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Be the solution – or keep your trap shut!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 12 Oct 2016 at 12:35
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Ok, I’ve had it with so-called “brave” Springboks speaking out about the issues in the team, all while earning a cosy fortune in France.

I’m talking to you, Duane Vermeulen and to you, Juan Smith. Either book a damn ticket, get your feet back on South African soil and roll up your damn sleeves, or rather just hold your tongue.

Right now, players sitting on the sidelines and chirping is not a part of the solution we need in our game; thus they’re de facto just another part of the problem.


180 Comments

  • And yes, I am angry and yes, this is a rant.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.10.16 12:36:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : What’s the autumn like in the UK? ๐Ÿ‘ฟ ๐Ÿ˜†

    I agree, but the same can be said about the whole Supersport commentary team (Yes I am mostly looking at Nick Mallet here).

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.10.16 12:45:20 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Its very easy to shout the odds and pint out problems from a comfy position. A lot harder to offer viable solutions or get involved themselves. Ive no problem with them chasing the money but then they must lie in the bed they have made.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.10.16 12:47:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : damn right. Mallett is the worst wen it comes to this, I wonder if he’ll actually show up at the indaba. Probably worried to be in the same room as Venter in case he gets owned again,

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.10.16 12:47:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Haha, I was wondering the same thing.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.10.16 12:49:23 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : One thing I can say is, I hope Ashwin Willemse does NOT form part of that Indaba.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.10.16 12:50:46 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • why go for Vermullen this is what he said
    ”I want to be part of the Boks but the way things are going now I can’t see a positive outcome,” Vermeulen told TimesLIVE.

    “We need an intervention and I can’t sit silently on the side and say nothing anymore. I feel it’s always the coaches that have their say in a team environment and as a player there is no time to focus and to talk about issues in SA rugby. We only focus on the game itself. I feel the need to speak up, for the players.

    “I still want to play, be a part of the best players in the country and represent the Boks with all I have. But at the moment I can’t see why players would commit 100%. That’s a huge problem. Where did everything go wrong? It was ugly watching the game on Saturday.
    That to me is a whole lot more than just keeping quiet.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.10.16 12:51:46 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : I never read Vermeulen’s rant, but you are spot on there.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.10.16 12:54:20 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I also think Jean Smiths comments are valid and as a player who has played 70 tests and was the man of the match in the world cup winning final I kinda think he is entitled to an opinion.
    ”Our set pieces, the scrum and lineouts were not bad this year. The big problem lies with the backline,โ€ said Smith.

    โ€œThey arenโ€™t running good lines, no one is taking gaps. There is no one who is keeping defences guessing at the back and it looks like thereโ€™s no plan.โ€

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.10.16 13:17:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : I am unsure what these two old timers are suppose to do on South African soil and with their sleeves rolled up. โ“

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.10.16 13:23:42 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • At least both these guys were a lot kinder than New Zealand journalist Mark Reasoner
    โ€œThe continued selection of Juan de Jongh in the midfield is a farce. The guy’s defensive reading of the game and tackling ability are at least two levels below international test rugby. He was taken apart at the weekend by a rookie.

    โ€œDe Jongh played a part in at least three of the All Blacks tries, including their two opening tries, missing crucial and straightforward first-up tackles.

    โ€œWhen Liam Squire gassed de Jongh on the outside in the second half, South Africa rugby literally had its head in its hands in the shape of Tendai Mtawarira, on the sideline, who could not believe what he was no longer watching.

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.10.16 13:24:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 10) : if they have such brilliant insights, they could be coaching a school team at the very least. Juan Smith in particular is clearly unheralded genius when it comes to coaching a back line, so why is he not putting that into practice?

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.10.16 13:31:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Now is not the time to be kind, straight honest talk is necessary…..call a spade a spade (with appologiessto Gerrie Coetzee) and get on with fixing the machine. This flowery sweet talk just fosters complacency.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.10.16 13:34:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I doubt that players involved directly in SA Rugby would speak up for fear of their future careers combined with them growing up in SA cultures advising against being disrespectful towards authority. That’s quite an ingrained mindset in the majority of SA communities.

    Best we can hope for is them speaking up via the player’s union.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.10.16 13:35:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I think its a lot easier to point out mistakes and errors than to actually suggest viable solutions. S fair enough point out the mistake…but then also suggest a solution or be bold enough to say you dont have one.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.10.16 13:39:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Why is Duane Vermullen not the captain of the team,he was here for the Irish series and had Straus chosen as the captain over him,he then left and even though he is not injured he was dropped from the team.
    And your comments about Juan Smith are totally laughable especially when you put them up against who is actually coaching that backline,.
    Seriously do you honestly believe what you said there,you value Stick’s ability and input to coaching a Bok team above Juan Smith.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.10.16 13:41:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 16) : yes, I do. Because Stick is a coach. Stick took a group of nobodies and won the under 19 trophy, beating the Bulls and WP with their 45-man squads of superstars along the way.

    To imply that Juan Smith knows more about backline play than anyone who has actually coached a team to some success is actually just fucking moronic.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.10.16 13:43:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Honestly both these players are amongst the highest earners in rugby ,top dollar salaries at Toulon its probably the pinnacle of a professional rugby player’s game.
    ,and you would have them drop that to coach a school team,to have an opinion.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.10.16 13:45:36 by The hound Reply
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  • Actually I am glad they spoke out if anything to put onto the table the issues….stamping feet and flailing arms arent going to help

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.10.16 13:50:58 by Sharkfinn Reply

     
  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : One years experience as an under19 backline coach,that qualifies you as a National coach.
    Don’t buy into the bullshit man you a lot more intelligent than that.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.10.16 13:52:34 by The hound Reply
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  • Hate to point out the obvious… But We (Everyone commenting here… and even some of the media) are worse than players such as Duane Vermeulen and Juan Smith.

