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Monday morning moan thread


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 10 Oct 2016 at 10:33
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I have bad news – I have no silver bullet for the Boks!

Let’s rather take the opportunity to have a good old vent; after all, it’s probably warranted after conceding our biggest home defeat in history.

All I walk ask is two things: number 1, obey the site rules. And number 2, if you can try to think of a constructive suggestion that might actually improve the situation, please don’t be shy to make it. Who knows, perhaps a good old-fashioned moan might just turn into brainstorming session that uncovers some way forward?

Here’s hoping, because right now, it’s looking pretty bleak in the land of the Bok.


195 Comments

  • im not sure we know or understand what the real issue is . treating symptoms wont fix the bigger problem

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.10.16 10:36:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : well, let’s try see if we can find what the real issue is?

    There’s a lot of talk about structures at the moment. That’s a big part of it. But I’m not sure that’s the full answer.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.10.16 10:37:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • You can blame administrators or who ever. Ultimately… The team on the field is not the worst 15/23 we ever fielded. And they were just not interested to do well. Ok to be fair.. Thats how it looked. Yes NZ slipped into 5th gear. The style if rugby we dished up this year is and must be put on the current squad of coaches, captain and players. Yes beating all blacks was going to be tough but that show was nothing but a disgrace. Fixing it might involve all of Saru and the country. Sad state. But at the end of the day… My philosophy that I preach on here holds… Practice all aspects of the game of rugby, all of the time. You might not succeed at first but ask the all blacks… When you do get better and better.. The rewards does pay off.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.10.16 10:42:22 by ebenp Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : No succession planning in SA at coaching level, not enough at player level, lack of quality coaching (especially specialist skills coaching) in SA, skills not up to scratch to be competitive in the top 3, incorrect conditioning focusing on bulk instead of power

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.10.16 10:45:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : well for me , while some people are saying coaching , we have been seeing these results during the HM era as well . So im not sure if it is Only coaching . maybe a combo of game plan and coaching or more specific an inability to coach the new game plan ?

    We also dont show enough patients with a new game plan and the players who suit the game plan ?

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.10.16 10:46:16 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Look, all this talks of strctures etc means diddly squad if you can’t get the team to perform in the short term. A losing team is going to scare away sponsors, without the money from the sponsors, we are going to lose even more players to overseas teams.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.10.16 10:48:21 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 3) : skills. That’s the issue. NONE of our players have skills any where near good enough to compete with the All Blacks. And NONE of them have the professionalism to acknowledge that, go and work on the problem and fix it.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.10.16 10:51:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Nevermind the All Blacks, what about England?

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.10.16 10:51:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I read somewhere, can’t remember where – that a big issue is our coaches obsession with getting the players as big as possible. So a lot of energy and time gets spent in the gym in stead of on skills. The okes needs to be in shape, but if you take nz as an example they focus more on the core and legs and skills. Their guys aren’t monsters except for the islanders with the genetic lottery. Our players skills seems to be getting worse and worse.

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.10.16 10:51:57 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 5) : let me say one thing. People who say “the problem is Allister Coetzee because he is a KAK coach” are actually a big part of the problem themselves.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.10.16 10:53:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 5) : we don’t have the skills for this game plan of which you speak. This is patently obvious.

    And that includes the Lions players. This is not Super Rugby.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.10.16 10:54:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 9) : I’d still put money on every individual All Black, man for man, being stronger, faster and fitter than his Bok counterpart.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.10.16 10:55:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : @robdylan (Comment 2) : The issues are multiple and complex and they’ve been covered in great detail here and on many other sites. The challenge in SA might be knowing what to address first and finding a way to address it in a concerted and unified fashion where there is genuine buy-in and patience from all parties concerned. If we are able to get that right once, we can replicate and improve on the process.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.10.16 10:55:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I hate that word “gameplan”. I don’t think most South Africans really understand the concept. A gameplan is when you analyse your opponents weaknesses and the formulate a plan to attack said weaknesses. Gameplan in the way we use it, should actually be playing style. And in my humble opinion, even the coaches gets it horribly wrong. They have a specific plan in mind, but then choose their favorite players to implement that plan, without considering their strengths and weaknesses. Case in point, AC wants our game to speed up, so he selects three very mobile loosies, Warren, Oupa and Flouw, these players might be mobile, but they get bossed at the breakdown by the bigger stronger opposition loosies, so we end up with slow or turnover ball. Plus at the moment there is no grunt in this team, none, zilch. The Boks always had grunt players, Gert Smal, Kobus Wiese, Mark Andrews, Os, Bakkies, Bismarck..etc. Not these limp wristed wanna be nice guys…

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.10.16 10:57:12 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Successful teams all have one thing in common a winning culture.
    That culture can only come from one place the coach.
    Eddie Jones was able to create that culture in Japan and then he repeated it in 6 months in England.
    PdeV knew he was incapable of doing it so he brought back John Smit to do it for him.
    Mallet,White,Christie all were capable of creating it.
    It begins with a coach /captain relationship.
    Mallett had it until he thought he was the sole keeper of the keys and fired his world record holding captain.
    Kitch left out the best player in the country because he clashed with the captain he had chosen to partner with.
    Alister believes he can do it all himself and picked a captain who by his own admission had told him he was going to retire in 6 months
    What a load of horse shit,there is the first crack in the system.
    We are building for the next WC and we start with a 6 months interim captain,while we wait for what.
    We have a back line coach who is going to learn on the job,and a defence coach who has never coached defence.
    But Alister’s main problem is that he is not good enough to do the job,but he thinks he is.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.10.16 10:58:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : jeez, I worry about our “national collective aptitude” when you start talking about that sort of behaviour.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.10.16 10:59:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : sure , im not calling for every Lions player to be included in the squad . at this time its better for them to be excluded i think .

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.10.16 10:59:31 by Zibbie Reply
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  • For me moaning is a nice way to vent but it solves nothing. Always easier to point out a problem than find a realistic solution. In my view there is no quick fix. Yes there are selection issues and we probably dont have the best combinations of players currently and even those that are the best in their position are not producing at international level. in my view the Boks are falling behind in 3 key areas: 1. Fitness/conditioning 2. Handling skills 3. Decision making under pressure (this includes discipline).

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.10.16 10:59:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • There are no quick fixes.Firstly (these are my observations), we need to sort out the administration.The auditors will have a field day (with smiles) in our national union’s admin. Secondly, our coaching staff need to be employed on merit (maybe pedigree as well). Thirdly (and this is the hardest part), politics has no place in the sport. I am all for transformation, but there needs to be merit in selections, not finances or colour. On that note, contracted players need to managed correctly & performance clauses put in.If an overseas player is playing well, include him! The only reason they are playing overseas is financial. on the EOYT use the overseas players as well – they should be used to the conditions. There are many other factors to take into account, but in the same way you get to your destination – step by step – we need to go forward & clean closet by getting rid of the out of date or too small items & slowly replace with well fitting & apt clothing πŸ˜†

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.10.16 10:59:55 by markm Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : Your points no2 and 3 can both be fixed by amping up the fitness of the players. The fitter the players, the less handling and decision mistakes will be made.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.10.16 11:05:08 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • The issues with lack of skills and incorrect conditioning have to be laid at the door of the franchises / unions. That is where these players spend the bulk of their time – especially in the formative period before they become Boks. What is needed is a national emphasis on fixing these overall. The quality of rugby served up by most of our franchises in Super Rugby was shocking.

