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Quarter Final: Sharks vs Crusaders


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Super Rugby on 21 Jul 2018 at 08:09

Rugby is a game that is made up of a number of mini-battles over 80-90 minutes. So how do the Sharks and Crusaders compare over the 2018 season?

I compiled some statistics courtesy of Sanzar Rugby and Fox Sports:

Sharks Crusaders
League Games won 7 14
Points Difference -5 247
Tries 49 77
Clean Breaks 203 205
Tackle Busts 390 417
Carries 1 689 1 831
Metres Carried 6 560 7 275
Defenders Beaten 366 359
Tackles won (%) 85.5 85
Tackles made 1 978 1 939
Run Metres Conceded 10 834 9 444
Advantage Line Conceded (%) 55.1 57.6
Line Breaks Conceded 113 91
Tries Conceded 57 39
Lineouts won (%) 87.6 86.9
Offloads 195 139
Scrums won (%) 88 92
Yellow Cards 7 9
Penalties Conceded 140 147
Handling Errors 186 172
Turnovers Conceded 261 248
Kicks 328 274
Kick Metres 9 989 7 291

It is clear that the Crusaders dominate in the results section – otherwise they would not have ended up top of the log after 16 games. However there is hope for the Sharks as they are competitive in some areas of the game. Given how often the Sharks are on the losing end of the possession battle, it is surprising to see that they shade the Crusaders in Defenders Beaten and almost match them in Clean Breaks. They will have to cut down on Errors and Turnovers Conceded if they want any say in today’s game.


207 Comments

  • This game is their Kobayashi Maru, a rigged test with no less than three exuberant kayways officiating. How do you as a Sharks team rock the confidence of the saders? That will be the only way to give them any hope really. I have a concern about the BMT of Bosch and suspect that the saders will target him big time.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.07.18 08:21:41 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Telling stats are: Wins, points diff, tries for and against.

    However, stats schmats.

    Sharks by plenty.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.07.18 08:35:18 by McLovin Reply

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  • There once was a team called the Sharks
    Everyone thought they would carks.

    They played the kiwi.
    Made them wee-wee

    And marched on to Ellis Parks

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.07.18 08:47:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 3) : Respect

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.07.18 08:59:42 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @SeanJeff (Comment 1) : Play-off rugby is a beast of a different kind. If all 23 players have a blinder, we can do this. Just unsure of which sharks team rocks up today

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.07.18 09:25:46 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Thought I heard the crowd boo the Sharks as they entered. Scum.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.07.18 09:36:04 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • The good thing about watching this game is zero expectation of a win, so can simply enjoy it.

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.07.18 09:36:19 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 7) : Enjoy isn’t the word that leaps to mind

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.07.18 09:38:12 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Du Preez twins just can’t seem to shake the butterfingers issue

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.07.18 09:38:24 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 8) : You must harbour a shred of hope then? 😀

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.07.18 09:39:28 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 9) : You would think with those massive hands it would be impossible to drop the ball

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.07.18 09:39:37 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • If we can’t scrum them back, it might get difficult

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.07.18 09:41:13 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • So we go from attacking in their 22, conceding a scrum penalty to defending on our 10m because Dan can’t keep the ball in contact. He’ll have to work on that the whole off-season.

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.07.18 09:42:16 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 13) : Both of the brothers have had this problem for years now. It goes away for periods but keeps raising its head.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.07.18 09:44:40 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Touch judge is really optimistic on the saders kicking distance

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.07.18 09:44:52 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Well the slaughter has commensed, thanks to a skew line out to start it

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.07.18 09:46:19 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Great tackle André 🙄

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.07.18 09:46:29 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Screw the win now I would just like to see us score some points

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.07.18 09:47:11 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Men vs boys. 🙄

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.07.18 09:48:40 by Ben Reply
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  • And the gates open…

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.07.18 09:48:49 by Quintin Reply

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  • First 100 points in a superrugby game??????

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.07.18 09:49:12 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • 3 errors = 3 scores

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.07.18 09:49:25 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 22) : More like 23 errors……

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.07.18 09:49:52 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Massive neck roll on Dan, not noticed

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.07.18 09:53:07 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Rob strikes again. Oi vey

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.07.18 09:54:00 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 24) : Early scrumming also

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.07.18 09:54:01 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Sharks set pieces are woeful

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.07.18 09:55:04 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Well glad to see he can spot our skew line outs………………

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.07.18 09:55:34 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Just pack up and fuck off home right know to save everyone embarrassment, including the Crusaders. FFS van der Walt!

