Northern over-exposure?

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Pro14 on 4 Sep 2017 at 17:39
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I’m going to come across like the Grinch who stole SA Rugby’s Northern Hemisphere dream here, but bear with me, please. While I feel that “going north” is a noble objective and one that is, probably, in South African rugby’s best interests, the way it has been done is far more likely to backfire than it is to provide a blueprint for success.

Yes, the Cheetahs and Kings took big hidings in their opening games. Yes, both were understrength and underprepared. Yes, both are coming off long seasons and faced tough first-up encounters. We can make every excuse in the book – but the reality is that if the goal here is to showcase the strength of the South African game to our would-be northern playmates and use that as a platform to push for the inclusion of more teams, then we’re going about this entirely the wrong way.

If you’re going to try and send a message about what a strong and viable partner South Africa is from a rugby point of view, then why send the two worst teams we have to prove that point? It’s a bit like trying to strike a marriage pact with the handsomest knight in the realm by sending the stunted dwarf of an ugly stepsister to woo him.

I’m sorry to pour cold water on the dream, but the Cheetahs and Kings are not going to make a success of Pro14 because they boast something like the bottom 10% of player talent available in our professional game. How long will it be before fans of Ulster, Munster, Edinburgh and Cardiff start to tune out when the southern hemisphere “easy beats” come to town? The Cheetahs and Kings lowered the tone of Super Rugby and they will lower the tone of the Pro14 as well – hardly the strong message that we want to send when clamouring for inclusion in the Northern Hemisphere money-fest.

It’s been my fear all along that by extending a stay of execution to our two weakest franchises, all that we’ve done is wasted a golden opportunity to strengthen South African rugby by consolidating our resources around four strong professional teams. Don’t be terribly surprised if – just like SANZAAR – the Pro14 organisers quickly tire of this farce and start to ask for their money back.

Footnote: I am a fan of the Southern Kings and I really hope for them to do well. Please do not read this piece as an indication that I do not wish them success – it is more an attempt to be completely realistic about the continued farce that sees them unable to build any sort of a squad and thus forced to enter every competition with a brand new team comprising only those players that other franchises deem “not good enough”. This situation completely feeds into the points I make above.


  • Valid points, just feel that a single game isn’t enough to make the conclusion that they don’t belong. The kings didn’t start the Superrugby season in the fine form they finished with. With a cash injection this northern hemisphere tournament offers, they might just hold on to a decent squad and surprise all. The cheetahs need to hire a defence coach and their game will also improve dramatically

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.09.17 17:50:54 by jdolivier Reply
  • Bit harsh imo.

    Did the Cheetahs and Kings lower the tone of Super Rugby more than the four Aus teams that finished below the Kings on the log? Or the Sun fairies or whatever the useless team from Japan is called? Or even the Jaguares?

    Kings beat 2 of the Aus teams, two SA teams including the Sharks.

    But now have to start from scratch again. Can’t expect any team to lose almost their entire Super Rugby first choice team, give new team about two weeks to prepare and expect them to be competitive.

    This first season is a write-off. Just an opportunity to gain some experience.

    If they can retain most of their squad from this season, perhaps add a few, and have time to prepare properly as a team, they should be much better.

    Give them a chance.

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.09.17 21:37:35 by McLovin Reply
  • They’re committed for 6 years if I’m not mistaken and bring with them £6 million per year from tv rights.

    Hopefully they get some of the cash to buy/keep some quality players.

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.09.17 21:41:53 by McLovin Reply
  • The main aim for us going back to 4 teams was that we don’t have enough players to sustain 6 professional teams,now we still have 6 (4 SR and 2 Pro14) where we could have strengthened our 4 biggest teams,we are just spreading our current player resources even thinner! So I do very much agree with what you are saying, I am really hoping that the Cheetahs and Kings do make a success of this new venture, as I am actually enjoying the prospect of watching new teams play SA opponents(established teams,not made up Sunvolwes or Argentinia) more than the ‘play-repeat’ nature of S15/18

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.09.17 21:46:29 by BarendL Reply
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  • I think it’s a bit early to judge. The problem for both the Cheetahs and the Kings have been all along lacking enough money to retain a squad.
    Perhaps with the money they’ll get for playing Pro14, that will change.
    Do they get money, or is it that Saru had to pay the Celts to get them in?

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.09.17 03:15:42 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 5) : that lat point is crucial. I can’t seem to find a straight answer, but leaning towards the latter.

    Apparently every other team in the league benefits to the tune of an extra half a bar Sterling in order to accommodate our teams. Where does that money come from?

