This does not compute…

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 May 2017 at 18:06
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Guys – I’m really sorry, but a day when the Sharks lose to the Kings in Super Rugby is, for me, a day when the world stops making sense.

Maybe the problem here is my own ego – maybe I simply cannot countenance or accept the reality of where Sharks rugby is right now. Maybe I’ve become too close to the system, bought into too much of the hype and ignored all the evidence; thus allowing myself to believe that despite everything that has happened, we remain a side that could challenge for a Super Rugby trophy.

They say the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing but expect different results. Every year I expect the Sharks to be great and the reality is that they aren’t and probably aren’t ever going to be. Perhaps 1996 really was an anomaly and all that’s been happening ever since then is just a gradual correction back towards where the Sharks naturally belong (and are comfortable), which is clearly somewhere around the middle of the table.

So – this is the reality and for me (and for many of you) it’s about deciding what to do with that information. You can’t change what is, you can only control how you react to what is. I don’t know yet whether I am a big enough man to accept the Sharks for what they are, rather than insisting on them being something that they aren’t and don’t seem to want to be either.

I wonder if they laugh at us foolish and overly-passionate fans – the ones who genuinely believe that some day the Sharks will be Super Rugby champions? Probably not – that’s again just my ego trying to make this about “me” when the reality is that my hopes and desires here are of no real consequence.

I need some time to process this and decide whether I can continue on this path. I’m sure you will all understand.


  • I take you back a year ago when I was up in arms here. When the blind eye by so many was always going to be a wake up call. Sadly the right people will never get to where so many fans are. We need to decide.. Are we rugby supporters but more important.. Sharks fans. Do we want the best for the banana boys, the Sharks are no longer that. SA rugby is in worst state. Lions are doing well but realistically wont be in the final. More importantly the Sharks messed up when Plum was shiwn the door. The rest is history. Can we get out of it? Yes, but not by keep on going to watch the games. Stop your dstv and get Netflix and showmax and stop fillung the pockets of the people that don’t have the same interest as we have

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.05.17 18:17:18 by ebenp Reply
  • I feel your pain Rob. To be honest I think the Sharks stopped believing they can be champs that final against the Bulls in 2007. We never looked the same team or mentality after that day.

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.05.17 18:18:57 by boertjie101 Reply
  • When Japan and Italy beat the boks I think my budget for Rugby went to 0

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.05.17 18:19:14 by ebenp Reply
  • Following Rhyno Smith and Pat’s clash of heads, RS was the first to get up. He didn’t even glance in Pat’s direction to see if he was ok. Weird. After Lwazi’s try, the only player he smiled at was Am. Weirder. The du Preez boys have each other’s backs far sooner than they have anyone else’s. This doesn’t feel like a club, or even a team, it’s a company that plays rugby. Surely, surely that shouldn’t be so difficult to sort out, everything else is there. Well, apart from the crowds, but a team that fights for each other will bring them back.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.05.17 18:23:35 by Flashman Reply
  • But yes… This could have been a good year if we won our games against the Reds, Rebels, Lions and Kings. Could have… Now (if we reach the playoffs) we once again probably face the daunting task of traveling to three different continents to achieve the impossible. Why do we keep on getting ourselves into these situations? The state of SA rugby in general doesn’t relieve the pain Sharks are causing either.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.05.17 18:23:39 by boertjie101 Reply
  • @ebenp (Comment 1) : I cancelled my DSTV two years ago already. Had it not been for a kind friend to give me his DSTV login details I would still have listened the ruggas on RSG. A couple of years ago I did not miss a single game. If I had to wake up at 2am to watch a game, then I did just that. Politics in sports ruined my passion for the game, however.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.05.17 18:30:14 by boertjie101 Reply
  • Since the inception of SR, the Sharks have always flattered to deceive….If one thing is true, it’s that the Sharks do not know how to win this (and many other) competitions.

    But, the fool that I am will continue to fall for their flattery, buying into every season finally being the Sharks’ year.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.05.17 18:40:48 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • I am the moer in after that game, and I have to agree, I’m also questioning if it’s ever going to get better. This team time and again build me up with moments of brilliance, but then bring me crashing back to earth with the type of shit we saw yesterday! There is nothing that can get me as angry as the Sharks can. Maybe for the sake of my health I need to think about calling it a day for the die hard supporter in me.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.05.17 18:55:26 by jakkalas Reply
  • While I can understand that people want to throw in the towel – let’s look at a few things….In business if we have a new CEO, new management and staff, how long do we give the company to start firing on all cylinders? Last night during post match interviews after the Saracens successfully winning EPRC two years in a row, it was said that they owe their success primarily to the core of the players having been together for 4 to 5 years. No SA team is afforded that opportunity and yet we still manage to end better than Australian teams! Instead of kicking our boys when they are down, why don’t we help them build? Why don’t we give them a reason to want to stay rather than going overseas? Why don’t we offer our services in leadership? What about us rallying around them and helping with change management? Why don’t we find creative innovative ways to keep players her so that we can be afforded the same luxury of such continuity.
    There are ‘political’ issues at play in every country – in France there have to be a certain number of frenchmen in the starting line up or the club pays fines; in Ireland a position can only be held by a foreigner for two years – but our youngsters aren’t told that before they go overseas.
    While money is important and there is certainly an issue with the lure of the Euro and the Pound, surely we can come up with innovative creative ideas that will retain players.
    Come on all, let’s not give up on the guys now; let’s rally around them, allow them 18 months to start performing; let’s offer our skills and expertise of leadership etc and together let’s build The Sharks better than what they were even in 2007!