    I mean at least they are on the sidelines, they are part of the family which is now in trouble. Fair enough they are the cousins in a far off land, but they are still part of the family. Our Green and Gold and Black and white is bought merchandise not “earned” but we happily chirp away when things are not as we want it.

    I will also admit that chirping alone will never solve the issue (although it can be therapeutic) but hopefully if enough of us chirp the admins would be forced to wake up, like poor durbanite with a noisy flock of hardidars on his front lawn at 4:30am.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.10.16 14:13:40 by Warren Harvey Reply

     
  • @The hound (Comment 16) : Having thought about it I have decided that giving Stick stick is just not on and I wont be doing it. I see him there as a rookie, a greenhorn , who is there to learn. Allister Coetzee is a world cup winning backline coach, he will surely be filling this role and Stick will be learning from him.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.10.16 14:13:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 16) : maybe Duane could have been captain but in the games he played for the Bokke he hardly looked better than Strauss so don’t think he can have a lot to say about the bad performances by the Bokke!

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.10.16 14:13:57 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : Eddie Jones would argue that first point with you and Robbie Fleck the second.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.10.16 14:22:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : Is the Boks really the place to “learn” your trade? Surely NOT, look at NZ how experienced their coaching staff is now you telling us that Stick being there is a good thing? seriously? Stop window dressing the crap situation we currently in.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.10.16 14:24:51 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.10.16 14:27:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 25) : Hell no, its not the place to learn but Im not going to blame him as a rookie for what the Bok backline gets up to while he has a world cup winning backline coach standing next to him.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.10.16 14:30:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • When I read the article this morning I was waiting for the major punchline from Duane Vermeulen. To enlighten us with his insights in what is going on. However, when I finished reading it, I was still none brighter.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.10.16 14:31:07 by bokbok Reply

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  • @bokbok (Comment 28) : exactly. He’s not raising any major new issue or presenting any solution. He’s just having a bitch.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.10.16 14:34:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : @bokbok (Comment 28) : sounds as if he’s just bitching about being not selected!? and to be honest his form really sucked so he’s the last person that could comment on the bad performances!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.10.16 14:41:29 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 30) : here’s how I read it….

    “SARU are making it difficult for us to commit to the Boks”.

    Excuse me? If you want to commit to the national team, then do so. The All Black players do so and I have a fuckton more respect for them than I do for moaning mercenaries like Duane Vermeulen.

    In what way are SARU making it difficult? By allowing them to be selected from overseas? That’s all I’ve got.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.10.16 14:44:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Make your choice. Money or Boks. I won’t judge you for either decision, but if you choose the money, you lose the right to bitch.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.10.16 14:45:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Dude, chill. Do you honestly think Duane and Juan phoned the press to give a statement? They were probably asked and gave honest answers. What the fuck were they suppose to say? All is honky dory and I can’t wait to join them again…..

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.10.16 14:52:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Weren’t you the one that put a ‘Bitching thread’ on this site?

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.10.16 14:53:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : Ja all I hear is blah blah blah bitch and moan! Like I said it’s not as if he performed whilst wearing the Bokke jersey.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.10.16 14:53:29 by JD Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : dripping with irony though it was…. pretty sure my request was for people to take the morning to get it off their chests, but that constructive suggestions were more welcome than moaning for the sake of it.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.10.16 14:54:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 33) : Only one question is relevant to me. Did they say those things or did they not? I honestly don’t care who phoned whom.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.10.16 14:54:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : They are contracted players outside of the international season, what do you really expect them to do? I think you’re just bored and frustrated because there isn’t any Sharks news to write about. :mrgreen:
    It’s not like you care much for the Boks, you barely ever write articles about them.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.10.16 14:59:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : You cannot blame AC for Sticks short comings! Both at the end of the day are out of their leagues.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.10.16 15:03:41 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Get the coaches and the players there. Don’t complain about the logistics involved .just do it! Then 1. ask the coaches and the players why are nz players fitter than sa players? 2. ask them why are nz players better at handling skills? 3. why are their players willing to put in the extra hours to be the best? 4. why are they willing to train at a higher intensity so they can play at a higher intensity?

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.10.16 15:06:40 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : But you the one bitching like a little girl, not them. What they say obviously carry allot of weight.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.10.16 15:07:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 40) : Now your comment 4 is interesting. The same thing happened when JW took over as Sharks coach and intensified the training. Players weren’t happy at all.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.10.16 15:10:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Having watched and been involved with rugby a lot longer than most on this site,I know that South African fans are extremely fickle and love to moan,at the best of times.
    But these are different circumstances,the two guys in question are probably two of the best Boks of all time and are still playing at the top of the game.
    The defeat at the week end was the worst in the history of Springbok rugby,these two guys have basically said enough is enough,That the situation is critical and that everyone is basically in denial as to the huge mammoth in the room.
    The mammoth, as to who is now in control of what used to be one of the greatest Sporting teams in the world.We are at a cross roads,where we could take this team down the well trodden South African road into the third world,or rally all the stake holders and save it.
    I admire these guys for speaking up and though I always hated him as an opponent,Duanne even at half pace is 50% better than of the Bok forwards on Saturday

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.10.16 15:18:11 by The hound Reply
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  • The halftime change room shots said it all for me. All blacks standing in a huddle talking about what needs to be done. Boks sitting or standing in 2s and 3s.