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.09.17 04:41:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • Another tough game for the Cheetahs this weekend against Munster, last season’s log leaders and finalists. The Kings have an “easier” game against Connacht, 8th last season.

    @fyndraai (Comment 5) : @robdylan (Comment 6) : Apparently SuperSport is paying about £6-7m, upping the league’s tv monies by 60%-70%. Seems the Kings and Cheetahs will get about the same as they did for Super Rugby (£1.5m = approx R25m) but the sponsor opportunities change, especially for the Kings as they now have a longer term future to sell to sponsors and players.

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.09.17 06:13:52 by Baylion Reply

  • Also think its too early to make a call on the viability of the tournament. Kings have to start from scratch, but can now contract players, as they have security in their future for the first time in their existence.

    Cheetahs have been playing non-stop rugby since February, and are missing quite a few influential players due to injuries. Next year they will have had an off season to rest, and prepare.

    We wil only then be able to make a call.

    Technically you are incorrect Rob, the worst team was the Bulls! Cheetahs did end up below the Kings, but bear in mind the Kings played Aussie opposition. Cheetahs were also better than their log position indicates.

    Cheetahs have shown, that when they can retain their players, they are able to be in the top part of the Super Rugby log, they made the playoffs in 2013.

    I think we will only be able to see the benefit, or viability next season.

    Cheetahs started the Pro 14 without any of their regular flyhalves.
    the following players were missing due to injuries:
    Neil Marais, Fred Zeilinga, Clinton Swart, (the regular FH option), Ryno Eksteen, Ernst Stapelberg, and Robbie Petzer (late visa), Francois Venter (return from Arg late), Nico Lee (return from injury), Carl Wenger, Mohoje, Huggett (return from injury), Cassiem, Rhule (both bok duty) and Tian Meyer.

    So all considered, there is a lot to look forward to.

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.09.17 07:55:39 by KingCheetah Reply

  • Yes there can be a lot of excuses but fact is you have to judge on whats currently put on show and based on what i saw this weekend, currently the Cheetahs and Kings do not have what it takes to compete in the Pro14- perhaps only against the Italians. They may fare better when playing at home in SA, guess time will tell. But on cold rainy nights in Wales and Scotland it could get ugly. I do feel the Cheetahs have a better chance than the Kings of doing well but they need their main palyers fit and playing.

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.09.17 08:39:48 by SheldonK Reply

  • Sorry to say as I really feel for Cheetahs and Kings supporters but both “Super rugby franchises” should have been abolished rather than allowing them to change competitions!!! The whole aim of the “culling” was to strengthen the four remaining teams but with them playing in Europe basically nothing will change!!! Except maybe SA sides will finish last in to continental tournaments!!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.09.17 09:11:58 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 8) : Cheetahs missing a flyhalf has massive repurcussions for the team but this team should by now be a well oiled machine, they have been together long enough and battled through many a hard game to be gelling by now. Lets consider that this was the first game of the competitive European season and that the European sides will still be finding their feet and can only get better while the Cheetahs / Kings will have the bad winter weather to contend with shortly and I too can see things getting very ugly for the SA sides.

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.09.17 09:24:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • As for the dwarf bit, all I can say is Tyrion Lannister…….Im sure he is going to be the only living soul left when Game of Thrones eventually ends.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.09.17 09:27:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I think a key thing missing here is SARU’S cynical view of the Kings and Cheetahs,they have basically taken the two teams with the recent lowest home game attendance and sold them off to Supersport.
    As I understand it neither of the teams will play any home games and will play all their games in the U.K or did I get it wrong.

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.09.17 09:40:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 10) : Although I might be wrong, I don’t think SARU ever said that the culling was to concentrate the talent into 4 franchises. What Jurie Roux has said is that SARU is looking at eventually having 8 pro franchises who are largely self-funded by the competitions they play in. With SR monies going to the SR franchises, the Pro 14 monies to the Pro 14 franchises and the other two being funded by whichever competition they play in, possibly USA if they could get their Pro circuit off the ground. This would free up SARU’s money for the Springboks and the smaller, largely amateur unions.

    We have 1200+ players currently involved at provincial level at both junior and senior level in the 14 unions, players who have to be paid, teams that have to be funded, competitions that have to be funded, etc.

    SARU is looking to expand its income base with the least possible strain of its own finances

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.09.17 09:44:17 by Baylion Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : The overseas teams also have to compete here, so it levels things out. Format is a home and away fixture against each team in your own conference.
    A match vs each team vs the teams in the other conference home or away, and three derby matches.

