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Sharks-Cheetahs double header in Umlazi


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 25 Jan 2017 at 11:59
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Two Sharks teams will take on their Cheetahs counterparts in what is sure to be a fun evening of rugby in Umlazi next weekend.

The Sharks today confirmed the warm-up fixtures, which will see a nominal “A” and “B” team do battle at 17h00 and 18h30 respectively on Friday 3 February. Both matches take place at the King Zwelithini Stadium in Umlazi and entrance will be free of charge.

The Sharks are still in discussion with Supersport regarding potential TV coverage of the fixtures.

 

DATE

MATCH

KICKOFF

VENUE

Friday, 3rd February

 

Cell C Sharks A vs. Cheetahs A

Cell C Sharks B vs. Cheetahs B

17h00

18h30

King Zwelithini Stadium, Umlazi

King Zwelithini Stadium, Umlazi

 

 


62 Comments

  • awesome, I hope its on tv for those of us residing in western cape

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.01.17 12:07:42 by revolverocelot Reply
     
  • Will see if i can attend

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.01.17 12:13:41 by SheldonK Reply
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  • Seriously this is our season opener.what a joke.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.01.17 12:28:49 by The hound Reply
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  • I get the motive behind having the game at Umlazi, however if the Sharks really want to be leaders in development and a large support base, then they need to have their games broadcast on free to air platforms. This however will most likely never happen due to SuperSport owning the Sharks.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.01.17 12:29:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 4) : Supersport pay huge amounts of money for the rights to broadcast Super rugby,Currie Cup and all the other sport they broadcast, why in the world would they want to encourage free to air platforms.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.01.17 12:37:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 4) : It certainly would be nice for SuperSport to be sporting enough to at least allow the games they are not interested in covering to be broadcast on free to air platforms… But I imagine trying to get the cameras etc to do this would be way expensive thus making it out of the question

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.01.17 12:39:08 by Warren Harvey Reply

     
  • @The hound (Comment 5) : Exactly my point. Conflicting interest. Sharks want growth in development and support base. SS wants $$$$ from broadcasting those games to the rich.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.01.17 12:43:41 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 6) : I hear you but, I am sure they would be able to broadcast a low budget setup to the masses. Most likely filled with allot of adverts, when tries are scored, to make up some money.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.01.17 12:45:22 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 7) : Super Sport is a business, the national broadcaster isn’t, maybe you are pointing a finger at the wrong people.The SABC should be doing the job you are talking about.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.01.17 12:51:46 by The hound Reply
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  • Anyone like to propose two different lineups?
    Id go with… 1. Beast. 2. Chilliboy 3. Adriaanse 4. Oosthuizen 5. Lewies 6. DuPreez 7. Vermuelen 8. Van Der Walt 9. Reinach 10.Lambie 11. Mvovo 12 Esterhuizen 13. Am 14. Nkosi 15. Bosch
    and
    1. Coenie 2. Marais 3. Meyer 4. Botha 5. Andrews 6. Daniel 7. Deysel 8. Mthembu 9. Claasens 10. Radebe 11. Sithole 12. Deysel 13. Ward 14. Ndungane 15. Poitrenaud

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.01.17 12:54:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This is only a problem if we think the national broadcaster even want to show rugby. Somehow I doubt that they would be interested even if they get the broadcasting rights for free!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.01.17 13:47:25 by JD Reply
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  • Cheetahs squad to play the Stormers in Harare on Saturday:

    Forwards: Luan de Bruin, Aranos Coetzee, Erich de Jager, Danie Mienie, Charles Marais, Torsten van Jaarsveld, Jaques du Toit, Elandre Huggett, Justin Basson, Reniel Hugo, Dennis Visser, Francois Uys, Oupa Mohoje, Junior Pokomela, Boom Prinsloo, Steven Meiring, Henco Venter, Jasper Wiese.

    Backs: Tian Meyer, JP Smith, Zee Mkhabela, Fred Zeilinga, Clinton Swart, Michael van der Spuy, Nico Lee, Ali Mgijima, Lihleli Xoli, Rayno Benjamin, Raymond Rhule, Clayton Blommetjies, Ryno Eksteen.

    Seems the same squad will play the Sharks :”They will stay on in Zimbabwe to continue their preparation for their second warm-up fixture against the Sharks in Durban on February 3.”

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.01.17 16:20:09 by Baylion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : Early days, will like to see how Franco uses his options. I see the u/21 hooker that is in the squad is a big fellow. Reinach Venter 177 cm/118 kg. Last time I saw such a behemoth at hooker was Tom Lawton.
    Franco has some scary options in the back line. Accurate goal kickers all round, and he can opt to use the promising Clinton Swart as a FH or 12. Ditto for Neil Marais.
    Or play Fred at 10 and either of Marais or Swart as 12. Then have Nico Lee, Small-Smith at 13, till Venter returns.

