Sharks shocking in Canberra

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 17 Mar 2018 at 12:37
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The Sharks have failed to capitalise against a Brumbies side twice reduced to 14 men. The home side bossed the set piece, tackle point and penalty count to record a 24-17 victory.

The Sharks were scarcely in the game in the first half, knocking on or conceding penalties with monotonous regularity as the Brumbies bossed both territory and possession. The hosts scored the only try of the half and lead 10-0 right up until the break, with Robert du Preez finally pulling 3 back just before half time.

An unconverted try to Henry Speight just after the break added some comfort for the home side.

The Sharks finally managed to burrow over for a score after dominating possession in the 22, with Thomas du Toit coming up with the ball. At 15-10 behind, things weren’t looking too bad, but the Sharks then proceeded to implode, giving away three kickable penalties in quick succession, to trail 24-10 heading into the final ten minutes.

A great long-range try from Curwin Bosch and a good touchline conversion from Robert du Preez gave the visitors a sniff and a losing bonus point, but once again, the Sharks’ own indiscipline and mistakes, coupled with a below-par showing from the pack, have resulted in a loss of log-points against a bog-standard Australian outfit.

Brumbies (24): Tries Taliauli, Speight. Conversion Hawera. Penalties Hawera (4)
Sharks (17): Tries du Toit, Bosch. Conversions R du Preez (2). Penalty R du Preez.


  • Do away with this losing bonus point crap. We deserved squat out of this game but are rewarded with a log point. Thats just crazy and just now we will think that we actually did something in this game.

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.03.18 12:44:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 1) : Sad, but true. I was really optimistic that the Sharks might be the top SA team this season. Yet, even the Bulls and Stormers put up more inspiring performances thab us. Canes and Blues licking their lips…

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.03.18 12:46:32 by boertjie101 Reply

  • @boertjie101 (Comment 2) : More like a bye for them.

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.03.18 12:55:48 by coolfusion Reply

  • Time for a new coach methinks.
    I believe that Naka Drotske is available.

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.03.18 12:57:28 by Loosehead Reply

  • @Loosehead (Comment 4) : Even if he became the forwards Coach

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.03.18 12:58:57 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Loosehead (Comment 4) : Ohh my soul…… Seriously!!!!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.03.18 13:00:03 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 6) : It’s not a sign of agreeing with you by the way!!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.03.18 13:01:12 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • No leadership. No grunt. No balls. No cohesion. They don’t play like a team.

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.03.18 13:06:34 by Ben Reply
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  • How did Tank do at tighthead?

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.03.18 13:06:58 by Loosehead Reply

  • @boertjie101 (Comment 2) : We are certainly the worst SA team this year.

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.03.18 13:08:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Loosehead (Comment 9) : Awful. He’s a loosehead.

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.03.18 13:09:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 11) : And possibly a star loosehead.

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.03.18 13:13:14 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 8) :
    It looked today was the first time that they met.

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.03.18 13:14:01 by Loosehead Reply

  • Before the season started we heard all this talk from Muir and Du Preez of how the Sharks would run it this season and play exciting, attractive rugby.

    Well what a load of tosh that was. Box kicks, slow at every ruck, no front foot ball….

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.03.18 13:15:12 by Dustin Emslie Reply

  • @Dustin Emslie (Comment 14) : Don’t forget chip kicks in the opponent 22

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.03.18 13:16:38 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 15) : That smacks of low confidence and distrust.

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.03.18 13:18:49 by coolfusion Reply

  • I think Schreuder is also a massive problem. He is extremely average. Slow at the breakdowns, loves kicking, prone to basic errors.

    Wright has to start from now on.

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.03.18 13:19:44 by Dustin Emslie Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 16) : I’ve said it before, 15 individual players no matter how good they may be, cannot beat a team of 15 average players. We are not a team

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.03.18 13:22:50 by jdolivier Reply

  • @Dustin Emslie (Comment 17) : If you saw more capabilities in your pack you might not make those decisions. He may be a symptom not a cause. He started way better than he is now.

