Heartbreak as Lions sneak victory

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 1 Apr 2017 at 19:24
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The Sharks were left to rue some first-half indiscipline as they ultimately succumbed to a late Lions try to lose at Ellis Park by 29 points to 34.

Starting brightly, holding the ball and hitting the Lions hard at the point of contact, it was Tera Mtembu’s team who enjoyed the best of the opening spell, running up a handy 10-0 thanks to a penalty by Curwin Bosch and a great try to Coenie Oosthuizen. Penalties were traded, but Bosch kept the Sharks’ noses ahead and matters appeared to have moved strongly in their favour when Andre Esterhuizen went over in the corner for the team’s second score. TMO Johan Greeff, though, has spotted an indiscretion, with Etienne Oosthuizen guilty of making contact with the neck of a Lions player in the buildup. The Lions escaped that time and moved downfield, gaining in confidence after their lucky let off. It was Greeff again who found another Oosthuizen high shot a few minutes alter – surprisingly, no other player was singled out for this level of attention from the TMO despite plenty of opportunity.

The Sharks lock duly saw yellow and the Lions finished the half stronger, having cut back the Sharks’ lead to just 16-13 when Malcom Marx scored a late try.

Oosthuizen’s sin-bin proved costly indeed, with the Lions taking full advantage of their extra man to send Courtnall Skosaan over early in the second period. A wobbly drop goal from Andries Coetzee saw the Lions take a seven points lead (23-16), but that was duly cancelled out after debutant Inny Radebe handled the ball several times in a wonderful multi-phase move that saw van Wyk score his fifth of the season. An intense and brutal game of chess followed, with Bosch and Jantjies trading penalty and drop goal attempts. The Sharks thought they’d won it when the 20-year-old man of the match put over a 65 metre penalty to take a 29-26 lead, but that joy was to be short lives as Jantjies found three for his own side from the next kick off.

Evenly poised until the end, it took a late, heartbreaking try by that man Jaco Kriel against a tiring Sharks defence to seal the deal for a Lions team that were certainly not better than their visitors on the night and had to rely on a fair bit of luck – including some rather one-sided refereeing – to maintain their unbeaten record.

See you in Durban, Lions. See you in Durban.

Lions (34): Tries Marx, Skosaan, Kriel. Conversions Jantjies (2). Penalties Jantjies (4). Drop goal A Coetzee.
Sharks (29): Tries C Oosthuizen, van Wyk, Conversions Bosch (2). Penalties Bosch (4). Drop goal Bosch.


  • I sure would love an official measurement of that kick, it sure looked closer to 7m in from the halfway line – on the angle that had to be close to a 70m kick.

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.04.17 19:32:53 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • All I’m going to say is in order for a neckroll to be penalised there has to be a rolling action. If theres none how is it a penalty? The law requires you to bind. If a player is over the ball you bind on his shoulder. If he stands up his head will be in a “headlock”. In Oosthuizens case the back of his hand was against his opponents chest. He bound to the maul he did everything as required and yet he was still penalised.

    Later a lock was penalised for touching a shoulder

    If this is how “soft” rugby is getting then then I have concerns about where rugby is going.

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.04.17 19:34:54 by byron Reply
  • 63.5m …..

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.04.17 19:38:29 by byron Reply
  • Gotta feel for Oosthuizen, clearly the binoculars were on him today. Rugby is an unforgiving game and at the end of the day his indiscretions contributed to a 20 point swing. πŸ™„

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.04.17 19:39:50 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • I thought it was 2 m inside 10m

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.04.17 19:40:04 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 3) : 63.5?!

    Which hokey ruler was used to come up with that measurement.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.04.17 19:43:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • We got killed by the ref. Scrum dominance penalised and the high tackle bullshit.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.04.17 19:43:49 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 2) : agree completely about how soft rugby is getting, it’s an absolute joke. I live in Australia and rugby league is a lot more popular than rugby union over here. I don’t like league but it isn’t nearly as soft as rugby, they don’t have rediculous penalties for nothing. Rugby fans are attracted to the game because of its physicality..

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.04.17 19:46:15 by RuckingFun Reply

  • Good performance by the sharks, changes I would make would be to replace oosthuizen, terror, and reinach

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.04.17 19:48:15 by RuckingFun Reply

  • We was robbed. Everyone knows it.

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.04.17 19:50:29 by SeanJeff Reply
  • See there is a petition to remove Zuma, can we start one for cobus reinach?? He hasn’t been close to his 2015 form and at the moment looks shaky under pressure

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.04.17 19:50:59 by jdolivier Reply

  • @RuckingFun (Comment 9) : Oosthuizen is THE rolling maul defence, as well as breakdown mennace, just need to fix his his technique to avoid the neck at all times

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.04.17 19:52:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • I’m so proud of this team.

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.04.17 19:54:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Yeah look…inconsistency in refereeing is just a killer! Very frustrating. The TMO called us back several times for high tackles or grabbing around the neck…but not once the Lions, despite several,of them including one in their try. Consistency is all we ask…

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.04.17 19:55:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 13) : Yup…we’re back! That was a good performance. I hope we keep it up and keep improving!

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.04.17 19:56:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 6) : x2 + y2 = r2 … standard 6 mathermatics

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.04.17 20:05:16 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 16) : Think you might’ve over simplified that equation

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.04.17 20:11:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 17) : how else do you describe the linear distance between two points?

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.04.17 20:21:33 by byron Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 17) : Nope – just good old Pythagoras

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.04.17 20:33:39 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @byron (Comment 18) : he’s right. Pythagoras has the answer.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.04.17 20:34:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Look, let it make it perfectly clear, from the start, I am accepting the Lions win. : πŸ˜€ Okay?


    The Sharks were hard done with some of the decisions. And Curwin Bosch IS the real deal at 10.