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.01.17 07:56:52 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 13) : Looking at that there are solid players particularly in the pack…whether they can step it up beyond being good CC players will have to see. Is Ox Nche injured? Having Boom Prinsloo fit for the whole season would be a big plus. Interested to see how he uses Swart and Marais in the backs.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.01.17 08:10:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : Not as far as I know. Think he is just giving him a rest, he played a lot in the CC. Danie Mienie needs game time, and the new guys Erich de Jager a run. Will be interesting to see if Dennis Visser will make an impact, or will Reniel Hugo and Uys be the locks, with Wegner also an option.

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.01.17 08:59:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 15) : Ah ok glad to hear he isnt injured. Ox struggled a bit in the super rugby games last year but hopefully he will take some confidence from his CC performances. It probably wont happen but id still play Reniel Hugo and Oupa Mahoje at lock as think that would be the most dynamic pairing with Cassiem, Prinsloo and that CC 8th man (name escapes me) as loose trio

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.01.17 09:17:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Neill Jordaan. I can’t see Francois Uys’ experience not utilized. He is the grunt in the pack. Ox is still young, keep his development going without overplaying him.
    I would start with this team, barring injury.
    Charl Marais, Torsten, Luan de Bruin
    Uys, Reniel Hugo/Wegner
    Boom, Cassiem, Jordaan
    Tiaan Meyer, Clinton Swart
    Rhule, Lee, Small-Smith, Benjamin, Blommetjies
    Mienie, du Toit, Tom Botha, Basson, Schoeman, Shaun Venter, Neil Marais, Fred Zeilinga

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.01.17 09:31:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : Id differ slightly in that i feel the value of the bench is very often under utilised. So guys like Uys, Schoeman, Venter, Swart etc could all make a significant difference playing off the bench.

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.01.17 09:41:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : no room for Oupa in your 23?

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.01.17 09:43:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : It’s a tough scenario for a coach lol. On form, how do you leave Cassiem out? Paul Schoeman is well able to cover all backrow positions.
    The Cheetahs have all of a sudden got so much depth, that it’s very difficult to choose!
    Amongst the centers and flyhalves he can almost play any situation.
    He has Clinton Swart, who like Marais is a reliable goalkicker, usually playing center for Griquas, but equally adept at flyhalf.
    So he has three talented FH, in Marais, Zeilinga, and Swart, with a rookie in Eksteen.
    Then amongst the centers he has the likes of Nico Lee, William Small-Smith, vd Spuy, and Francois Venter. A very comforting situation. He can also use Benjamin, Marais, and Swart as centers.
    At lock with Francois Uys back, he has to choose between the promising CC pairing of Basson and Hugo, or back to the fiery Uys and any of Wegner, Hugo, Visser and Basson.

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.01.17 11:54:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : Only area of possible fragilty is amongst the back three, should injuries occur.

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.01.17 11:56:54 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : I hear you regarding the bench. Surely though you would want a hard man like Uys to start, and then bring on someone like Mohoje maybe in the last quarter.
    I do think that Neil Marais and Swart will likely often be used as impact players, for their versatility.

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.01.17 11:59:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 20) : It’s great to have so many utility players to cover for other positions especially with the competition being so long there will most definitely be some injuries. You guys do seem to have more depth in your squad than previous years. Who’s backup for Blommetjies though? Can one of the above mentioned cover there as well?

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.01.17 12:04:53 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 23) : That was my concern too! I imagine they are probably looking at Swart or Zeilinga to provide cover at FB. Think Benjamin could likely make an interesting option. He isn’t exactly a tactical kicker though.

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.01.17 12:07:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 22) : Yeh thats fair enough.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.01.17 12:11:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 24) : Yeah I was thinking that Swart would be better suited than the others as he’s a good kicker and has more bulk thank Zeilinga does, that will help with the defense. Those NZ team wingers/centers take some stopping power. How’s your front row look? I like the way Torsten plays, he brings a lot of energy to the park for a front rower.

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.01.17 12:13:15 by Quintin Reply

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  • The big question mark facing the Cheetahs and prob all SA teams is…Can they defend against a good attack or will the flood gates open

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.01.17 12:17:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 26) : Front row depth better than previously. Some props are short which helps against the taller props.
    LH: Danie Mienie, Ox Nche, Charles Marais
    Hkr: Torsten, Jacques du Toit, Huggett, Dweba and Reinach Venter
    TH: Tom Botha, Luan de Bruin, Aranos Coetzee, and Gunther JvVuuren

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.01.17 14:43:00 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : I’m wondering the same thing, how will our defense look now that Omar has been gone for some time? You absolutely have to be solid on defense to get anywhere in the SR competition.