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.07.18 09:56:12 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Our forwards were awesome at the start of the season now they couldn’t catch a std in a brothel

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.07.18 09:58:37 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Hang in there and fight, hold your heads high.

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.07.18 09:59:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Even the commentators are pointing out that the saders are getting away with a lot of things

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.07.18 10:01:19 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Pathetic attempt at a set move from the lineout.

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.07.18 10:01:26 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Sharks have saved the worst for last. At this point I’m just hoping for some points. Any points.

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.07.18 10:03:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Kobus van wyk is our most underrated player

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.07.18 10:03:26 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Eventually. Now let’s see if we switch off or kick on.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.07.18 10:05:20 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 35) : What I have been saying since started of the season. Mapimpi a great finisher but van wyk has skills on all levels.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.07.18 10:05:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 37) : And buckets off work ethic and commitment

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.07.18 10:06:00 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 29) : Not his fault there were so many options in between. That long skip was stupid and risky.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.07.18 10:06:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Pass Am!!!!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.07.18 10:07:17 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 39) : Still should catch the ball. Don’t see Read dropping those.

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.07.18 10:08:08 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • How does the ref say leave the ball, they turn it over and all is fine

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.07.18 10:10:08 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Second ball lost in the maul

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.07.18 10:10:18 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 42) : He was talking to us

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.07.18 10:10:56 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 44) : Fair enough, our set pieces are being demolished, major concern

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.07.18 10:12:38 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Dan du Preez just cannot handle a ball at all. I would rather have played Keegan if he were still available. His two brothers outshining him by far.

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.07.18 10:12:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Lucky escape!

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.07.18 10:13:08 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 45) : Something we haven’t managed to fix all season

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.07.18 10:15:07 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Bosch just handing over possession

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.07.18 10:16:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Crusaders defensive line is miles offsides just about ruck

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.07.18 10:18:05 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • 16-7 at half time

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.07.18 10:20:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : Not bad. Expected 46 – 0

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.07.18 10:20:49 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Sharks have realise early that possession is the only thing that can save them. No more kicking.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.07.18 10:21:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Handling of our loose forwards just not up to scratch.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.07.18 10:21:22 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 52) : I said 30 by half.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.07.18 10:21:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 50) : All kiwi panel of officials not going to change, we can beat them just need to hold on to the ball. And please do not pass to Dan, he should be wearing a saders shirt

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.07.18 10:22:33 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @jdolivier (Comment 56) : He should be carrying the water. I would rather have vd Walt at eight bring in another flanker

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.07.18 10:23:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 57) : 1000% in agreement, how I miss the impact of Marcel Coetzee

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.07.18 10:24:56 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Saders don’t look unbeatable, but sharks need to step up.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.07.18 10:25:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Has can Wyk packed on some upper body?

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.07.18 10:26:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 60) : He has always been a big winger

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.07.18 10:27:27 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @coolfusion (Comment 57) : Agree. van der Walt to eight, Andrews to lock and Paul to the side.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.07.18 10:27:58 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 61) : Ja but looked leaner

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.07.18 10:28:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 62) : And some Wright decision making

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.07.18 10:29:33 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @coolfusion (Comment 63) : Bunny chows from the bluff making an impact

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.07.18 10:30:03 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @jdolivier (Comment 65) : Or the married life…

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.07.18 10:30:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : Also very possible

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.07.18 10:30:52 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • If we didn’t make the school boy errors thats been bugging us the whole season we might have been closer on the scoareboard. The guys can play but they fuckup spectacularly with rookie errors.

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.07.18 10:30:56 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 68) : The joys of being a sharks supporter

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.07.18 10:31:21 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : If he has put on muscle it has impacted his speed. Might be a good strategy, although I can’t complain about his defense ever.

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.07.18 10:31:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 68) : Agree some choice opportunity left begging.

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.07.18 10:32:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Mounga is having a very good game.

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.07.18 10:34:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Forward pass on the last pass perhaps

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.07.18 10:35:08 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Absolutely kak defence!

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.07.18 10:35:17 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Refs dont understand the ruck laws

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 74) : Agreed. Dan in good position to stop that move and rip. He is no Jean luc…

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.07.18 10:36:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • That was a ruck you idiot ref!!

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.07.18 10:37:27 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • They are schooling our forwards big time.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.07.18 10:37:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • 23-10

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.07.18 10:39:43 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Kicking when we have nothing to lose by going for try? We need the all the nothing hunger.