    Tough luck Sharks but a great game

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.04.17 20:44:38 by Baylion Reply

  • @pastorshark (Comment 14) : Greeff should have overruled the ref when he judged a swinging arm to the neck to be contact to the shoulder

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.04.17 20:45:08 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @byron (Comment 16) : Yup, I called it 64m…

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.04.17 20:46:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This was one hell of a good performance by the Sharks! If RdP snr can keep this group intact they could be a major contender!!! As for seeing them in Durbs I just hope we never see or hear from the idiot tmo Johan Greeff again. He was for sure the Lions best player and should be the man of the match!!!

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.04.17 20:48:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 21) : Pretty much spot on on all fronts…

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.04.17 20:48:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 25) : All things being equal, we had 3 try scoring opportunities missed through not passing or knock-ons. So in spite of the tmo we made chances to win and got damn close. This gives me hope for the rest of the season. Go SHARKS

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.04.17 20:58:36 by jdolivier Reply

  • For me the real heartbreak is this shit Super rugby system!!!! Brumbies is the best Ozzie team on a impressive 11 log points! Going on log points they should be 10th now with this wonderful system they’re 4th and will get a home semifinal (if they stay on top)!!! Btw the rest of the Ozzie teams are also really on fire with 8, 6, 5 and 1 point!

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.04.17 21:01:43 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 21) : thanx and congrats with your teams victory. It was a very hard and good game spoiled a bit by an idiot watching tv!!! Bosch is a super special talent just hope AC gives him a bit more time before selecting him to play All Blacks!

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.04.17 21:05:32 by JD Reply
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  • Well played guys. Poor refereeing and ill discipline cost us the win. But the lions know how lucky they were! Every sharks player put in commendable performances. I feel that some of the substitution was wrong. Terra did not offer much in the second half and should have been subbed instead of Dan Dup. CR should also have stayed on longer and Franco looked like he was taking strain late in the second half. But this was a very good performance by the team in spite of the Jaco X2 and tmo.

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.04.17 21:28:03 by sudhir Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 19) : He might be right, but how did he measure x and y?

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.04.17 21:29:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Great job by the TMO. Must have been given directive to keep an eye on the dirtiest teams/players. 😈 πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.04.17 21:37:42 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 31) : He clearly ignored the lions, you’re statement is mute

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.04.17 21:49:57 by jdolivier Reply

  • Nevermind, I somehow got it in my mind that the halfway line is 60m….And not 50m. So 60m + is pretty darn special, any way you slice it.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.04.17 21:51:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 32) : you mean moot? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.04.17 21:51:35 by McLovin Reply

  • I know you guys are hurting and I accept that some decisions went against you unfairly, maybe. That happens, we Lions have also felt it in other games. But … However, I still believe the Lions deserved the win


    Sometimes it’s about the ability to absorb pressure. The Lions did that tonight, the same way the Chiefs did it this morning. Outplayed at the breakdowns, outplayed for possession and territory during the first half, they absorbed pressure until they finally got a small window of opportunity.

    And that is what it’s all about in these tight games.

    The Lions didn’t play well tonight, mainly because they weren’t allowed to, but they handled the pressure and that’s why I am proud of them. And would have been even if they had lost

    This was a cracker of a game, one where one is sorry that one team had lost

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.04.17 21:51:53 by Baylion Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 31) : Holy smokes fellar, where’ve you been?

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.04.17 21:52:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • PS: I come in peace. A kakprater of note. 99.9% of my posts you should take with a shovel of salt. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.04.17 21:53:01 by McLovin Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 36) : Lang storie.

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.04.17 21:53:57 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : The floor is yours πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.04.17 21:55:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : Autocorrect is the bane of my existence

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.04.17 21:55:55 by jdolivier Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 39) : Going to have to ‘plead the 5th’. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.04.17 21:57:49 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 41) : As long as prison didn’t turn you into a bulls supporter 😯 πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.04.17 21:59:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 40) : No worries. Pointing out spelling/grammar errors in an online chat is pretty lowbrow anyway. I should know better. Or not. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.04.17 22:00:05 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 41) : …Or have you been hiding from the via for your part in releasing vault7….Say no more Assange

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.04.17 22:01:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 44) : *cia

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.04.17 22:02:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 42) : Now amount of torture will turn me into a Bulls supporter. 😈

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.04.17 22:02:52 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 46) : Seems supporting them would be the torture in itself these days

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.04.17 22:03:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 44) : Madonna claims she ‘loves’ him. πŸ™„ B**ch will have to take a number, I got there before her. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.04.17 22:04:05 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 48) : Madonna loving Julian Assange, but hating Trump – split personality disorder right there….All these hollyweird types are severely touched πŸ™‚

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.04.17 22:06:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : It’s Pamela Anderson not Madonna. Sorry Madge if you’re reading.

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.04.17 22:09:22 by McLovin Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 35) : In the last 8 home games, which calls went against you???? Sharks missed a few opportunities to secure the match, however, how can you state the lions did better, 14 point swing based on the tmo needing attention. That puts the match without a doubt in the favor of the sharks. Rose coloured lenses tend to skew the image

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.04.17 22:15:08 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 51) : Look, this is a Sharks fan site and I tried to put as an unbiased spin on my comment as I could, as a Lions fan – you don’t diss a guy in his own house.

    Please accept it as that

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.04.17 22:26:00 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 52) : Lions deserved to win. Fair and square.

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.04.17 22:31:11 by McLovin Reply

  • Officials will always miss a few calls. Best way to avoid it is to not transgress. Simples.

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.04.17 22:32:11 by McLovin Reply

  • Last week in some match someone took a knee to the head. No tmo, no citing, nothing. πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.04.17 22:33:16 by McLovin Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 52) : History of the tournament will reflect that the lions won, no space for commentary on the scoreboard. You could have gone completely stormers supporter on the comments, you didn’t, appreciated.

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.04.17 22:41:02 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 11) : I woulkd prefer 1 for the 2 blue bull refs, the ref of the day and the tmo who last year was the chairman of the bull reffing association from what i was told last year.