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.10.16 15:19:18 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • The most important thing that Juan said in his interview is that no one in our loose trio are getting us go forward ball and he is 100% correct.Warren Whiteley doesnt give us front foot ball because hes to small,FLow is a fetcher and Mohoje doesnt carry the ball either.He said that in the days whith JW there were 2 looseforwards him and big oom Danie Rossouw who were the guys getting the boks on the front foot while burger was playing to the ball

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.10.16 15:20:11 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : Maybe Juan Smith isn’t a backline coach, but have played the game at the highest level, he sure knows what it takes from an international backline. He is saying what even is laymen supporters can see.
    I guess you also going to lambast Laurie Mains for his stance then? I reckon he knows a fair bit about coaching eh Rob?

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.10.16 15:20:28 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 43) : If Smith and Vermuelen had come out and said change this and that in order to get better performances and results then not a problem. But all they did was point out vaguely whats wrong and its the same thing thats been said by everyone from the media to joe soap on the street. So if they want credibility then say something new and unknown dont just hit repeat on what others have said…add something of value. Im all for them speaking out having been involved…but tell me something i dont know.

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.10.16 15:25:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 42) : remember the way the sharks played in the ’10 cc semi and final? There was something of the intensity we saw on saturday from the abs. There was the template for the sharks and sa rugby to look at .why didn’t the sharks not embrace that style then? Why didn the coaches and the players sit down and say: ok to play that way,we will have to challenge our current conditioning. Why ,when the bulls had that destructive line-out maul didn’t they kick every penalty to touch and say: ok to play that way ,we must challenge our current conditioning?

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.10.16 15:29:14 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • I applaud both Juan and Duane for having the balls. Its like weve been brainwashed. Im sorry Rob I know you love the boks but saying Mzwandile Stick is more qualified, in any single tiny aspect of rugby, than Juan Smith is “fking moronic” and im quoting. We dont even realise how ludicrous this shit is anymore. Just look at that fat slob they made captain. @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : We dont LEARN at this level. We TEACH! Allister is not a WC winning backline coach. Eddie Jones had to be drafted in to come clean up his shit, remember?

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.10.16 15:31:46 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 39) : That I wont dispute, still doesnt change AC having a WC winners medal…..as a back line coach nogal.

    I suppose Im still a bit peeved at Corne Krige whinging (he does it so well) about AC being saddled with Mzwandile who offered nothing and I just thought to myself, well #$^* it, really now what does a WC winning backline coach even need a backline coach for…would the WC winner even be open to suggestions from the greenhorn anyway.

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.10.16 15:41:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : Nobody in the local set up team ,management,media,or administration has ever stood up and said what is wrong with rugby in this country.A few New Zealand journalists and commentators have.
    Even now on this forum I am unable to voice my feelings as to the Elephant,rhino and fucken hippo in the room.
    These guys have come closest to saying it.I personally think Duane was brought back to be the captain and something happened that he and Coetzee butted heads on and he was discarded. Definitely bad blood there.
    The crux of the biscuit is no one should be excluded from for the Boks for any reason except their ability to play the game,but on the same hand nobody should be included in the team for any other reason than their ability to play the game. This should permeate all the way thru to all the structures.
    I think the AB’s achieve that and we never have ,not once from the original days of rugby in thus country.

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.10.16 15:43:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 43) : Duanne to replace Whiteley then ? ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.10.16 15:44:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 52) : No if I had my way,I’d play Duanne,Marcel andWhitely.

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.10.16 15:47:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : I disagree that these two guys have said anything along the lines of political issues being the reason the Boks are poor. Both just made general vague statements. If they had come out and been specific and pointed fingers then by all means that adds credibility coming from ex and current players. But all they have basically said is that its not right that 1 plus 1 equals 3…well we all know that so not much new there that hasnt been said. Perhaps they are also not allowed to truly speak their mind i dont know….but in any case all they really did was repeat what was already out there.

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  • @The hound (Comment 53) : id play that combo too.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.10.16 15:50:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Look at the difference:
    1-Os du rant
    2-John smit
    3-Cj van der linde
    4-matfield
    5-bakkies
    6-Burger
    7-Juan Smith
    8-Danie Rossouw
    9-Fourie dup
    10-james
    11-Habbana
    12-Steyn
    13-Jauques Fourie
    14-Jpp
    15-Montgomery

    This team would beat the current bok team by 30 on any givin day….Anyone of these 15 champions are alowd to say anything they want about our shitty situation we are in

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.10.16 15:50:14 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 56) : Interestingly i dont see many ‘small’ players in that team like we currently have. There are also a lot of names that have caught some serious abuse lately…

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.10.16 15:51:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 49) : “We dont LEARN at this level. We TEACH! Allister is not a WC winning backline coach. Eddie Jones had to be drafted in to come clean up his shit, remember?”

    Wrong….this is SA rugby, we are teaching squat….our only hope is to learn. Hansen clearly felt the same after the test and gave pointers on how to do it.

    I remember very well that Jones was drafted in to help…..but AC got the medal – he should be able to do it. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.10.16 15:55:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : yes,sa has never played nz or the world with its best team.

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  • @The hound (Comment 5 : ๐Ÿ˜Ž

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.10.16 15:58:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Sheldon, the 07 team didnt have any ‘small’players because Jake white simply doesnt pick small players.Example He playd big Danie Rossouw who is a lock at 8th man.Thats also why Keagan Daniel strugeled to get game time at the sharks when JW was the coach.

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.10.16 16:03:35 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 61) : So is that how Sa teams should be picked then? We have evidence of a ‘big’ team that was successful. Do we have evidence of a successful ‘small’ team?