    I do think the Cheetahs will be a match for most of the teams in the competition.
    The scores whilst the Cheetahs had 15 men on the pitch was 16 – 15, the yellow cards killed us. Lets hold fire till a few more matches have been played.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.09.17 09:46:06 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 13) : Yes, you have it wrong. They will have home games

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.09.17 09:46:14 by Baylion Reply

  • @JD (Comment 10) : And how was that going to work. The other SA teams will hardly contract the Cheetahs players anyway, rather opting to use their own players.
    Besides, as a professional side, the Cheetahs have as much right as any of the other franchises to be involved in a tournament higher than CC level.
    Apart from their glory years, how many times did the bulls end stone last in Super rugby?

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.09.17 09:48:32 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : True, but those side also have to come play here under 30 plus degrees sunshine. So even stevens. Yes they have missed the presence of a regular flyhallf, but it is an extraordinary circumstance, that required an extraordinary solution (Blommetjies).
    This was compounded by injuries to Nico Lee, which saw last years u21 inside centre Mgijima being used. It’s a crucial channel to have two rookies.

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.09.17 09:52:54 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 13) : Very wrong!
    Format is home and away fixtures against teams in the same conference. Then home or away (1 match per opponent) in the other conference, and three derby matches home and away vs Kings.

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.09.17 09:55:18 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @JD (Comment 10) : Doubt the Cheetahs or Kings will end last in Pro 14!

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.09.17 09:56:16 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 15) : Yes yellow cards killed the Cheetahs but after the 20th minute they were struggling on defense and line speed became non existent. Its tough for the small cheetahs guys to keep tackling those big ball carriers, and the UK teams ball retention is good. I think the Cheetahs had a good backline but obviously lacked a 10. Think the forwards are too light and soft though and thats where you win games up north. As you say i think som sides will find Bloem tough, especially in summer. As i said i do think the Cheetahs have more ability to perhaps compete than the Kings whose squad is very average.

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.09.17 10:04:09 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 14) : So the culling was to actually increase the number of pro franchises competing for the ever shrinking player corps available in SA.

    You go SARU, you good thing……NOT!!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.09.17 10:30:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : SARU not increasing the number of unions, just generating more income. Same amount of slices, just a bigger cake.

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.09.17 10:34:03 by McLovin Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) : The forwards matched the Ulster pack in the set pieces, but Coetzee is a cut above most players, and in tandem with Dessel they got lots of momentum.

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.09.17 10:36:02 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 18) : Do they play games in December, Jan and Feb? Bloem fans will probably be able to take in a live rugby game while also watching an international game of cricket on the same afternoon.

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.09.17 10:36:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 23) : Ok, so its not looking at 2 more pro franchises for a different league then?

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.09.17 10:37:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • They have SIX years guaranteed place in an international comp.

    That’s something the Kings have never had. But it will take time.

    Even Martin Anayi, Pro 14 head honcho, has said Kings will require a season or two to get things sorted.

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.09.17 10:39:17 by McLovin Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 24) : I must admit it was hard backing a team against another team that has Ludick, Coetzee and Deysel on their books. Marcel is looking great, Jean Deysel looks like he is getting back to form.

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.09.17 10:39:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : Paid for from the funds of said comp. And wont be ‘new’ franchises.

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.09.17 10:46:56 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : Are we talking about the same thing, @Baylion (Comment 14) : mentions< under correction, SARU punting 8 pro franchises, there are 6 at the moment so there will have to be 2 "new" franchises…..or am I missing something?

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.09.17 10:56:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : first lets talk about the Bulls:
    Going back to 2006 and the Start of the Super 14 they have never finished last in Super rugby.
    This is also the first year that the Cheetahs managed to finish above them on the log (since the Cats split in 2006).
    In fact in the 12 years since the start of the Super 14 the Bulls finished in the bottom half of the log only 4 times.
    During the same time the Cheetahs only managed to finish in the top half once (2013).
    Btw the Lions only managed to fininsh in the top half twice (2016 & 2017).
    Looking at the numbers I’m not really sure if a team that in 12 years can only once finish in the top half of the log can really demand to take part in higher competitions!?!?!?
    But don’t get me wrong I love the Cheetahs (a lot more than the Bulls) but the best thing for SA rugby would have been for them and the Kings to dissolve as Super rugby (Pro14 or what ever) franchises.

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.09.17 10:57:07 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 30) : 😆 Not sure. On a phone so in short. 4 in Super Rugby – Stormers, Sharks, Bulls, Lions. 2 in Pro 14 – Kings & Cheetahs. Leaves 2 sides, Kwasse and Pumas, from Currie Cup.