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.04.17 22:41:23 by Dunx Reply

  • @Dunx (Comment 57) : Van heerden was really not bad, felt he gave a solid performance he made mistakes, both ways. Greeff on the other hand needs a double step flying Bitch slap to wake up and smell his own bias

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.04.17 22:43:42 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 56) : Ja those Stormers supporters are the worst. πŸ˜‰ Probably sucking on a papsak whilst posting. 😈

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.04.17 22:46:47 by McLovin Reply

  • For the sake of full disclosure and just in case someone suffers a sense of humour failure, I am a Stormers fan. Why wouldn’t you be?

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.04.17 22:48:59 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 60) : Because iPhone, man utd, the stormers and cape town are not all there is in the universe πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.04.17 22:50:37 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 61) : man utd? Is that a night club in Mouille Point?

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.04.17 22:54:35 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 62) : Thought it was your “guest” house in tableview

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.04.17 22:56:02 by jdolivier Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 62) : Good evening to all, enjoyed the banter.

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.04.17 22:56:38 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 61) : I agree, the universe is full of kak places. At least we have Cape Town. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.04.17 22:57:32 by McLovin Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 64) : Sleep easy old boy. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.04.17 22:58:10 by McLovin Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 56) : I think RdP made a decision to go with a heavy forward pack and it nearly paid off. The Sharks dominated the breakdowns in the first half, especially, rucking over the ball but eventually that didn’t work anymore.

    Bosch had a great game, mainly ito his goal kicking. Esterhuizen had an okay game as back-up defensive #10 kicker.

    Apart from that the Sharks backline offered very little on attack and had very little penetration. One of the reason the Sharks struggled to score tries.

    Like most teams there are still things to work on, especially on attack as they were still outscored 3 tries to 2

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.04.17 22:58:27 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 35) : not to sound bitter but its very easy to absorb pressure with what effectively was a 21 point turnaround with oosthuisens yellow.

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.04.17 23:01:00 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 68) : Good grief, 21 points now? 😯 By tomorrow it will be 35. And the Lions only scored 34. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.04.17 23:02:43 by McLovin Reply

  • Not the 1st time van Heerden and his fellow bulls squad killed the Sharks. When the Lions loose against NZ teams in semi then we want to be up in arms. The wheel turns. I know there are lots of calls missed. But if this is the level rugby has dived down to.. Aka soccer dive… Then whats the point of making contact. Put the rips on the pants and call it what you want. This is beyond what any sports minister can achieve with our sport

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.04.17 23:02:54 by ebenp Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 67) : Lions backline was below par. Jantjies was nowhere and faf is playing himself out of SR league. Think Sharks outplayed the Lions

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.04.17 23:10:19 by ebenp Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 58) : geez boet … he might not have been biased but he got alot wrong! Hes still clueless at scrumtime and there were 2 or 3 ruck penalties that just made no sense! As for the greef there were 4 players with arms around necks dueing marxs try and the tmo missed them all yet he pucked out oosthuizen on the fly and then managed after 5 minutes to find a clip to substantiate something. He clearly wasnt looking at the spear tackle on
    Mvovo either.

  • Comment 72, posted at 01.04.17 23:10:35 by byron Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 69) : 7 points for the try turnaround and lions scored 14 during yellow

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.04.17 23:11:57 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 68) : Look, I know how you feel. Against the Jaguares Andries Ferreira wa yellow carded for two nect “tackles” and 50+ minutes later Robbie Coetzee was carded because of then previous cards.

    A few years ago props were pinged it they put their hands on the ground at any time after the scrum process started, nowadays that is hardly looked.

    Unfortunately the above shoulder tackles is what the refs have been instructed to target this year. Next year it will be something else.

  • Comment 74, posted at 01.04.17 23:13:07 by Baylion Reply

  • @byron (Comment 73) : @McLovin (Comment 69) : simple maths … ill teach you Pythagoras later :p

  • Comment 75, posted at 01.04.17 23:13:12 by byron Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 69) : Simple maths. 7 for disallowing try. 14 for 2 tries while we had 14 men vs 17…

    But… I will give lions 1 try as I think they good team. But those refs wont be there when you play nz teams. So lions win which means they learn less out of the game. Pitty rugby has become like this, but hey.. We cannot even moer each other. The players cannot even touch each other. So whats the point..

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.04.17 23:14:35 by ebenp Reply

  • @byron (Comment 73) : As soon as the winning team bitches about the ref/ar’s as much as the losing team, then I’ll pay attention. If you lose, get penalised, carded etc there’s usually a very good reason. Whatever the ref might have missed, the calls he made were correct. Oosthuizen grabbed a player around the neck. Twice in just a few minutes. Irrespective of who else might have done the same or something else, he did what he did. Got pinged today. Next week he might get away with it 5 times over.

  • Comment 77, posted at 01.04.17 23:17:27 by McLovin Reply

  • I am not going to apologise for the Lions win.

    In a close game there will always be arguments about individual decisions but the players play what is in front of them and we supporters have no influence.

    In a close game like this it could have gone either way

  • Comment 78, posted at 01.04.17 23:25:06 by Baylion Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 77) : Look. That ref is useless. But for a tmo to sit in cubicle and make blatent one sided calls. Priceless

  • Comment 79, posted at 01.04.17 23:25:08 by ebenp Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 78) : It couldn’t. Lions were better, they won. 😈

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.04.17 23:27:19 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 80) : πŸ˜€

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.04.17 23:29:49 by Baylion Reply

  • Time to go.

    Good night, John Boy.
    Good night, Elizabeth.
    Good night, Daddy.
    Good night, Mary Ellen.
    Good night, Mama.
    Good night Jim Bob.
    Good night, Erin.
    Good night, Ben.
    Good night, everybody.

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.04.17 23:43:12 by McLovin Reply

  • Ag I was so close to getting the upset call right. But credit to the lions they did not stop playing till 80 minutes were up. Good character shown by them. By both in fact but there must always be a loser I suppose. Well get them next time.