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.05.17 19:07:44 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • I feel you Rob. Nowadays I wish the best for the Sharks but I can’t honestly say that my blood is black and white anymore. Because of that, I’m not too cut up about this latest fiasco.

    @Julesgr8ter (Comment 9) :
    You may not know the history, but Rob and others on the site have run this particular campaign many times before. Everything and everyone has a saturation point.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.05.17 19:20:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 10) : I am sure – and Rob and the rest of the guys have done so sacrificially – for which, I personally am indebted, more than you realize – my interests are also exceptionally personal, hence my passion and desire to see the blog continue!

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.05.17 19:28:43 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • The belief is just not there. And belief is the only thing that turned lions into a winning franchise. There was a lot of hype they believed that hype and it turned into real belief. The kings have had a lot of hype about a resurgence the past 3 week for me personally it was a bit ridiculous and unfounded. But it was there, they started believing it and now they have conquered a big team eventually the actual skills can catch up with it and we have another lions phenomena. The sharks have been in boat too coming from the b leagues as underdogs having some success and building on that belief the kind of morale that could beat the big guns. Problem is now we are the big guns and we have lost that “size of the fight in the dog mentality” So there is a mind shift that needs to happen usually a desperate back to the wall period brings that kind of thing back, but who has the apetite for that?

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.05.17 19:42:17 by coolfusion Reply
  • I posted this on the previous thread, so posting it again here as it is more relevant to this thread, I feel we should never give up, but of course every person has the right to give up if he or she so wish, I just feel the last 4 years with the changes and disruptions at the Sharks it has caused far more mayhem than we realize.

    I watched the Gary Teichman interview and he spoke of the problems at what it is he wants to bring back to the Sharks, I thus have to believe he should be afforded the time to do so in all fairness, The main thing he alluded to was bringing back the values of the Sharks from the 90’s.

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 227) : Probably still the same, not sure if he will get taller? weight maybe a tad heavier.

    Sitting back this morning I know many will not agree with me but if we all sit back and take a deep breath and look back at the past 3 years at the Sharks what the troubles have been and how it has disrupted the union one has to be a bit more understanding to the situation, take the Bulls for example then it is their supporters that should be angry, or Cheetahs, we still in there at a chance where those 2 unions are dead and berried, Kinds to a lesser degree but they still only have 19 points, We have a very young team and I have no doubt we need to stick with the majority of that base.

    There are for me a few positions where we need more quality depth, and somehow we need to get better at seeking talent, we might say our small player are good but 90% of the time it is the good bigger players that succeed.

    We need …….
    1) Top Scrummy
    2) With Lambie and Bosche we need another top 10
    3) a Top Hooker
    4) A genuine 6 Fetcher
    5) Faster Wings
    6) A top FB
    7) A top Tight Head
    8) A decent KOP Doktor, one we have not good enough.
    9) If the Kings do lose out on staying in SR get their head coach and attack coach into our coaching group.
    10) Lastly we need Teichmann to reinstall the family values of the union and bring back the love for the jersey.

    Comment 228, posted at 14.05.17 17:25:23 by sharks_lover Reply

    One thing I have no doubt in is that R Dup needs to show more faith in the likes of Thomas and other youngsters, but we also need to then support them when they still show lack of experience in games,

    An example i have is like yesterday when Nkosi came on, yes he is probably faster than Mvovo but he lacked in certain areas and when we kicked the up and unders he did not go for the ball, he seemed to hang back and be a tad scared. does not mean we should not play him but he needs to be taught the mistakes are there and what to do to fix it, skills are there.

    Keep the Faith…. I know as hard as I am finding it I will keep that faith 😕 😕 🙁 🙁

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.05.17 20:00:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 9) : Mate I watched us playing B section rugby for years in Natal where we were considered as a nothing Union, and belief in NATAL kept us going and we have to believe it will return now that it has gone sour again. Been supporting Natal sport for 50 years plus, cannot stop now as much as it hurts

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.05.17 20:02:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 14) : My past experiences and current feelings are very much in line with yours. Hang in there, men!! And I’m talking as much to the team as to the supporters…don’t give up!