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.07.18 10:40:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Got to love Kiwi commentators. “Interesting call to take the 3. Must be to get the score to 23 – 10”.

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.07.18 10:40:53 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • These grubbers are not working

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.07.18 10:41:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 81) : Senseless commentry. thanks

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.07.18 10:41:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Pass am ffs!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.07.18 10:41:46 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • I don’t know what you guys think but we look like we can score we just need to drop the errors..

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.07.18 10:42:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Bosch just can’t seem to get the stupid kicks into opponents’ legs out of his game.

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.07.18 10:43:32 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • So much gap midfield and to the right….and go left..

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.07.18 10:44:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 84) : Am’s game has gone backwards since a became a Bok

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.07.18 10:45:07 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • What knock by white ref????

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.07.18 10:45:44 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Sharks not reading the field well.

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.07.18 10:45:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Another mystery knockon

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.07.18 10:46:55 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 91) : Another kiwi ref……….

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.07.18 10:47:36 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Saders knocked not us!

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.07.18 10:47:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Jeez, so many missed tackles

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.07.18 10:47:41 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Peyper doesn’t seem so shit after this performance by the officials

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.07.18 10:48:08 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @coolfusion (Comment 93) : Nah it was in his face … Right call

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.07.18 10:48:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • And now you take van Wyk off?

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.07.18 10:49:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Botha gives away some idiotic penalties

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.07.18 10:50:26 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @coolfusion</,@coolfusion (Comment 96) : tell me how it went forward off white? Ball may have hit white but it still went backwards

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.07.18 10:50:47 by byron Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 98) : Might be a tactic to get it up to 26 10…?

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.07.18 10:51:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 99) : You are talking about a previous knock. I agree that play you refer to went backward off sharks player.

  • Comment 101, posted at 21.07.18 10:52:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Sharks manage to keep the ball for a few phases but dont really manage anything for it

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 100) : 😆

  • Comment 103, posted at 21.07.18 10:54:20 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Geez how offside are the crusaders

  • Comment 104, posted at 21.07.18 10:54:21 by byron Reply

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  • Wow free for all for the saders at the rucks, and absolutely no offsides if you’re wearing red

  • Comment 105, posted at 21.07.18 10:54:22 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 102) : And turn the ball easy as pie.

  • Comment 106, posted at 21.07.18 10:54:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 104) : All game

  • Comment 107, posted at 21.07.18 10:54:48 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • And that was hands in the ruck

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 105) : Same issue as Botha’s earlier penalty

  • Comment 109, posted at 21.07.18 10:55:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Yes put chilli on and and take beast out we don’t need our best side on..

  • Comment 110, posted at 21.07.18 10:55:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • When kiwi commentators complain about the ref you know he is a dick

  • Comment 111, posted at 21.07.18 10:56:15 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Even the Kiwis are calling the shit decisions by Fraser

  • Comment 112, posted at 21.07.18 10:56:37 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 112) : Multiple times thus half

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.07.18 10:56:54 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Coach is grasping at straws hoping for impact from weaker players?

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.07.18 10:57:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I joking posted about Frazier being the crusaders 24 man but geez he’s trying for the motm

  • Comment 115, posted at 21.07.18 10:57:18 by byron Reply

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  • Ref is kak but can anybody catch a ball?

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 116) : That would be a big no

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.07.18 10:58:58 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 116) : Nope. We lose all the critical moments when we need to posess…..

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.07.18 10:59:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • How pathetic has our loose trio been tonight

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.07.18 10:59:57 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Less time in the gym and more handling skills please

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  • Sorry but being this kak won’t help, even if the ref’s blatantly on your side.

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.07.18 11:00:20 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Another spill at a critical time…look guys we just don’t have the skills and composure….this game must belong to saders. Really.

  • Comment 122, posted at 21.07.18 11:01:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • These guys know how to manipulate a defense.

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.07.18 11:01:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 123) : Something, which we’re clueless at

  • Comment 124, posted at 21.07.18 11:03:13 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 122) : And Fraser he has made 4 decisions that really took away momentum, the saders are brilliant but those little moments changes outcomes

  • Comment 125, posted at 21.07.18 11:03:16 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Kak tackling, no ball handling skills no nothing. We killed ourselves. Sad thing is it looked winnable if the right team showed up….

  • Comment 126, posted at 21.07.18 11:04:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Foward

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 125) : But being heavier on the board would overcome that…we make a bad position even worse and it becomes insurmountable…

  • Comment 128, posted at 21.07.18 11:05:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • School boy errors from a supposedly professional team blew our chances in the 1st 20mins. We were never in the game to begin with.