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.04.17 23:44:22 by coolfusion Reply

  • PS: If Stormers win 2/3 out of the next 7/8 games I’ll be impressed. πŸ˜₯

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.04.17 23:44:25 by McLovin Reply

  • Why is it that whenever this fork of a ref refs us we are always the only team heavily penalized? Meaning in a tight game he are always at risk of losing the game. Remember against the Bulls last year? Sharks deserved to win.

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.04.17 23:49:24 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • I hate the head line on this piece, should read ”Anger as the Lions are allowed to steal victory.”
    If any of those officials are at K.P this weekend,I could incite the crowd to tar and feather them.
    In a game like this we should have had New Zealand officials.
    Seriously its time some one at the Sharks management does something to put an end to this.
    Its beyond a joke, Etienne Oosthuizen is being victimized out of the game.
    He is not a dirty player just very robust.
    That disallowed try was a travesty of justice, one of the most disgusting displays of partisanship in a long long time.
    Have to go back to the thief Habbana’s forward pass that stole the Super cup from us for a comparison.

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.04.17 02:07:35 by The hound Reply
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  • don’t mean to be funny but just saw an article on news24 saying curwin is a player of “colour” , is curwin actually coloured? does anyone know?

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.04.17 07:06:21 by Poisy Reply
  • @Poisy (Comment 87) : i think he is a player of colour. But more importantly he is a player of awesomeness.

  • Comment 88, posted at 02.04.17 07:12:24 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : this Greeff and van Heerden duo are the same fucktards who called Jesse Kriels 10m forward pass at loftus fair because his hands were pointing backwards or some bullshit. There is no doubt that Greeff in particular is a blatant cheat. The Sharks union can not allow this to stand. Grow some balls please someone. Anyone

  • Comment 89, posted at 02.04.17 07:15:56 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Question about the Lions maul thingy for which Ettas was carded. I don’t recall any Sharks making contact with that from the start – so technically that was obstruction?

  • Comment 90, posted at 02.04.17 07:36:35 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Baylion (Comment 74) : that would be legit if they didn’t ignore all the lions players with arms around necks,etc.

  • Comment 91, posted at 02.04.17 07:42:10 by Dunx Reply

  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 89) : that is correct

  • Comment 92, posted at 02.04.17 07:44:20 by Dunx Reply

  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 88) : Does it matter he’s a Shark and he’s ours
    [email protected]West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 89) : I think we should start presurising our union to grow a pair of balls and make a stand on this blatant victimization.
    Plan one we won’t play under these incompetent and blatantly biased officials.
    Plan two we boycott games being officiated by these morons .
    Plan three pitch invasion.
    Plan four find out where they live.

  • Comment 93, posted at 02.04.17 07:47:45 by The hound Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 87) : Yes he is, not that it matters, he is a decent young man and a brilliant talent. I loved the way he put Jantjies on his ass in the game πŸ˜†

  • Comment 94, posted at 02.04.17 08:17:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I was quite pleasantly surprised with Nick Mallett’s half-time and post-match reviews. He made a sufficiently big deal of the poor decisions going against us. That was the nicest the chaps in the Supersport studio have ever been to the Sharks.

    I don’t expect them to make excuses for us, like they do for the Stormers, just to acknowledge what we were up against. Which they did, for once…

  • Comment 95, posted at 02.04.17 08:20:48 by MerckZ Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 93) : I sat in a huge group of Lions supporters, I did not say much and listened to them apologies to me how the ref cheated us was quite funny, normally you would get that rude group that just dis anything not their team, not the case last night although a lot of booing in the stadium.

  • Comment 96, posted at 02.04.17 08:21:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 96) : Not the Lions fault,I thought Whitelys post match speech was very gracious, could tell he regarded it as a hollow victory and would have preferred it to be on a more level playing field.

  • Comment 97, posted at 02.04.17 08:29:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : A current player and I are actually good friends as he when up north comes and eats at my restaurant, was supposed to last night but team plans had changed so could not make it so he whats app’d me to apologize, in our convo i told him i do not think the best team won on the day, his reply was they feel the same.

    Look fact is we got cheated but not by the Lions team, one cannot blame them for poor calls by officials, they did what they had to do,
    The match was a great advertisement for SA rugby ( besides poor reffing)

    So congrats to the Lions and their supporters.

  • Comment 98, posted at 02.04.17 08:32:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 97) : 100%, I just saw your reply and yes not the Lions fault for poor officiating.

  • Comment 99, posted at 02.04.17 08:33:51 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • We can’t complain about the disallowed try, he did end up with the lions neck grabbed. The second one was pretty weak though. The high tackle thig was a joke, the scrums were also a joke. Van heerden did his usual thing with marginal calls going against the sharks and those pile up and frustrate the players. I mean he even gave the lions 10m for chirping. Anyone know when the citing commissioner will have his say? Quite interested in the spear tackle on lwazi.

  • Comment 100, posted at 02.04.17 08:35:50 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • This is what Nick Mallet had to say about the weekends games.

  • Comment 101, posted at 02.04.17 08:35:55 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 77) : so for the sake of debate you claim the ref got the “rules” correct. If I was to get technical and ask which rule exactly you’d probably find it difficult to identify one. The reason for this is that there is not law that prohibits contact with the neck during a ruck or maul. The only clarrification you will find relates to an actual “roll” where refs are directed to apply the general dangerous play rule and the high tackle law where the sanction has been emphasised. You cannot apply the high tackle law because this was not a tackle it was a ruck and there certainly was no intent to roll the player so the ruck was.certainly not dangerous. So where does this leave us? What do.the laws say about rucking? A player must bind with a full arm. This was done by Oosthuizen. A player may not have his head and shoulders lower than his hips? Marx shoulders were below his hips and this lead to oosthuizen binding onto his upper back. What happened next … the lions player was pushed up and back and he stood up. Where did oosthuizens arm end up. Around a players neck. Was it dangerous? Certainly not.
    As for the maul, he was competing for the ball, he was bound, he did not collapse the maul. There was very little to penalise yet the tmo found the need to intervene. During the lions maul try there were 3 sharks players who had a lions arm around a neck. Two were removed from the maul in breach of the laws yet the tmo and ref saw nothing wrong?