    AC does not even have the building blocks to start with – not that I think he would be more than an average coach if provided with the correct material.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.10.16 11:06:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : i think one of the problems might be that you are also picking players from overseas where you have no control over conditioning or upskilling ?

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.10.16 11:09:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : Your three points make me want to find another sport to watch.
    How can a guy wear a Springbok jersey and have fitness issues,how can you make it in to the team with handling issues,and your third point surely by the time you are playing at this level,your instinct for the game is a given.
    These are all men who do nothing else but play rugby 12 months of the year,

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.10.16 11:10:58 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 20) : You are 100% correct

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.10.16 11:11:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : The real issue to me starts with those that can add something being less and less inclined to get involved with this SARU run Bok machine…..soon it will be the players too. But there are multiple wounds that need urgent attention.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.10.16 11:15:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : If you are a 12 and all your coach expects from you is to tackle and bash the ball up to set up another ruck, will you work on your kicking, distribution and offloading skills?

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.10.16 11:16:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : Yeh look you may not like it but those 3 things are the very hard truth for all to see. Cant deny any of them. I also dont think pointing fingers and layign blame will help any…what needs to be done is both the players, coaches etc need to take responsibility and start to put in the extra time to fix what they can individually

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.10.16 11:16:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 22) : That is also true. I am not against the coach picking overseas players, but then these guys must be a lot better players than what is available locally.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.10.16 11:19:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : I think you’d be astounded and dismayed at just how few of our so-called professional rugby players would agree with you on these points.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.10.16 11:27:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just to lighten the mood :- “We have an outside centre playing inside centre and a full back at outside centre. We have a left wing on the right wing to make room for a scrum-half on the left wing and our fullback is actually a fly-half. Things get really interesting when the replacements come on. If you want to replace your left wing who is on the right wing you must send on a full back who can then take the place of your first fly-half which is at fullback. You must then move your flyhalf at fullback to the right wing.
    When the scrum-half gets injured you have to send on an 8th man to replace your openside flanker who is actually playing on the blindside. You must then move your openside blindside flank to the left wing and your scrum-half on the left wing must replace your injured scrumhalf……Confused ??? …” Now you understand Springbok rugby.

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.10.16 11:28:19 by markm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : We are taking about Springboks here,how the hell can you make it to the pinnacle of the game,as an unfit fat slob who cannot catch the ball,

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.10.16 11:31:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Disclaimer: this is my personal opinion and it probably won’t be popular and there’s a good chance I may have it completely wrong:

    I’m afraid the only way I see a proper overhaul and ‘repair’ of SA rugby is in circumstances not a million miles removed from the Lions a few years ago. Things need to get bad enough for rugby fans to (sort of) give up on the Boks and SA rugby teams in general. This is to allow the various unions the necessary time away from the limelight and the pressure of living up to the top provincial and national teams so that they can get on with the job of picking up the pieces. Yes, I guess I’m advocating for a proper SA rugby crisis and I don’t think we’re there yet.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.10.16 11:32:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • For me if we want to save the Boks we should swallow our pride and do what the English,Irish,Welsh,Scotts,USA,Canada,Japan,Italy and Argentina do, hire a New Zealander to teach us how to do it.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.10.16 11:38:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @markm (Comment 30) : πŸ˜† and who could be blamed for that…..the players?

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.10.16 11:38:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 31) : Same can be said about the Sharks the Sharks players.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.10.16 11:39:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : Not going to happen.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.10.16 11:40:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 31) : Brenden nel said on twitter before one of our Ireland test that one of our backs cant pass both ways (he didnt mention a name)

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.10.16 11:40:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 35) : Agree what kinda coach are you if your players are not fit enough to play 80 minutes,and why are you picking them.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.10.16 11:41:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : The funny thing, SA have a tendency to chase away NZ coaches….

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.10.16 11:42:01 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : Tiaan Strauss?

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.10.16 11:48:05 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 35) : U mean majority of players playing professionally in SA

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.10.16 11:49:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : Since the Sharks are my team, and this is SharksWorld and they never made the CC semi’s I point to them first πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.10.16 11:52:41 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I may have blinkers on as 2016 kinda forced my hand to purge a number of “rugby experts” from my twitter timeline and now I’m just focusing on a select few.

    Here’s a couple things I’ve seen over the past few weeks from Morne that I’ll try and summarize.

    Backroom staff – High performance and sports scientist driving direction and strategy
    Coaching setup – get defence, skills, fitness, breakdown, continuity, & mental coach
    Team – Pick the Captain first. Then build team. Most important position on field is Captain. {yourself} for cricket reference… Check out what a natural leader FafdP is.
    Small things -> Fundies – Apparently it was a thing where 15 minutes after normal practice was 15 minute session focussed on individual specifics fundementals. Operative word been “was”.

    Solution: Get every from the minister of Sport to primary schools volunteer rugby coaches to sit down in a big hall and tell them to shut up, listen, and do everything that Morne tells them. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.10.16 11:59:01 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 42) : Very fair enough….id just point with a full hand so the 5 fingers cover everyone πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.10.16 12:01:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Pretty hard to have skills when your coach is playing a loose forward and scrumhalf at wing and then is confused when they cant compete for a high ball.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.10.16 12:09:07 by byron Reply

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  • I think a large part of the problem is that the players are just not fit enough! Just looking at the currie cup – if I compare a player like kwagga smith to the rest its chalk and cheese and to be honest, I can say the same thing about Sprinkboks vs All blacks. Why are we having to bring on replacements at half time?? It just does not make sense to me.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.10.16 12:13:08 by byron Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 31) : you tell me? Somehow we’ve allowed this to happen, though.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.10.16 12:14:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 37) : he’s deluded if he thinks it’s just one.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.10.16 12:14:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 40) : He had to qualify to play for Australia four years later to win his WC,
    but Kitch knew that he and Francoise in the same team was like mixing petrol and matches.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.10.16 12:15:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 45) : that makes no sense. It smacks of wanting to blame Coetzee and looking for a reason.

    Seriously, explain to me how the selection of Hougaard at wing was in any way the defining reason for us getting hammered on Saturday.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Why do you defend Coetzee? He is clearly out of depth at coaching the Boks.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.10.16 12:20:26 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : So much of this reminds me of pay to play article.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.10.16 12:21:36 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Because its just such a Mickey Mouse thing to do,out of all the wings in this country we can’t find someone better than our reserve scrum half.
    Then he switches places and plays scrum half,just smacks of amateurism.What does it say to all the wings out there.
    You are arriving at a gun fight with a pocket knife.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.10.16 12:24:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 34) : No……..Players just want to play irrespective of ability. πŸ˜€ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.10.16 12:28:15 by markm Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 51) : from my side, I don’t believe AC is to blame. The people who appointed the guys who appointed him & his assistants are not been held accountable. The more AC gets the blame the lesslimelight goes to the ones who are responsible for him finding himself in this dire lose-lose situation.