  • Comment 129, posted at 21.07.18 11:05:52 by Quintin Reply

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  • Ok I’m done Saders just having a run now I’m not interested in watching that. At least we had some points…..

  • Comment 130, posted at 21.07.18 11:06:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 126) : The one with the guts of 2014 would have been nice

  • Comment 131, posted at 21.07.18 11:08:23 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 130) : Not even taken on the fucking mark absolute shit show from the fucking useless officials, we didn’t look like winning but seriously how is this bullshit allowed. Piss poor management from sanzaar again. And Ruan I wish I had a fucking spine Botha can’t communicate with the ref, AGAIN

  • Comment 132, posted at 21.07.18 11:08:57 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • It is all about the little battles and the Crusaders are winning all of those. Their exit ends up in our half and ours just ourside the 22

  • Comment 133, posted at 21.07.18 11:09:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I can’t help thinking that the Rebels would have done a better job. We’re just about the quality of a team, which snuck in the back door with some luck.

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  • Keystone cops vs the FBI

  • Comment 135, posted at 21.07.18 11:11:56 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 134) : Not even a national team would gain traction against Fraser

  • Comment 136, posted at 21.07.18 11:12:12 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @jdolivier (Comment 136) : Especially if they can’t catch or pass

  • Comment 137, posted at 21.07.18 11:14:27 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Just put Dan down he is really the worst 8th man in south Africa

  • Comment 138, posted at 21.07.18 11:14:42 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 137) : So shopping list time, this squad just can’t perform. New loose trio, New front row and a coaching staff that can teach basic skills

  • Comment 139, posted at 21.07.18 11:16:07 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • A Currie Cup quality side will never beat the AB’s

  • Comment 140, posted at 21.07.18 11:16:42 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Hope Ruan has the fucking balls to call Fraser out, this shit will continue forever unless someone addresses the problem. We never looked like winning, the result was a given but seriously how often do the kiwi teams get the favorable refs

  • Comment 141, posted at 21.07.18 11:18:35 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @jdolivier (Comment 139) : Fuck that. I’m just about ready to stop watching SA rugby and just supporting a Premiership or EC Cup team.

  • Comment 142, posted at 21.07.18 11:19:07 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I am so tired about South Africans going on about all our talent. This quote from Didier Deschamps I really agree with:

    “Talent doesn’t exist in young players. Talent is something that you are able to show at a high level over a period of time. We’re talking about consistency, that’s talent. Talent has to be confirmed. It’s the confirmation of potential. It’s getting to the top and maintaining that level over a period of time’

  • Comment 143, posted at 21.07.18 11:19:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 143) : South African coaches would be able to make Bauden Barret look average

  • Comment 144, posted at 21.07.18 11:20:29 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 140) : You will struggle to beat a franchise that understands what is needed to win at this level – having a great system in place that everyone buys into. As opposed to the chaos in SA rugby where we have coach after coach – all starting from scratch – not building on the previous ones work.

  • Comment 145, posted at 21.07.18 11:23:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 92) : In fairness you complain about all refs 👿

  • Comment 146, posted at 21.07.18 11:23:47 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 144) : It is not the coaches who cannot fucking catch the ball – players need to take some responsibility too.

  • Comment 147, posted at 21.07.18 11:24:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 144) : But yeah – you need good coaches to turn potential into talent. We have a lot of players with potential, but it rarely develops into talent.

  • Comment 148, posted at 21.07.18 11:26:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Coming back to the gist of the article. That is the joy of stats comparisons, it doesn’t take into account the relative quality if opposition faced. On the basis of the stats, the Sharks should have had a statistical chance, reality is that they never stood a chance!! They have been woefully inconsistent, and a handful of performers have carried them through. Coenie’s loss was huge in context.

  • Comment 149, posted at 21.07.18 11:26:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Gentlemen, even if everything is stacked against us, we return and support this team. Even old mclovin takes joy in the sharks. The main problem staring at us down the barrel of a gun is plain and simple. Our coaching staff have a slight level of nepotism, fly half and 8th man have been erratic at best this season, yet they remain. Our skill level has decreased during this season, with that our scrum got schooled by the “weakest” scrum in NZ. I, personally get too emotionally involved with the results, too a fault. But rebuilding for 5 years also is not an excuse, so something has got to give. Rob snr owes us a plan going forward, what are we doing to improve, which players are being assisted in improving. And finally the players, man up and apologize for being the most inconsistent team in world rugby. That’s my rant, see you again for currie cup. Apologies to the ones offended and thanks to the ones that support here each week

  • Comment 150, posted at 21.07.18 11:27:37 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 146) : Your thoughts on VD Walt knocking on 6 or 7 balls?
    Dan dropped 2,

  • Comment 151, posted at 21.07.18 11:27:39 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 146) : Except Angus Gardner.