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.05.17 20:12:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 7) : It is the HOW that had totally exposed the Sharks. We were given a life line when Jake White took over as he is a winner and knows HOW to win competitions. Our players though decided that being mediocre was better than putting in the required hard yards to win this thing.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.05.17 20:38:00 by GreatSharksays Reply
  • @sharks_lover (Comment 14) : Snap. Suckers for mental abuse of our own making.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.05.17 20:44:49 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 16) : Forget it. We’ll win it when everyone stops giving a shit because the best players are playing in the new Rugby IPL in Singapore.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.05.17 20:48:09 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I feel your pain Rob!!!
    I only watched the first 40min and then decided to rather do something else!!!
    Unfortunately I can’t see things change unless RdP snr makes a couple of hard calls!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.05.17 20:50:33 by JD Reply
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  • Rugby is a team game and that is what the Kings showed us again. They work incredibly hard to get into position on attack and defense. The Sharks over the past number of years rely too much on individual game breakers to win games instead of having a team environment where the next player just slots in seamlessly.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.05.17 21:10:26 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @coolfusion (Comment 12) : Guys please please understand this so that the Sharks can start to find the solutions. Our problem lies in the backline. We have not had a functioning backline since Dick Muir left. Teams that have beat us have been the ones that have been able to match us physically and have outskilled us in the backline. Because there’s been no vision or drive to improve the backline which is basically our attack, we have not been able to recruit the best backline coaches which has meant that we have not recruited wisely in the backline over the past 10 years. Think about it, how is Everitt going to know which type of player to scout for that is going to be able to execute the gameplan, how is Everitt going to know which player compliments which players and how to put everything together. You can’t play SR without an attacking game, a gameplan that enables you crack open defenses. We have a one dimensional gameplan. The Kings on the other hand have options on attack and their backline players, I think at least 5 of them, are serious multioption attacking threats. In our backline, if we have more than 2 I will be very surprised. How many backline moves have we seen from the Sharks? Fix the backline issues whilst we still have a pack.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.05.17 21:11:36 by GreatSharksays Reply
  • Been a few wise posts in here – Pastorshark, sharks_lover, Julesgr8ter – that I agree with wholeheartedly. Disruptions for years and we’re just expected to do well after ringing some good changes? It’s going to take time. We’re nowhere near as bad as some other SA franchises are at the moment and while it hurts to see our team do shyte when we shouldn’t, I’m not letting it get to me this year. Watch the game for the love of it and let it all pass by before Monday keeps my blood pressure down, lol.

    Criticise yes, be upset yes, rage at the loss, rage at a durp play by someone but damn, there are some real hateful posts lately …… fair-weather supporters hey. It will smooth out at some point and the team will do us super proud, that I’m sure of.

    P.S – the Kings played with serious passion in that game … yes there was sketch from the ref but a better team on the day beat us, end of story 😉

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.05.17 21:15:20 by Mephisto_Shark Reply
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 21) : I think we have great individuals in the backline (although we really need two good scrummies), but there is no real plan on attack in the backline apart from shoveling the ball to the wings.

    Gary needs to find us a good Kiwi attack coach, or make the backline coach from the Kings an offer he can’t refuse.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.05.17 21:18:49 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Mephisto_Shark (Comment 22) : It’s going to take time? It took the Kings just 9 games from zero to beat the Mighty Sharks. How’s that for getting on with the job?

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.05.17 21:21:36 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Completely understandable Rob. Taking mental stock is never a bad thing. Thanks for your tremendous efforts on here over the years. Whatever you decide, I’ll always remain grateful for some really great friendships that were forged on here and spilled into real life all thanks to this site.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.05.17 22:02:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Rob… good article mate. I agree with your sentiment, and feelings. The juice is just not worth the squeeze when the Sharks loose too the Kings… its just not written in any rugby script.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.05.17 22:22:32 by SharksRTB Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 25) : very gratefull indeed. Love the site and the work done here by normal supporters.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.05.17 22:25:20 by SharksRTB Reply
  • @JD (Comment 19) : like dropping Dan and bringing Keegan back…. and making him captain.

    Dropping Beast, playing Thomas.

    Start with Lewis

    9… get someone else in.

    Play Deysel ahead of Ward.

    Play Nkosi ahead of Mvovo.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.05.17 22:28:30 by SharksRTB Reply
  • @SharksRTB (Comment 28) : but I actually don’t really care what they do…

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.05.17 22:35:52 by SharksRTB Reply
  • I don’t think everything is about depth or getting TOP players in every position…although it does help to a certain margin. But have a good look at the Crusaders.
    In 2016 they had 11 NEW players added to their squad and 4 added from the 2015 wider training group. 4 were forwards and 11 were backline players. So the first thought was cohesion (somebody said Saracens had a core for 4-5 years).
    So how did the Crusaders fare in 2016? They had just as many wins as three other NZ teams, with just 3 log points seperating them from top team, the Canes. Just the Chiefs scored more than their 65 tries (from 15 games).
    And what are the Crusaders doing in 2017……

    We get hyped if we get a high profile player that are SO experienced, but they then just fizzle or don’t get gametime. For as long as I remember we also get hyped about youngsters signed….but they end up popping up at other unions or clubs.

    So then it must be a management issue? These days I really don’t know the meaning of a “contract”…most probably its an agreement for where and when the salary needs to be paid in. Because players are “released” from their contracts at will.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.05.17 22:38:28 by JustPlainSHARK Reply
  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 30) : Cosching coaching coaching. Don’t be afraid to say it. If you say management you make us think it is the CRO. Jake coaching alone without help from Everitt or BMH, took us took us to the semifinals and winners of the SA conference for the first and last time. Imagine if he had quality assistant coaches.

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.05.17 06:29:43 by GreatSharksays Reply
  • My passion has dwindled every season since 2007. And when the national team started on the embarrassing downward curve I lost even more interest. A loss no days does not hurt as much as it use to… and a victory is no longer celebrated the way it use to. The reality is that most of us are coming to the conclusion that there are simply just too many external factors at play that affects a sport we love so much.