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.10.16 12:29:25 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 32) : I am seriously struggling with an internal battle with this sentiment.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.10.16 12:33:45 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 51) : I’m not defending him. All I’m saying is that he’s not the reason we’re getting hammered. Big difference.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.10.16 12:41:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 53) : I don’t disagree. I don’t rate Hougaard period, as either wing or scrumhalf, but again, it’s not like this one selection is the reason we’re in trouble.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.10.16 12:42:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hi guys. I was at the game on Saturday and, although the result was obviously disappointing and the All Blacks COMPLETELY outplayed us, I must say that it was just an awesome experience being at a full Kings’ Park and watching the All Blacks in all their glory. I will add some of my thoughts later re: where we are at and where we go from here, but to begin with we should probably make sure we are all aware just to what extent we were outplayed on Saturday. Here are the match stats:
    Metres made: NZ 754-148 SA
    Carries: NZ 162-57 SA
    Defenders beaten: NZ 40-3 SA
    Clean breaks: NZ 24-3 SA
    Passes completed: NZ 220-92 SA
    Offloads: NZ 22-7 SA
    Turnovers conceded: NZ 17-15 SA
    Tackles made: NZ 73-175 SA
    Tackles missed: NZ 3-40 SA
    Kicks in play: NZ 21-25 SA
    Rucks won: NZ 101-44 SA
    Rucks lost: NZ 2-0 SA
    Mauls won: NZ 7-2 SA
    Lineouts won: NZ 16-8 SA
    Lineouts lost: NZ 2-1 SA
    Scrums won: NZ 3-6 SA
    Scrums lost: NZ 0-0 SA
    Penalties conceded: NZ 8-10 SA
    We were just completely outclassed. The truth might even be that the All Blacks could have replaced almost their entire team and still achieved the same sort of dominance. Point 1 must be that we recognise that and recognise that SOMETHING must be done…and that the SOMETHING will surely have to be something fundamental (not just moan, not just change the coach…but recognising what has to be changed fundamentally and doing that)…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 59) : This quote from Steve Hansen after the game probably refers to at least some of those fundamentals:
    “I think the big thing that we’ve got going for us at home is that we’ve got quality people; quality administrators from Steve Tew (NZ Rugby CEO) down the board,” Hansen said.
    “They’re making good decisions and the franchises are driven well and those coaches are striving to be better all the time themselves.
    “You go right down to our schools rugby where they’re trying to produce players that can go and become professionals.
    “The golden goose is central contracts. When you’ve got good administrators at the top who control the contracts then everyone has to work together, because you’ve only got one pay-master.
    “At home, we’ve got one agenda: we just want to make good rugby players. It doesn’t matter what team you’re coaching or what team you’re in … the idea is to win matches and make good rugby players and we benefit from that.
    “There is a lot of work that goes down and a lot of work that goes up, and as a result we’re producing good players.”

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.10.16 12:47:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 60) : scary/sad/frustrating part is we have not one of those things.

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.10.16 12:51:18 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : as well getting paid fat salaries to deliver this drivel

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.10.16 12:51:52 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : I’m not passing blame onto Coetzee at all – im blaming him outright!. What im saying is that it is unfair to judge a player on his skill level when you are effectively playing him out of position.

    Lambie may have played fullback before but he is now and has been for the last few seasons been a flyhalf. The last time I looked Flyhalves dont field many up and unders – yet that is what skill he is being judged on. He might as well go play tighthead prop!

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.10.16 12:52:54 by byron Reply

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  • Short term solution is to bring back Jakes boys, throw in the Lions and away you go cause no Shark no Bull no Stormer deserves to be near a Bok jersey, they all got hidings of note in SR so how then are you surprised at the score on Saterday

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.10.16 12:55:40 by benji Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 63) : well, I think you’re missing the point by blaming the coach for this. But to each his own.

    Who do you think should be coaching the boks?

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.10.16 12:56:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Fix the defense. It is relatively easy and may be done quickly – As demonstrated by the Sharks SR team this year. With a solid defense the Boks would have been at 7 wins instead of 4 and the losses to the ABs would have been close. 18:20 is a lot better than 15:57.
    The fans will be biching still. That is what they do best.

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.10.16 12:58:49 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Its obviously the coach Rob. Nevermind the individual errors and fact players got man handled in contact. Forget the fact that our super rugby franchises were very poor this year…including the Lions against NZ teams. The Bok coach is the reason for all of that. If he got fired everything would get fixed instantly

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.10.16 13:02:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Given the choice of any coach – and he would probably not have taken it either – but I would look give the head coach role to John Plumtree.

    Realistically I always thought that Johan Ackerman would have been a better option for South Africa. He’s the one coach in SA who has actually put a team together from scratch and has done pretty well at it. The rest of the available coaches have either inherited a side, are too new to really evaluate or are just not good enough!

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.10.16 13:09:36 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 68) : I do get what you are saying re. Ackermann, But what i think we need to bear in mind is that the Bok coach gets the players for at most a couple weeks at a time. A franchise coach has fulltime day in day out access to these players and the training and conditioning etc. So a coach that is good at ‘building’ a franchise team over time may not be as good at building instantly over a week or so. See Ackermann vs the Eng Saxons. Doesnt mean Ackermann is a bad coach, just different environments. Also should the quality of the players skills at Bok level be solely attributed to the Bok coach who has the player for a week or so, or should the players skill quality be attributed to the fulltime contact he has with the franchise coach. Yes thats a simplification know.

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.10.16 13:14:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 68) : OK, so you will give Ackermann 3 years to put together a Bok team from scratch? Do you think it will matter that he will get to coach those players for less than 2 months in total over a given year?

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.10.16 13:15:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : but still a valid question

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.10.16 13:16:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : The answer to that question is why id prefer Ackermann to be a franchise coach and not the Bok coach.

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.10.16 13:19:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : @robdylan (Comment 70) :

    so maybe things work well for the AB’s because all the SR teams pull in the same direction as the AB’s

    Also why we did well when the Bulls were on top and the bokke were playing Blue bulls rugby ?

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.10.16 13:38:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : might work if Ackermann takes over the bokke and de bruin takes over the Lions . imagine that synergy :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.10.16 13:40:25 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : The first part of your comment is spot on. The ABs do well because the franchises all pull in same direction with the same emphasis etc. So a lot easier when guys arrive at an All Black camp all on the same page in terms of conditioning and skills training and understanding of how they want to play.

    In terms of your second question. The Bulls and Boks did well during that period as they played a limited game that utilised the good attributes of the quality and world class players they had at their disposal.During that time there were a number of players that could lay claim to being one of the best in the world in their position not just being a good play. At the moment we have decent/good players in this country…cant think of many/any that are truly the best in their position in the world.