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.03.18 13:22:52 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Dustin Emslie (Comment 17) :
    Thing is, that is exactly how he was for the Stomps, so why would he be different at the Sharks?

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.03.18 13:24:08 by Loosehead Reply

  • @Loosehead (Comment 20) : Because he may be a confidence player. If he had the trust and confidence in his pack he may do great things. We’ve seen it in guys like jantjies.

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.03.18 13:27:44 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Loosehead (Comment 4) : Naka is a good coach, even though many here would beg to differ.

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.03.18 13:50:01 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 22) : I think he would do wonders for our forwards at the least.

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.03.18 14:02:15 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 23) : It just feels like there isn’t a firm hand on that rudder.

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.03.18 14:02:50 by coolfusion Reply

  • Well,fuck knows where we go from here. Three immensely difficult games to come.

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.03.18 14:38:41 by Dustin Emslie Reply

  • Look at the Stormers. Tons of players out yet they come flying out of the blocks.

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.03.18 15:09:05 by Dustin Emslie Reply

  • @Dustin Emslie (Comment 25) : The difficult games to come doesn’t matter anymore, our season is done and dusted. We needed a win today and we fucked up badly. On current evidence, we look like the worst SA team. Even the Bulls pulled one out of their asses against the Canes. The Stormers have a lot of injuries but when they get their personnel back they will do much better. The Lions already showed us that they are better than us earlier this season.

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.03.18 15:31:26 by Quintin Reply

  • Looks like we’re not even top 3 in SA never mind the series.

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.03.18 15:40:04 by coolfusion Reply

  • We are by far the weakest SA team. In fact, I would say we are the second weakest team in Super Rugby after the Sunwolves. At least the Lions, Bulls and Stormers are throwing the ball around and playing some exciting rugby. Sharks are way behind.

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.03.18 15:55:59 by Dustin Emslie Reply

  • How do the chops in charge keep pulling wool over supporters eyes with the – new brand, exciting running, blah blah fucking blah promises and then deliver shitall and keep their jobs. No bloody accountability, all they have to do is give some stupid excuse, make the promises all over again and it’s money as usual …… meh, I really am more angry at this result than I should be 😐

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.03.18 16:00:45 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

  • I said after the first game against the lions that Rob sr doesnt know what he’s doing. He’s probably worse than Fleck. He wont get the best out of this bunch of players which isn’t a bad bunch at all. Cant see him taking the sharks any where. The sharks management will probably feel to guilty to put the boot into a old sharky. Just sad to think what sharks rugby have become. Look how empty the shark tank is these days. I may sound negative but im really just dissapointed. Was hoping for a good competitive season.

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.03.18 16:33:02 by tigershark Reply

  • @tigershark (Comment 31) : Maybe if we had the man in your profile pic, he would boxing the coaching staff πŸ˜›

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.03.18 16:42:16 by Poisy Reply
  • @Poisy (Comment 32) : And Wilem Albert’s and Marcell. While were wishing.

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.03.18 16:55:59 by coolfusion Reply

  • To be honest it hasn’t been much different this entire season. The sunwolves game was just a false sense of security wasn’t it? Not being able to seal the deal with waratahs was a sign. So far our best game was against the lions and even that one we couldn’t win. The issues are far deeper than we lead ourselves to believe. We are not in the same league as any team that will make quarters. Unless there is a drastic change, I agree we can call this season a wash. It’s a shame because there is a lot of talent here.

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.03.18 17:04:01 by coolfusion Reply

  • @Loosehead (Comment 9) : didn’t think tank was too bad, look he didn’t dominate but he was against a test loose head who was doing him damdest to try and sack him in every scrum, if that was a tank doing the hard yards then I don’t mind. And before anyone says how good of a loose head he is he has said he want to be a tight head and if we all honest with ourselves he will only play the odd test at loosehead, SA has a lot of depth at tight head plus needing to find 50% black players come World Cup

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.03.18 17:14:51 by Tintin Reply

  • I just hate saying I told you so. But I told you so. We ARE always shite on tour in Australia and much better on tour in New Zealand. To me it points to the mental thing again…

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.03.18 18:08:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 36) : 18 wins out of 51 in NZ v 12 wins out of 38 in Oz. 😐

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.03.18 20:32:31 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 37) : πŸ˜• Fuck man give me some good info all I’m hearing and seeing each day is [email protected]Tintin (Comment 35) : Get you dude. After that 1st penalty he gave away, most went our way, on his side of the scrum too. Which kinda surprised me.