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.09.17 11:04:56 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 32) : Just an example. Point is they’re not going to create 2 new teams from scratch. We won’t all of a sudden see the Pofadder Pansies taking on the world. Or at least I hope not.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.09.17 11:18:19 by McLovin Reply

  • [email protected]KingCheetah (Comment 19) : So Kings play Cheetahs 3 times in Pro 14,shit talk about screwing every last bit of life out of a dead horse.
    Bet next years Super rugby will have Sharks,Bulls,Lions and Stormers going against each other three times as well.
    Don’t these guys understand the less us more principal.

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.09.17 11:18:31 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) : Yes, I am not a big Deysel fan, as he used to fumble the ball alot in contact, but him and Marcel were monsters during the encounter.

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.09.17 11:27:07 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @JD (Comment 31) : Dissolve into what? Where will the Sharks, Bulls, and Lions get all their players from?

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.09.17 11:28:37 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @JD (Comment 31) : Yes, very selective approach JD,
    Bulls in Super 12:
    ’97 Bulls 8th
    ’98 Bulls 11th
    ’99 Bulls 12th
    ’00 Bulls 11th
    ’01 Bulls 12th
    ’02 Bulls 12th

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.09.17 11:40:11 by KingCheetah Reply

  • Great discussion here.i was convinced that this Pro 14 to foray was going to be a disaster- now I’m a bit more optimistic.

    Thanks paricularly to King Cheetah, Baylion and Mclovin for sharing a different perspective.

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.09.17 11:40:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 34) : I think this is just for this year, don’t think it will be like that, going forward.

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.09.17 11:41:35 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 38) : Its new to us all BF, hope it benefits SA rugby in the long run.

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.09.17 11:42:40 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 37) : Apart for their winning years, they are gross underachievers considering their structures, players, sponsors etc,etc.

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.09.17 11:55:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 37) : nope not selective just compared when Cheetahs started as a franchise in Super rugby. Can’t use stats when Cheetahs did not even play in the tournament every year.

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.09.17 11:55:24 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 36) : Currie cup teams like Kwas and Pumas.

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.09.17 11:56:50 by JD Reply
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  • Pro 14 Format explained!
    The 14 teams will be split into two conferences of seven, each featuring two Welsh sides, two Irish, one Scot, one Italian and one South African outfit.
    Sides will play each other home and away in their own section and then the teams in the other group either home or away.

    There will also be two additional rounds of derby matches, ensuring Welsh and Irish sides will retain six derbies each, as is the case now.

    The Scottish, Italian and South African sides will play each other three times.
    That will give everyone 21 regular season fixtures, with every game carrying league points.

    The top three in each section will progress to end of season play-offs, which are to be extended to cover three weeks, with a quarter-final round ahead of semis and a grand final.

    The winners of each conference will go straight through to the semis, with the other sides meeting in the quarters to try and book spots in the last four.

    The top six will be joined by the fourth-placed team with most points in going through to the Champions Cup, with qualification now purely based on meritocracy.
    The Ospreys and Cardiff Blues are together in one section, along with last season’s beaten finalists Munster, Glasgow, Connacht, Zebre and the Toyota Cheetahs.

    Then in the other group, champions the Scarlets and the Dragons are joined by Leinster, Ulster, Edinburgh, Treviso and the Kings.

    If teams have two away games in South Africa, the idea is for them to play them back-to-back, staying out in the country for a week.

    To maintain competitive balance, the conferences will be reset each season based upon rankings from the previous campaign.
    Maybe from next year SA teams can qualify fir the EC

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.09.17 12:02:07 by KingCheetah Reply

  • The Cheetahs lack of success can be linked directly to their poor defence. The one year they sorted their defence out (2013) they made the play-offs. Last year they sorted out their defence in the Currie Cup and won it. If they can sort out their defence they can do well in Pro 14.

    The Kings, however, has a lot of work to do with a new squad. Pity the announcement came too late for them to keep the bulk of their Super Rugby squad

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.09.17 12:03:23 by Baylion Reply

  • @JD (Comment 42) : Wasnt comparing them to the Cheetahs, the Lions and Cheetahs played as the Cats back then. As Salmonoid points out. Given their resources ans player base they performed poorly for many years. Imagine how effective the Cheetahs could be with that kind of resources.

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.09.17 12:04:41 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @Baylion (Comment 45) : Yes defence and retaining their players. 2013 also coincided with them retaining the bulk of their squad. Think they only lost three players from 2012

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.09.17 12:06:05 by KingCheetah Reply

  • I wonder how many games the Cheetahs Boks will actually play for them in the Pro14? Surely they will miss majority of the comp every year.

