Richard Ferguson

Boks beef up for English battle

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 10 Nov 2016 at 15:06
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Springbok coach Allister Coetzee has named his side to take on Eddie Jones’ England this Saturday, making the expected changes from the side that faced the Barbarians last week.

Adriaan Strauss is back to lead the team, joining Beast Mtawarira and Vincent Koch in the front row. It is from the second row that the bulk is added, Eben Etzebeth joined by Lood de Jager while the loose trio consists of Willem Alberts, Pieter-Steph du Toit and Warren Whiteley.

The half back combination of Rudi Paige and Pat Lambie gets another run, while Damian de Allende returns in the midfield. He is joined by debutant Francois Venter. After the talk of Bryan Habana being fit to face the English, he is not selected as JP Pietersen, Ruan Combrinck and Willie le Roux complete the back three.

The bench sees Bongi Mbonambie standing in as hooker cover, Steven Kitshoff and Lourens Adriaanse covering the rest of the front row. The fourth lock in the 23 is Franco Mosters while Nizaam Carr covers the loose trio.

Faf de Klerk makes a return to the match 23 while Johan Goosen covers the flyhalf/fullback role and Lionel Mapoe covers centre and wing.

Springboks: 1. Beast Mtawarira, 2. Adriaan Strauss (Capt), 3. Vincent Koch, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 5. Lood de Jager, 6. Willem Alberts, 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 8. Warren Whiteley, 9. Rudi Paige, 10. Pat Lambie, 11. JP Pietersen, 12. Damian de Allende, 13. Francois Venter, 14. Ruan Combrinck, 15. Willie le Roux.

Substitues: 16. Bongi Mbonambi, 17. Steven Kitshoff, 18. Lourens Adriaanse, 19. Franco Mostert, 20. Nizaam Carr, 21. Faf de Klerk, 22. Johan Goosen, 23. Lionel Mapoe


  • Good strong pack there!!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.11.16 15:08:21 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • Im unsure of this team. Yes there are good players throughout, but dont know if im sold on the combinations. At least the bench is a 5/3 split. This team has the potential to be good…

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.11.16 15:09:27 by SheldonK Reply
  • I have to ask honestly: “Is this the best we have?”

    My gut feel says 65%

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.11.16 15:11:04 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • So many questions:

    Bongi above Marx?

    What happened to Mohoje?

    Damian de Allende? Seriously?

    Rudi Paige again?

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.11.16 15:11:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Weak link at the moment will be DDA. But then looking at that pack, the ball will probably not go past 12 a lot anyway.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.11.16 15:12:26 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Agree with the two above exactly

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.11.16 15:12:37 by Sharkfinn Reply
  • I meant the first two

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.11.16 15:13:20 by Sharkfinn Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : Mohoje????seriouslly do you think he is worthy to start after his poor performances

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.11.16 15:13:58 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : DDA is a safe option in terms of defense becuase Jansen van rensburg is a bit shaky on defense

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.11.16 15:16:38 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 5) : He is a safer ( more conservative option) than Jansen van rensburg becuase Imo Jansen van rensburg a weak defender

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.11.16 15:18:13 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : Glad Mohoje was dropped as he hasn’t been carrying well.

    I’m disappointed that Janse van Rensburg wasn’t selected! DDA isn’t sharp on defence or attack at the moment!

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.11.16 15:19:52 by ChrisS Reply
  • That pack screams 2007 style rugby, I feel it is far too big. Let’s hope England are not too fit and also play a slow game. Pick this pack against a fit, quick outfit and I feel we may be toast.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.11.16 15:20:32 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 10) : Rohan Janse van Rensburg is by far the best inside center SA has to offer at this stage. He was one of the few standout players last week. Good performances should be rewarded…

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.11.16 15:21:08 by boertjie101 Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 10) : DDA is also a weak defender and Janse van Rensburg’s attack makes up for his defensive frailties.

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.11.16 15:21:31 by ChrisS Reply
  • I’m much happier with this team than the ones we have been selecting throughout the RC. There are enough younger players in the squad whilst still feeling quite experienced and reliable. Nobody will ever be completely happy with all 15 players starting, including myself, but am satisfied with the selections. I feel if we are to win this game we have to be incredibly physical and push England back in every tackle. There’s not going to be a whole lot on enterprising play on Saturday but I believe if this team make their tackles and don’t allow England to get over the advantage line we can win.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.11.16 15:21:54 by Hulk Reply
  • I’m also a little bit disappointed Jean-Luc didn’t even crack a nod on the bench. Why would we flood the team with locks if we have capable loosies at our disposal?

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.11.16 15:25:17 by boertjie101 Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 8) :

    No I do not think he is worthy to start, but neither do I think De Allende is worthy to start, Rudi Paige isn’t worthy a start, or Strauss for that matter. Even JPP has question marks.

    Why though, is it different to drop a player like Mohoje and not the others?

    And matter of fact, Mahoje deserves a bench spot more than Carr does.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.11.16 15:26:23 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 12) : scrums and lineout should be good with this heavy pack but breakdowns could be a problem as think they’re a bit slow!
    Personally if I was playing against them I would try to shift contact wider to make them cover more field!

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.11.16 15:26:34 by JD Reply
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  • @boertjie101 (Comment 16) : to help hookers with more lineout options.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.11.16 15:27:37 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 12) : Looking at the ENg pack they also arent the most mobile. Think AC knows if the Boks have any chance of winning the forwards have to get break the advantage line. Think we could possibly see Whiteley play more to the ball as well. Only guy i feel for is Janse Van Rensburg as i think he could have started at 12 and De Allende could have started on the wing for JPP who apparently had a niggle

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.11.16 15:27:55 by SheldonK Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 9) : Die Ellende is not as solid on defense as everybody thinks. Last year our 10 – 12 – 13 combination was our weakest defensive link. Venter is going to look just as bad as Mapoe this season

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.11.16 15:29:16 by Mutley Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 10) :

    At least Rohan knows how to run into space.

