now and even Goosen at 15 and lets see how they progress. The midfield needs a change though..and then the bench combo

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.08.16 14:26:32 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : Agree about the midfield and the bench. Think both Kriels deserve their chance to start. Not sure why Goosen leap frogged Kriel to start anyway, possibly as a kicking option?

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.08.16 14:46:08 by Hulk Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 14) : @SheldonK (Comment 15) : don’t see AC making any changes accept for injury in forced changes and sorry to say I can’t see this team winning in Argentina!

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.08.16 14:58:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 16) : Yeh apparently was a kicking option. Would be tough to drop him now after 1 game though. @JD (Comment 17) : And yeh i agree with you…although i did think the Boks could scrape a win until i saw that its apparently a french ref for the test so ya good luck Boks

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.08.16 15:01:39 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : fuck they struggled to scrape a home victory!!! Going to be a long and painful 80min in Argentina if they play like they did in the second half!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.08.16 15:18:39 by JD Reply
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  • Got a feeling we’ll fair better next week and get the win. Granted a vast improvement is required.

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.08.16 20:32:29 by Hulk Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 20) : Jerome Garces announced to officiate the game. Certainly not going to make it easier

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.08.16 07:54:30 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 21) : Look we do seem to get the raw end of the deal when we have French refs but we just need to keep discipline. Still feel we should win it but as I said before not with last weeks performance, an improvement is required and I’m sure we will see it.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.08.16 10:09:48 by Hulk Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 22) : hope you’re correct!!! Personally I don’t think so!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.08.16 11:24:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 23) : My optimistic outlook may be due to me missing the game on Saturday šŸ˜†

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.08.16 12:10:27 by Hulk Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 24) : only watched the second half but I’m sure if watched the first half I would have given up control of the remote at half time. Trust me it was bad!

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.08.16 14:34:59 by JD Reply
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  • I give up. Kok is at WP and is going to play in the CC. Fast tracked into the 13 jersey whilst we don’t have a 13 for SR and Province has a number of 13’s. Just wish we can be aggressive for once. We seem good at releasing players early from their contracts but battle to replace them. Come on Gary..bring that boy to the Sharks.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.08.16 14:41:24 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 26) : Which names would you look to get in? Remember we do have Ward coming in at 13. Am currently playing 13.

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.08.16 15:06:43 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : I’d rather we look at an additional, quality 12 than signing another outside centre. After all we have Am and Ward, with Maritz also having played there, and then as a final option there’s still S’Bura and Mjekevu. At 12 we have Esterhuizen and nothing else (don’t even try to convince me Williams is Super Rugby quality).

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.08.16 15:14:47 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 28) : I fully agree with your comment. I have also heard this is Williams last season with him starting his accounting articles next year. Only guy then after Esterhuizen is Marius Louw who is very untested

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.08.16 15:18:57 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 28) : @SheldonK (Comment 29) : talk of Sharks signing Deysel from Leopards. Not sure how good he is as I’ve seen very little of him.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.08.16 15:32:20 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 30) : Apparently that ship has sailed. He is a good player but perhaps a bit too hyped up

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.08.16 15:35:02 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Kok vs Ward or AM. Think Kok wins that one hands down. Province has two Bok centres. One would think the prospect of gametime would attract him to the Sharks.

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.08.16 15:40:36 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : Kok plays both.

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.08.16 15:41:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 32) : When last did Kok play 15s? Think at school was last time so whilst he is a very good 7s player and have good physical attributes i think lets reserve judgement on his 15s ability at 13 till he has played a game at least. Also remember Kok is a contracted 7s player so can only play CC and SARU can dictate when he plays and when he doesnt.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.08.16 15:42:51 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : like I said don’t know to much about him (except the hype). Maybe select another option from junior teams?!

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.08.16 15:43:43 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : Your argument doesn’t hold water. In NZ and Aus you have league converts that are brought into the 15 man code and become super starts. If you are talented and understand the rules the learning curve is so tiny. What about those players that move from the 15 man code, to 7’s and even league..SBW..Kok has some serious skills that will make him a try scoring and creating machine. Hence WP want to move him from 12 to 13.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.08.16 16:37:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • who the hell is Kok?