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.01.17 16:18:06 by Quintin Reply

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  • Free State Cheetahs to play the Stormers

    15 Ryno Eksteen, 14 Rayno Benjamin, 13 Nico Lee, 12 Michael van der Spuy, 11 Lihleli Xoli, 10 Fred Zeilinga, 9 JP Smith, 8 Henco Venter, 7 Junior Pokomela, 6 Boom Prinsloo, 5 Reniel Hugo (captain), 4 Justin Basson, 3 Luan de Bruin, 2 Elandré Huggett, 1 Danie Mienie.

    Substitutes: 16 Torsten van Jaarsveld, 17 Charles Marais, 18 Erich de Jager, 19 Dennis Visser, 20 Francois Uys, 21 Jasper Wiese, 22 Oupa Mohoje, 23 Steven Meiring, 24 Tian Meyer, 25 Clinton Swart, 26 Ali Mgijima, 27 Clayton Blommetjies, 28 Raymond Rhule, 29 Jacques du Toit, 30 Aranos Coetzee, 31. Zee Mkhabela

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.01.17 17:15:29 by Baylion Reply

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  • It seems like the Stormers – or at least the press – is surprised that Johann du Toit is injured and will not be available until the end of April. We all knew this, didn’t we?

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.01.17 17:53:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 31) : we did, yes.

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.01.17 18:27:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 31) : @robdylan (Comment 32) : Seems he arrive broken at the Stormers/WP

    “He is believed to have arrived in the Cape from the Sharks with the injury.”

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.01.17 18:39:26 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 33) : Yup…that’s why we all knew about it. Did the Stormers not know this? Or is it just the press who weren’t informed? With de Witt also now injured the Stormers have taken a bit of a hit at loose forward…

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.01.17 18:42:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 34) : Well, Gert Smal was talking him up after the signing was announced: “Johan du Toit is a powerful player with a good rugby brain who can cover more than one position in the back row.”

    So, who knows. Poor stuff if they didn’t do their due diligence

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.01.17 18:45:29 by Baylion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 31) : Well, “injured” appears to be the default setting for the Du Toits, so cannot see how this can be a surprise to them…

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.01.17 18:45:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 36) : :mrgreen: That’s right…

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.01.17 19:09:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 26) : So they are testing Eksteen at 15 .

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.01.17 20:29:15 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Smal new he was injured – of course he did. They just didn’t see fit to tell anyone (i.e. media or fans) that he was injured.

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.01.17 22:36:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 33) : @pastorshark (Comment 34) : @Culling Song (Comment 36) : @robdylan (Comment 39) :ja well yes let’s not go there and the associated rehab costs!!!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.01.17 22:49:08 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : That’s what I thought…

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.01.17 00:09:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Man this really pisses me off. Such a waste. Why can’t rugby do like horse racing and rent an injured player out for stud. Thats if he has the pedigree, else at least there’s the glue factory.
    Fans really deserve better than teams wasting money on injured players. Let alone paying for expensive rehab.

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.01.17 04:29:56 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 42) : Wow so there won’t be aby rugby players at all just studs?

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.01.17 06:16:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 30) : That team picked is going to run the ball at every chance, no doubt about it. Could be a bit soft upfront but certainly has the ability to get around the park.

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.01.17 08:06:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : These are practice matches, I know, but I’m interested to see whether the Cheetahs can maintain the defensive structures they had during the Currie Cup. That is what is going to make or break their season

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.01.17 08:55:56 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 45) : Yeh look it takes a brave man to read a lot into pre season games. Having said that you are right about defensive structures of the Cheetahs but think that extends to all the SA sides, you have to defend well to do well in Super rugby. I just feel we sometimes get a bit excited about a teams strong defensive showing but that is based solely on games against other SA teams whose attacks we know arent exactly top notch.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.01.17 09:22:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : You defending the devil here. It’s not the SABC’s job to be investing in rugby and development. SARU needs to be doing it. My point is their business model is not working due to greed attached to selling rugby, without investing in the future by limiting their viewers.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.01.17 10:40:14 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 47) : You are deluded,SABC is the national broadcaster, who make their money out of license fees, theirs is the social responsibility, to build and develop an audience for rugby amongst the non rugby viewing public.
    Multi choice is a business that makes its money of selling the game to the converted subscriber, the bigger the game the higher the stakes.
    Rugby was only able to go professional because at the time of the 95 world cup Kerry Packer was prepared to sponsor a tournament in which the players would be paid for the first time.He sowed the seeds.
    He was broad sided by a consortium of broadcasters Aus,New Zealand and MNET in South Africa,who got the captains on side at the World Cup in JHB.
    in order to pay the players the broadcaster relies on advertisers.
    These broadcaster have absolutely no social obligation unlike the National broadcaster funded by you who does.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.01.17 11:00:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : You missing the pot here. SARU is selling the broadcasting rights to SS at huge amounts of money. SARU is to blame for wanting to fill their pockets. The SABC can only broadcasts what they can, how can you now put the blame on the SABC. The point you are making is that SARU is actually also a national governing body, so in turn they should not be selling the game to private paying models! It should be illegal for them to do this, and SABC should have first rights on all the games and then SS secondary.