    Scoring tries far outweighs a missed tackle or two.

    Not that De Allende is any better in the defensive line..

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.11.16 15:32:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 21) : sorry to say bit he did not look like a champion last week. No good if you can only attack but miss tackles.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.11.16 15:33:23 by JD Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Iam not saying the other players you mentioned deserves to start either.I only said why I think AC went for DDA instead of an in form Rohan.I agree with all youre other quistion marks on players starting.and tbh with you Oupa mohoje ,adriaan struass along with carr are really bad at the moment and none of those three are bok worthy

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.11.16 15:34:05 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 22) : not if those two missed tackles results in tries against you!

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.11.16 15:34:46 by JD Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 9) : During the Super Rugby season De Allende missed 15 tackles in the 785 minutes he played, thus one every 52 minutes. He made 7 clean breaks and beat 29 defenders for 374 meters and scored 2 tries. Rohan jv Rensburg missed 14 tackles in the 778 minutes he played thus one every 55 minutes. He made 19 clean breaks and beat 39 defenders for 654 meters and 10 tries.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.11.16 15:35:52 by Mutley Reply
  • @JD (Comment 25) :

    The simple equation is:

    DDA will not create any tries for himself or the rest of the backline, take the ball into contact at every opportunity killing the ball while missing 2 tackles at least.
    RJvR will score tries and release the rest of the backline to potentially score tries while missing 2 tackles.

    Who do you choose?

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.11.16 15:38:22 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : More balanced though – Robshaw better at the breakdown than both Du Toit and Alberts, Wood far more mobile than Alberts, Vunipola – just as big as Alberts, but again, younger and more mobile, can go that bit extra. Then you have Lawes at lock, devastating tackler who gets around the park. Now, the bench is a concern, if you watch the English league, you will know that Nathan Hughes is a beast of a loose forward, his impact as opposed to Carr is laughable. In the backs, England have a nice 10/12 axis in Ford and Farrell and with Daily at 13, I feel this side is going to play wide and use Robshaw and Wood to disrupt our ball. Vunipola will dominate the collision as he always does and then Hughes will do the same when he comes on. Is Du Toit good to go at flank for 80? I know for sure that Alberts is not. I think Whitely will be non existent in this game, too physical an affair for his liking, he is more suited against the French or Australia. I think our heavy pack will give them trouble for 30 odd minutes, but it is after that time that I worry. Do not be surprised to see us up at half time and then get tiresome in the second, crucial period of the game.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.11.16 15:39:01 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Mutley (Comment 26) :

    And the stats prove my point above…

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.11.16 15:39:30 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 22) : Rohan doesnt run into space he uses his size more often than not to run over players.The same way Nadolo,Naholo and Savea does.DDA is not powerfull enough to be as affective as Rohan but IMO both play the same way here have a look at how jansen van rensburg played against the barbarians , exactly how DDA plays just with more power

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.11.16 15:39:35 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) : Let’s think carefully about this one 😆

    I wouldn’t have DDA anywhere near the Bok team at the moment. He is off form!

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.11.16 15:40:10 by ChrisS Reply
  • If we want to go ever further in De Allende’s great defense. During the Rugby Championship 2015 (When he was “on form”) He missed 11 tackles (In 3 games) , which was the most by any player. During the world cup he had a better defensive performance as he only missed 8 in the 7 games.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.11.16 15:41:07 by Mutley Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 10) : Not much worse than DDA, and also not worse in that game than Venter either. At least Rohan was all over the park hunting down players that did manage to break tackles.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.11.16 15:44:44 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Only 3 PDI’s in the run on and 3 on the bench,Minister Razz is going to blow a shit valve.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.11.16 15:45:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 28) : Whiteley is more mobile than their whole loose trio. Wood is a very average player- even Eddie Jones said so but has to pick him due to injuries. PSDT is definitely mobile enough to play flank and probably should play there fulltime. Im not saying they are a bad side…just that they do have weaknesses we can exploit. Elliot Daly isnt a tried and tested international centre so could make errors, Ford is also error prone.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.11.16 15:48:49 by SheldonK Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 30) : This boy has so much Danie Gerber,in him the running style especially

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.11.16 15:48:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 36) : yeah and just 30 kgs heavier

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.11.16 15:52:20 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 37) : Its just the colour tv that adds 30kgs…in black and white he would be slimmer 😉

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.11.16 15:55:21 by SheldonK Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 37) : Danie Gerber 1.85 m 91 kg Jansen van Rensbergb 1.85 m 109 kg

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.11.16 16:04:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : Oh shit I never new backline players from those days weighd over 80 kg’s . tbh i wasnt even born when danie gerber played rugby

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.11.16 16:14:13 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : I am not convinced about Du Toit as a flank, I feel he is more a lock. Whiteley is mobile yes, but that means bugger all in terms of how we play, we do not play expansive rugby so he will be completely nullified, much like he was in the Championship, except that the English and even bigger in the pack, Whitely will be a non entity in this game. The Boks do not play to his strengths, funnily enough, they play right into his weakness. We are very fortunate that both Itojo and Kruis are injured, they are both fantastic mobile locks. Ford can make errors, but he is very effective on attack and having watched Daly play, he has a lot of BOD about him, watch out for the kid, he is incredibly dangerous – tough game coming up

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.11.16 16:15:58 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 41) : It will definitely be a tough game…but all internationals should be tough..hence the name Tests. I think PSDT can be fine at flank but as you say i would prefer him at lock. This is a big test for Whiteley…if he doesnt produce against these sides he can kiss Bok captaincy and possibly his future place goodbye. We have selected a big pack with lots of ball carriers so lets hope we use those guys to suck in defenders before moving the ball wide…Daly may be a good attacker but if we can get the ball to Venter he is a big and tough guy to bring down as runs hard. I dont think we are combining well enough as a team to get the win here but im hoping for a blood and guts showing from the Boks