    I believe there is merit in feeling hard done by or to use another term “cheated”

  • Comment 102, posted at 02.04.17 08:39:03 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 102) : Very good analysis.
    I have a fear that Oosthuizen is being victimized out of the game, very soon he is going to have no option but to leave for Europe
    As I said earlier I don’t think he is a Corne Krige type dirty player, he is just very strong and robust.

  • Comment 104, posted at 02.04.17 09:04:45 by The hound Reply
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  • Crickey, all this ‘cheating’ from officials. 😯 πŸ˜†

    No doubt there will be consequences for these corrupt officials. I will await with bated breath for news of their suspensions arrests etc over the coming days. πŸ™„ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 105, posted at 02.04.17 09:13:27 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 105) : New name ,same old shit ,always amazes me how a Shark hater can be so fascinated with a Sharks fan site, crawl back under your rock you are disturbing the fynbos.

  • Comment 106, posted at 02.04.17 09:23:53 by The hound Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 103) : Baylion you still dont seem to understand the difference between a tackle and a ruck! The new directive only applies to tackles

  • Comment 107, posted at 02.04.17 09:27:36 by byron Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 106) : Mclovin has always between Mclovin. I think you’re mistaking him for another Stormer. Like he said earlier. Bucket lads of salt needed.

  • Comment 108, posted at 02.04.17 09:30:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 106) : Mclovin has always been Mclovin. Use bucket loads of salt with his comments.

  • Comment 109, posted at 02.04.17 09:32:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 105) : Welcome back!

  • Comment 110, posted at 02.04.17 09:32:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 106) : Take a deep breath boet. It’s just a bit of fun.

    Reason I like it here so much is because it’s usually a step or three above your average rugby blog where simply trading insults account for 99% of posts.

    Generally speaking, in my experience anyway, folks on here can take a joke and don’t take themselves or the rugby too seriously.

    And hats off to Rob an co for managing to keep it civilised for years now. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 111, posted at 02.04.17 09:33:39 by McLovin Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 108) : @Pokkel (Comment 109) : @Pokkel (Comment 110) : Thanks, dankie and thanks again. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 112, posted at 02.04.17 09:35:00 by McLovin Reply

  • @byron (Comment 107) : Not all infringements are specifically covered in the laws, some are covered through referee guidelines where they are instructed to focus on certain types of infringements.

    I don’t have access to the official WR guidelines but I cannot see them excluding such a basic act when they are trying to clamp down on head and neck injuries. Arguing that it isn’t a tackle and therefore is allowed doesn’t make sense.

    Holding a player round the neck or head is considered dangerous play and the catch-all clause of Law 10 (Foul Play) probably applies:

    (m) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.

  • Comment 113, posted at 02.04.17 09:40:37 by Baylion Reply

  • Crusaders are spanking the Tahs. πŸ™„

  • Comment 114, posted at 02.04.17 09:42:37 by McLovin Reply

  • The referee guidelines are pretty well defined and explained. Just go to Theyre under guidelines

  • Comment 115, posted at 02.04.17 09:48:12 by byron Reply

  • @byron (Comment 115) : From 2015:

    “High Tackles and Neck contact – Law 10.4(e)

    Every time the head or the neck is deliberately grabbed or choked, the offending player runs the risk of receiving a yellow or red card

    Cleanouts around the neck must be penalised

    Match officials should work together to ensure that foul play is strictly penalised and that player welfare is paramount.”

    This year they stepped up the penalisation of this

  • Comment 116, posted at 02.04.17 10:01:55 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 116) : yes we all agree. But punish all of it then. Not just the ones that give your corrupt ass a chance to overturn a try by a team you hate.

  • Comment 117, posted at 02.04.17 10:47:57 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 114) : I never saw it coming (I did) πŸ™„

  • Comment 118, posted at 02.04.17 10:51:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 116) : once again … as applied to high tackles

  • Comment 119, posted at 02.04.17 11:21:51 by byron Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 116) : “deliberately grabbed”

    I’ve seen plenty of accidentals being penalised, and I don’t see the rule mentioning grabbing a player by the shoulder.

    Seems to be poor interpretation from the refs – Again!.

  • Comment 120, posted at 02.04.17 11:33:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 67) : Sharks crossed the try line as many times as the Lions even though the one try was nullified due to the “around the neck” incident which did not affect the try itself in any way. All two + one tries were well constructed and involved good interplay between backs and forwards.

    The one area I do think the Sharks lag behind the Lions and Stormers is the speed at which the breakdown is cleared – due to poor presentation of the ball to the scrumhalf and then also the speed of decision making and quality of passing from the scrumhalve can be the difference between centres running at a defence that is still scrambling vs a defence that is set.

  • Comment 121, posted at 02.04.17 11:54:08 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Hopefully Oosthuizen sees this as an opportunity to learn and grow as a player. His clearing-out technique clearly needs work. 😈

  • Comment 122, posted at 02.04.17 12:44:47 by McLovin Reply

  • Lots of chat about whether the decisions to penalise Oosthuizen were correct or not. For me it,is not really about that. If the ref is going to blow that, fine. I can live with that. My issue is this: that blowing must then be consistent…and it was very clearly not. So clearly that even Mallet demonstrated it with various slow motion replays and concluded the Sharks were hard done by. The TMO should have intervened at least twice when the Lions went high, one of which should have led to a Lions try being disallowed. Instead he only intervened twice when the Sharks went high, one of which led to a Sharks try being overturned and one which led directly to 7 points to the Lions and a yellow card to the Sharks. You can argue about law this and that all you want. Most of the points are well made. But it is the above inconsistency in application which leads to teams and supporters feeling hard done by. And for that Johan Greeff should be rightly criticised…

  • Comment 123, posted at 02.04.17 13:08:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The best team lost, the referees screwed up.