    I will say this thou…the team is not a team unless everyone buys into it. This is not suppose to be a job, it is suppose to be about passion (only you get paid for it). The majority of the Kiwi teams seems to get this spot on and shows in the results. There is no all for one and one for all ethos within our team (s). Pride is thing of the past and all we see is bodies going thru the motions.

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.05.17 07:24:44 by Farlington Reply
  • At least the Blitzbokke are providing rugby hope for my weary bones.

    Won Paris, and also crowned the 2017 series champions with one tournament to go.

    That team epitomises professionalism in rugby, and it is encouraging to see an SA team able to fully step up on the grand stage.

    Use that template to fix SA rugby.

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.05.17 07:49:44 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • Seem asif RdP is quite content, if the post match interview is anything to go by.

    “No complaints”
    “We got beaten, and thats that”
    “4 tries to 2 sums it up”
    “Not sure about Pat’s injury”

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.05.17 07:53:23 by SharksRTB Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 33) : they are flippen awesome

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.05.17 07:53:57 by SharksRTB Reply
  • I have stayed away from here for a reason, the unmitigated shit and vitriol being spewed out here is nauseous.
    We lost a game we were winning up to the last 5 minutes by 2 points
    .Had it not been for a, totally amateur mistake by the captain on the field we would have won.
    Factor into it the sickening sight of Pat Lambie being taken off the field, and all those players the field knowing exactly why, and what it means.
    Then we introduce a guy into the driving seat who two weeks ago wasn’t in the Sharks XV .
    Lawazi ‘s try was a thing of beauty, a complete backline try.
    And on comes the call to fire the coach, fire Everett,fire the academy staff.
    Thisfrom the same people who were predicting that we would wipe the Kings
    The only problem the Sharks have is a lack of depth, you can thank the previous management for that
    We lost Eesterhuizen,a 110 kg colousess in the backline a one man defense,and we try and play the same game when we replace him with an 85 kg junior.
    Pat Lambies back up two teenagers.
    Look at why the Lion’s are great excellent back up in every position.
    I save my vitriol for the weekend when we leak 50 ponts for the third week in a row

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.05.17 08:19:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 36) : Please tell me what qualifies Everit as the backline/attack coach, save for a qualification in sports science? His track record over multiple years at the Sharks have shown nothing to suggest that he deserved his shot as backline coach.

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.05.17 08:44:58 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 37) : Look you obviously have a problem with him, but he is the only semblance of continuity in the whole Sharks set up.
    Your constant criticism of him would be a lot more credible if you suggested a replacement.
    Please don’t say any New Zealander ,the one at the Stormers set up a backline defense that leaked nearly150 points in 3 games.

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.05.17 08:53:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : True leads the defense of the Streamers.

    James Small is the backline coach that I’ve been calling for since RdP came over.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.05.17 09:00:03 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 38) : Again – the Kiwi is their skills coach, and they have been scoring the tries to prove that he made a difference – 40 in total, i.e. an average of 4 per game. Whereas the Sharks have managed only 26, i.e. 2.3 per game.

    You need to blame Paul Treu for their shocking defense – he is clearly out of his depth

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.05.17 09:01:54 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 40) : So who would you thank for our great defense ,best defence outside of New Zealand.

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.05.17 09:08:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 39) : James Small was Rob’s partner before he joined the Sharks.He should know lot more about his suitability for the position, and I am sure that if he wanted him he would be here.

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.05.17 09:12:08 by The hound Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 34) : To be fair, you should probably quote more than just four mini sound bites out of that interview…you left out things like “very disappointing for us” that show that it is hardly accurate to say that Rob is content…and the write-up itself is already not a reflection of the whole interview – its main focus is on what Rob had to say about the Kings.

    Come on guys, surely it is possible to look at the Sharks of 2017 and see several areas of good progress when compared to the Sharks of 2016. Sure, there are several areas we still need a lot of work on – bloody consistency and “being up for it” against the smaller teams on top of my list…and hound’s list is very valid too – but, damn, ripping them apart like this is, in my humble opinion, not helping. I can understand the disappointment, I can understand the internal dilemma Rob describes in this article (and I truly wish you well, Rob, in trying to figure that all out…I remain, as always deeply thankful for this site and your input into it and Sharks Rugby over so many years)…but I can also very much understand what guys like my Cheetah friend say about the arrogance of Sharks supporters who seem to have such an entitlement mentality that they cannot give any credit to anyone else when they beat us. I’m happy to take flak for my stance, I would be happy to bring my constructive criticism to places and forums where it could actually make a difference (call me, Gary :mrgreen: ), I am more than thankful for the many constructive comments that help me understand some of the issues the Sharks have and think about a better way forward…and of,course you all have the right to express your opinions (it’s one of the many things I love about this site)…but I will not tear into my team emotionally and I will not stop supporting them…ever! I would like to acknowledge the progress they have made, ask them to please sort out the consistency and mental issues (they are related directly, in my opinion) and support them again wholeheartedly in their next game…

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.05.17 09:14:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 41) : Lions have the best defense outside NZ – 22 in 11 games, whereas we are now on 27 in 11 games. In fact only the Chiefs just barely shades them on tries conceded.

    We have now leaked more than we scored, but our defense is not bad.