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.11.16 16:23:06 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : we beat england 4 years in a row with a big physical pack of forwards so I guess AC is going to play exactly like HM did when he beat England.Hence the big pack he has picked for this game

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.11.16 16:42:04 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) : @ChrisS (Comment 31) : sorry to say but I’m not that impressed with Rohan. Yes he’s huge on attack but on defence with all that size and pace he’s a weak defender! Until he improve on that I don’t think he’s at international level!
    Don’t get me wrong I’m not excited at seeing DDA back in the team but I do think he’s a better defender and will do better at arranging the defensive structures than Rohan and I must say against a top team like England (for me personally) that’s worth more than 1 or 2 linebreaks.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.11.16 16:42:17 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : I am sure the boys will be up for it and will give it there all. I just worry the ball does not get to Venter. Damien does not seem to like the idea of passing, he seems to enjoy running with his head down directly into the opposition, very worrying when you have a 12 like that. Hopefully he offloads on Saturday and brings Venter into the game

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.11.16 16:45:39 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : Agree with you regarding PSDT, he’ll be a fine flanker if he gets an extended run in the position, although he’s doing well come line-out time, but we have enough players who are good there anyway. Very tough one to call but I don’t see us winning an Eddie Jones team soon, their mental strength will pull them through to the end, and once again some of our selections doesn’t make sense at all. Only way I can see us winning is through sheer determination right up to the end, but our mentality to do that isn’t there yet in my opinion. I think Venter might help in regards with some much needed leadership though which should contribute to that mentality, I just hope he actually gets the ball from DDA 🙄

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.11.16 16:47:01 by Quintin Reply
  • @JD (Comment 44) : I fully agree with you there and for me its the same.Its obvious that Jansen van rensburg is in much better form than De Allende.But his lack of defensive organization and passiveness in defense is a concern especially against top quality oposition where like you said two missed tackles counts alot.I do however think he will easilly sort out his defense in the future and with that big frame of his he should be dominating the tackles just like a AE .

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.11.16 16:48:27 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 9) : What?! DDA safe on defence? 😯

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.11.16 18:01:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 12) : I’m worried about the balance of the loose trio too…we lack a bit of pace there. I’ll be interested to see how they go…

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.11.16 18:03:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 21) : I am definitely not in the “everybody” camp! De Allende is a shocking defender…

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.11.16 18:06:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 30) : And far better feet…

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.11.16 18:10:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 44) : I just don’t agree with you. De Allende is a weak defender…we wouldn’t lose anything on that front by playing JvR…

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.11.16 18:15:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 12) : Well the English pack isn’t exactly quick and nimble! Expect a old fashioned war of attrition.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.11.16 18:41:20 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : I understand your dislike of Strauss. But sentiment aside, do we really want to start Marx against an imposing pack, like Englands. Can we afford the risk of our line outs not being accurate? I would have had Marx on the bench though. As for Mohoje, agree he would have been a better option than Carr.

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.11.16 19:20:39 by KingCheetah Reply
  • Alberts is an odd choice at 6, hope it works out

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.11.16 19:35:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 24) : So you would throw Marx to the wolves and start him against a very “salty” English pack, or better still, let’s start with Mbonambi.
    Strauss might not be in the best form of his life, but he is by far the best option for now. We know he will hit his jumpers 9/10 time. He has a very low error rate, so why on earth would you not start with the best option available?

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.11.16 19:43:20 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 54) : Agree with your sentiments on Strauss/Marx…

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.11.16 20:37:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 57) : Thanks Pastor. We all have our favourite players, but sometimes we have to be realistic. England aren’t going to be playing to expansively either. This won’t be a place to expose up and coming forwards. It’s going to be brutal, and I have a gut feel we are going to beat the Poms! They are very confident, and the Boks are hurting! We know what a desperate bok team can do!

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.11.16 20:49:19 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) : I hope you have that spot on too… 😀

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.11.16 21:08:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 52) : it’s just a feeling I have so he might be just as bad as Ronan. However after Saturday I really have zero confidence in the defence of Ronan Venter combo.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.11.16 23:20:59 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 52) : 100% agree. DDA’s defense has been shocking at times. JvR made the best hit of the night against the Barbarians.

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.11.16 07:34:42 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Oupa played badly last week,but who didn’t… He had a few good games for the boks,putting in a lot of tackles(even though a few were highish). You can’t drop a player after one bad game, then there would be no players left! Only reason I can think of,is that car can cover more positions, but I also think Oupa should at least be on the bench.

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.11.16 08:21:12 by HeinF Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 54) :

    It’s not a dislike for Strauss. It’s the fact that he hasn’t shown any form this entire year.

    Add to the fact that he is retiring in a month’s time, surely the plan should be to prep the next in line hooker. What if we had England come over in June with the hookers we have now? Then suddenly Marx and Mbonambi have to step up and face the team. Wouldn’t it be best to have those guys in the pressure situations right now to prepare them for what is to come.

    If Mbonambi is the better scrummer, then hell, go for it, give him the start. The more you back your players the more confidence they will have in themselves.

    Right now, a guy like Marx must be second guessing his every move, getting the start against the Barbarians and then being dropped completely for the big game. This after Bongi came on and made a mess of at least 2 line outs.

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.11.16 08:23:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 56) :

    Look, you make a valid point.

    But where I disagree with you is the fact that you say we are throwing him to the wolves. I think it is more a case of backing a player and letting them go out there confident.

    You say Strauss has a low error rate and he is the best we have right now, but he isn’t around anymore in a month’s time. What then? Now you have a few hookers in the country each with 2 caps and no actual experience of facing up to the All Blacks and Engalnd in the scrums. This is how you prepare them.