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.10.16 13:44:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 74) : De Bruin reminds me a lot of Plumtree….very good as an assistant coach where he can work just on technical aspects of the game but not the best as a head coach.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.10.16 13:45:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 74) : right now they have synergy because they’re trying to achieve exactly the same goal. That will cease to be the case the moment Ackermann takes over the Boks. Then we’ll see.

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.10.16 13:45:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : was toung in the cheek friend πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.10.16 13:48:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @markm (Comment 30) :

    All in a day’s work…
    This is not South African rugby, but South Africa…

    In an attempt to get the universities to drop their fees, we burn the universities. I like the Sunday Tribune cartoon β€œI’m going to burn my own car if the government doesn’t reduce the price of fuel”

    πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.10.16 13:52:34 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 78) : ah yes πŸ™‚

    On days like this, it’s sometimes tough to differentiate the well-meant irony from the blatant idiocy

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.10.16 13:58:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • With the Boks next assignment being a few tests up north the Boks cannot go into those games with these softies we currently have as we will get manhandled and it wont be pretty.
    Therefore guys i would look to if hopefully fit: 1. Kitshoff 2. Strauss 3. Redelinghuis 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kriel 7. Alberts 8. Vermuelen 9. Hougaard 10. Steyn 11. Habana 12. Steyn 13. Venter 14. Combrinck 15. Kriel Bench: Smith, Marx, Koch,Mostert, Whiteley, De Klerk, Lambie, Van Rensburg

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.10.16 14:02:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : I’m not saying others need to take a share of the blame but to not pass a large chunk of the blame onto the coach who in my opinion was naive and one dimensional would be silly.

    His comment after the match was we cant kick it short because we cannot compete and we must kick it long because we cant run it out of our own half. Joel Stransky even commented and said “but nz can?” Its arrogance thinking you can pick any player in a position and expect to get the same result.

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.10.16 14:04:56 by byron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) : as i said before i dont believe a coach change will make a difference . we had Meyer and now coetzee . Different people with different favors and flavors . But the results did not change . So i dont believe the issue is the coach .

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.10.16 14:05:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : interesting to see no Goosen in your team ?

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.10.16 14:06:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 84) : Honestly i think he can add value…just not sure where exactly. He is looking a lot more slight of frame than i do remember him. He probably is a good option off the bench though.

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.10.16 14:09:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 83) : U could probably extend that to the end of the PDV era as well as the Boks didnt exactly play well in 2010 and 2011

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.10.16 14:11:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 83) : “But the results did not change ” ummmm WC Semi AB20-18Boks
    (Neutral Ground)…. one year later Boks 15-57AB (Boks at home)… Huge difference if you ask me.

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.10.16 14:13:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 87) : we also lost to Japan by 2 points . 4 in a row between the end of the 2014 season and the start of the 2015 season . First time lost to Argentina on home soil .

    you cant seriously be happy with beating the AB’s once in 8 (?) outings

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.10.16 14:18:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 88) : Well no but I am more happier if we actually try and beat them, and lose by 2. What was dished up on Saturday to me is worst than the Japan loss.

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.10.16 14:24:03 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 89) : i have a question about that 18-20 SF loss that i have had for a while .

    Do we feel that the AB’s had to go all out for the win ? or were they saving something for the final ?

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.10.16 14:26:22 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 90) : Are you suggesting they were kind to the Boks in that game? I highly doubt that.

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.10.16 14:28:31 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 89) : im happy we lost and by a big margin as well . if will force us to do some introspection .

    If we had lost by 2 points it would just have resulted in more back patting and congratulating ourselves on being close to the AB’s .

    i dont want to be close . i dont want to be 2nd . i want to be first !

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.10.16 14:29:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 91) : no . but going all out in n SF and then loosing in the final means nothing . i dont believe they went all out . but who knows .

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.10.16 14:31:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 90) : I suppose you also suggest we need to play the Lions way to beat the AB’s? Just asking because the Sharks had a way better record against NZ teams during the S18 season than the Lions.
    To me we need to formulate our own style, play to our own strengths. We our own worst enemy at the moment.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.10.16 14:32:00 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 94) : nope i am not suggesting that . i agree that we need find a way to work together to make the boks better .

    Because what we are doing is not working .

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.10.16 14:34:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 56) : Two things:
    1. As I stated I could be way off the mark on that sentiment but my gut tells me the alternative may be a constant 2 steps forward, 1 step back which will result in us chasing the top teams for years to come and while we may get lucky every now and again we may never be in a position to dominate.
    2. I’m not one of those people who wants to see the world burn just for the sake of it, so that’s not why I’m suggesting it but sometimes it’s better to strip something down to its very foundations in order to fix it properly.

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.10.16 14:35:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 94) : and actually you would not believe this . in the round robin phase of SR this season the sharks won 2 from 5 games against NZL opposition . and the Lions won 2 from 5 games against NZL opposition

    i say we make the bok team 7 sharks and 8 lions (since the Lions made it to the final πŸ˜› )

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.10.16 14:42:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 97) : Interesting question for you…how good were the Lions away from home this year? The Boks won at Ellis Park and Loftus but were not good away from the highveld. Does that mirror the Lions at all?

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.10.16 14:47:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 98) : some new zealand teams punished us at home . and we did grab the victory against the chiefs away .

    i think its much the same as the Sharks record .

    look the last part about the 7 and 8 was a joke . but he did say the sharks had a much better record against NZL teams this season than the Lions did . and i dont think that is true .

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.10.16 14:52:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 99) : No look the reason i was bringing it up is just wondering if the outstanding Lions players performances at Ellis Park and on the highveld perhaps overshadowed their poor form away from home? And if that in conjunction with the other poor standards on the sa players gives us a better understanding of the state of affairs of the sa players we have

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.10.16 14:58:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • **ZIBBIE DISCLAIMER TO SHARKSWORLD**

    Good day all . Please note that im not suggestion the Bok team be filled with Lions players or that Johan Ackerman should take over as bok coach

    please take note of this

    Regards
    Zibbie

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.10.16 15:01:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 101) : The Griffons looked decent winning the First Division…maybe the Boks should have a look πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.10.16 15:05:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : ha , i think Lions players are mostly still developing and gaining experience .

    Maybe being away from the bok team will aid the development .

    But in the mean while , good luck with sorting out the mess are in . i hope you guys come right πŸ™‚

  • Comment 103, posted at 10.10.16 15:11:44 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I dont get why AC is getting so much stick. He has always been an average head coach (who could attribute much of his success to a defence guru as his wingman…..now missing) at franchise level, why should he be a better coach at a higher level. It makes no sense.

  • Comment 104, posted at 10.10.16 15:12:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 97) : :mrgreen: yes that’s right, however the Sharks lost each game by 5 or less, the Lions on the other hand……

    Sharks – Sader Los 5, Blues Los 5, High Win 1, Chiefs Los 2, Canes Win 17, Points diff +6
    Lions – Chief Win 4, High Los 19, Sader Los 6, Canes Los 33, Blues Win 38, Points diff -16

    So with that Id say we need at least 12 sharks and 3 Lions in the team πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 105, posted at 10.10.16 15:15:31 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 101) : Join me everyone

    Singing:

    HOW THE HELL CAN WE BELIEVE YOU?