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.10.16 16:04:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : well you could argue the lions had a small team and they had sucsess ? But IMO I think that we would do beter with ‘big’ and ‘aggresive’ players and going full out with that selection instead of this mixture of players and playing styles,like e.g having whitley at 8 but then having steyn playing a kicking game at 10 doesnt make sense becuase Steyns kicking game relies on a big and dominating pack of forwards where as whitleys running game relies on a good attacking 10

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.10.16 16:12:07 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : @The hound (Comment 53) : I wouldve have liked for psdt to have remained at no7 hence my comb of 6marcell 7psdt 8? Whiteley brings handling,stepping,pace around the park,tackles for 80mins and stole a line-out from the abs this saturday.vermeulen is tough and strong.and remember that off-load to habana at ellispark vs nz?or behind-the-back-pass to fdp vs wales?then there is also vd walt who I rate.and he is also 26/27.whiteley and vermeulen make a big case imo to be bok capt.2 of those 3 should be in bok 23.

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.10.16 16:17:04 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 63) : Lions ‘success’ im not sold on fully…when they lost the physical battle they lost the game badly so the ‘small’ guys were negated and very ineffective. Doesnt the Boks vs NZ performance look very much like the Lions vs the Hurricanes?

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.10.16 16:18:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 63) : Big or small – that team most certainly did not hang back and wait for the opposition to run at them. They rushed up and met them behind the advantage line.

    A very good analysis on Morne’s old web-site about the lack of aggression in the Bok defence (especially back line)- making life so easy for the All Black runners.

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.10.16 16:21:43 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : doc craven said a good big one will always beat a good small one.perhaps some coaches forgot and forget about the good preceding the big?those players were big but also good.jpp and frans should still be playing for the boks.same goes for bissie.

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.10.16 16:22:26 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • This is probably not adding anything to the debate, but I found it quite entertaining. A journalist recently asked Frik du Preez how he though his era Bok team would do against the current one, and Frik replied that his team would definitely win by at least ten points. When the journalist queried why he though they’d only win by ten, Frik pointed out that they are all in their seventies, after all :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.10.16 16:24:24 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 66) : i would fully agree on the defensive attitude. But overall the boks are just timid- zero aggression

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.10.16 16:24:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Sorry Rob – as far as I am concerned Juan Smith is the most respected Bok in many many years. He gave his all for the Bok cause. When he talks, I listen.

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.10.16 16:24:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : Not really because the lions played there very expansive gameplan against the canes where the boks had steyn at 10 and played a conservative way but with a small pack.

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.10.16 16:24:41 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 71) : Same result though…both in terms of points and performance

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.10.16 16:25:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 66) : yes the backline seemed physically smaller and didn’t ‘look’ (advance fwd) for the contact it seemed to me.guys like jpp and frans bring size and defensive aggro.boks seem to lack that.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.10.16 16:25:33 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 68) : ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.10.16 16:25:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : yeah…. well Im against Nick Mallet and all those guys wanting us to only pick lions players and play like the lions.I prefer our 07 approach with bigger players.

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.10.16 16:30:56 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 66) : JW started the whole thing about umbrella defense.I read it in his biography that becuase of our natural aggresive way of playing rugby he wanted the opposision team to feel the hits coming in from Big Danie Rossouw and Juan smith ect. by making the bok 13 shooting out of the line early and forcing the opposition to play more direct at our dominating loose forwards.Hence why we always takcled the teams back

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.10.16 16:39:02 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 73) : I know a guy who weighs 110 kg and stands at 1.95 m tall. He plays 12 for the sharks and when he tackles guys they usualy get anxiety….I think he could be our solution …

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.10.16 16:43:29 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 76) : jaque fourie was a class act no13. had the defensive and attacking skill set.

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.10.16 16:48:22 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • ergh… don’t get why Stick is getting attention. Our backline hardy gets to touch the ball, and when they do its deep in our half,on backfoot ball, and under huge pressure. When a team has 30% possession and 24% territory guess what the backline stats are going to be like?

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.10.16 16:48:29 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 68) : haha i can imagin him stepping habbana at wing and scoring a try at 70

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.10.16 16:49:50 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 78) : Yeah he was a real talent and was super fast for a big guy..Only Monnas can produce a talent like that:)

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.10.16 16:51:54 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 81) : and for people always complaining about why you would play players out of position: he made his debut for the lions at no15,on the wing for the boks,and became a legend in the no13 jersey.

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.10.16 16:57:00 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 70) : I always thought there would be some role for juan smith at no4 for the boks as he got [email protected] yes,though he is ‘only’ 1.96m ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.10.16 17:02:18 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • The alternative to these insights from veterans is of course insights from the coach and his team. Oh wait there hasn’t been any….I am glad others speak up even if Alister steals some of their input and passes it off as his own. At least it could benefit us more than this pathetic clutching at straws that is currently happening.

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.10.16 17:54:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • And how pray tell do these guys roll up their sleeves and get involved without an invitation or being asked? Do they just phone up saru offer to help and their in on the decision making team or as consultants? Best they can do is offer opinions even if they wanted to do more.

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.10.16 17:57:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 56) : Absolutely agree! They have earned the right to speak out the hard way. Even Strauss has alluded to having more to layabout his retirement later. Fact is there are issues affecting the players careers, and they have more right to speak out than self proclaimed armchair critics and self righteous bloggers and blog administrators.

    If you have literally put your body on the line to represent your country, and have done so with distinction, then it must hurt like hell to see a proud heritage go down the drain.

    Both Juan and Duanne aren’t the ones to offer solutions, but they are entitled to raise their concerns. Coaches and player representatives should be thrashing out solutions, players should be doing what they are paid to do.