    @pastorshark (Comment 36) : So, by historic results, we should be doing better in the coming weeks? Can’t see that happening. (Not putting words in your mouth.)

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.03.18 20:59:30 by Quintin Reply

  • @Quintin (Comment 38) : Historic results suggests more of the same unfortunately.

    For some reason some people think that the Sharks have a good record against the Brumbies in Oz, yet they’ve only won 3 times in Canberra. Ever.

    Not a dig. Perhaps some folks just need to adjust their expectations.

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.03.18 21:06:00 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 39) : Yeah, like I never mentioned in our current events, and like I said I can’t see that happening, it will be just as it is, we can’t change much, and we probably never will.

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.03.18 21:44:28 by Quintin Reply

  • Hound, come on man we seeks [email protected]Quintin (Comment 40) : Waiting for the ban, didn’t happen?

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.03.18 21:52:48 by Quintin Reply

  • Few more Sunday ‘fun’ facts to brighten up the day.

    Away games against foreign oppo, Stormers and Sharks best of the Saffa bunch with a win percentage of 36 – 37%.

    Worst three NZ teams (Blues, Chiefs, Landers) all around the 41% mark.

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.03.18 10:47:39 by McLovin Reply

  • I think Rassie must be seriously worried. The levels of all the SA teams are really shocking this year. All the teams have spurts of fairly decent play with long periods of some real mediocrity in between. The decision making at crucial times have been shocking. Even the Lions who were streaks ahead of the rest of our teams last year look clueless at times this year.

    Worrying for the Sharks is that our forwards are getting moered at the breakdown and the set pieces (scrums are a serious problem, and even our lineout is not so flash this year) – so we hardly have any momentum or ball to play with. If we are going to continue without a real tight head, we better start adjusting our scrum tactics. The refs don’t blow collapsed scrums once the ball is out. It is really stupid to try and keep the ball in.

    Even teams like the Sunwolves are playing with a lot more intelligence than us.

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.03.18 12:50:11 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 39) : That was our “easy” game for the tour and we really played poorly. The Brumbies of 2018 is a shadow of the teams of the past.

    It is only going to get much worse from now on.

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.03.18 12:51:45 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) :

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.03.18 13:42:59 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 45) : My thinking too. You can rarely accuse an SA team of playing intelligent rugby. Sometimes I think SA should just turn to NFL – so all the players have to do is execute the coach’s next play – no thinking required.

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.03.18 14:10:14 by Bokhoring Reply
  • The Sharks are just disgusting to watch. There’s not even an element of urgency or commitment in anything they do. Forwards look very much uncoached. These just nothing there. Get rid of that forwards coach and get Jimmy Stonehouse. We will only keep Robert so that we keep his sons. Jimmy Stonehouse would make an awesome head coach. The boys would rock up well drilled. You can see that the Bulls for example are a side that is being coached. It is therefore easier for Bulls fans to accept losses cause they see real progress nothing this shit Robert puts us through year in year out. The players look at sea…. literally. One would be convinced that these guys only met for the first time.

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.03.18 15:57:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 37) : Yeah…but my point is 35% in New Zealand against the best opposition there is, is not a disgrace…whereas 32% in Australia against largely crap opposition is a disgrace. I recall numerous tours where we have all looked at the games in Aus and called them our “easy” tour games and we’ve gone and lost them. On that basis I was weary of the first game and not all that surprised we lost it. I think we have a mental issue – we too often don’t pitch for games we think will be easier…
    Having said all that, the Brumbies were better on Saturday than they’ve been all season…

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.03.18 19:30:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The fact that most of the forwards arent putting up much of a fight makes me think something is wrong with the whole coach-team relationship. Look at Ruan Botha for instance. He was playing some solid rugby last year and suddenly he’s become disinterested. Cant be that he has just become poor overnight. Maybe its not the coach, but sure looks like it to me. Once players start doubting a coaches ability and decision making they slack off and dont give 100 percent any more!