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.09.17 12:11:10 by SheldonK Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 34) : As I understood it was only going to be the countries that has 2 teams in the competition that will have an extra derby added, the countries like Ireland and Wales which has 4 teams will play 2 derby matches each…if I understood it correctly?

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.09.17 12:11:47 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 38) : Going to require patience, especially this season. Hopefully it proves a success in the long term.

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.09.17 12:26:10 by McLovin Reply

  • @BarendL (Comment 49) : So sick of these contrived competitions why can’t they just have a everybody plays everybody once completion. Everything is manipulated by the T.V stations to squeeze maximum viewership out of the competition,why the fuck would anybody want to play another team 3 times in the same competition.
    The thing is so manipulated that its almost as farcical as the Mayweather /MacGregor WWF fight

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.09.17 14:06:38 by The hound Reply
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  • If we`re really so intent on ” making a good impression” up North, why don`t we just, urm ‘ Loan ‘ the Windhonde / Cheaters and Elephant / Kings a dozen or so players from other Currie Cup contenders like Province, Pumas, Bulls or Griquas?

    However, since a Shark Supporter came up with this brilliant idea, I insist that No Such Agreement be put in place before SARFU signs a contract stating Absolutely no Shark players will be considered before completion of the Currie Cup competition. 🙂

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.09.17 15:03:36 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : Money. Money. Money.

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.09.17 15:05:24 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 53) : Very short sighted view, the more games that are played the less interested the public become.

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.09.17 15:16:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 54) : As long as matches are competitive. It’s one sided contests that bore people. No money no players no tournament.

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.09.17 15:36:46 by McLovin Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 54) : Totally agree, seeing that the CC and SR viewership started dropping with all the derbies in one year,and now we still get this Supersport challenge,although I reckon they are not too interested on viewership,rather attendance at smaller grounds,but it still adds to the over saturation of derbies we see each year!

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.09.17 15:39:31 by BarendL Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 55) : Like the Lions’ semi final against the Hurricanes? Too much rugby being played I reckon, even more so now that we will be having rugby 365 a year with the Cheetahs and Kings, although I must be honest that I will probably be watching more of that than the dulled down S15 or the CC for that matter.

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.09.17 15:42:28 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 57) : Agree for the most part. Lost interest in the Currie Cup years ago.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.09.17 16:52:04 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 58) : not all that into it either but would still like to see Sharks win it!!!

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.09.17 22:30:34 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 7) :
    That’s quite a positive. The favorable time zones and fair number of SA stars in the competition should be good for viewership also.

    In theory the Cheetahs and Kings should be able to lure players away from the CC unions. Kanko for example could have opted to play for the Kings, rather than going to Japan every year.

  • Comment 60, posted at 06.09.17 03:32:21 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Another interesting point raised by Thinus Delport about the participation of the two SA teams, is that he noted that the European teams will lose players to their National teams. Which will also impact on their effectiveness.

  • Comment 61, posted at 06.09.17 07:22:19 by KingCheetah Reply

  • This is such a recipe to completely destroy South African rugby.our top players playing in two completely different leagues, under totally different conditions.,and playing in different seasons.Add in a weak and pointless domestic competition.
    Where does the future come from.
    We should get back to a strong Currie Cup which decides the top 4 unions which then go on to play in a strong and meaningful super 12,against the best 4 in Australia and the best 4 in New Zealand.
    Each year unions have to qualify in the domestic competition to play in the Super competition.
    No team should automatically qualify because of past records, and if we end up with Pumas,Griquas,etc representing us then so be it.

  • Comment 62, posted at 06.09.17 07:41:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : I am inclined to agree, or factor in some sort of promotion/relegation system.

  • Comment 63, posted at 06.09.17 08:14:43 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 62) : @KingCheetah (Comment 63) : 100% with you on having a strong Currie cup, but unfortunately it will remain a dream as the powers that be does not worry about what happens with the Currie cup as long as they can squish it in somewhere to sell broadcasting right and make more money.
    With Super rugby, June Internationals, Rugby Championship, End of Year Internationals and now the newly added Pro14 there will never be time to allow the teams to play with full power sides in the Currie cup!!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 06.09.17 08:57:09 by JD Reply
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  • this all happened very fast, cheetahs will be a serious challenger once they get settled next year, and have less cc commitments (less games in cc)

    Hopefully the kings age finally given the platform to build on their success of 2013 and 2017, and finally build a long term team.

  • Comment 65, posted at 06.09.17 17:27:59 by revolverocelot Reply


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