Richard Ferguson

The aftermath

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 14 Nov 2016 at 09:02
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The Springboks came unstuck against the English this weekend, losing their 6th game of the season with 2 matches remaining. Our coach now boasts a 40% win record after 10 games. Where to from here?

The Springboks next face Italy and then move on to a much tougher assignment, Wales. The question now is, what do we want Allister Coetzee to do? Does playing your best team against Italy to thrash them build enough momentum to take into the Wales clash?

If that is in fact the case, who is our best team? Seeing as England was our toughest match of the tour, is the team that lost this weekend the team that will run out against Italy?

All I can say with relative comfort – no matter the team we choose this weekend, we are sure to win. Italy have lost a lot of ground on the rest of the bigger nations, and no matter how bad we play, there can be no chance of a loss to Italy.


  • “no matter how bad we play, there can be no chance of a loss to Italy”

    A little over a year ago we would have said the exact same thing about Japan, and that Bok side was miles ahead of this one

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.11.16 09:15:32 by Die Kriek Reply
  • @Die Kriek (Comment 1) :

    Yes, but the Italians have been on a downward slope for the last few years, while the Japanese was in a building phase just to the World Cup.

    I hear you, but I doubt that would happen.

    If it does, we are deeper trouble than we think..

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.11.16 09:19:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Italy have been very poor and were poor again on the weekend. Wales on the other hand improved a lot since the game vs Australia and they will be very tough. The Boks need to send out the best possible team to get some form of moral boosting win against Italy…if not the Wales game could get ugly with confidence very low.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.11.16 09:48:35 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Welsh are also a team under pressure and a win against us will be a huge moral booster.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.11.16 09:50:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 4) : U can bet they are going to go full out against a Bok side they can see as very beatable. They arent the same Wales side as in the past but still a very good side

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.11.16 09:52:55 by SheldonK Reply
  • Also not sure what the Lions defensive guy is doing but my goodness surely he is telling them the basics of pillar/post defense…

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.11.16 09:54:25 by SheldonK Reply
  • So we need to make sure the team this weekend is the team that takes on Wales.

    Except maybe for Eben that might miss this weekend. That actually gives us a nice opportunity to play both Mostert and Lood to see how they go..

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.11.16 09:55:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) :

    Have you seen the training schedules from SARU?

    Its ridiculous, they have 2hrs on a Monday, another 2hrs on Tuesday, Wednesday off, Thursday 2hrs again and Captain run on Friday.

    Do you think these new coaches are able to make any inroads in such a short timespan?

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.11.16 09:56:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Sunday, 13 November (no media activities)
    16h15 – 19h30 Springbok squad transfer from London to Florence, Italy
    Monday, 14 November
    12h00– 12h30: Media conference with coach and one player at team hotel;
    14h15 – 16h00: Field training session, Guelfi Stadium (first 15 mins open for media filming);
    Tuesday, 15 November
    14h00 – 14h30: Media conference with an assistant coach and one player, team hotel;
    15h45 – 16h15: Media filming opportunity at the gym session (media must confirm their attendance to the gym session 24 hours in advance);
    Wednesday, 16 November
    Training and media free day;
    Thursday, 17 November
    13h00 – 13h45:  Team announcement media conference with coach and team manager, followed by media mixed with selected players at team hotel;
    Friday, 18 November
    10h00 – 10h25: Captain’s media conference, team hotel;
    11h30 – 11h35: Springbok team photograph, team hotel (media filming, no interviews);
    13h00 – 14h00: Captain’s Run

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.11.16 09:57:50 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) :

    That’s the schedule for this week…

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.11.16 09:58:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : Yeh look in that time frame im not expecting miracles…what i am expecting is the basics you learn at u14 to be in place though.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.11.16 09:59:14 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : Remember that they also had 2 weeks in JHb prior to this tour- but that means nothing as we pick overseas based players so that 2 weeks was a waste

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.11.16 10:00:18 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) :


    You need these defence and attacking and even skills coaches to go around to every single union and get every single south african player thinking in the same way, and getting them all upskilled. That already will make a massive difference.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.11.16 10:05:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 13) : There is no point in doing that when you picking foreign players. Its a waste of time. Either all players are on the same page or dont waste time and just wing it.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.11.16 10:08:00 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) :


  • Comment 15, posted at 14.11.16 10:09:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • We could field our best team against a team that has nothing to lose. But we risk injury to key players at the same time. This calls for a balanced approach I. M.O. since we don’t need the best to beat Italy but must ensure we protect the best for Wales.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.11.16 10:12:33 by coolfusion Reply
  • Never say never…

    There is nothing to get a “smaller” nation going at home than playing against a “bigger” nation thats under pressure.