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.03.18 08:30:41 by tigershark Reply

  • Reading all the comments it seems everyone is feeling down.

    The Sharks execs need to get the fans back to the stadium, fix our rugby and get people supporting again. We need that passion back. I’ll admit I’ve lost some of my passion. I never used to miss a game, whether on tv or at the stadium. If I couldn’t watch live then I’d tape it. Now I’ll just check the results and watch the highlights if they happen to be on while I’m watching tv.

    I’ve got no idea what can be done, maybe more fan engagement and analysis of the issues fans identify is the way to go about things.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.03.18 08:50:22 by StevieS Reply
  • @StevieS (Comment 50) : The team needs to start winning more regularly, or at least go down fighting. At the moment many players look as disinterested as the fans.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.03.18 08:54:50 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @tigershark (Comment 49) : Which coach (es) are we talking about here – the scrum coach or the head coach.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.03.18 08:58:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : Fair point. We need the players to dazzle and create the next generation of fans.

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.03.18 09:12:48 by StevieS Reply
  • @StevieS (Comment 50) : @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : This is going to sound crazy but methinks that the Sharks should relocate to Pietermaritzburg. Give up Kings Park and the thought of Moses Mabida, upgrade Woodburn to a gem of a modern INTIMATE stadium with a maximium capacity of 15 – 20 000 seaters and let the team play their home games there. I cant imagine how disheartening it must to play in front of a half, or less full stadium. Get your loacal Maritzburg schools to play curtain raisers there and they will most likely already pull in a good portion of the crowd.

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.03.18 09:16:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • On the Thomas debate – Im no fatty and know close to squat about what goes on there (no I am not a tier1 professional referee) but I am interested in why some say Thomas was terrible because I saw a mostly steady scrum which was sometimes slightly dominant but never dominated. We were penalised a few times, twice I think for leaning / moving too early and the first scrum penalty when the scrum went down and the commentators even said it was a harsh penalty as both front rows went down simultaneously but that the scrum had been reset a few times and the ref had to ping someone (go figure that one out). Other than that the Brumbies scrum were racking up their own catalogue of scrum penalties against them.
    Dancing Bear, JD, Loskop help us out here.

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.03.18 09:33:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : A creative alternative, but they would never go for it. I agree with you, very sad to see an empty stadium πŸ˜•

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.03.18 09:40:56 by StevieS Reply
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : The Durban stadium apathy is not exclusive to the Sharks,I sat and watched a world class cricket test a few weeks ago in a near empty stadium in Durban,even on a day when there was a buy one ticket get one free deal.
    Durban people are notably apathetic, and it is so much easier on a warm afternoon to watch the game at home with a few beers.
    Durban people still watch and support the Sharks with a passion, just not in the stadium.
    If the powers to be don’t start to reinvent match day it is gone to dies I have said here before match day at K.P is exactly the same as it was in 1995.
    To todays kids, match day at K.P is something your parents do,and anyone with a rudimentary understanding of marketing understands that that is the kiss of death for any brand .

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.03.18 09:54:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : Agreed. Theres only one way to get people back at the stadium. And thats through winning. The sharks never put an effort in at home ground anymore. Losses and draws against weak teams at home has become a regular affair. Who wants to fly or drive down for that nonsense. But ill say it again. I believe it starts with the head coach. Im not doubting his commitment or passion for sharks rugby but his experience and ability to get the team firing and motivated week in and week out.

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.03.18 09:58:33 by tigershark Reply

  • So we have radio silence from the Sharks camp. It seems to me(no inside knowledge or factual basis, just a view) that the squad isn’t a happy and committed one. You have to question the wisdom of the head coach coaching three of his sons and what impact that has on the other players.