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.05.17 09:17:41 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) : However neither of the Lions nor the Sharks have been playing any of the highflying Kiwi teams so far

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.05.17 09:19:29 by Bokhoring Reply
  • For me what is evident here is that Lambie needs to sit back and think about his life and future. I am sorry but he has not preformed since Mcleod left the Sharks, to add to this he is constantly injured, and we cant have a captain who sits in the stands for 90% of the season. He is a good fellow and highly respected guy, but he needs to put himself first now and also The Sharks needs to rethink their situation with him unfortunately. The constant uncertainty of him even being available in the season is a problem for us, his general play has deteriorated so much the last come of seasons.

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.05.17 09:22:18 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 45) : I was about to say I wonder in reality where we would have been on the log if we were playing the Kiwi’s this season.

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.05.17 09:23:28 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 1) : @Julesgr8ter (Comment 9) : I agree that this downward spiral started with Plums firing, but I dont think it was the loss of Plum that caused us to be where we are but more the nuclear fallout that came as a consequence of it. There was a very good article about the hundreds of years of accumulative experience that the Sharks lost in one fell swoop with the departure of van Zyl, Strauli etc. That loss of experience was bound to leave a huge hole, and it did but I at least feel that the Sharks as a union have now managed to stop that hemorrhaging and are actually on the path to righting many of the wrongs of the past few years.

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.05.17 09:41:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 47) : In the SA conference there is the Lions and then the rest. But I don’t have much faith the Lions will win it – not playing the Kiwis in the league stages may leave them under-cooked in the quarters

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.05.17 09:43:01 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 42) : How many coaches have been appointed by RdP? Who says he didn’t want Small, and had his request turned down? Even JW was lumped with assistants picked for him, one of whom was Everit, and JW said they were rank amateurs and he was forced to do all the coaching himself.

    @Uli Boelie (Comment 47) : I guess that’s the reason that most of us feel extremely worried about the Sharks – we’ve been average against very average teams (Reds, Rebels, Kings x2).

    Should we progress past the conference, we’ll be in for a very rude awakening at Christchurch.

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.05.17 09:52:42 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • Something is certainly rotten in KZN rugby. Yes the Sharks have had spells f good play and won a couple but the same glaring shortcomings are still there as they have been for the last number of years. The Sharks XV are usually pretty woeful same as our junior teams. A lot as blamed on Gary Gold yet a year later and nothing has changed. Some hard truths need to be told. 1. Our players are hyped up and are not the world beaters we think they are. Fact is they struggle to perform the basics. 2. There is very little good on field leadership at the Union. 3. The game plan throughout the Union is pretty horrid. 4. There is no pride and passion from the players, especially the seniors…they can say what they like to the media- their performances tell the story.
    Unfortunately it seems very little is going to change in the short term….and it seems like frustration is going to be the main feeling one gets when watching this team/Union.

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.05.17 09:57:25 by SheldonK Reply
  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 46) : you have never been a Lambie fan so i suppose you feel justified now.
    But think about what you are saying”The constant uncertainty of him even being available in the season is a problem for us, ”
    He is not a Jean deVilliers breaking down from old injuries, every one of Pat’s injuries have been inflicted on him,he has been injured in the line of duty leading from the front.
    If he was a Naas Botha hiding miles away from contact then your criticism would be valid.
    I have been watching sport for a long long time but have never felt so sick as when I saw his face after that collision on Saturday,he was so ill.
    This guy is a true hero prepared to give everything for this team, so take your thinly disguised criticism and go fuck yourself.

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.05.17 10:09:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : The one coach that had the guts to take on the players and other coaching staff for lack of work ethic was shown the door.

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.05.17 10:31:00 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 52) : blinded by the rampant fanboyism much? For your information I have been very supportive of him. His concussion issues is a major problem for him and his health and from a Sharks rugby point of view very concerning to want to select him not knowing if he will even finish a game. I don’t think you realise how much of a physiological impact this has on a player even if he is all clear until the end of his career. Next time before you wag your tail, think about your mother washing that filth out of your mouth.

  • Comment 54, posted at 15.05.17 10:31:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 53) : And he wasn’t backed by management. As I said something is rotten in kzn rugby. Its quite simply one of 2 things….either the coaching is particularly poor OR the players are over hyped and actually aren’t that god.

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.05.17 10:35:17 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : Or both

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.05.17 10:41:38 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 54) : Take your own advice muppet, if you really believed what you say in your second post, how do you justify
    ”The constant uncertainty of him even being available in the season is a problem for us, his general play has deteriorated so much the last come of seasons”
    I have expressed concerns about him on these pages since that vicious attack from Stander in the Irish game,I have also drawn peoples attention to articles written on danger of concussion and players like Alistar Hargreaves retiring from it.
    I just think that Pat’s bravery and his literally putting his life literally on the line,for this team cannot go undefended from comments like yours.
    Do you honestly think for one minute he doesn’t know what danger he is in,

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.05.17 10:51:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : That’s kind of my view…I confess I don’t know everything that is going on behind the scenes…but it does seem to me from what I do know that your description is accurate…

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.05.17 10:57:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : Sheldon welcome back ,but seriously what you guys are raving about is confusing,”: ”The one coach that had the guts to take on the players and other coaching staff for lack of work ethic was shown the door.”
    Since Jake was shoved out there is no one left in a position of power at the Sharks that was there then,definately no one from the Plum era.
    So the continuum of abuse is a fallacy.
    The big problem is in fact the obverse there is no continuity.
    I think there has been a determined effort to bring back the old values with Gary and Rob being old Sharks steeped in the culture, unlike the mercenaries like Gary Gold,
    Give this team a chance cast your eye over the team again and see how many of the guys are under 25.
    What we need now is continuity .