    So is Laurie Mains 100% correct in saying, that after 20 years, how can any young player claim to be disadvantaged, as they all came through the same systems

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.10.16 18:02:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 61) : Saw big Danie at Woolworths in Nelspruit, last Saturday. OMW!! that guy is huge!!

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.10.16 18:06:33 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • so I’m not in the majority with the way I feel about this? Well, that’s ok.

    I’d agree with you guys, but then we’d all be wrong.

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.10.16 18:09:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 86) : holy crap, how I wish my own rules didn’t prevent me absolutely dismantling that last point of yours.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.10.16 18:10:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : I can’t claim credit lol, well I feel a red card coming. In fairness Rob, I do feel that as a representative team for a nation the only criteria should be “being the best available player in your position”
    There are more appropriate levels for development!

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.10.16 18:21:21 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : Not wrong really, just a differing opinion. Normally I would agree that to grumble without offering a plausible alternative is counter productive. In this instance I think players that have played with distinction at the highest level, have every right to speak out. That said it would be preferable for them to be part of the solution. As Coolfusion said, it’s not as if the suits are sending out invitations to guys like Juan and Duanne to add value.

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.10.16 18:29:25 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 87) : Do you know Bluto from Popye….? Thats who Danie reminds me of with his beard and all:)Bluto is like the animation character of Danie .About his rugby though i must say he was the most underated springbok ever.He is probably one of the most decorated players in world rugby having won 3 superrugby titles a number of currie cups a Euro championship for toulon and a World cup.And believe me there are rugby suporters who dont even know he existed.He was a very quiet bloke hence why people never noticed him but man he was a real warrior on the field.Its sad that they made all of these tributes on supersport about bakkies botha and fourie du preez and victor matfield ect. but they never made one of Danie Rossouw after he retired ? even though he was part of that era having the same amount of throphys as Bakkies….but I will always remember him as the quiet bluto looking giant that never complained and won throphys for the teams he played for

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.10.16 18:42:34 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 92) : Agree with you. I tell you I did a double take, when I saw him. Very unassuming bloke too, but he was a warrior indeed. Two players who absolutely didn’t get their due recognition was Juan and Danie

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.10.16 18:45:13 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 83) : Yes only 196cm, but he more than makes up for it with athleticism and grunt!

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.10.16 18:51:22 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 94) : it is sad for bok rugby that he suffered so many injuries.imo was sorely missied at the 2011 rwc.what made the bok line-out so potent was having both matfield and juan smith ,who were both also very good competing jumpers.matfield in the middle and juan smith at the back.

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.10.16 19:12:01 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 83) : Pity he had so many injuries – otherwise he would have made a great Bok captain in the Teichmann mould.

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.10.16 20:19:06 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Rob,
    If you are so mad at players sniping from the side line, how did you feel about that player who stormed out of a Bok training session?

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.10.16 21:18:47 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 92) : @KingCheetah (Comment 93) : yes everyone seems to forget what he did for Bulls and Bokke as if Bakkies, Victor and Fourie did it all on their own!!! EO reminds me a lot of him as he’s also the silent type that’s willing to do the hard dirty work.

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.10.16 21:46:02 by JD Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 79) : excellent point!!! As always it starts upfront!!!

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.10.16 21:50:37 by JD Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 76) : and it can still work but then the inside players must tackle and not just let their opponents run past them!!!

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.10.16 21:54:55 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 99) :9 trys to nil means that everything is fucked beyond redemption..
    There’re two ways to go one stick your head in the sand and believe that its all going to magically come right,Nelson Mandela is going to appear in Straus’s XXXXL no2 shirt and lead us to victory.
    Or admit its as rotten as the SABC and kick it all out and start again.New selectors,new coaches,new captain,and find someone who can spell game plan.

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.10.16 22:12:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 101) : well sorry to say neither of it is going to happen!!! Only change for end of year tour will be a new captain (and probably hooker) as Strauss is done.

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.10.16 23:43:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 102) : Unfortunately you are right

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.10.16 08:13:20 by The hound Reply
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  • Couple questions here: I have nothing against players voicing their concerns…but have i missed something or what have they actually said that has been said already this year by numerous people many times? And then should we be giving credit to AC for realising the need to hold an Indaba regarding the Boks and SA rugby in order to help fix some issues?

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.10.16 08:21:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : ala Charlize Theron. Laurie Mains is 100% correct , say what you like but that’s the truth. The death of Bok and SArugby is transformation.

  • Comment 105, posted at 13.10.16 08:23:34 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 101) : You actually touched on something interesting, last I heard there is no more selection panel, only the coaching team to make the selections.

  • Comment 106, posted at 13.10.16 08:28:03 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 105) : Think we need to remember the site rules, there are plenty forums that are more political than rugby thats why i prefer this one. That being said im no fan of transformation/quotas having dealt with them first hand. However, transformation/quotas didnt have a hand in the Stormers, Sharks, Bulls, Cheetahs all being extremely poor in super rugby this year.

  • Comment 107, posted at 13.10.16 08:46:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) :

    yea was also going to ask if Rob sees a bit of irony in this post . but all for the greater good !

  • Comment 108, posted at 13.10.16 09:06:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 107) : Its not a overnight issue.

  • Comment 109, posted at 13.10.16 09:13:20 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 109) : Oh that i know. Dont get me wrong it is an issue, just not the only issue and probably not even the main issue.

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.10.16 09:15:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The thing that I find hard to accept is the constant reference to the fact that our players are not as fit as the AB’s.
    Surely this is bullshit as these are guys who only have one job,playing rugby.
    I think its something else,we are concentrating on the wrong kind of fitness.

  • Comment 111, posted at 13.10.16 10:10:53 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : I agree to some extend (and should totally), but if you hear what the AB players do after their training sessions compared to the SA players who just practice their place kicking then there is a huge gap.