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.11.16 08:27:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • My feeling on AC this year is that he has grouped together pretty much the right ingredients in the kitchen but doesnt have the recipe to put it all together and is kind of just winging it with trial and error-not the best strategy if you ask any baker.
    So to tweak his team he picked for Saturday, mine would look like this:
    1. Beast Mtawarira, 2. Adriaan Strauss (Capt), 3. Lourens Adriaanse, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 5. Pieter-Steph DuToit, 6. Willem Alberts, 7. Jean Luc DuPreez, 8. Warren Whiteley, 9. Rudi Paige, 10. Pat Lambie, 11. Damien De Allende, 12. Rohan Janse Van Rensburg, 13. Francois Venter, 14. Ruan Combrinck, 15. Willie le Roux.

    Substitues: 16. Malcom Marx, 17. Steven Kitshoff, 18. Vincent Koch, 19. Franco Mostert, 20. Nizaam Carr, 21. Faf de Klerk, 22. Elton Jantjies, 23. Johan Goosen

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.11.16 08:29:16 by SheldonK Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 62) :

    It comes down to player being backed the entire Bok season so far and suddenly being dropped from the 23 on nothing more than a rumour that Carr is better. I’m not Mohoje’s biggest fan, but the inconsistencies in the selection, and how the players’ mentalspace must be in the camp is what is letting the team down at the moment.

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.11.16 08:29:42 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • There is simply no plan, no thinking in advance.

    Simple thing:

    We all know Bongi is the better tight hooker, why not let him start the match against the Barbarians, where he would have been throwing at PSdT and Eben later in the match, scrumming with Beast and co. Getting the combo’s working.

    Surely AC didn’t wake up on Monday morning to realise Bongi would be the better option?

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.11.16 08:36:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 66) : Food for thought on this….would Mahoje not be a good lock option? And would PSDT not be a better flank option? It could both appease the colour by numbers guys (shhh) and also solve the who is going to play 7 going forward issue.

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.11.16 08:36:15 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 67) : Do you not think AC is giving Strauss 1 last go against England and then may do as you say against Italy and Wales?

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.11.16 08:37:53 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) :

    PSdT has had a great season, playing at lock and building a huge combo with Eben. And it has been one of very few combos that AC has got right so far this year, and now we break it.

    Yes he could play flank, we will see how he goes against a great team on the weekend, but why mess him around now? Is there really not one 7 out there that can play for the Boks? Is he mobile enough on the flank, and is his defence up to scratch? Do you really think WP will put him on the side of the scrum during the Super Season?

    Look I don’t know, I’m not a coach, but surely somewhere someone would have seen that he is a better 7?

    Regarding Mohoje playing lock, most of the questions above are also relevant. Why has it never been done before? Is he a strong enough scrummager for it to work? If you really want to go that far, you have to ask if he is better then Lood or Mosters? Or even Lewies?

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.11.16 08:47:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 70) : Yeh look PSDT has been good at lock dont get me wrong BUT he has all the attributes to be a very good 7 and with so many other good locks around is it that much of a bad idea going forward? But then as you say he must play there and be conditioned to play there for WP- they also dont have a stand out 7. In terms of Mahoje- he has played lock for the Cheetahs before and with Lood now gone and their loose trio being pretty good in CC would the move to lock and leaving Cassiem at 7 not better in the better interests. I say all this with the view to going forward- personally i would still have picked PSDT at lock this game. But hey what does AC have to loose really? Its not like his previous combos have been excelling

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.11.16 08:52:15 by SheldonK Reply
  • In any team you need a solid 4-8 so looking forward these are possible options in some of the SA Teams
    Sharks: E Oosthuizen, Lewies, DuPreez, DuPreez, Van Der Walt
    WP: Etzebeth, Schickerling, Carr, PSDT, Notshe
    Lions: Mostert,Orie , Kriel, Ackermann, Whiteley
    Cheetahs: Mahoje, Hugo, Schoeman, Cassiem, Prinsloo
    Bulls: Syman, De Jager, Smit, Kirsten, Botha
    International: Willemse,Bresler , Coetzee,J DuPlessis , Vermuelen

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.11.16 09:04:19 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) :

    I would make one change to the International team, I really think Mike Rhodes should be in there

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.11.16 09:06:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Everyone is always yelling “Blood the youngsters!”, and sometimes experience is better. However EOYT is the best time to “blood the youngsters”. There is no trophy at stake, its two teams at opposite ends of their respective seasons. EOYT should be used as experiment, to some degree, but when the incumbent is retiring in a month!!! It should be a no-brainer… 🙄

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.11.16 09:07:14 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 71) :

    Yeah look, it’s a valid suggestion and it is really something that would work all the way down to the Super Rugby teams. It just needs the buy in from the players themselves and their coaches.

    Could be a revelation, and we need a few of those..

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.11.16 09:09:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • This has to be Coetzee’s last throw of the dice, another 50 point mauling is totally unacceptable.
    He has picked the best team available to him, he has dropped Mohojo and relegated Carr to the bench.
    My problem is with Carr on the bench, he is going to have to come on at some time
    De jagger and Alberts haven’t played 60 mins for ages. Mohojo is just more phyiscally prepared to replace those big men.
    PSDT is an amazing player and could play 9 if he had to.
    Mostert should have started ahead of deJager,he’s fitter and primed to go 80 min.
    Would have started Goosen ahead of Le Roux,he’s got excellent form in Europe and is a better place kicker than Pat.
    And finally for my ten cents worth I still haven’t seen a Faf/Pat combination.

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.11.16 09:10:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 40) : did you ever see Mark Andrews or Andre Joubert play ?

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.11.16 09:12:50 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 73) : Those combos were a bit of a quick thumb suck so i probably missed a few guys but it still looks decent. @Richard Ferguson (Comment 75) : And yeh as i said its just a case of looking forward and saying what can we do individually to improve the collective.