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.05.17 11:05:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : That’s been my mantra all along: address all the main issues you can and then finally build some consistency in structures and human resources…

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.05.17 11:13:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 60) : You want a model of that look at the Crusaders,brand new man in the job, injured captain.10 games won on the trot in the toughest league in the world.
    Why because they have such good support structures in place, that Gary Gold could probably coach that team to victory.
    Every one in that union buys into a single Crusaders culture
    Thats why this constant call for change grates my are, we need to start to build back that old Natal culture that built this union under Mac
    I was listening to the Highlanders captain after the game and he said it, we are a family we play for each other and we play for the team.
    Can we truly say that, not yet any way.

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.05.17 11:42:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : Plum had a ton of continuity during his era, and it yielded zero SR titles, only a few CC cups (something Brendan Venter achieved with zero continuity).

    JW got us to a semi-final with zero continuity, and zero support from his coaching staff and management.

    Bulls went from decent to utter rubbish having given Ludicrous tons of continuity.

    England gave Lancaster 4 years to not even get out of their pool stages in Rwc2015….Eddie waltzes in and results are immediate.

    Just a few examples of continuity not being the solution.

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.05.17 11:45:00 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 59) : To be honest blaming lack of continuity is a cop out. Continuity is not to blame for the shocking level of handling and defense shown. Yes continuity in selection will help with execution of game plan but still seeing one off runners and aimless kicks game after game is not because of continuity. In the modern game very seldom does the same team play week after week and year after year. Things change, and change constantly yet other teams seem to be getting it right. Hell even the Kings look to have their act more together than the Sharks. In recent past we were very quick to criticise the coaches and I mentioned that the players need to be held to account…well the coaches have rotated but we still see the same garbage from the same players.
    Look things could be worse and we could be the Bulls…but still

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.05.17 11:47:35 by SheldonK Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 61) : Todd Blackadder had 4-odd years, and never accomplished what their new fellar has done in one year.

    Your “continuity” argument would have seen Blackadder with another 4 years of “almost successful” crusaders rugby.

    Yet it is change that has given them a renewed edge.

    One guy has remained since the van Zyl era, and that is Everit….get rid of the common denominator, and go from there. (Troubleshooting seems to be the only solution now)

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.05.17 11:51:55 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 61) : Playing for each other and playing for the team also means putting in the hard yards (often in your own time) to improve areas in your play that is lacking. You read interviews about NZ teams and you also hear about the extra time the players put in to perfect their skills. It sometimes amazes me how some players have to leave the Sharks to become the complete player. You look at Craig Burden – for years at the Sharks his lineout throwing was substandard, although he made up for it with real dynamic play. He moves to Toulon and after a season or two he is the complete hooker doing the basics of his position plus not losing on his dynamic play.

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.05.17 12:00:54 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 64) : Shit you mean if we’d fired Sean we could have kept Gary.
    Blaming Sean for the Sharks misfortunes is like blaming Stick for the woeful Boks.
    Get real how can a backline coach be blamed for players failure to hang on to the ball, something they’ve learnt since grade one barefoot rugby.
    Once you ‘ve got rid of him who is next, we have got rid of the Chairman,CEO , COO,coach,manger,baggage manager, theP.R. person , and it was all for nothing because it was Sean’s fault all the time.

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.05.17 12:26:04 by The hound Reply
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  • Maybe this will illustrate how poor our attack is – taking the average of tries conceded by the teams we played so far (counting Jags and Kings twice) comes to 38, whereas we have managed to score 26, i.e. 12 below the average. I am sure if we take the same from last year we will end up with similar figures. The “lowly” Kings team with all their disruptions, no pre-season and no continuity has managed to score 37 vs. an average conceded by the teams they played against of 39.

    This Sharks team struggles to score tries, and that needs to be corrected.

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.05.17 12:32:22 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 66) : Don’t be obtuse.

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.05.17 12:39:13 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 68) : A guy posting incessantly, under the nom de plume, Fire the Looser,name calling me obtuse,
    There is subtle irony in that.

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.05.17 12:56:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 43) : i hear you and must say, that I did quote from news24. However, still not the response expected by a true sharks man like RDP losing to the Kings. Hence the feeling I got was that he is content…

    “Look we tried our best and we lost, can we just move on”…. I guess some of us are satisfied with this mid table hot cold might lose to the minnows might just beat them bullshit that the sharks keep on dishing up year in and year out.

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.05.17 13:28:13 by SharksRTB Reply
  • Lambie is out. Concussion…

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.05.17 13:31:48 by SharksRTB Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 68) : Back off now, thats my line. 😈

  • Comment 72, posted at 15.05.17 14:00:09 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 72) : ….and it works so darn well… especially in situations like these.