    Great game to watch though, especially Curwin Bosch’s kicking. It’s like a perfect golf swing. Guy weighs like 40lbs and can kick as far as fat Frans. No time wasting or stupid rituals either. Line up the ball and kick it, watch it fly perfectly staight and balanced and high. He should be playing all his games on the highveld.

  • Comment 124, posted at 02.04.17 13:25:56 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 50) : @The hound (Comment 93) : I vote we skip straight to your fourth option …

  • Comment 125, posted at 02.04.17 13:31:57 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 123) : Well said. We all knew the rule change at the start of the season but as you put it the officials need to be more accurate in applying their interpretation.

    Now that the ref has the authority to watch the big screen and judge I feel the TMO is kind of pointless. The best example of this is Peyper carding Coenie last week. I think how decisions are made needs to be reviewed as the TMO/referee interactions are only ruining the game.

  • Comment 126, posted at 02.04.17 13:51:49 by Hulk Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 67) : Well 3 tries each

  • Comment 127, posted at 02.04.17 14:29:59 by jdolivier Reply

  • Soooooo,very very well done coaching crew this is now becoming a seriously hot Sharks team, the game plan, the skill, the attack the defence, eish, it took 17 men to beat 14,enough said, now we talking, mark my words this Shark team will never lose to the Lions again they had them weighed measured and found very wanting, only two problems Sharks need a proper 9, that try would not have happened if geriatric was not playing,also 12, he does a CSper against good teams, my view is AE should be played at 15, he will be great there, also no room for Bambie to come back,CB and GA play rugby on another level he cannot,also I agree with Hound above, the Sharks management need to step up its a team effort, its enough of this rubbish ,EO is a monster with skill he brings edge to the Sharks and when with SL the best 4,5 combo in SA and dont telk me about Elizabeth and soft cock blondie, they lost but eish this team is the real deal and by way I sat in front whete Sharkie has his neck nearly ripped off, not even a penalty, really

  • Comment 128, posted at 02.04.17 15:34:53 by benji Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 122) : Reallt based on what do you say this?

  • Comment 129, posted at 02.04.17 15:35:39 by benji Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 122) : you allege you a netball player supporter and by default according to your press have already wpn SR again but lets see this Saturday what Brodie alone does with Elizabeth and Soft cock blondie again

  • Comment 130, posted at 02.04.17 15:46:16 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 130) : I do love netball. Short skirts, beautiful athletic legs.

  • Comment 131, posted at 02.04.17 17:02:08 by McLovin Reply

  • @benji (Comment 130) : Elizabeth? Love that. πŸ˜†

    In all seriousness, I reckon Stormers are about to embark on a losing streak of epic proportions. 😐

  • Comment 132, posted at 02.04.17 17:05:30 by McLovin Reply

  • @benji (Comment 130) : That Retallick bloke is certainly something special. I’m a big fan. No jokes.

  • Comment 133, posted at 02.04.17 17:10:17 by McLovin Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 120) : Those are the 2015 guidelines, which were extended in 2017 also defining reckless and accidental high tackles. Look at the John Lacey video where they show actual footage of incidents that might not have been penalised last year or would have had a lighter penalty and explain how they would be penalised this year. Ruan Botha’s transgression is shown through a similar incident by one of the Franks brothers, which wouldn’t have been penalised last year.

    Face it, above the shoulder contact will attract harsher penalties than last year and it is a fallacy to think it must be dangerous or lead to injury, the incident must only have the risk of possibly being dangerous and the player is responsible to foresee this risk.

    WR wants to eradicate above the shoulder contact, not only in tackles but anywhere on the field

  • Comment 134, posted at 02.04.17 17:23:50 by Baylion Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 127) : You’re right. I forgot that van Wyk scored two

  • Comment 135, posted at 02.04.17 17:26:14 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 134) : Well said and well researched. 😎

  • Comment 136, posted at 02.04.17 17:36:03 by McLovin Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 135) : Coenie will have an issue with that statement. Van Wyk had a huge part in the Sharks first try, but Coenie still had to put serious effort in the finish

  • Comment 137, posted at 02.04.17 17:44:23 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 137) : I am getting confused now, Haven’t had my Sunday nap πŸ™‚ When jdolivier said 3 tries each I thought “didn’t van Wyk score twice?”, forgetting about the break that lead to Coenie’s try.

    Okay, so I was correct initially with 3 tries to 2. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 138, posted at 02.04.17 17:56:55 by Baylion Reply

  • Clermont about to put Toulon out of the ERC Cup.

  • Comment 139, posted at 02.04.17 18:00:08 by McLovin Reply

  • Great game last night, my biggest concern at the moment is Terra.. Seems like he is only picked because he is the captain. Certainly putting lots of pressure on the rest of the pack like playing with 7 guys. Who else is there, he was once again a passenger last night.

  • Comment 140, posted at 02.04.17 18:14:26 by morne1 Reply

  • @byron (Comment 119) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 120) :
    In the 2017 guidelines WR specifically mentions “made .. contact during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game” in both the reckless tackle and accidental tackle description. It is also clear that, in this regard, WR has extended the “tackle” to any neck or head contact in all areas of the game

    Also the videos that come with the 2015 guidelines clearly show an incident of a choke hold in a ruck (Messam on Renaldo Bothma). As I said, it doesn’t make sense for WR to only include tackles and ignore choke holds and head locks, and they don’t.

    @pastorshark (Comment 123) : I agree, there must be consistency, not only during games but across different games from different refs.

    I haven’t re-watched the game, and initially watched it in a pub with lots of distractions, so cannot specifically recall EO’s second incident or Tambwe’s that gets a mention. Will re-watch as soon as the full game is available on youtube.