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.08.16 16:39:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 22) : It does seem that other teams adapt easier on field to the unique calls French refs make. It is as if our players are Neanderthals in a PhD level of play. If we lose, we cannot blame the ref as much as our reaction to his control over the match

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.08.16 17:39:02 by jdolivier Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Werner Kok that plays 7’s.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.08.16 18:12:32 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 36) : @SheldonK (Comment 34) : does not help a lot if Kok is only available for Currie cup. Very sort term solution creating problems for next year’s Super rugby. I’ll stick with Am and Ward thanx!

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.08.16 18:18:37 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Last year’s 7’s player of the year. High school rugby super start that has all the skills to make it in the modern game. Good step, pace, big tackler. Plays centre and wing. Future Bok centre in my opinion. Would be awesome addition. He’s a better Paul Jordaan.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.08.16 18:22:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 41) : problem is he’s contracted to SA 7’s and will probably only play Currie cup. If (and that’s a very big if) WP sign him full time it could work for them but I think it will be a very costly risk as he will not come cheap and there’s always a chance that he will not adapt as they hoped.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.08.16 18:31:27 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 42) : everything can be negotiated. Natural progression is to progress and play for Boks. We release guys from their contracts everyday.

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.08.16 18:34:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 43) : sorry to say but natural progression these days is to go and play for the big money in Japan or Europe. Also I can’t think of a lot of top SA 7’s players switching to 15’s with great success.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.08.16 21:10:51 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 44) : Bobby Skinstad, The Hoff, Seabelo, Kolbe and we are soon going to witness the benefits of 7’s skills when JdJ and Houggie return to 15’s. Point is a talented player will be able to make the adjustment. This guy played 15 man rugby a few years ago and his skills enabled him to successfully switch to 7’s, he’s now going to play the 15 man game again. Our rugby still has a long way to go to catch up to NZ if we can’t see the value of a player like Kok to the modern 15 man game. We still want them big so they can crashball the entire day. Wonder why Province wants to fast track him? Lol..other countries get players to successfully change codes through good coaching. We ignore talent and look for reasons why a switch is not a good idea.

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.08.16 07:30:21 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 45) : Any confirmation that he’s playing 15’s again? Didn’t know WP signed him? Would have loved to have him at the Sharks. Massive work rate, good at the break down, great defender even in a more loose environment like the 7’s and he’s a very strong runner with some good stepping and distribution skills. He deservedly won 7’s player of the year in 2015. I rate him. He hasn’t played a lot of rugby this year though and he did look a little bit rusty the times he came on, still, he’s young and he can easily get that form back IMO.

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.08.16 08:15:05 by Quintin Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 45) : When last did Kok really play 15 though? Senatla looked very lost when he first started out playing 15s at the top level having only played at school. At centre he will get exposed quickly if he doesnt adapt very quickly. I would have thought the way he plays 7s that he would be more suited to flank like Quagga Smith. So before we make him a 15s Bok lets first see him play a 15s game…which i dont think he has done since school…and that was a while ago.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.08.16 08:27:42 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : He does play more of a flankers game IMO. High work rate, good at the ruck and defends well. Hasn’t played a lot of rugby this year at all because of injury, so I won’t even start him in a 7’s game, I’d play him of the bench until he’s back on form.

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.08.16 08:31:47 by Quintin Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 45) : sorry to say but to date neither Seabelo or Kolbe made a huge impact on the 15’s. Don’t get me wrong I’m not against players switching from 7’s to 15’s I’m saying for me it looks as if for some reason SA players seemingly struggle to make the switch and still have the same impact as what they had.

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.08.16 08:44:09 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 49) : There are very few players that have made successful switches between codes. SBW was successful from League to 15s but his conversion to 7s hasnt been successful. Israel Folou was successful from League to 15s. I cannot think of anyone else? Senatla is an average 15s player and really struggled when he first started. Kwagga Smith makes the switch to flank in 15s fairly successfully but stll wouldnt make the 1st choice Lions loose trio. The more 7s and 15s Kolbe and De Jongh play the more average their play becomes in both.