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.05.17 14:47:00 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 72) : ….besides, I couldn’t very well tell Hound that he’s being dumb on purpose, “obtuse” is me respecting the elderly. 🙂

  • Comment 74, posted at 15.05.17 14:58:11 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @ebenp (Comment 1) : showmax is owend by multi choice

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.05.17 15:22:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : World class coaches are required. When are we going to wake up and face the truth. Rob is definitely a step up from Gary Gold. Do I want us to chuck Rob out with the bath water? Nope. Do I think he needs assistance from a flippen good coach, preferably an up and coming NZ ITM coach of the same caliber as a Scott Robertson. For those who are confused, ex All black that coached in amazing and actually won something there, or an experienced NZ SR head coach or former head coach that wants a break from the norm. The strategy should be find something that is going to equip Rob, showing a different way to coach and better understand the game. Same thing that happened to Ackerman.

  • Comment 76, posted at 15.05.17 15:33:38 by GreatSharksays Reply
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 76) : Sunwolves were able to snag Jamey Joseph – clear indication that kiwi coaches enjoys broadening their horizons in spite of team pedigree.

  • Comment 77, posted at 15.05.17 15:56:52 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 76) : The theory has merit but easier said than done especially with the Rand as the bargaining chip

  • Comment 78, posted at 15.05.17 16:00:23 by SheldonK Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : Sorry, don’t agree with your analysis…
    1) Firstly, most of the examples you give of zero continuity are actually people who have come in after an extended period of continuity and have had the advantage of bringing their unique input into a situation in which continuity was built up in most other structures over an extended period of time. Probably the major exception is White – I remain truly sorry that we didn’t buy into his vision…but to be fair, you can’t rate Jake as a success for reaching one semi-final and Brendon Venter a success for one Currie Cup title, while rating Plum a failure when he reached one “quarter” final, one semi-final and one final in Super Rugby and won two Currie Cup titles and also,coaching the Sharks to two more top of the log positions in the Currie Cup.
    2) I don’t think continuity is the only element necessary for success…but it is certainly one important element. If you have no,continuity anywhere – administration, coaching, player resources or structures – then it is very difficult to achieve success at all, no matter what coach you have. Again, some of the examples you mention might have been new coaches who achieved immediate success, but they also came into a setup where the other aspects – admin, player resources and structures, showed a far greater extent of continuity. We have had a time now at the Sharks where we have had almost no continuity in any area. That needs to change. In my comment, though, I also pointed out a second element: it is no use having continuity in things that are not as they should be…so I said, get a lot of things right that were wrong and then build continuity. I think the Sharks under Gary have done much of the former pretty well. Now we need a lot more of the latter…

  • Comment 79, posted at 15.05.17 16:30:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 76) : That is a constructive comment…I would love to see us do whatever is necessary to better equip our coaches and players…

  • Comment 80, posted at 15.05.17 16:38:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 79) : Both Jake and Brendan had one season to achieve what they achieved, after the entire Sharks management and admin had been fired – they achieved what they did with next to zero continuity.

    Plum came into a very stable team setup, having served as assistant coach in 2006/7, then became head coach in a very stable team environment – he had all the reason to win a SR title….many a Sharks team have reached semi’s and finals, and we always celebrated these near misses – then the bulls suddenly won 3SR titles, and us Sharks fans realised that simply reaching a final is not all the great after all.

    Sharks are trying to rebuild everything now under Teichman, and I agree that he will need time to set things right – but I do not believe that everything at the Sharks needs to stay as it is currently set up, just because of the fear of losing any semblance of continuity.

    One big issue I had/have during the Plum era, JW era and RdP era is the lack of any decent assistant coaches – your buddy the forwards coach seem to be doing well enough, except for our driving mauls that needs fixing.

    Another worrying factor is RdP’s continued selection of Dan, who’s clearly not playing to his full potential and a bit of a liability on attack – with Jean Deysel’s dad coming on here to voice his unhappiness, there could very possibly again be friction within the Sharks group due to a family member being selected over the more senior members – especially considering the form of said family member. This could be another rift circa Duppie brothers.

    My point to hound was that continuity alone does not impact success – it can in some instances, but the Sharks specifically haven’t won the SR title in spite of all evolutions of continuity….we need to win that damned cup. We’re a bit like the Proteas unable to win a cricket world cup….there’s more to it than simply continuity.

  • Comment 81, posted at 15.05.17 17:09:51 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 81) : It seems we agree that continuity is not the only element at play. That is clear. I still disagree with you on the value that needs to be placed on continuity. You seem to feel it has almost no value. I feel one of the major issues at the Sharks is 6 years of almost no continuity in any area. I also feel we aren’t going to progress if we can’t get some areas right and then establish some continuity in them. I’m happy if we decide to agree to disagree on that…but I will keep giving my opinion on it…
    Just a few additional thoughts:
    1) Just a correction: My buddy, Ryan Strudwick, was the forwards coach last year…he’s the defence coach this year…personally I think he’s done pretty well there. I continue to think our next step must not be to change the coaching staff, but to invest in them over a period of time and to give them exposure to other coaches that they can learn something from.
    2) I think in our last few games the loose trio has by and large been very good. I didn’t watch Saturday’s game, so can’t comment on it, but in the two weeks before that the loose trio of the Dup brothers and Ginger was very, very good. I agree that Dan is making a few too many individual errors but I also think he very positively added to the loose trio. I want to see him grow further…and I think he will. That doesn’t mean I want to see him picked in every game – I would like to see Keegan back to add something different and some leadership…but I would be picking him before Deysel and Mtembu most days. So I think it is unfair to say RdP is picking him simply because he’s his son. He’s only picked him 3 or 4 games on the trott now and I think the reasons for doing so are sound.
    3) I would also like to see us winning that damn cup. That won’t make it happen, though. I reckon if we want to achieve it, we need at least a three year plan to get there. I don’t know what all the precise aspects of that plan need to be…I do think if we have no continuity in some important areas, we won’t get there. What are your concrete suggestions to get us there?