    πŸ˜€

  • Comment 106, posted at 10.10.16 15:16:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 98) : If you look Lions only played two games in NZ, which they beat the Chiefs by 4 and lost to the Highlanders by 19. The Sharks played 3 games narrowly lost against the Blues by 5 and Chief by 2 and beat the Highlanders by1.

  • Comment 107, posted at 10.10.16 15:18:39 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 103) : I think by and large the Lions players are the better form players in this country should more rather than less should be included. However, i have been disappointed in a few that havnt stepped up. I was impressed with Faf De Klerk during Ireland series but he seemed to try too hard during rugby championship. Whiteley has done some good stuff in terms of tackles but he just seems to get bullied in the contact. Jantjies hasnt played well but im not surprised as i feel he is carrying a few niggles and the rest and time out will do him good. Jaco Kriel has largely been good. Mapoe just hasnt done anything, not sure why. Im sad Mostert didnt get more of a run, think he is better than Lood currently. And then for me Redelinghuis has been the best Lions player

  • Comment 108, posted at 10.10.16 15:20:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 101) : Well thats a pity because they were the only team that looked like a ahmmm errr, whats the word now….yes, a well coached team. But nou ja Im sure pretty soon you will have been brainwashed into thinking that the Lions were crap, didnt look decently coached, had no team spirit, had low skills levels etc etc.

  • Comment 109, posted at 10.10.16 15:21:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 109) : I am working on that, just gimme sometime… πŸ‘Ώ πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 110, posted at 10.10.16 15:22:26 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 107) : Just gonna throw this out there…do you believe that the Lions run it from everywhere is better suited to the Highveld and the Sharks approach of kick deep and defensive pressure is better suited away from the highveld? I guess thats a generalisation. I just get the feeling that yes the Lions were good…but at home only really. And that away from home they were as poor as all the other sa sides/players.

  • Comment 111, posted at 10.10.16 15:24:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 110) : I see that, Im almost convinced. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 112, posted at 10.10.16 15:25:48 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 111) : Interesting you say this, the Lions did much better in the Highveld, but those two losses against the Saders and Canes, this has to be an advantage to them and the Bulls for that matter.
    thing is NZ teams have worked out how to win there, so for me this is not much of an advantage anylonger, problem is why haven’t the Sharks/Stormers worked out how to win on the Highveld especially considering that we been playing up there for so many years?

  • Comment 113, posted at 10.10.16 15:34:35 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Thought to ponder…a slight tinker with the 23 man lineup from Saturday: 1. Beast 2. Strauss 3. Koch 4. Etzebeth 5. DuToit 6. Alberts 7. Mahoje 8. Kriel 9. De Klerk 10.Lambie 11. Habana 12. Van Rensburg 13. De Jongh 14. Mapoe 15. LeRoux Bench: Kitshoff, Marx, Redelinghuis, Mostert, Whiteley, Hougaard, Goosen, Venter
    That isnt radical change but does change the team and especially the co-ordinated bench impact a lot.

  • Comment 114, posted at 10.10.16 15:36:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 96) : Yeah I get that. Hence my inner conflict. I’m incapable of wishing anything other than a win for the Boks, but I truely fear for the future of our Rugby with its current trajectory. I cannot see it changing course until a, like you say, full strip down to foundations. We have too many people with their own agendas, greed, and wealth pulling the national team apart. Until they are staring face to face with a complete disintergration of their cash cow I don’t think they will budge.
    If we continue to get by on band aids we will simply slip further and further.

  • Comment 115, posted at 10.10.16 15:37:12 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : Justus of interest do you think that your first choice front row could out scrum your bench front row.

  • Comment 116, posted at 10.10.16 15:39:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 113) : Look you do make a good point. I still think if the Boks played all their home games at Ellis Park their win/loss record would be a lot better (just my opinion). However, more to the point i was trying to make is that the general perception si that the Lions were very good during super rugby and were far and away the best sa team. And that is true..BUT they were significantly better at Ellis Park and not that great away from home. Now those players are mostly playing away from Ellis park for the Boks and well that no so supreme form away from home seems to have followed them. Which is understandable…but when the rest of the SA players arent great in general then those Lions players not being super really just adds to the mess. If that makes any sense haha

  • Comment 117, posted at 10.10.16 15:40:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 115) : The Springbok team doesn’t even have a permanent sponsor,

  • Comment 118, posted at 10.10.16 15:42:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 103) : Zibbie. You know who is really to blame for this weekends loss don’t you!? You even predicted it.
    I mean one week we’ve got Paige starting and we beat the Aussies. Next week we got some other guy, and we get thrashed. Coincedence? I think not….

  • Comment 119, posted at 10.10.16 15:42:05 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 116) : Generally possible not. On Saturdays display maybe. Question back to you…which front would you want in the last 30min against an AB side upping the tempo?

  • Comment 120, posted at 10.10.16 15:42:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 119) : haha love it :mrgreen:

  • Comment 121, posted at 10.10.16 15:43:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 119) : You should point that out to fyndraai…..

  • Comment 122, posted at 10.10.16 15:52:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : Mohoje??????
    From the games hes played for the boks he has done absolutely zero exept for a few tackles here and there but they werent even big hits not to mention the crutial tackles he missed against Argintina when Isa bumped him of twice …..I would play Van der walt (ninja) ahead of Oupa at 6 and vermeulen at 8 with alberts at 7 with Kriel of bench as impact

  • Comment 123, posted at 10.10.16 15:52:47 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 123) : Remember i did say it was minimal changes to the side. I cannot foresee the coaching staff making radical changes. My ideal loose trio would be 6. Coetzee 7. Vermuelen 8. Van der Walt but i have a better chance of coaching the Sharks than that happening

  • Comment 124, posted at 10.10.16 15:54:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Just gonna throw this out there… Gary Gold handed out the Bok jerseys before the game on Saturday…interpret that as you wish πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 125, posted at 10.10.16 15:55:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 123) : or:
    1-kitshoff
    2-Bismarck
    3-malherbe
    4-RG snyman
    5-Schikerling
    6-Alberts/coetzee
    7-Jauques du plessis
    8-Vermeulen/ninja

  • Comment 126, posted at 10.10.16 15:56:53 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 125) : I forgot about marcelle
    He should also start at 6 or cover from bench

  • Comment 127, posted at 10.10.16 15:58:16 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 126) : What have Malherbe? Snyman? Schickerling? done recently? And Jacques DuPlessis has been playing lock all year. Pretty radical and very unlikely changes that. Also Bissie is out till next year i think

  • Comment 128, posted at 10.10.16 16:00:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 128) : Very unlikely infact it would never happen but i dont think its a bad choice shickerling looks like he has promise,Snyman is on form,du plessis would offer more at 7 than lock and Bissas was on good form . But it would obviusly not happen