  • Comment 112, posted at 13.10.16 10:16:20 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : How do you find it hard to accept when you watch a game and you see our players huffing and puffing on the field, are so slow to get up and re-align etc? The evidence is right there on the field game after game. You may not want to accept it but it is the truth. Your last point i do agree with- i dont think we are conditioning our players correctly…or they just arent applying themselves fully. Yes there are the exception but for the vast majority fitness levels are not what they should be.

  • Comment 113, posted at 13.10.16 10:20:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 112) : That just proves one thing our coaching staff are amateurs.

  • Comment 114, posted at 13.10.16 10:20:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : You miss understand me I am not questioning,the fact that they are unfit,I am questioning the fact that they are allowed to be.

  • Comment 115, posted at 13.10.16 10:23:16 by The hound Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 112) : Ive read how Matfield used to spend hours doing analysis on opposition lineouts etc. Just wonder if the current players are putting in that level of effort

  • Comment 116, posted at 13.10.16 10:27:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 115) : Ah ok, yeh fair enough agree with you on that. But just look at the culture in Sa currently…its all about accommodating players and not upsetting them etc. So is it any wonder they skate by when it comes to fitness etc

  • Comment 117, posted at 13.10.16 10:29:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : and our players.

    @SheldonK (Comment 116) : I highly doubt it.

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.10.16 10:44:52 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 118) : Well that probably tells the story doesnt it.

  • Comment 119, posted at 13.10.16 10:52:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : I lost respect for Plumtree,when he not only fielded a 50 kg overweight Frans Steyn but he made him captain.

  • Comment 120, posted at 13.10.16 11:12:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 120) : Yeh that wasnt a great call but things were a bit of a stuff up at the time if i recall. Lambie was injured again and Steyn had to play 10

  • Comment 121, posted at 13.10.16 11:15:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : @The hound (Comment 115) : So here’s my short-term solution for the Springboks; forget about beating the All Blacks (probably not going to happen consistently in my lifetime) running rugby, flair, skill, etc, and focus on the following three things:

    1) Fitness/conditioning. I know the Boks spend the majority of their time with their own unions, but the Springboks should employ a world class fitness/conditioning coach who can work out individual programs and targets for the players. Moreover, these should be linked to their contracts; failure by a contracted Springbok to meet his KPI’s should result in a reduction in his contract value until he is back up to standard. Repeat failures should result in additional reductions, and eventually contract suspension.

    For non-contracted players, the coach should assess them, and work out their programs and targets. Thereafter their selection should be dependent on compliance with target.

    Having a Bok captain who not only looks like a Teletubby, but actually looks like he ate all the Teletubbies should never be acceptable.

    2) Repeat point 1

    3) Get a proper defense coach

  • Comment 122, posted at 13.10.16 11:59:40 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 122) : You make a lot of sense, I have always been amazed at the fact , a combination of extreme ignorance and arrogance that leads some players to actually believe that they have a right to be on a first class rugby field when they patently don’t.
    Ignorance that they are going to get seriously damaged,and arrogance that they believe they can survive it .

  • Comment 123, posted at 13.10.16 12:09:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 122) : I would agree. e need a solid foundation in the form of fitness. No use trying to play expansive running rugby when players are huffing and puffing after 20min. Your point 1 and 2 will greatly aide the guy in point 3.

  • Comment 124, posted at 13.10.16 12:28:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 122) : @The hound (Comment 123) : This is all good and well for local players, but what to do about those playing abroad? Surely SARU can’t dictate to, say, Saracens, how their fitness and conditioning should be conducted. And I’m not even talking about the Japanese clubs.. Is it worth looking at central contracting in future then?

  • Comment 125, posted at 13.10.16 12:28:49 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 125) : Make the decision to only pick local players then.

  • Comment 126, posted at 13.10.16 12:29:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : I would welcome the decision, but I doubt SARU has the balls to make such a call.

  • Comment 127, posted at 13.10.16 12:38:00 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 127) : Its the right decision currently that would benefit creating a good foundation

  • Comment 128, posted at 13.10.16 12:53:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : Thats a crap decision,if the overseas clubs can afford our best players they can also afford better coaching and fitness staff.
    It amazes me the arrogance of South African fans who honestly believe the Currie Cup is superior to the European league.
    What bullshit,the next step is not us deciding if we want to allow overseas players to play test rugby for us, but the overseas clubs allowing us to do so.
    In all honesty would you want to free up your expensive star player to go and take a nine try beating ,a beating to his body and his ego.

  • Comment 129, posted at 13.10.16 12:55:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 128) : Absolutely 100%. It forces the players to choose if they want $$$ or the Bok jersey. Now it’s all too nice cause they can have both – ala Flo. But first, pride needs to be restored to the jersey. Right now I’m not sure how much the players actually WANT to play for the boks in the current situation..

  • Comment 130, posted at 13.10.16 12:58:54 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 129) : Look without question there are a lot of quality players playing overseas currently. But its almost becoming mission impossible to manage them and when they can and cant play and trying to build a team on the same ideals basis. So in order to secure a future we need to create a solid foundation and overseas players only add to the chaos currently. If we continue to pick overseas guys i can guarantee the Boks will be outside the top 10 within 2yrs.

  • Comment 131, posted at 13.10.16 13:08:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Have i missed something? Teams are announcing 23 man squads for the CC semis?