  • Comment 82, posted at 15.05.17 17:34:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 82) : I find it interesting and quite telling that in all this discussion about Dan, not a single person is suggesting bringing back Tera, so it seems unanimous that Dan is a much better option than Tera. Some have been calling for Vermuelen or Keegan to replace Dan, who between them have one SR start and two Sharks XV starts, not much to go on there isn’t it? I think most are being too harsh on Dan, he had a very serious injury that took a very long time to recover from, he has been out a long time, and he was not exhibiting these problems last year when healthy, therefore I fully expect he will overcome the problems given the opportunity.

  • Comment 83, posted at 15.05.17 19:49:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) : I find this comment highly offensive and ageist,in the same bigoted context as racism ,sexism .
    You have a lot to learn in life most of it will be wasted on you ,but there are a couple of certainties that won’t,firstly we all have an arsehole,and secondly we all ,even you, age, some of us do it gracefully and some of us end up sucking on a tube and drooling from the mouth.
    And talking of arseholes if i wanted to talk to one I’d speak to my own

  • Comment 84, posted at 15.05.17 21:13:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : Babies and old folk drool from the mouth, I never stopped….. :mrgreen: 😉

  • Comment 85, posted at 15.05.17 21:35:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 82) : Who’s the forwards coach if not Ryan?

    I’m a stuck record right now, but an immediate fix for me is Small to replace Everit.

    I’m happy with skills coaching being handled by Zondagh, and happy for us to have a head doctor.

    For me, we lack fire and urgency – and I liked what I saw from Small as backline coach for the Pukke, very similar temperament to Cheika, and that fire is contagious….our team (and supporters) needs to catch that fire.

  • Comment 86, posted at 15.05.17 21:39:02 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 84) : Such class, such grace, now maybe you and your walker should take a hike? Too offensive?….it’s hard to tell with you. 😉

  • Comment 87, posted at 15.05.17 21:43:15 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 87) : Oh yeah, another similarity between babies and us old folk, babies need a pram, old folk a grown up pram (wheelchair), babies need training wheels on their bicycle, old folk need training wheels to walk (walker). 😉 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 15.05.17 21:47:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) : Seems you’re able to take my banter far more gracefully than the other resident geriatric – thank you for that. As my Irish friends say, you need to be able to take it as well as you can give it….

  • Comment 89, posted at 15.05.17 22:02:05 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 89) : If I haven’t figured out how to laugh at myself by now, I would be living a depressing existence.

  • Comment 90, posted at 15.05.17 22:16:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 89) : The tragedy is that you are totally unaware how offensive you are ,real little man syndrome, it may come as a huge surprise to you but I am totally comfortable with my age and the times I have lived in,
    and the way I have lived my life.
    Iam very comfortable being in my late 60’s with nothing to prove.
    Please insult me as much as you wish but don’t insult my rugby knowledge or my knowledge and commitment to the Sharks.
    I was involved with this team before you could wipe your arse.
    Nowdon’t engage me here again,I will give you a wide berth you bigoted nasty little man.

  • Comment 91, posted at 15.05.17 22:38:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 86) : Jaco Pienaar is the forwards coach…
    Fair enough re: wanting Small in…don’t know whether there are any particular reasons why it can’t happen…

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.05.17 23:18:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : Yeah, I agree…
    Certainly if I had to choose right now between keeping Dan DuP or Jean Deysel I would choose DuP any day without having to resort to nepotism…loved Deysel, but we need to invest in the next generation…

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.05.17 23:23:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 91) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 92) : come now – you both know that we don’t allow this sort of thing here. Please BOTH cease and desist immediately. Thank you.

  • Comment 94, posted at 16.05.17 08:10:32 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : Read the last line of my last comment, hell you be on to this like an octopus if it was racial, homophobic or sexist, to me this is as offensive, either this guy apologizes or I go.

  • Comment 95, posted at 16.05.17 08:26:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 96) : I agree with you that ageism is also discrimination and won’t be tolerated here. I have dealt with the situation now please move on.

  • Comment 96, posted at 16.05.17 08:37:12 by robdylan Reply
  • @The hound (Comment 95) : I can’t make him apologise. I can apologise to you on behalf of the website and tell you I will do my best to prevent such things being said again.

  • Comment 97, posted at 16.05.17 08:57:37 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : Sorry Rob, seems what I deemed innocent was in fact taken far more personally than I intended, and ended up being hurtful….that was never my intention.

  • Comment 98, posted at 16.05.17 10:31:22 by FireTheLooser Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 98) : thank you sir. Let’s move on.

  • Comment 99, posted at 16.05.17 10:47:18 by robdylan Reply
  • So where’s the apology to Original Pierre?

  • Comment 100, posted at 16.05.17 11:08:16 by Big Fish Reply
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