    What ever the reason we are really not very good and this has to change. someone mentioned Stonehouse and that is not the worst idea because we don’t really have the money for a known top quality coach sadly.

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.03.18 10:17:45 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @StevieS (Comment 50) : the thing that stings most is that it is significantly cheaper to pay per game than buy a season ticket. That’s a slap in the face for loyalty. My two gold zone tickets cost nearly 6K and that covers 12 games including currie cup and a test against Argentina.

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.03.18 10:22:25 by Byron Wright Reply

  • The competition is now in full swing, and we are yet to see any consistency. It feels like another infuriating “also-ran” season.
    The team is not clicking, and the leadership shown on the field is worrying, the decision making is worrying, the execution and ball-retention is shocking. This is not looking good, we are always our own worst enemy on the field. Teams not beat us, we beat ourselves and allow the other teams to stay in the game. We will fall by the wayside very quickly if we don’t turn this season around.

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.03.18 10:31:08 by Richard Reply

  • Lack of leadership has been a massive problem so far. Botha goes missing far too often and doesn’t seem to have the ability to lead from the front or galvanize the troops.

    Also, other experienced players such as Daniel and Mvovo have made average starts to the season.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.03.18 11:11:00 by Dustin Emslie Reply

  • IMHO,we have to use horses for courses. Firstly, what happened to Beast? Why do we persist with kicking good ball away? Schreuder is no Ruan Pienaar, but he is taking instruction to kick and not using his head. Look what happened to Andries Coetzee in the Sunwolves game when he kicked. Kockett (even Ross Cronje)come back all is forgiven! πŸ˜† :mrgreen: Is ball retention and going forward, not the name of the game? I believe Keegan (or Phillip)should be leader of the team (I looked at everyone else and no-one jumped out). Akkers is playing his heart out as well. Is Dick Muir involved at all with the coaching? All these questions which methinks are rhetorical. ❓

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.03.18 11:22:48 by markm Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 57) : Sad state of affairs. There was a time when I would watch European rugby and look on at their stadiums with sympathy, so small but filled to capacity all the time. I know look on at those same stadia with envy – they are still full, their fans just as passionate.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.03.18 11:47:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 59) : I can see how this could be a problem to some but in reality these are all big boys now and if they feel that way then it is not going to help sitting around moping and poisoning the environment, its then up to those to show up the situation for what it is and that is by playing better than anyone of those Du Preez boys. Put up or shut up as they say. Personally I dont believe that there are any in the team that are so weak willed that they are stymied by having the Du Preez’s as team mates, if they were mediocre players yes but these 3 arent your run of the mill good players they are a better than that.

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.03.18 12:10:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Gutted really gutted. I have no words. Luckily I worked and didn’t see that crap display.

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.03.18 12:17:27 by osbal Reply

  • Lots has been said in preseason from the Sharks but mot much is being backed up on the field. In none of the games has our scrum, handling, tackling and continuity been any better than your average school boy 1st team. In fact ive seen quite a few school sides better well drilled than the Sharks. We genuinely look incredibly uncomfortable trying to pass the ball to each other and maintain possession.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.03.18 12:22:59 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 65) : I rate all three Du Preez boys highly but I don’t know if the team culture/dynamic is right with the most obvious reason being the inclusion of the coaches boys. I dont’ for example rate Dan above PvDV but it was PvDV who had to shift to 6 to get game time which meant there was no spot for Keegan last year. Bosch who is also highly rated now gets the boot to 15 to accommodate Rdp, I would have made the same call but it is not so straight forward when they the coaches sons. When available has any one been left out?

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.03.18 13:02:37 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : ESPN stats shows Sharks with 6 from 9 scrums vs Brumbies with 8 from 9 scrums.