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.11.16 09:31:44 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 77) : Bet he never heard of this guy either,

    Most of these kids here think rugby was invented by Victor Mattfield

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.11.16 09:57:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : Some food for thought…since the turn of professionalism…which Boks do you think our current players need to emulate in terms of conditioning and skillset?

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.11.16 10:05:47 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 66) : Yes,I agree. Look, if Carr was clearly the better player,then fine. He is not though,so just dropping a player is just not good management. On that note, still not convinced on psdt as a flank. You have cassiem and du preez who are both physical players with great skills whovare actual flanks, why not play them…?

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.11.16 10:10:01 by HeinF Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 81) : It comes back to my point about AC having the right ingredients but messing up the recipe

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.11.16 10:15:51 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : Thats a difficult one, There are a helluva lot of players I can only try and give you my favorites
    Firstly you’d have to say Os du Randt,two full 80 minWorld cup winS 12years apart that will never be repeated by a prop.
    Andre Joubert for just the most beautiful exciting running,pureWorld class
    Bakkies Botha for raw natural power and 100% commitment.
    I loved Lem and Pieter Muller,I also was a huge fan of Jaapie Mulder,Andre Venter,but my favorite loosie was Reuben Kruger,
    There are so many, but strangely Still haven’t put down one playing today.

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.11.16 10:18:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : yep, think AC is showing he is desperate here. You want psdt on the field, but effectively replacing either of du preez or cassiem with lood, is just not good thinking, his form is nowhere near what it was last year. In his desperation, he is going for experience above all else for saturday.

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.11.16 10:28:10 by HeinF Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 83) : I know its a difficult one but perhaps its one that should have been discussed during that rugby indaba. Who are the great pros of the Boks that we need our current players to emulate.
    I would agree with all yours mentioned…
    Os – we need our front row to both be good in the scrum but also contribute around the park
    Bakkies- again good at his core skills but also brought the fire and brimstone to the Bok pack
    Reuben Kruger- tough as nails but also good at the core skills
    Same with Backs such as Honiball and Joubert…tough as nails with good core skills.
    And we seem to have a recurring theme here- players that good perform their core functions well but also had a very tough uncompromising physical and mental edge…and all were very fit. So we want to know what to look for in terms of producing players to beat the best in the world- well there is the blueprint.

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.11.16 10:28:48 by SheldonK Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 84) : Yeh look obviously the buck stops with AC but i cant help but feel this is where strong assistants would come into it and help him. If he had a strong assistant saying back a DuPreez and/or Cassiem because i do then it makes his job easier and perhaps alleviates some of that doubt. Im very much of the opinion that we should worry less about a bladdy game plan and more about putting better combos out there and let the game plan take care of itsself

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.11.16 10:32:03 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : I agree in part, think they should start sticking with combo’s that work and as for the ones that don’t let the experienced underperforming player go and give someone else a chance. We all know that this is the time to try out van rensburg at 12 and marx at 2, but because AC is fearing for his job, he has to stay with what he believe is the safer option. He knows having all 3 those locks on the field is safe,as they have all played with him for the year and a while before for the boks. I don’t even want to count the amount of combinations of locks,loosies and centres that we have tried this year

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.11.16 10:51:14 by HeinF Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 87) : Yup i agree…its a fear of failure. And its a common thing in SA rugby it seems both in the coaching and the players. I think this Eng game is actually at such a bad time for Bok rugby. If the Boks had Scotland, Italy and Wales on this tour then it would provide a great platform to introduce the new generation etc. Nobody is giving AC a hope of beating Eng and when he does lose they will heavily criticise him which will only lead to more fear of failure and well im sure you can see where im going with this…

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.11.16 10:57:40 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 63) : That is a valid point! Hence why I said start with Strauss, and bring Marx off from the bench once the edge has been taken off the England pack. They should have started that process in June though!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.11.16 10:59:28 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 76) : Yep, in may ways this could be a defining game for Coetzee and the team. A win will have immense consequences for all. I hope they can do it.

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.11.16 11:02:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 89) : I think if they’d started with Bismark and brought on Straus when the edge was taken off the pack, in June, we wouldn’t be in this position.

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.11.16 11:05:31 by The hound Reply
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  • I don’t think I have ever seen a Bok team with so many line out options,shit Whitely is a mean jumper as well only Alberts who can’t jump
    I think we will be doing lots of kicking for territory and contesting every line out, thats why Goosen a t 15 would have been a better option, but Combrink has a good boot on him.

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.11.16 11:16:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : Yep, no end in sight. If we do manage to win this game, it would be with the old style of play. Is he then going to stick with it, because if he changes the way he plays again next year and loose again, he will just be back where he started one year later. If only everyone could accept that this was a very bad year, write it off and give them free license to just blood youngsters and work on the new gameplan (or plan that should be there), so that hopefully next year would be better!

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.11.16 11:16:16 by HeinF Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 93) : Doesnt seem to be much foresight in Sa rugby from the admin to coaches to players and even fans…

  • Comment 94, posted at 11.11.16 11:21:36 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : I think AC is being smart by not throwing the promising du Preez twin to the wolves. He can play him off the bench against Wales and Italy IMHO

  • Comment 95, posted at 11.11.16 11:30:35 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 95) : Agree 100% would have preferred him to be with his brother at he Barbarians,getting 3 weeks of free coaching from Robbie Deans

  • Comment 96, posted at 11.11.16 11:35:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 71) : I can’t see Mohoje being used at lock at the Cheetahs unless there is an injury crisis. Carl Wegner should be back, Reniel Hugo has been outstanding, and with Justin Basson having stepped up well, I can’t see it!

    Though true that the Cheetahs have lots of loosie options I think it’s best to rotate Mohoje with Henco Venter, and allow Cassiem to settle at 8 rotating with Neill Jordaan. Unless Willie Britz is back too.
    I think Boom and Paul Schoeman will be the 6 options

  • Comment 97, posted at 11.11.16 11:36:07 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 74) : Normally yes, but it is still a test and ideally it would be great for our rankings to beat England. For that we need our A game. Strauss is our best option for this match!!
    By all means play Marx/Mbonambi in the last two.

