Silver lining to Andre’s sabbatical?

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 26 Jul 2017 at 12:12
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You guys will know that I’m not a fan of Japanese sabbaticals for players and in a perfect world would like the practice to end altogether.

I’m trying to find a small positive here and I found one yesterday. While it’s not ideal that Stephan Lewies, Philip van der Walt, Lwazi Mvovo and Andre Esterhuizen will all miss not only the entire Currie Cup, but also the bulk of the off-season, in the case of the last-named, at least, there could perhaps be an upside.

Esterhuizen, you see, is off to join Sanix in Japan, coached by none other than the great Carlos Spencer. Now I know you’ll all tell me I’m deluded and that nobody actually does any work or actually improves skills while in Japan raking in the Yen, but surely there must be at least some possibility that Carlos can add a few strings to Big Andre’s bow?

A man can dream…


  • On top of which, I’d add the chance to develop some depth at 12 as a positive.

    Feel like Andre has played every game for the last two years (when not serving time)

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.07.17 12:15:30 by Shakes34 Reply
  • Rob, you forgot to mention this is also Am’s chance to move to 12 😀 #TwitterStalkerAlert

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.07.17 12:36:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Most definitely Rob. That was the first thing that came to mind when you first wrote that Andre is off to Japan. Japan is big on skills and can be a place where one really improves his game if he’s in the right environment and under a coach that knows his left from his right. Was not aware that Carlos is coaching there. All the better for Andre. Let’s hope Mvovo will learn a few things as well.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.07.17 12:39:48 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Not sure I agree with this. Have not seen 1 player come back into SR and perform well. Its mostly just an inerruption.

    Off the point.. I see Kanko is now playing for the Lions at CC level. So how can his home team not get him back? Still think there is some issues at the Shark tank that we are not aware of.. And don’t tell me it is because the du preez twins that are there…

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.07.17 13:04:42 by ebenp Reply

  • @ebenp (Comment 4) : Interruption = disruption.. Oops

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.07.17 13:05:44 by ebenp Reply

  • I think the biggest plus is that Esterhuizen gets a break from just bashing into large South African defenders for a period and allows his body to recover a bit before he is asked to do it all over again in Super rugby. Id love to see a stat fo how many games the Sharks have played over the last 2yrs without Esterhuizen at 12

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.07.17 13:30:04 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : Spare a thought for the Japanese players though. Wouldn’t be surprised if he injures half the opposition team per match.

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.07.17 13:51:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 4) : Agreed, I’d be happy if they can come back having learnt how to be less knackerd than the previous crowd that had been in Japan.

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.07.17 13:59:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : That is if he can catch them. They are pretty nippy (excuse the pun) buggers

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.07.17 14:06:59 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 9) : Hence him injuring only half the team per match :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.07.17 14:25:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : The players in Japan arent all that small. Some big okes running the centres in the Japanese league.

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.07.17 14:42:48 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @ebenp (Comment 4) : Big fan of kanko too, but things fell apart with him and the sharks ages ago.

    plumtree felt that kanko had come back form his first season in jap a yard slow and wasnt doing the effort off the pitch to get back to sr level.

    kanko felt that he was fit and that plumtree should stop playing him on the flank, and he was a 8 through and through. kanko then went to try and focus on getting into the 7s team for the common wealth games but dry kept him out, there was a report that he was moving to Ulster but that never materialized. he would have had a season or two in jap after that as well. now his back in sa. we have enough 8s to fill half a team bro, we dont need him unless we play him at 5, and we have enough 5s as well. maybe he will be back some day.

    The lions are doing the japan contract thing the right way, however certain things did go their way.

    at the lions their team is pretty much set, apart from a few fringe players, and faf leaving. but rossnhas stepped up. their team player two seasons of sr and cc together and noe they really dont need to play cc together to play well thus they can take japan contracts and miss pre season or play for the boks and still kill it in SR. somethings went their way but also their team spirit seem to keep a few players from leaving for japan after one good season. remember you can have a japanese contract and still play rugby championship and november tour now apparently.

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.07.17 15:19:35 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 11) : Hence him injuring only half the team per match :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.07.17 15:50:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I had a long chat on the phone with Andre today and he flies out on Wednesday next week to Japan, must say when talking about the past weekends match the whole team is very unhappy.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.07.17 16:56:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Not convinced jap rugby will have good effect. Frans Steyn only really started looking dangerous when he went to NH. As a jap player he was lethargic same for JP. Japanese Jacque Fourie also never looked as good as SA Jacque.

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.07.17 17:35:56 by coolfusion Reply

  • To me jap backliners seem less strong carriers less mongrel. Maybe it’s just me.

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.07.17 17:38:32 by coolfusion Reply

  • @sharks_lover (Comment 14) : unhappy about the refs inconsistency with the offside line ?

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.07.17 18:09:37 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 17) : Rev, about a lot of the calls, Like us have like 2 seconds to release the ball on the ground but the Lions having enough time, Holding players back which is playing the player off the ball but yet we had a try disallowed for this etc, they also feel scrum calls against Tank were wrong, Anyhow it is over and so be it.

    My problem is the press saying we should not feel aggrieved as we were poor the whole season, no one disputes that, but what does that have to do with the playoffs? even though we all agree the system is shit it does not change the fact that that system is the same for everyone, that the Lions ended on top and still had to play out against us is a part of the system

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.07.17 18:32:14 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Yes Rob I’m sure he will learn a lot from King Carlos!!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.07.17 19:04:23 by JD Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 18) : Very well put and all this crap about Lions win being to the benefit of SA rugby is equal bullshit.We were unfairly robbed of a great win, and this match was as much of a disgrace as the time we were robbed of our Super rugby trophy ,by Habbana and that alcoholic Pseudo Aussie/Kiwi thief Ref.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.07.17 08:21:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : According to this logic the All Blacks should have been given the 1995 RWC. Before and over the tournament they were by far the better team, but in the end they lost the final.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.07.17 08:57:44 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : The biggest flaw in the logic is one I have brought up before.
    Super rugby is a flawed competition
    It starts out as a league system and then turns into a knock out tournament.
    So you play most of the completion as a league, and then the top 8,but not really the top 8, any way 8 teams go into a knock out elimination.
    System that makes it possible for the 8 th best team to win.
    So where the fuck is there any substance for the best team must win.
    That only can be decided in a league where every team plays every team ,home and away, it does work as in all Soccer leagues.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.07.17 09:21:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : @The hound (Comment 22) : Yep, when you are playing a knock out format, any team can theoretically win the whole damn lot. As soon as the league phase has ended a whole new competition begins and what went on before that (other than the points gained determining who plays whom – flawed also) should be forgotten. Its a stupid money spinning format but if you are in it and can take advantage of it then that is what you have to do.

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.07.17 09:53:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Exactly mate, so let’s say we were not robbed and we win and then went on to win the SR trophy would the press report that we did not deserve the cup? Their logic is beyond stupid.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.07.17 12:12:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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