    That said SS commentating and presenters are of such low quality these days, I think TOPSPORT would do a better job than those pelucas at SS.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.01.17 11:29:33 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : How can the SABC, or any other broadcaster, broadcast anything that they dont have a licence to do. They cant, its not possible. The argument is moot because it is Supersport / Multichoice that hold the rights to broadcast rugby in this country ie they are the only ones in a position to take the game to the broader public, be that on their own or in partnership.

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.01.17 11:36:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 50) : You miss the point totally, we were talking about grassroots rugby ,and whose responsibility it was to develop an audience for the game.Not things like Super rugby or the rugby championship which are products of the pay to view broadcasters.
    They don’t own the rights to rugby in this country but they own The rights to broad cast their own competitions. The SABC used to also broadcast test rugby and Currie Cup don’t know when they stopped.
    MNET pays huge loot to broadcast European rugby, why should they then give it up free to the free to air broadcaster to hand on to broader public.What is in it for them, apart from sabotaging their own business.

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.01.17 12:45:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : Is the SABC even allowed to broadcast any rugby at all, as I understand it SS has the right to broadcast all rugby. And yes SS pays shedloads of money to get all the rights to broadcast rugby from all around the world and the quandary, now is, if you are talking development (via viewership) and only 1 entity has the right to supply the product to the viewer then by default they are the only ones that can then do the development via broadcasting even though they are in it for totally different reasons.

    Yossarian, Milo Mindbender, Major Major et al would have a lot of fun making it workable.

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.01.17 13:44:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • SS doesn’t only broadcast local rugby it produces it as well,cameras o.b etc, very expensive process then it uploads it and broadcasts it.
    MNET is able to pay for the broadcast process by charging advertisers a premium on the program audience.If you were to opedn it up to the broader audience for free everybody would watch the free channel, and MNET would out of business.
    Asa business model,MNET exist to soley focus on angle, to increase the number of paying viewers.

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.01.17 14:06:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 53) : Yep fair enough, but as long as they are the only ones allowed / able to broadcast rugby then its unfair to say that the opposition channels have a duty to drive development.

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.01.17 15:16:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 49) : @The hound (Comment 53) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : If I remember correctly a couple of years ago PSL wanted to sell exclusive broadcasting rights to SS. After a huge outcry Soccer bosses were forced to go back and renegotiate a deal to allow SABC rights to broadcast some matches.
    SARU is selling broadcasting rights and when they decided to sell the rights to only SS we as viewing public should have complained just like the soccer supporters did. That said the unions also share in the blame as they also should not have allowed it to happen.

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.01.17 16:47:52 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 55) : PSL is a local tournament, that relies on home gates to survive.Most of their games are sold out no matter where they are played.
    Super Rugby and what is now the Rugby Championship are International tournaments conceived and owned by pay for view channels in the three countries.
    Saru and Sanzaar.administer the tournaments and collect the gate, but the bulk of the money is made from pay to view supporters a long way from the stadium.
    It is fair to note that the home gates administered largely by the unions are dwindling ,but the television viewership administered by the broadcasters is on the rise.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.01.17 17:49:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : fair points.
    Thunk it’s hard to get people in the stadiums as it’s getting more expensive to go out. Just looking at Rand and cents it’s probably cheaper to be on Premiere package than just to attend one game (with a family of 4).

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.01.17 19:32:29 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : I think you are going to have to check up on your facts re: the PSL, their attendance figures and where they get their money from…but your points re: rugby are well made…

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.01.17 22:55:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : Its true that gate takings at the stadiums are on the decline but so is tv viewership.Rugby is in decline, growing the game is not going to be easy

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/super-rugby-tv-fan-viewership-plummets-20160704

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.01.17 10:45:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 59) : that’s very true! Just glad I’m not in charge of trying to get the crowds into the stadiums!

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.01.17 11:26:58 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 59) : And yet 7’s draws bigger and bigger crowds every tournament in non rugby strongholds like Hong Kong and Las Vegas

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.01.17 13:58:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 61) : not sure if you watched today but what I saw was very poor with stadium almost empty even with home team playing! Also 7’s is like T20 cricket all action so it’s easier to sell than test cricket.

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