  • Comment 129, posted at 10.10.16 16:02:48 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • What would all of your guys’s team be for the Baabaa’s game, seeing as more than half of the current squad won’t be available for that game? I’m gonna try and pick a team for that match:
    1. Beast, 2.Chilliboy(C), 3.Redelinghuys, 4.Etzebeth, 5.Lewies, 6.Notshe, 7.Pieter-Steph, 8.Ginger Ninja Phillip, 9.Vermaak, 10.Lambie, 11.Sergeal Pietersen, 12.Andre Esterhuizen, 13.Francois Venter, 14.Ruan Combrinck, 15.Curwin Bosch.16.Ox Ntshe 17. Mbonambi 18. Adriaanse 19. Oosthuizen 20. Kolisi 21.Faf 22. Robert Du Preez 23. Mapoe

  • Comment 130, posted at 10.10.16 16:06:12 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 129) : How have you judged Snyman’s form? CC? Eish that level is bad. Schickerling maybe has promise but is not near international standard. Bissie is injured but was playing well. I prefer DuPlessis at lock, think there are better loosies that are both big and have skills. Just interesting how so many peoples own selection differ yet we crit the coaches ones so badly…perhaps we are all wrong haha

  • Comment 131, posted at 10.10.16 16:06:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 130) : So none of our overseas based guys would be available? Would be interesting to see the size of the squad taken over..i cant see the team to play the Baabaas differing too much from what we saw on Saturday to be honest. So what i foresee: 1. Beast 2. Strauss. Redelinghuis 4. Etzebeth 5. DuToit 6. Kriel 7. Mahoje. 8. Whiteley 9. De Klerk 10. Lambie 11. Mapoe 12. De Allende 13. De Jongh 14. Combrinck 15. Kriel

  • Comment 132, posted at 10.10.16 16:10:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : All the overseas based players that is not available:

    1. Willem Alberts
    2. Johan Goosen
    3. Bryan Habana
    4. Francois Hougaard
    5. Elton Jantjies
    6. Steven Kitshof
    7. Vincent Koch
    8. Jaco Kriel
    9. Willie le Roux
    10. Francois Louw
    11. Lionel Mapoe
    12. Morne Steyn
    13. Warren Whiteley 14. Franco Mostert

  • Comment 133, posted at 10.10.16 16:12:40 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 133) : Sho ok. Still think it will be close to the side i named. Interesting to see who he picks in the loose trio and on the wing then. Squad selection will definitely be interesting.

  • Comment 134, posted at 10.10.16 16:17:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 133) : hahaha I can’t help but look at that as a team selection.
    Some spinning top rotation in the scrums with that front row.
    Hougaard probably not a bad lineout option as the guys will be able to hurl him quite far up to catch
    Louw at flyhalf, well that channel will be well defended.

  • Comment 135, posted at 10.10.16 16:28:00 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 96) :

    #1 Has been the case since readmission. What makes you think that it will be different in the next 25 years

  • Comment 136, posted at 10.10.16 16:46:53 by fyndraai Reply
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  • I was so disappointed at the weekend & pondering on the Sprinbok situation, when I thought what a great situation this would make for a Play Station game! We all have our own ideas how to fix the problems & the game could be organised so that we can actually play out these scenarios until we get a world beating team……but seriously what would you do if you were Alistair?
    Firstly he is not going to be sacked, nor is SARU going to resign & all the fancy talk about structures & reduction of the number of franchises & central contracting is not going to ever be a quick fix. So what is practical to implement? It’s not so difficult; there are only a few immediate options available…. but he must now be brave & earn his big bucks!
    AC must decide on the game plan going forward & TELL the players & US, what it is, so that we can understand & support what he is trying to achieve. He must have the conviction to stick to it & not chop & change at setbacks.
    AC needs better assistant coaches & he must ensure that he gets them. He must have the RIGHT men to help him implement his plan. The forwards coach is possibly ok, but fitness, defence & back-line are high priority.
    Fitness must be an immediate priority-we might find it difficult to improve our skills but surely we can be amongst the fittest international squads around?
    Surely at this stage of the game AC must simply pick the BEST, colour blind players available, irrespective of whether they are playing locally or overseas. We can sort out a suitable way to handle the player drain, later. He must only select the BEST players in their positions – based on performance & not reputation- no one to play out of position. His team selection must be consistent & the squad must be persevered with, despite initial results
    AC must follow Eddie Jones’s example & pick a mongrel for a captain, who will die for SA & take the players with him. Despite his previous problems I reckon only Bismark fits the bill.

    What do you think AC he must do?

  • Comment 137, posted at 10.10.16 17:17:13 by Lastoutpost Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 119) :

    Good point.
    Paige was streets better than Faf. Probably not enough to beat the ABs on the day though. That would have been too great a task, even for a Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 138, posted at 10.10.16 17:35:46 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 138) : pfft! We would’ve won.

  • Comment 139, posted at 10.10.16 17:47:11 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Bored on a train thought. Wonder what Alistair’s bosses are doing right now.
    A. Sipping pina coladas
    B. Working furiously to get the support he needs
    C. Actively distancing themselves from him
    D. Did not watch game
    E. Planning 19th Super Rugby side

  • Comment 140, posted at 10.10.16 17:55:05 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Lastoutpost (Comment 137) : I don’t see what AC can do. Without help from his superiors he’s doomed. They choose his assistants. Sure he said he’s happy with them, but come on. I don’t believe that for a second. He can’t go public and say “my bosses are idiots and chose poorly”.
    I agree he needs to find a captain. Not sure if Bissie is the answer personally. But I don’t know if we have a natural leader in SA rugby.

  • Comment 141, posted at 10.10.16 18:09:25 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 140) :
    F. Shelving yet another reasonable plan because they know there is no way it will ever get through a Presidents Council vote.

  • Comment 142, posted at 10.10.16 18:10:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • look on the bright said – at least the Sharks made some money this weekend πŸ™‚ πŸ˜€

  • Comment 143, posted at 10.10.16 18:12:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 101) : You’re having a difficult day here πŸ˜†

    @The hound (Comment 31) : Exactly. People should also remember that a player won’t ‘deselect’ himself from the Bok squad even if he knows he’s not good enough to play there. That is the selectors’ responsibility. If they(coach and selectors) can’t judge talent, form and fitness levels of players, what are they doing there?

  • Comment 144, posted at 10.10.16 18:14:33 by Quintin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 143) : My friends and I did our bit by being the last to leave the bar… πŸ˜€

  • Comment 145, posted at 10.10.16 18:17:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 143) : There’s that! πŸ™‚ also that we live in this universe and not an alternate one where keos site still exists. Can you even imagine the comments section?!

  • Comment 146, posted at 10.10.16 18:19:51 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 142) : That comment points to at least one concrete proposal that is begging to be made when it comes to fundamental changes that are required…

  • Comment 147, posted at 10.10.16 18:21:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 143) : How did they make money?