  • Comment 141, posted at 02.04.17 18:23:14 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 138) : Was actually taking a dig at the disallowed try there bud

  • Comment 142, posted at 02.04.17 18:26:05 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 142) : Didn’t pick up on it, but figured it when bokhoring commented πŸ™‚

  • Comment 143, posted at 02.04.17 18:28:55 by Baylion Reply

  • [email protected]Baylion (Comment 141) : Your points are well made…
    And however one cuts it, that was a cracker of a game…gives me much hope for SA (and Sharks) rugby…

  • Comment 144, posted at 02.04.17 19:15:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 144) : It was, just a pity about the controversies. On some overseas sites, including The Roar, and by a number of Kiwi and Aussie rugby fans it has been rated as the game of the season so far.

  • Comment 145, posted at 02.04.17 19:35:45 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 145) : No arguments from my side on their sentiment. That was one of the best Superrugby derby games in ages

  • Comment 146, posted at 02.04.17 19:38:41 by jdolivier Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 141) : Fair enough, would be nice if these stricter guideline are officiated equally (that includes the streamers game, which had me thinking that the high tackle thing stopped being officiated as strictly as the first lot of weeks of competition).

  • Comment 147, posted at 02.04.17 19:54:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 145) : @jdolivier (Comment 146) : was for sure the best game I saw in a long time!!!

  • Comment 148, posted at 02.04.17 21:14:31 by JD Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 139) : where he HELL have you been?

  • Comment 149, posted at 02.04.17 21:36:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 145) : Good to hear…I agree…

  • Comment 150, posted at 02.04.17 22:05:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • There was so much that was good in the Sharks performance. I look forward to them continuing to build on that…

  • Comment 151, posted at 02.04.17 22:07:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Does anyone know what happened to Chilliboy?

  • Comment 152, posted at 02.04.17 22:07:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 152) : Performance enhancing drugs perhaps

  • Comment 153, posted at 02.04.17 23:13:22 by jdolivier Reply

  • @pastorshark (Comment 152) : No but wouldn’t it be wonderful to offer Akker van der Merwe full time work, he can’t be happy with 20 min rugby every three weeks.

  • Comment 154, posted at 02.04.17 23:54:01 by The hound Reply
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  • FYI πŸ˜€ :

    Nine yellow cards were issued during a senior club rugby match in North Otago on Saturday, but both coaches insist it was not a dirty game.

    New laws around high tackles were an issue in the number of players stood down by referee Blair Malcolm during the game.

    At one stage, Valley had 12 players on the field and Excelsior had 13.

    Four Valley players were yellow-carded and five from Excelsior.

  • Comment 155, posted at 03.04.17 00:58:18 by Baylion Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 105) : I got the sarcasm. Nice one. I too would like to know when there will be official bodies that review and discipline poor officiating.

  • Comment 156, posted at 03.04.17 06:07:43 by coolfusion Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 149) : ‘Sup Robbie. Been around. All good. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 157, posted at 03.04.17 07:02:01 by McLovin Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 156) : Pretty sure there are. Refs are closely watched. Perhaps it’s not as bad as some fans would like us to believe.

    Sometimes hard to take, but reffing is an inexact science. But the okes are doing their best. They have no incentive to cock things up or be biased. Shocking, I know. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 158, posted at 03.04.17 07:05:36 by McLovin Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 154) : It would be wonderful…
    I was quite impressed with our young replacement when he came on…what’s his name? He wasn’t on that long but looked strong in the scrums and useful in general play…

  • Comment 159, posted at 03.04.17 07:20:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Guys don’t get me wrong i am not blasting the Lions I feel they played well to stay there and win (with help from the ref).
    Unfortunately it is frequently that we get certain refs that are know be lean towards the opposition when they ref for the sharks, we get the raw end of the stick and there is nothing that we can do to get rid of the guy.
    @McLovin (Comment 158) : It isn’t an exact science I agree but when his one call when we touch the shoulder is called high but when their winger has his arm around our player neck being called just a shoulder. seriously?
    Our biggest issue i think is mr TMO who gives the sharks a finger all the time. He nailed us in the beginning just to ignore the Lions indiscretions. Seriously that is what i hate.
    If they are bad i can handle that just be bad both ways. Refs have a directive to stamp our high hits I do understand but stop it both ways.

  • Comment 160, posted at 03.04.17 07:39:08 by Dunx Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 155) : At least they were consistent.
    @pastorshark (Comment 151) : It was a fantastic showing by the guys, i was worried we may not pitch up but bot did they play well. I am impressed by our 3 locks. Botha Ooshuizen and Lewis are definitely pushing hard for Bok colours. Oosthuizen does remind me allot of Bakkies in his style and agression.

  • Comment 161, posted at 03.04.17 07:48:41 by Dunx Reply

  • @Dunx (Comment 160) : ”we get the raw end of the stick and there is nothing that we can do to get rid of the guy.”
    Are we all sure about this, we knew before the game what he was going to do and he didn’t disappoint us.
    As I have said here ad nausea and people are probably getting tired of it, we need to refuse to allow this guy to officiate our games.
    Who at the Sharks is our representative on the allocation of officials to our games and what the fuck is he doing to earn his salary.
    Can someone tell us who he is.

  • Comment 162, posted at 03.04.17 08:14:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 134) : I get that the ref blew against the sharks were acceptable in the current law structures and ref guidelines

    I just wonder where is the consistency of these calls

    or the around the neck clear out of a sharks player to open the path for Jaco Kriels try (Sorry I don’t have a link for that)

    They we not even noted as off-field yellow cards after the game. I get the ref/touch judges may miss one maybe even two of the offences by the lions… All I can say is that maybe we dont preform enough when it happens (Like the Super Rugby commentators were saying about the cheetahs) its great that nothing around the neck is meant to make more passes and a better game, but if it means we run around like primadonna ballerina throwing our hands in the air to milk every penalty then I say we are going the wrong way.

  • Comment 163, posted at 03.04.17 08:51:00 by Warren Harvey Reply

  • Hi guys. Sooo, what a performance from the ref…I have no issues with the penalties he blew our boys for, as technically (except the one scrum) he was right, what does make me the moer in though is the way he blatantly ignored the Lion’s transgressions. That would still have been fine if you knew that the ref would have consequences but nothing his going to happen to those muppets.