  • Comment 98, posted at 11.11.16 11:39:30 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 97) : Thats fair enough, i just feel its a position he can excel at. Cassiem is more of a 7 than 8. I think the Cheetah pack with Mahoje and Hugo at lock and Schoeman, Cassiem and Prinsloo would give you the best impact. Allt hose guys are mobile, good handling and can tackle.

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.11.16 11:40:27 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : Conditioning definitely Andre Venter. He was always as fit as could be expected. Was no slouch in the skillset either.

  • Comment 100, posted at 11.11.16 11:41:59 by KingCheetah Reply
  • Interesting read on an interview with Rob Andrew on news 24…he feels Pollard is the way forward for the Boks at 10. Interesting how many in the international community think that.

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.11.16 11:42:29 by SheldonK Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 100) : If you look at our current players, even the hyped up ones, how many come up short in one of the three categories of fitness, core skills and physicality.

  • Comment 102, posted at 11.11.16 11:45:20 by SheldonK Reply
  • @HeinF (Comment 81) : Do we really want to wreck two promising players careers by starting them against one of the more imposing packs in international rugby?
    Having a guy weighing in at 126Kg at a young du Preez would be unfair. Ditto for Cassiem. They have the skills, let them find their feet against Wales or Italy

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.11.16 11:46:10 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 91) : Agreed! Bismarck was back on form and Strauss needed to find his mojo. He was always better having to push Bissie for a place

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.11.16 11:52:02 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 79) : hahahahaha yeah ill take some stick for being a bit “nat agter die ore”

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.11.16 12:57:10 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 73) : He is a good player Rhodes.Give it three years then he will play for England.Its sad that we are loosing so many talent.

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.11.16 12:58:37 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • So for interest sake i was looking at a possible current injured Bok XV:
    1. Dylan Smit 2. Bismarck DuPlessis 3. Julian Redelinghuis 4.?? 5. Stephan Lewies 6. Jaco Kriel 7. Marcel Coetzee 8. Francois Louw 9. Cobus Reinach 10.Handre Pollard 11. Bryan Habana 12. Jan Serfontein 13. Juan De Jongh 14.?? 15 Jesse Kriel
    Just couldnt think of a 4 and 14?

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.11.16 13:01:47 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : He is telling the truth.

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.11.16 13:05:42 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : Why if Lood de jager was Sa player of the Year in 2015 and PSDT was in 2016 would you want to play PSDT at lock? Shouldnt we have PSDT,Etzebeth and lood all in the same starting line up.I know lood hasnt playd much rugby this year but just think back at his games in the WC last year . He was by far one of the best locks at that tournament.I dont see the point in benching lood when PSDT can easily play 7

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.11.16 13:07:13 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 109) : I think Lood’s form and discipline in 2016 is why but i agree with you that no reason why we cant accommodate all,

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.11.16 13:09:00 by SheldonK Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 105) : Was that guy big enough for you.

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.11.16 13:12:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : Its his fitness that is suspect

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.11.16 13:13:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 112) : Lood’s or PSDT?

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.11.16 13:13:33 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 108) : Do you think we have someone at SARU doing that same role that Rob Andrews did for England?

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.11.16 13:14:23 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Zibbie (Comment 77) : I was born in 98 so nope i have never seen those legends play ,only heard of them

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.11.16 13:16:10 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 115) : Thats cool,I like your confidence for an 18 year old, but don’t make the mistake that most of your contemporaries do that the world was formed on google,

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.11.16 13:20:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : I heard about that legendary tackle he made on cottrel.Apparently he was a big guy at 12 alot like AE.I supose You must have been at that game that day 🙂

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.11.16 13:21:30 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 117) : I would love to say that I was there but that game was at Loftus in the early 70’s and the only soutie that went there in those days was Reg Park.
    There was no TV that was only introduced in 76.What you are looking at here is news footage from the Cinema newsreel that was played before the main movie at the Bioscope.
    But you can rest assured every South African male felt that tackle every time it was played.
    Joggie Jansen was a beast of a man.

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.11.16 14:40:57 by The hound Reply
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  • Well so.much for distribution with de Paige and de Allende in we can expect slow ball and poor ditribution. JvR and Venter would have been a better combo. AC just spitballing again…as usual.

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.11.16 15:52:45 by coolfusion Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 118) : Reg park …..lmao… ..Ive got a feeling Loftus weren’t so kind to our Natalians in those days.

  • Comment 120, posted at 11.11.16 16:20:03 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 120) : no one on here talking about allen dell starting for scotland, I use to really rate that kid when he was with us, very mobile prop, reminds me of trevor

  • Comment 121, posted at 11.11.16 17:25:52 by revolverocelot Reply
  • @revolverocelot (Comment 121) : Ive never heard of him??so will see this weekend

  • Comment 122, posted at 11.11.16 18:12:14 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 121) : There is an article about him starting for Scotland on this site ❓ ❓

  • Comment 123, posted at 11.11.16 18:15:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 83) : You just warmed my heart…

  • Comment 124, posted at 11.11.16 18:32:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 123) : thanks DB

  • Comment 125, posted at 11.11.16 19:43:34 by revolverocelot Reply
  • @revolverocelot (Comment 125) : Pleasure 😀

  • Comment 126, posted at 11.11.16 20:55:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 30) : you can’t be serious, in the cases he ran into players those players were already in his channel with very little space for him to properly use his feet. Only option was to use his strength to get over the gain line. The question you should be asking yourself when comparing the two players is, which of the two offers you more options on attack? Which player is less predictable? Which player are defenders more likely to worry about? Which player will gain you more meters? Which player will give you more momentum. Damien and Rohan are so far apart it’s not even funny.