  • Comment 148, posted at 10.10.16 18:53:40 by Quintin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 136) : What makes you think I’m under the impression that it will be different?

  • Comment 149, posted at 10.10.16 20:45:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 147) : Like others have pointes out, I don’t see how these union presidents will vote on changes to their constitution that would strip them of influence. I wonder if anyone else has the authority to change SARU’s constitution without it winding up in arbitration for years on end?

  • Comment 150, posted at 10.10.16 20:50:03 by vanmartin Reply
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  • At least during the Heyneke phase we were the solid #2 in the world……now we would struggle to beat #5 & #6. I actually do rate AC as a coach, but his assistants need to be reviewed and/or augmented……Stick came out of nowhere with very little prior coaching so he was certainly set up for failure…not his fault, although perhaps he should have declined and become a backup to the backs coach instead of the only guy.

    The players aren’t terrible, but a full review from someone a lot smarter about rugby is required. This is a business so get high performance coaches to review the business and offer options.

  • Comment 151, posted at 10.10.16 21:30:44 by rixta Reply

     
  • Id rather talk sharks

    how do we find a TH back up for lourense ? is tank going to fill in as a stop gap, that wont help him, or will meyer step up so soon

    can counie finally prove himself ?

    beast starts at LH but he need to be managed in such a way that he can actually be effective, whose his back, schoeman, majola (looks promising)

    what side of the scrum does potgieter play ?

    oh how I miss allen dell, he could scrum but ran with the ball like a 8. we let maks van dyk leave for bloem too now his in europe

    hookers should rotate chilli with franco, but dont we also havd a coatzee that was once at wp

    locks are andrews,botha, lewies, jc astle, ousthuizen, droste

    at loosie, I feel as much as I love keegs, ginger should be captain cause that way we dont have to play keegs ecery game or start everytime

    play ginger with both dups. with terra klienhans, majola waiting in the wings, who knows maybe we can blood some young guns from the u21 team I hearing about

    scrummie, doesnt matter who we pick everyones going to complain that they dont get to the back quick enough or throw it soon enough of accurate enough. but its cubos, classens, ungerer,venter etc

    flyhalf id start with April ( even though he hardly played cc, radebe not yet ready for sr) lambie at fb. radebe third back up. but what if they all go down ?

    if Am and louw are legit the back up inside centres for andre then we gotta rotate or atleast arrange as many practice games for both to get use to the speed (louw) position for Am, lambie also a option there

    outside centre has tons of options Am, sithole, wandile mjekevu, ward

    wings odwa, sithole, mvovo, wandile, neil, nkosi, cele (kid is huge)

    fullback id start with lambie, then ryno smith. other options are mvovo, eksteen, joubert and even young elder

  • Comment 152, posted at 10.10.16 21:40:17 by revolverocelot Reply

     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 150) : I love the way you get right to the heart of the matter…and that, sir, is the heart of the matter…

  • Comment 153, posted at 10.10.16 23:11:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 150) : It is with sadness in my heart that I concede that the odds of these fine gentlemen introducing the required change for the greater good of South African rugby is right up there with the odds of…let’s say Leicester defending their Premier League title…

  • Comment 154, posted at 10.10.16 23:15:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 152) : No Bosch anywhere?

  • Comment 155, posted at 10.10.16 23:18:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • forgot sbout him, if we do start him at fb in sr we should learn from the chiefs mckensie never seemed exposed all season for them dispite his slight frame. both of them will bulk up with time, if you rush to bulk up young guys they lose reaction time and speed etc

    speaking of good fullbacks, bulls do miss warrick gelant

    watched that grant hermanus kid play a few times this year for wp u21 cc, that kids amazing, any other union he would be playing senior rugby. seems wp are holding him back to focus on holistic development. every union is f
    different

  • Comment 156, posted at 10.10.16 23:28:16 by revolverocelot Reply

     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 149) :

    I followed your posts and they seemed to suggest that if the Boks have a Lions experience it may trigger a set of events that may bring them to a level on par with the ABs.

    I don’t think the Boks will ever be there. Genetics and culture accounts for probably a 7 to 10 point natural handicap and no set of circumstances in rugby is going to change that. Some days they will be good or lucky and lose by less or even win a close one. Nothing more.

  • Comment 157, posted at 10.10.16 23:39:28 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : So, on the basis of the stats in my first comment and the Steve Hansen quote in my second, here are my thoughts:
    1. The All Blacks are simply MUCH better than we are. They have been better for a while and it seems the gap is just getting bigger.
    2. I am of the opinion that it is not simply our coaches or even our structures alone that are the problem. Borrowing a phrase from Hansen, it is about “producing better players” who are “capable of becoming professional rugby players.”
    3. To do that we have to start right at the bottom – fundamental changes at school level are the starting point. We really need to look at what the New Zealanders do and learn from them. Fundamental changes that put a premium on learning skills and creating space and opportunities rather than size are needed.
    4. Of course at that level and at every level from there on up, things like good coaches, good structures, alignment with the national plan, etc. are important. A guy like MornΓ© could give – and has given – far more concrete proposals for all this.
    5. Our contracting setup (central contracts) and our Super Rugby structures and alignment with the national plan…well, frankly I think we need to learn from New Zealand there too…
    6. All of those are LOOOONG term steps. In the meantime a few short term steps are necessary to mitigate the haemorrhaging we’re seeing almost everywhere now…
    – maybe take up hound’s suggestion to get in New Zealand coaches to show us how…
    – For the Boks: defence requires work…get Nienaber in…
    – get experienced guys in to work alongside inexperienced guys like Stick to mentor them and build them up. We need those guys going forward.

    Just a few thoughts…and here’s a last one…even if SARU can’t make the necessary changes, is there anything that prevents the Sharks from making them in KZN. If nobody else wants to do it, don’t we introduce changes at school boy level to reach the desired goal of producing better players (I’m thinking stuff like “no contact rugby at junior school…only skills”…and “replacing age group rugby in high school with weight group rugby)…

    It’s late, but I hope my thoughts at least make a bit of sense…

  • Comment 158, posted at 10.10.16 23:40:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : he appears to be more delusional than i am

  • Comment 159, posted at 11.10.16 08:08:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 158) : Earlier this year some of the primary schools adopted no contact rugby at junior levels in our town. However, these schools were basically bullied into contact rugby by the other schools (contact rugby or no games for your school). Not too sure whether it was a reluctance from coaches to adapt or pressure from parents who want to see their big boys murder smaller laaities on the field.

  • Comment 160, posted at 11.10.16 08:27:35 by bokbok Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 140) : Wondering what will be available at the buffet, how big the plates will be and at what time it closes.

  • Comment 161, posted at 11.10.16 08:32:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • So after the monday moan here is a tuesday question…the end of year tour squad always includes a bolter or selection from left field…so who do we reckon will be that guy come the end of year tour squad selected? I cannot foresee any radical changes from the squad picked for the rugby championship (barring the Baabaas game).