  • Comment 164, posted at 03.04.17 09:08:34 by KingRiaan Reply

  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 163) : cheers – thanks for those. I might share those photos, with your permission?

  • Comment 165, posted at 03.04.17 09:16:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 163) : Take a look where Peyper is in the first pic, and where his eyeliner is, if he missed that one what was he looking at.
    Now look at where van Heerden is on the second one, how could he not see that

  • Comment 166, posted at 03.04.17 09:36:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 163) : Single screenshots never show the real story but especially the Tambwe incident looks like it should have been penalised.

    The ruck incident definitely needs some video footage

    I can see nothing wrong with Jaco try from the pass to Bosch until the try is scored

  • Comment 167, posted at 03.04.17 10:50:49 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 167) : Based on what you are saying in previous posts about the new directives, arm around the neck of a player (whether static or a neck roll) is cause for a penalty. So in this case I would say that a single screenshot would suffice.

  • Comment 168, posted at 03.04.17 11:10:10 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @benji (Comment 128) : also no room for Bambie to come back ….
    On a serious note …. what will happen to Lambie when he returns after his injury? Will he return, or leave for Europe, despite his contract with the Sharks? Will the Sharks consider him at fullback or centre, because there will probably be an uproar if Lambie is picked at flyhalf …?

    How soon we forget … and how fickle supporters are …. not many a season ago we raved about Lambie the way we are now raving about Bosch …. Do you remember the way Lambie handed off Schalk Burger in that epic Currie Cup final in 2010, in which Lambie scored 25 out of the 30 points? Bosch did that to Jantjes on Saturday, although he did not score a try after doing that and Jantjes is not exactly as big as Burger.

    Players are like the seasons …. the come and go ….. has the time for Lambie to go, arrived? Is there still a place for him in the Sharks group?

    Was Lambie the real deal for a few seasons, then seriously hampered by injuries (and Heinke Meyer) and is 2017 his swan song?

  • Comment 169, posted at 03.04.17 11:25:35 by swan Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 167) :

    1> I agree a Still Photo is not telling the true story… but the law states

    “Illegal (high) tackle

    World Rugby recently redefined illegal (high) tackle categories and increased sanctions to deter high tackles via a law application guideline, with the new law applying from the beginning of January. As a result, the two new categories of dangerous tackles will carry penalty offences to deter and eradicate high tackles:

    Reckless tackle

    A player is deemed to have made reckless contact during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game if in making contact, the player knew or should have known that there was a risk of making contact with the head of an opponent, but did so anyway.

    This sanction applies even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. This type of contact also applies to grabbing and rolling or twisting around the head/neck area even if the contact starts below the line of the shoulders.

    The minimum sanction for this offence is a yellow card while a red will be shown for a maximum transgression.

    Accidental tackle

    When making contact with another player during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game, if a player makes accidental contact with an opponent’s head, either directly or where the contact starts below the line of the shoulders, the player may still be sanctioned.

    This includes situations where the ball-carrier slips into the tackle. In this instance, the minimum sanction is a penalty.”

    Tech Yellow card is the min offence for a tackle that touches the head unless the payer ducks into the tackle making it an “Accidental tackle” not a “reckless tackle”…

    2> To be honest the laws only have been put between the tackler and tacklee… the interpretation of it covering the neck roll is not implicit, But there is a precedent and unfortunately I cannot find any video evidence

    3> I apologise… I said J Kriel try I meant M Marx try where Jaco Kriel was the one doing the neck holding cleaning out on the side of the maul in front of the break by Marx for his try… Below is a link move through to about 0:41. [I will also state that technically The sharks captain “deserved” a yellow for doing the same as Jaco Kriel].

  • Comment 170, posted at 03.04.17 11:26:16 by Warren Harvey Reply

  • @swan (Comment 169) : If Lambie was to come back tomorrow I am sure he would be played off the bench for a game or two then take his place at 10 and move Bosch to full back.

    Dont get me wrong he has played two blinders at 10… but he has room to grow.

    And to be honest between U20 and Boks we would miss them for a large chunk of the season anyway

  • Comment 171, posted at 03.04.17 11:32:35 by Warren Harvey Reply

  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 170) : Mtembu might have been penalised if the Lions didn’t score. Don’t think that’s a yc offence.

    As to the ruck incident, there was an incident in the UK earlier in the year where a player was yellow carded and cited for a head tackle when the ball carrier dropped his head and battering rammed into him, similar to what one often see props and locks do around the rucks. The judicial officer found him not guilty and expunged his yc as the ball carrier was deemed primarily responsible for causing the incident. I know it’s not the same as the ruck but players often go in head first into rucks, which is why I feel a video clip would be better than a single still shot.

    Anyway, there are still going to be a lot of arguments this season around this as different refs will call it differently on the day. Unfortunately that’s the nature of the game where interpretation plays a large role

  • Comment 172, posted at 03.04.17 16:38:51 by Baylion Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 172) : I agree Mtembu probably needed to be penalised (or given advantage) but then have it turned because Kriel did the same thing afterwards, but before the try, and I know you say it shouldn’t be a yellow card…. but that is what Oosthuizen’s yellow card was for.

    Its hard to say on the field because a ref in another hemisphere did this during a game so you should… even from game to game I would understand a ref maybe blowing slightly differently, I take exception where its in a single game the same ref and touch judge seem to alter their viewpoint/interpretation on what seems like on who makes out better. I will also be honest and claim sour-grapes because if the sharks won I would just say we did it in spite of the ref and not really care anymore about it

    I attempted to give you a video clip of Kriel (and Mtembu as a bonus… maybe to just prove that something did go in the sharks favour for 80min) clearing out players with their arms around oppositions necks.

  • Comment 173, posted at 05.04.17 11:12:00 by Warren Harvey Reply


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