  • Comment 127, posted at 12.11.16 08:19:49 by GreatSharksays Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 116) : what do you meen the world was not formed on Google?!?! 😉

  • Comment 128, posted at 12.11.16 09:58:43 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 104) : did you watch the Barbarians vs Fiji? Think Akker vd Merwe did himself a huge favour in the games he played for Barbarians. Showed Marx is not the only young hooker in SA pushing for international rugby!

  • Comment 129, posted at 12.11.16 10:03:12 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 129) : I didn’t, but I was just saying to a friend, that the tragedy is that once Strauss has retired from tests, Mbonambi isn’t even our 4th best emerging hooker!
    Marx, Akker, and Robbie Coetzee are all better options.

  • Comment 130, posted at 12.11.16 10:28:57 by KingCheetah Reply
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 127) : I disagree ,Only becuase Jansen van rensburg makes so many meters over the gain line everyone goes on about how unpredictable he is.Tell me how many times he offloads in the tackle?.He hardly ever passes the ball he insist on taking it up powerfully.I am not hating on the guy infact he is the best 12 we have attacking wise.But I dont agree with you saying is is unpredictable

  • Comment 131, posted at 12.11.16 10:33:31 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 130) : you are forgetting Alistar Coetzee’s favorite,Scarra Ntubeni
    I think the Sharks should go all out to get Akker,he’s not going to be happy playing third hooker at the Lions.

  • Comment 132, posted at 12.11.16 11:35:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 127) : Mate why you even debating such nonsense,the one player was one of the top players in SR and top try scorer ,the other hyped up beyond nonsense by the Cape press to be the best 12 ever,even better than FS,but hey Absolutely Clueless will stick with his rank average players

  • Comment 133, posted at 12.11.16 12:00:39 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 133) : oh and the one runs the gap like a knife through hot butter, or passes in time to free others up,while the othet is slow,runs into contact and gives turnover always

  • Comment 134, posted at 12.11.16 12:10:49 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 132) : I fully agree

  • Comment 135, posted at 12.11.16 12:26:38 by benji Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 109) : @SheldonK (Comment 110) : Do you guys perhaps now see why PSDT is not a world class 7 and needs to play lock? He is too big and heavy. We can’t accommodate two flanks at 120kg apiece. Modern rugby has changed where it is not all about size. Pieter was horribly embarrassed twice by Youngs, he is marking a channel around the ruck that he is not used too. Not sure where Alberrs was, probably lying on the ruck trying to get air. JL needs to come in, Etzebeth dropped and Lood and PSDT starting locks. Etzebeth needs to get back in form, he is not playing well. For Italy, I hope we try a more exciting team, Lambie I am afraid is also not playing well. Willie seems to spark our back line going forward onto the ball, perhaps we need to turn him into our very own Larkham, play him at fly half against Italy and let’s see what he can do.

  • Comment 136, posted at 13.11.16 13:22:47 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 136) : Etzebeth is a big pussy.All the people trying to turn him into bakkies but the fact is he wont turn into bakkies because he’s just a pussy with anger isues .And yeah I was wrong about my size obsesion in the loose trio.We need faster ,skillfull and mobile players not our current inbreds with rocks for brains.I like that skinny legged guy Notshe from province he is quick and has good feet but most importantly he plays with his brain ,that guy with whitley and Kriel would do much better than Vermeulwn,du toit,alberts.And we need to tell AC to piss of and get ackers with franco smith as our coaches coaching us modern day rugby

  • Comment 137, posted at 13.11.16 15:35:15 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 136) : ja must say I agree with playing PSDT only as a lock. With Alberts they were way to slow. Hope this will show that we need some of the youngsters to play in place of Alberts and locks playing 7.

  • Comment 138, posted at 13.11.16 19:16:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 136) : PSDT poor defense around the ruck had nothing to do with him being a flank, if he was a lock or prop or any other position he or any other player would be required to fulfill that defensive position off a break down. As a school player you learn to cover pillar/post fist and then shift outwards only after the ball moves. Thats the basics of the game. Irresptive the number on his back he should have been doing that. Fact is our heavier pack kept us in the game until Combrinck had a brain fart. Yes we have loosies that can run around a bit but they get beaten up in the contact- whiteley case in point. So yes Move PSDT to lock (i agree with that), but bring a big loosie in like JL DuPreez to replace him.

  • Comment 139, posted at 14.11.16 07:47:18 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 139) : I disagree with you on your pillar/post position theory. You always want your heavies as close to the ruck as possible, it is an area they can least be exposed – if your locks and props are standing outside a 3 metre area around the ruck, they are exposed, as they are too slow. your heavies are there to stand and stop the pick and go – you can agree with me or not, that is my coaching style and philosophy. As a centre, you give me a lock or prop in midfield and I am smiling – he may get a finger on me and slow me down, but at the very least I will make ground and get an offload. Pieter was too wide off the ruck, he is a lock and needs to stand on the ruck, he can’t defend the 10 channel, no way. JL is a big boy, but gives up 10kg on Pieter, this is a massive difference. I am not sure how you can say our big forwards kept us in the game – that was still the first half. Truth be told, if England were more ruthless, they could easily have put 50 on us, they went to sleep and to rub salt into an already deep wound, Jones reckons England played kak – aka, how shit are we?