  • Comment 132, posted at 13.10.16 13:16:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : That is a pipedream that will never happen, not in this economic climate. You are asking for people, whose playing career is probably 10 years max, to give up on the might of the Euro to play for Rands, money that is barely worth the paper it’s printed on. It is not the 80’s/90’s anymore. The Rand means squat, and there is almost no way in hell that you will be able to prevent talented players from going overseas. The only way we can put a stop to that is to privatize the local franchises, and create more of a club system ala UK and France. I’d rather pick the best player in his position for the Boks, even if he plays in Kazahkstan, rather than the 5 best South African in his position, just because the player plays overseas.

  • Comment 133, posted at 13.10.16 13:19:18 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 133) : No i think you misunderstand. I dont believe only picking local will force players to stay in SA and i have no problem with players playing for good money overseas. BUT picking both local and overseas players is an admin f*ck up currently as nobody is on the same page and its very disjointed and its showing. A good foundation needs to be laid so it needs to start with only picking local players and focussing on them getting as fit as possible etc (yes it would mean excluding some quality players but rather bite the bullet now then pick up the pile of ashes later). You could still pick a very good side with only local players. As i said i truly believe if we continue on this same path we will be in chaos and outside the top 10 come next RWC.

  • Comment 134, posted at 13.10.16 13:25:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 132) : SARU have come to an agreement with the teams . its a Christmas miracle

  • Comment 135, posted at 13.10.16 14:21:46 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 135) : My word…i will watch for lightning when i leave work.

  • Comment 136, posted at 13.10.16 14:24:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 134) : jinne uncle … that is VERY bleak

  • Comment 137, posted at 13.10.16 14:24:50 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 137) : Sad but true i believe. Im very willing for someone to prove me wrong and that it isnt disorganised chaos currently and that SARU can manage the situation but i wont hold my breath.

  • Comment 138, posted at 13.10.16 14:26:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 138) : People on Twitter tell me Pollard will be our savior once fit . But if you look at the matches he was the 10 in that we have lost you might not be far off

  • Comment 139, posted at 13.10.16 14:28:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 139) : imo no one player coming into the current team and coaching set-up will turn the tide vs abs.

  • Comment 140, posted at 13.10.16 14:34:14 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 139) : Lol.. Pollie.. come now. People forget quickly.

  • Comment 141, posted at 13.10.16 14:34:59 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 140) : Correct. The problem lies far deeper than a changing a couple of players

  • Comment 142, posted at 13.10.16 14:35:51 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 140) : jah i agree . But the rules of Twitter works a little different

  • Comment 143, posted at 13.10.16 14:36:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 134) : In my humble opinion, what I think is the best middle way, is for the Boks to identify a group of lets say 50 players, or the top three players in every position. Have them assessed by the Bok’s fitness coach, then they have to be given a training plan that will ensure that they are in the same fitness level as the rest of the group. These players then has to be tested every 2-3 months to see what their fitness is. Should their fitness have dropped below a certain level, then they must be fined or ”benched”.

  • Comment 144, posted at 13.10.16 14:37:21 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 144) : I want that to be every -yes,every- professional player in sa from u19.

  • Comment 145, posted at 13.10.16 14:43:15 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 122) : Fully agree, this is absolutely essential short, medium and long term. Get these right and you should always at least have a sniff. Add to these and your chances will improve until you are hopefully matching the AB’s on all levels.

    Regardless, it should never have got to this in the first place.

  • Comment 146, posted at 13.10.16 14:47:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • What we must also not forget is tht the abs have been allowed much more leniency than other teams for a long time imo.lood de jager gets a yellow card that becomes a one game suspension.in the same test whitelock made contact with his elbow to whiteley’s head.done on purpose.the disallowed try just before halftime.if a defending player comes in to stop a ruck and you hit him with the elbow in the face it is a red card.

  • Comment 147, posted at 13.10.16 14:47:59 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • 1. Beast 2. Strauss 3. Redelinghuis 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kwagga 7. Cassim 8. Van Der Walt 9. De Klerk 10.Lambie 11. Benjamin 12. Van Rensburg 13. Venter 14. Kok 15. Combrinck
    Bench: Nche, Marx, Adriaanse, Snyman, DuPreez, Cronje, Esterhuizen, Senatla

    That would be a pretty strong team off the top of my head using only fully local players

  • Comment 148, posted at 13.10.16 14:48:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 144) : In theory great idea. Still a great idea if those 50 players are based in SA and are at most a 2hr flight away. The task to manage that becomes very very tricky and difficult when players are on different continents with limited access granted by their clubs.

  • Comment 149, posted at 13.10.16 14:51:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 147) : and then perenara’s try wasn’t a try but should have been a bok penalty.he lost possession of the ball and then played it again before getting back on his feet.would it have changed the final score? Abs scored 4 tries with lood off the field. But the game was lost in the boks minds when they scored the charge-down try.that is when the mental metal went missing completely imo.

  • Comment 150, posted at 13.10.16 14:53:09 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 149) : Most of those in Europe, stays in countries smaller than the Kruger National Park almost. Getting those guys together 1 day every 2 months or so can really not be too difficult.

  • Comment 151, posted at 13.10.16 14:54:38 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 148) : I’m worried abt both centres defence.rate both players’ attacking game but centres must also stop the opponents .not just tackle them.stop them flat in their tracks.dominate the tackle.no off-load.

  • Comment 152, posted at 13.10.16 14:58:14 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @50shadesofshark3 (Comment 147) : not a ruck but maul.

  • Comment 153, posted at 13.10.16 15:05:06 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

     
  • @KingRiaan (Comment 151) : Its getting the access to them from their clubs, getting someone from here to monitor them etc. I think you giving SARU’s organisation and admin ability way too much credit

  • Comment 154, posted at 13.10.16 15:10:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 154) : As long as everything is done within the rules of World Rugby, with an open and friendly way, I can’t see why there would be problems with the clubs, a fitter player not only benefits the national team, but the individual club as well.