    Although I am sure the Brumbies conceded 2 scrum penalties, and it not all our penalties was against Thomas

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.03.18 13:03:47 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Byron Wright (Comment 68) : I think you mean PvW

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.03.18 13:10:00 by KingCheetah Reply

  • Our pack is weak. Besides the scrum issues. there is no grunt. Our locks are incognito. The loose trio is totally ineffective. Add Schreuder to the mix and it’s no wonder we look like plonkers. At least Akker was a flash of hope and DuP got some go-forward when he came on.

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.03.18 13:14:46 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 60) : that is shocking! It should be the cheaper option!

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.03.18 13:37:11 by StevieS Reply
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 70) : You are correct sorry

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.03.18 09:11:09 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : BTW this is Mallett’s take on Thomas:

    On the scrumming issue, Thomas du Toit [having moved from loosehead prop] is a tall tighthead. What he has to do is get his optimum scrumming position right. His feet are very far back. So he has his feet back, his hips are in front of his feet and his shoulders are a long way in front of his hips.

    ‘So when he loses balance, he goes in and down. When he goes forward, he doesn’t maintain his shape, he goes in and up. The moment you go up, you allow the loosehead to get below you and come back for the second shove.

    ‘His technique needs a lot of work. A tighthead has to maintain his shape. If he wants to be an international tighthead, it is something he has to learn.’

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.03.18 10:12:56 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 74) : I also noticed his feet were very far back on the weekend and hence no balance. Ruan Dreyer does the same thing and well we all know what he does, although he does seem to be trying to fix that this year. DuToit has for a long time just relied on his size at scrumtime. Wilco Louw exposed him badly when he was at loosehead as have other props with good technique. He needs to buckle down and work hard and i still believe he needs to drop kgs.

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.03.18 12:08:36 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : I am no scrum expert, but in my mind Thomas should be Beast’s deputy at LH.

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.03.18 13:01:20 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 69) : I seem to remember us being pinged at least 4 times, once early on and 3 latish in the 2nd half. Brumbies definately were pinged more than once.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.03.18 13:24:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 74) : And when you read that it sounds about right.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.03.18 13:28:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 76) : Um yes and no. Yes he probably should be Beast deputy. But no that wont solve DuToit technique issues, even at loosehead he had big technique issues but does get away with it a bit more due to his size and tightheads finding it tougher to pop him, but as we saw with Louw…a good tighthead would still cause him a lot of problems. For me he needs to work on basic technique which doesnt matter which side he scrums on.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.03.18 14:05:45 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : I believe it is much harder for a tall prop to move from LH to TH. I’m short, and when I played TH, it was very difficult for a LH to get under me, and if he did, his feet were back and I could just drop him. Sheldon is absolutely right, Thomas has very poor technique on both sides of the scrum. He clearly has been able to rely on raw strength up to now, but he has to work on his technique.

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.03.18 19:56:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 80) : Just to build on your comment, i hate to say it but DuToit is a prime example of the problems stemming from our school boy and junior rugby where bigger guys are left to their own devices as they dominate on pure size without technique. This however catches up with them in professional rugby and they have to start the learning process again and as such they then fall way behind guys who they previously dominated but who now have a solid technique and have gained strength. I say it again, DuToit needs to work on technique and drop kgs if he wants to be quality prop pushing for Bok colours…those facts dont change no matter which side of the scrum he props

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.03.18 08:35:25 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 80) : I assume Jaco Pienaar coaches our set piece? If it is true that Rassie has requested Thomas moving, then we should ask for the French Pieter to come and assist Thomas.

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.03.18 09:18:45 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 80) : Thank you for that clarification.

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.03.18 10:25:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 82) : I have thought about that a few times and even started writing comments about it but then didnt bother to post them because I would assume that its a given that French PDivvy is spending time with Thomas and assisting him and Jaco Pienaar. If not then the Sharks should demand that it happens.

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.03.18 10:28:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 82) : Yeh Jaco Pienaar is the forwards coach which incorporates the set piece. From my understanding the move to TH was in consultation with the Bok management and an agreement was made that would be in the best long term solution for all of the player, the sharks and the Boks

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.03.18 11:31:32 by SheldonK Reply


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