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.08.16 09:26:43 by SheldonK Reply

  • @JD (Comment 49) : Isn’t that down to coaching though? Didn’t Quade also switch from code to rugby. Windel Sailor…there are a number of guys that have successfully made the switch. Just coach them.

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.08.16 09:42:52 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 51) : Reuben Thorne,SBW,and then Scott Gibbs and John Bently converted just before the 97 Lions tour to SA and were instrumental in a team that smashed the Boks.

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.08.16 09:50:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 51) : @The hound (Comment 52) : Coaching plays a part mainly in the position the coach picks a player that has moved codes. I also think the move from League to Union is a lot easier especially for backline players. Transitioning from 7s to 15s is a lot harder, especially if you have only played 7s for a long time.

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.08.16 09:53:34 by SheldonK Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 51) : @The hound (Comment 52) : @SheldonK (Comment 53) : yes players converting from league to union made the same or bigger impact in their new code so not arguing against that what I’m trying to say is the switch between 7’s and 15’s is harder than it looks. Very few players (that I know of) played 7’s for 3-4 years and then made a highly successful switch to 15’s. Just remember although they have all the skills in the world there’s also 8 more defenders on the field so space and time is a lot less than in 7’s.
    However just remember as a prop/hooker I personally did not play a whole lot of 7’s so this is only my opinion and how I think it must be/feel. Would be very interesting to hear what players like Kwaga or Rosco feels or thinks about the switch to 15’s.

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.08.16 10:26:34 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 54) : Remember Speckman was primarily a 15s player that has only recently switched to 15s. Thin Kwagga and to a limited extent Senatla have made a successful move to 15s from primarily playing 7s. Cecil Afrika has tried unsuccessfully on occassion. Even Justin Geduld has struggled now that he mainly plays 7s. Im not saying it cannot work…just that thinking it will be instant success is not correct. It will take time…especially if in key decision making positions

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.08.16 10:36:20 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : I think once you are drilled in when playing 7’s for a couple of years it’s hard to get rid of those drills which over a while becomes instinctive decision making. That makes it harder to ‘unlearn’ them.

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.08.16 11:54:02 by Quintin Reply

  • @Quintin (Comment 56) : Thats a fair point

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.08.16 12:14:50 by SheldonK Reply

  • @JD (Comment 54) : But the modern game demands that we be more open minded. Other rugby unions have identified players from other codes that can add value to the 15 man game and have up skilled them sometimes unsuccessfully and sometimes successfully. My issue is seeing a player’s core skills and deeming them only fit for a particular code because we don’t have the vision and coaching skills. And I for one would rather be that province that is spearheading that conversation and conversion as opposed to it being WP. We say we want to be innovative and be leaders. Proof is in the pudding.

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.08.16 12:26:24 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 58) : Look i agree with you that skilled 7s players can make a good impact in 15s, but it may take an adjustment period depending on position. I also think it is easier for WP to integrate 7s players as the contracted guys are all in Stellenbosch. I think 7s players Kwagga Smith, Kyle Brown and Werner Kok would make an exceptional loose trio. Branco DuPreez could be a good 9. Justin Geduld could be a good 10. Speckman as we know is a good 15s wing. Ive always thought Hougaard could be a good 13- and was the odd occassion he played there for Bulls. Chris Dry could be a good loosie or 12. Senatla is a decent 15s wing but lacks any form of kicking game.

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.08.16 12:35:33 by SheldonK Reply

  • Lions want to bring Senatla to Johannesburg. Count on them identifying talent then deciding to upskill him.

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.08.16 12:42:02 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 58) : @SheldonK (Comment 59) : I’m also not against it but don’t think it’s easy and the players will need time and like you said a lot of coaching. Just don’t know if it’s worth getting a player in for only Currie cup. Also remember Sharks tried the ex American football player a while back so I do think they will try someone that’s willing to move to Durban. Another thing to remember is that only players that’s willing to sign can be contracted so in most cases we don’t know who the Sharks tried to sign we only hear when they’re signed.

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.08.16 12:49:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 61) : Very valid point that last sentence

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