    If they get momentum during the first 20 minutes, its going to be a long day for the boks…

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.11.16 10:25:33 by VanWilder Reply
  • @coolfusion (Comment 16) : Carrying on from the previous thread, I agree with Hound on this one. We need to play the same team who’s going to take on Wales against Italy. Mixing and matching every game won’t do the combo’s any good, we need some continuity. I understand we don’t have to play our best team against a weak Italy side as well as the potential injury concerns, but we can’t build a team if we are afraid to lose players the whole time, injuries are part of the game, sometimes they happen, sometimes they don’t, it’s a risk that’s as part of rugby as anything else is.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.11.16 10:25:41 by Quintin Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : Its why i believe they need to make the big call and go one of 2 ways: 1. Pick only local players and get everyone on the same wavelength in terms of conditioning, skills etc. or 2. Pick an SA Barbarians side that arrive a couple days before each test and no need for camps and coaches on retainers etc.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.11.16 10:26:36 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : I find it laughable that we have guys playing Springbok rugby that need to be taught how to defend.Shit one would have thought that by the time you were given that jersey you knew how to play the game.
    Coaching at this level for me is how to build the individuals into a cohesive team.Its not about individual skills.
    Coetzee’s problem is that he has created a toxic environment and has no way to counter the disunity in that camp.
    He has no strong characters and no leaders.There is no Gary Teich,John Smit,Victor Mattfield,no Duanne Vermullen,Bismark ,or even Frans Steyn.
    He has Straus who is just an average guy,Whitely who is batling for his position,Habbanna who is now picking his games in which to increase his records,JPPwho is so fucken disinterested, and nothing else in terms of leadership.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.11.16 10:27:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 16) :
    @Quintin (Comment 18) :

    I hear you, but its the same as saying we need to not play our best team against England, because what if injury happens and they cant play the rest of the tour.

    Play the best until there are injuries and then bring in the next best..

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.11.16 10:33:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 20) :

    Some great points in there..

    By the time you are the best in your country, which is what you should be if you get to wear the Bok jersey, you should already have basic skills.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.11.16 10:35:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : Yes as you say there is no leadership both on and off the field. Players look like dear in the headlights. And unfortunately there is no easy fix. professionals port is all about confidence, if you dont have it you are stuffed.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.11.16 10:35:29 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : The coaches prime function is to build an environment that encourages that.
    Watch what Deans has done with that Barbarians team, he has made each one of those guys feel like they are a part of something special in such a short time.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.11.16 10:40:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : To be honest i think its slightly easier for Dean at the Barbarians- would be a very very different task with the Boks. I believe guys need to step up to the plate as they did when PDV was in charge…probably is we dont have those strong willed players. They all just look weak…especially mentally

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.11.16 10:44:53 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 21) : I’m not saying don’t play the best. I’m saying get a balance. Does it have to be 100% one or the other? 70% of the intended run on team for next week and 30% swopping the bench player for the run on. Combrinck Goosen Faf etc.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.11.16 10:53:03 by coolfusion Reply
  • So the question is who did enough vs England to retain their place. The front row did well in the scrums but was that a result of us playing locks at flank perhaps.
    For me the guys that i noticed:
    1. Beast- probably his best game in a Bok jersey in a while to be honest.
    2. Alberts- made a lot of tackles which stopped Eng ball carriers and offered himself as a ball carrier often
    3. Goosen- the Bok attack looked a lot better when the flyhalf attacked the line and fired off flat passes
    4. Willie Le Roux- added stability at the back and brought the ball back well without any help from his wings

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.11.16 11:25:17 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Willie’s exit kicking is terrible, put us under pressure a couple times but we are short on options there especially if you consider my next point. Agree on Goosen, Lambie doesn’t look like the guy we knew before his injury, not match fit yet and looks afraid of taking contact, which is understandable after his injury, he shouldn’t be playing yet. Beast and Alberts were looking good, agree on them as well although I think PSdT should stay in the tight 5, thought he we do much better than he did before the match.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.11.16 13:13:24 by Quintin Reply
  • @Quintin (Comment 28) : Look leRoux isnt perfect but if i look at the other 15s we have had- Goosen, Lambie, Kriel, Combrinck…id pick him above them. Lambie on current play shouldnt be in the 23- id start Goosen and then bring Jantjies on the bench although on current form Rob DuPreez should be. I have no problem with PSDT back at 5 as long as we dont pick a pipsqueak like Carr in his place at flank

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.11.16 13:22:00 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : nice relaxing week!!! Hope it does not bite them in the ass as after Saturday I would have expected a lot more training than 6 odd houres for the week!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.11.16 16:13:59 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 30) : Its end of the season/middle of season so guess they trying to manage work load/ recovery time

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.11.16 16:16:04 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : yes they need to mangae it but then again it’s two games that they want to win and after two weeks of shocking defence they really need to work on it as it will not magically get better!!!

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.11.16 17:55:02 by JD Reply
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  • Unless AC unshackles the players any major changes are meaningless

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.11.16 19:56:49 by Baylion Reply
  • @JD (Comment 32) : The defensive errors are not highly technical stuff, its stuff you learn at u14 level- well least i did. Pillar/post defense must be in place first and dont shift, rest of the players then fill from the inside out and only shift after the ball is passed. Then lastly line speed to take up the opposition space and hit them hard and low and take them to the ground. Thats the basics of defense we arent getting right and for top professionals there is no excuse for that.

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.11.16 08:00:12 by SheldonK Reply

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