  • Comment 155, posted at 13.10.16 15:38:45 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 155) : It can be done but we both know clubs are reluctant to release players for anythign on their time. Look at how they bitching at Eddie Jones for his training camp. Look how Toulon reacted over Vermuelen and Habana. Also bear in mind that guys returning from overseas havnt exactly st the world alight in a Bok jersey…their focus is formly on their club and future

  • Comment 156, posted at 13.10.16 15:43:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • If we went with a fully overseas based team:
    1. Steven Kitshoff 2. Bismarck DuPlessis 3. Vincent Koch 4. Franco Mostert. 5. Jacques DuPlessis 6. Marcel Coetzee 7. Schalk Burger 8. Duane Vermuelen 9. Ruan Pienaar 10. Dimitri Catrakilis 11. Brian Habana 12. Francois Steyn 13. Johan Goosen 14. JP Pieterson 15. Willie LeRoux
    Bench: Brian Mujati, Schalk Brits, Jannie DuPlessis, Paul Willemse, Francois Louw, Cameron Wright, Peter Grant, Paul Jordaan

    Also not a bad side at all…

  • Comment 157, posted at 13.10.16 16:11:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 157) : Good side there just put
    Du plessis at 7 with willemse at 5 and schalla on bench covering 6 .I dont see schalk as a 7 he is to small

  • Comment 158, posted at 13.10.16 17:18:15 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 157) : Just to give an indication of how many players are playing overseas…
    1-Dean Greyling
    2-Tiaan Liebenberg
    3-Marcel Van der merwe
    4-Nico jansen van rensburg
    5-Flip Van der merwe
    6-wiaan liebenberg
    7-Willem alberts
    8-Jono ross
    9-Cam wright
    10-Riaan smit(cheethas 2013)
    11-Gerhard van den heever
    12-Meyer bosman
    13-Robert eberson
    14-Gio aplon
    15-Riaan Viljoen

  • Comment 159, posted at 13.10.16 17:33:33 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 159) : Hahahahaaaaahahahahaaaaa! You said “Dean Greyling”!! Hahahaaaahahahaaa!!!!!

  • Comment 160, posted at 13.10.16 18:20:55 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 160) : Ok I know his not good but I was just trying to point out how many players are playing overseas and I didnt have a other prop in mind

  • Comment 161, posted at 13.10.16 18:38:04 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 161) : What about Ricky January?

  • Comment 162, posted at 13.10.16 18:44:14 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 162) : Oh shit I forgot about him,I was thinking of a 9 other than pienaar and could only think of Wright

  • Comment 163, posted at 13.10.16 19:14:35 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 163) : I was thinking of Ricky as a prop in place of MacGuyver…

  • Comment 164, posted at 13.10.16 19:32:15 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 164) : Haha come on now hes a bad scrumager but he has his strong points……

  • Comment 165, posted at 13.10.16 19:54:12 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 159) : I forgot Liebenberg isn’t playing over seas anymore there has to be a change at 2

  • Comment 166, posted at 13.10.16 19:55:36 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 166) : Craig Burden

  • Comment 167, posted at 13.10.16 21:36:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 167) : Oh yeah that fast dude…I wonder how’s he doing ? haven’t seen him play rugby in ages

  • Comment 168, posted at 13.10.16 22:36:12 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 167) : @schrodingers cat (Comment 168) : seems he moved to Stade Francais.

  • Comment 169, posted at 13.10.16 23:10:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 162) : Conrad Hoffman?

  • Comment 170, posted at 13.10.16 23:11:49 by JD Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 159) : @Culling Song (Comment 160) : the other ginger SK formerly from WP?

  • Comment 171, posted at 13.10.16 23:14:01 by JD Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 168) : He pretty much owned Schalk Brits when they have played each other in France. Burden put Brits flat on his back with an incredible hit a couple of years ago. I’ll try to find the YouTube link for you.

  • Comment 172, posted at 14.10.16 01:25:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 172) : There you go, great clip, actually drilled Brits twice….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY7ELmluajE

  • Comment 173, posted at 14.10.16 01:29:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 173) : One of the Sharks greatest losses.

  • Comment 174, posted at 14.10.16 08:18:08 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 172) : Damn that was a big hit love seeing those

  • Comment 175, posted at 14.10.16 09:05:37 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 173) : @KingRiaan (Comment 174) : @schrodingers cat (Comment 175) : awesome player yet at the Sharks they were unable to fix his technical problems that was seemingly fixed very fast in France!!! Would love to see him back in the Black and White before he retires!!!

  • Comment 176, posted at 14.10.16 09:42:46 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 176) : Comes back to the lack of a dedicated skills coaching team.

  • Comment 177, posted at 14.10.16 10:25:27 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 177) : my problem was that during this time Sharks had Smit and Bissie and yet they were “unable” to fix it and the same happened with Cooper!!! Like you said lack of skills coaching!!!

  • Comment 178, posted at 14.10.16 10:50:51 by JD Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 139) : A gun shy recovery from injury who hasn’t really played in about a year? I recall him disappearing completely when the pressure is on. How will he do better in this misfiring team? Nope not even a fit and firing 20 year old Naas can singlehandedly save us. Our problem lies deeper than the players and their skill and commitment. We all know it. Toetie and pals need to go…

  • Comment 179, posted at 14.10.16 11:04:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 179) : for sure can’t see any one player changing a lot. A couple of players needs to be replaced before anything could change.
    For some strange reason I can’t wait for AC to announce his tour squad as I believe that will show us exactly where he’s going with the Bokke!

  • Comment 180, posted at 14.10.16 11:35:27 by JD Reply
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