  • Comment 140, posted at 14.11.16 12:47:08 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 137) : I agree on Etzebeth, while I would never call him a pussy, as he would rip my head off and if he did not his uncles would, I do feel he will never be a Bakkies or Mark Andrews. He does not hit rucks and make the big hits they do. It seems as if he had one run in his career where his shoulder hit Bismark on the chin and dropped him, since then, much hype about what? Perhaps he is best suited as a super sub, I am not sure, but ja, he is certainly not a Bakkies botha

  • Comment 141, posted at 14.11.16 12:49:31 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @JD (Comment 138) : Ja bud, like I said earlier in the week, we going back to 2007 – bigger is better, bull shit!!! 110KG is fine for a loosie, more than fine, ask Mccaw who weighed a max of 107kg, all about balance

  • Comment 142, posted at 14.11.16 12:51:32 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 140) : I still dont see how PSDt defensive errors were because he was wearing 7 not 5? Either way he should have known like every playr should no matter the number of their back that you defend from the ruck outwards and always have your pillar/post in position first before fanning out. Yes heavies can shift in but the opposition isnt going to wait for that to happen in broken play, layers have to fill from the inside out…thats u14 stuff. If it wasnt for JPP and Combrinck’s brain fart our big pack would have kept us in the game. The halftime score put zero pressure on Eng in the second half- would have been totally different if we werent chasing the game that much. The JPP/Combrinck erros cost the Boks that game

  • Comment 143, posted at 14.11.16 12:55:53 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 143) : Because at 5 you would expect him closer in at the ruck, not watching the 10? to be fair, there was no one watching the 9, so Du Toit was caught in no mans land, watching the 10 as a flank should do, but he had no one on his inside watching the 9 – look either way, I don’t feel a 120kg plus player can be accommodated at flank anymore, especially not 2 in the same pack. Combrinks error came off pressure from England, JP stuffed up first, England then went down the line nicely and Daly saw an opening in behind Combrink, you can also ask yourself where Willie was? I told you last week to watch Daly, he is an intelligent player and saw the space behind. Combrink did what he did because he got a call from someone, someone told him to pop the ball up, not sure who. England were there in numbers and would have forced a turnover, which in hindsight would have been better – 3 vs 7. The only thing good about our heavy pack, was that we scrummed well. But that will never last over the course of the game – did you even see Alberts?

  • Comment 144, posted at 14.11.16 13:04:07 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 144) : I know i had a couple beers during the game but i definitely see those situations differently. PSDT should have taken it apon himself to tak up the channel close to the ruck first and call others in, thats the basics and im sorry he is 100% to blame irrespective of the number on his back. That kick through from Daly was very average, Combrinck didnt make any effort to track back quickly- Le Roux was there waiting for him to field it and pass it to him to clear but Combrinck took his time as he thought he was too good- again no excuse 100% his error. Alberts was all over in the first half making tackles and carries- he even smashed backline players. I know he isnt a favourite but at least be fair on him. Where was the light Whiteley in the 1st half??? I can tell you- hiding

  • Comment 145, posted at 14.11.16 13:16:53 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : I tell you, we are never going to agree on anything :mrgreen: The kick from Daly was perfectly placed, come on now. Remember I said this to you last week, Whiteley would be ineffective against England, you can go and look at what I posted – he suits teams like France and the Aussies, England and the All Blacks seem to be too physical for him, so perhaps we agree on that point? What honestly worries me, is what other loose forwards do we actually turn too? JL must start, Cassiem? Carr to me is not great, but perhaps drop Whiteley and go in this weekend against Italy with JL, Cassiem and Carr – I rated Whiteley highly during Super Rugby but at this point, he is not stepping up to the plate.

  • Comment 146, posted at 14.11.16 15:32:56 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 146) : Its often funny how through strong disagreement the best plans are formulated as they are based on substance. The more i watch Whiteley the more i get the feeling that he is a good super rugby player punching above his weight, especially if the game is tight. At one stage i liked what Carr was producing as he was robust and physical but still had that mobility and skill, he seems to have lost that robust nature and like Whiteley stands on the wing instead of putting his head in the tough stuff- reminds me of Pierre Spies. Tough to see who to select for Italy and Wales but id lean to 6. DuPreez 7. Cassiem 8. Whiteley over Carr. As for the Daly kick- my issue is more with the lazy attempt by Combrinck to field it than the kick itself

  • Comment 147, posted at 14.11.16 15:47:30 by SheldonK Reply
  • It has probably been asked and answered before. But does anyone know why Marcel l Coetzee and Brussouw have not yet been approached? Injuries?

  • Comment 148, posted at 14.11.16 16:14:19 by coolfusion Reply
  • @coolfusion (Comment 148) : Marcel out till next year with ACL reconstruction and Brussouw has no release in Jap contract

  • Comment 149, posted at 14.11.16 16:17:07 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 142) : ja for sure! Need to have a rethink about his selection of the whole tour group before selecting his teams for next year!!!!!

  • Comment 150, posted at 14.11.16 16:27:25 by JD Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld JD
  • @SheldonK (Comment 147) : At this current stage, perhaps we must just start Carr against Italy and see how he goes – he was extremely good at one point, after his injury, he has not been effective, perhaps his mind is gone, hard to say. Maybe and just maybe, if we select JL and Cassiem, we can put Alberts at 8, I am not feeling Whiteley at all – let him come on as an impact player, if he makes no impact – then drop him completely, he has had enough chances. Give Ginga a go at 8 next year.

  • Comment 151, posted at 14.11.16 16:33:27 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @JD (Comment 150) : That is for sure but I also have a funny suspicion that these players do not respect the current management and that is leading to a lot of the issues.

  • Comment 152, posted at 14.11.16 16:34:14 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 149) : Remember we had an argument/debate on the role of a fetcher in a side. You did make a valid point when you said the game has evolved to a point where every player needs to be a fetcher. The problem at the moment, if you look at our breakdown work, it is terrible. Venter tried his utmost and I will not have a go at him, but his technique at the tackle area when England got the penalty just before half time, was terrible. It looks like we put no thought into the breakdown area

  • Comment 153, posted at 14.11.16 16:38:04 by Vonno13 Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 153) : As was the case against the barbarians too. They turned us over at will.

  • Comment 154, posted at 14.11.16 17:04:51 by coolfusion Reply
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 152) : time to cut the roten appels!?!?!

  • Comment 155, posted at 14.11.16 18:15:38 by JD Reply
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