  • Comment 162, posted at 11.10.16 08:33:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 162) : I was about to ask for a Tuesday Moan thread πŸ˜†

  • Comment 163, posted at 11.10.16 08:35:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 159) : Well at least the opposition wont be expecting that team to be picked so wont plan for it πŸ˜‰ U a bit nervous for your boys this weekend?

  • Comment 164, posted at 11.10.16 08:39:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 163) : Patience…it will turn to that shortly πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 165, posted at 11.10.16 08:41:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 164) : im expecting us to loose . but at least i can start a braai and watch some rugby . drink a beer and so on

    what you guys doing on Saturday ?

  • Comment 166, posted at 11.10.16 08:43:00 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 166) : Interesting you say that…honestly im expecting the Lions to win and win comfortably- just a feeling. I guess the Sharks players will be tasked with cleaning up the field from the test match and counting the proceeds from a sold out stadium.

  • Comment 167, posted at 11.10.16 08:51:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 167) : im happy for you guys . you need the monies πŸ™‚

  • Comment 168, posted at 11.10.16 08:53:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 168) : Understatement of the year πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 169, posted at 11.10.16 09:10:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 169) : πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    ag i dont know hey . i think we need to change the way our SR teams play .

  • Comment 170, posted at 11.10.16 09:18:54 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 148) : uh, by hosting a sold-out test match at their stadium?

  • Comment 171, posted at 11.10.16 09:27:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 162) : Curwin Bosch πŸ™‚

  • Comment 172, posted at 11.10.16 09:28:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 172) : Possibly…i was wondering who the uncapped Sa guy in the Baabaas team would be- see its Van Rensburg so yeh Bosch wouldnt be a bad option…dont think he is on the radar so def fits the from leftfield pick

  • Comment 173, posted at 11.10.16 09:44:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 157) : Understood. I interpreted your comment as you thinking that I’m under the impression that things would suddenly improve without any drastic action/changes at all.

    Where we seem to differ then is that I think it may at least offer us some form of hope to get on par. But in saying that, there are obviously no guarantees on anything in life and this is only my laymen’s opinion on the matter.

    While I have you, could you elaborate on your genetics and culture comments? I’d be interested to know your thoughts on this in greater detail.

  • Comment 174, posted at 11.10.16 10:48:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @bokbok (Comment 160) : That’s why the decisions about this must come from the top and not just individual schools…

  • Comment 175, posted at 11.10.16 11:24:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 175) : I am under no illusions that our whole system (including high schools with their bursaries and scouting for players) is made up of small kingdoms with vested interests and these small kingdoms will resist such changes with everything they have…but it is not in the interests of the greater kingdom…and so strong,leadership is required…leadership we don’t seem to have…

  • Comment 176, posted at 11.10.16 11:27:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 166) : Going to a beer fest… πŸ˜€

  • Comment 177, posted at 11.10.16 11:28:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 172) : I was going to say that… πŸ˜†

  • Comment 178, posted at 11.10.16 11:30:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 177) : if its craft beer we can no longer be friends …

  • Comment 179, posted at 11.10.16 11:39:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 179) : It is not…yay, we stay friends! But two weeks later, on 29 October, it is a craft beer festival…can we still be friends then? Wartburg is the place, my home is within walking distance…you could always join us!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 180, posted at 11.10.16 11:43:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 180) : you will be unfriended on 29 Oct then … πŸ˜›

    im actually going to be around Wartburg early to middle Jan next year . i have a friend who stays there . dis real name is similar to my stage name . maybe you know him ?

  • Comment 181, posted at 11.10.16 11:49:06 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 179) : Nothing wrong with craft beer my friend, aside from the price, and the unfortunate fact that hipsters like it too… oh, and the Red Clarens range which is beyond awful. Besides that though, it’s pretty good.

  • Comment 182, posted at 11.10.16 11:53:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 182) : no he is being unfriended cause i cant go πŸ˜› general lover and drinker of craft beer i am πŸ™‚

  • Comment 183, posted at 11.10.16 11:57:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 183) : You hipster πŸ˜€

  • Comment 184, posted at 11.10.16 12:26:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 184) : have you SEEN me in a skinny jeans !!!! πŸ˜†

  • Comment 185, posted at 11.10.16 12:38:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 182) : Craft beer is for poseurs. Connoisseurs trawl through dusty liquor store stock rooms in rural dorpies, looking for unopened cans of Ohlssons and Lion Lager

  • Comment 186, posted at 11.10.16 12:47:29 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 186) : You see SAB have released a new batch of Lion Lager. Pity they went with a new design

  • Comment 187, posted at 11.10.16 13:14:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 174) :

    I recall on Saturday that they displayed the respective pack weights on television and the ABs were a total of 15kgs heavier than the Boks. Almost 2kgs per player. I’ll bet the difference between the backs were even larger.

    The genetics of the Pacific Islanders. Typically they are big AND fast whereas South Africans are big OR fast. Yet we hear the common complaint that the coach is too sized obsessed. This is not really about only selecting big players. We don’t. We have an abundance of abnormally small players.

    “Culture” was a catch all for how rugby is managed and played in South Africa and the general resistance to change or to learn from others. A crises in rugby may prompt a few changes in rugby, but it’s not going prompt any change in the culture that led to the crises. The old practices and opinions will return as soon as the crises is over.

    If history repeats itself, then right now it is the year 2001.

  • Comment 188, posted at 11.10.16 14:56:41 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 186) : I brew my own beer using the tears of my defeated enemies.

  • Comment 189, posted at 11.10.16 15:01:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 188) : Much appreciated.

  • Comment 190, posted at 11.10.16 15:03:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 189) : hahaha nice one!

  • Comment 191, posted at 11.10.16 15:15:49 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 187) : Down a Lion feel satisfied!

  • Comment 192, posted at 11.10.16 15:17:27 by JD Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 188) : I don’t get your ‘genetic theory’ but any way ,the polynesians are the most obese people in the world due to naturally being inclined to more bodyfat. If you talk big AND fast, then the boks are on the right continent .
    Big issue to deal with in sa is hunger. How many children are malnourished in sa and africa?
    The issue in sa rugby has a lot to do with rugby (or lack thereof) at school level. How many sa schoolboys never touch a rugby ball during their school career? And then compare that percentage to nz and polynesian school boys.
    Nz is a small country with one sporting goal: to make the all blacks better and keep them the best. And they work tirelessly at just that one sporting goal.

  • Comment 193, posted at 11.10.16 17:39:25 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 181) : Ah excellent! I know a few guys whose names might be similar to your stage name… πŸ˜†

  • Comment 194, posted at 11.10.16 21:22:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 193) :

    You seem to completely ignore the disproportionate number of Polynesians in New Zeeland rugby teams; The disproportional rugby success by Fiji, Samoa and Tonga; The Polynesian transplants playing for Australia, England and other teams; The fact that big and fast ethnic Africans neither play rugby, nor live anywhere near to South Africa.

    If it was really just a matter of nutrition and facilities then the fix will require an unlikely cultural change in SA and a 20 to 30 year wait for results.

  • Comment 195, posted at 12.10.16 03:45:51 by fyndraai Reply
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