  • Comment 152, posted at 21.07.18 11:27:59 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @jdolivier (Comment 150) : We will all be back for CC lol except Rob 😆 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 153, posted at 21.07.18 11:28:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 147) : If you don’t practice catching the balls in contact, you will struggle to catch them in contact

  • Comment 154, posted at 21.07.18 11:29:14 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 143) : Most talent is about what is between your ears. our players lack in that department.

  • Comment 155, posted at 21.07.18 11:30:16 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 148) : How good did mapimpi look at the cheetahs and how average has he been at the sharks. Coaching definitely makes an impact on a players confidence and abilities. A comrades runner doesn’t start training the week of the race, it takes time and effort with commitment.

  • Comment 156, posted at 21.07.18 11:32:05 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • At least we put SOME points on the board…Go Lions!

  • Comment 157, posted at 21.07.18 11:32:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 150) : I do think Rob has had one of his better games of the season. Another standout Shark for me was Tyler Paul

  • Comment 158, posted at 21.07.18 11:36:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 151) : Not sure bud. Maybe the confidence in the team itself is not as high as one would hope. He used to be pretty good in his ball handling.

  • Comment 159, posted at 21.07.18 11:38:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 158) : Rob jnr is fantastic when the pack does well, kind of dissappears when they struggle. Paul was great today, akker tried really hard hyron andrews gave his all, both scrumhalves really tried. What is disappointing is that our backline cannot play together there is no cohesion or fluidity between them, they’re not part of a team. Hopefully we commit to louw and van wyk. They really bleed for the team and do not get rewarded for their efforts.

  • Comment 160, posted at 21.07.18 11:41:12 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 159) : The amount of players that joined from the cheetahs that lost form, as well as the ones that left to the cheetahs and magically found form makes you wonder what is wrong in Durban. Mapimpi being the obvious example.

  • Comment 161, posted at 21.07.18 11:46:39 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 143) : Very true

  • Comment 162, posted at 21.07.18 11:50:36 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 161) : A guy like Mapimpi in Kiwi hands would be a superstar.

  • Comment 163, posted at 21.07.18 11:51:24 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 163) : Mapimpi, Ben 10, akker, van wyk, louw and Esterhuizen would be amazing under kiwi influence.

  • Comment 164, posted at 21.07.18 11:54:20 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Well that was embarrassing. I’m afraid Rob Jr was nowhere, Curwin hardly ran, Akker was poor, Chiliboy not better, Am looked like he was trying.

  • Comment 165, posted at 21.07.18 11:55:03 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 165) : Curwin is not a superrugby quality fullback, he holds his own at fly half, but we need a Louis ludik type player for defence and commitment under the high ball. Nkosi was really missed tonight

  • Comment 166, posted at 21.07.18 12:06:32 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • Watching the landers tahs game, the level of skill for all 30 players is just leaps and bounds ahead of SA teams. We as a country are in serious trouble if we do not get back to basics

  • Comment 167, posted at 21.07.18 12:25:17 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @KingCheetah (Comment 149) : The problem is that line breaks (+) coupled with poor handling (-) / decision making (-) after the breaks leads to no results (-) on the board.

  • Comment 168, posted at 21.07.18 12:30:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I reckon old McLovin is in ecstasy with both the score and the refs performance.

  • Comment 169, posted at 21.07.18 12:50:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Lions looking good so far

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  • Old Mclovin is lovin the Lions’ play at the moment. 😀

  • Comment 171, posted at 21.07.18 15:37:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • Lions gone to sleep.

  • Comment 172, posted at 21.07.18 16:10:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • Marx is a monster at the breakdown.

  • Comment 173, posted at 21.07.18 16:34:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Not a regular poster; so please bear with me:

    The falling rand has forced many unions to allow their front line players to play in the off-season (read currie cup) overseas and hoping that when they return (which is usually after the SR has started) to hit the gorund running. Sharks have proved (in the last 3-4 seasons) that it cannot work this way.

    We have to be brave and make a ground breaking decision which IMO would be to contract 25 – 30 players (mostly jnrs) for the next 4 years so that we can get some type of continuity starting from the CC going into the SR. This has been the success of the Lions i.e continuity and they will realise this come next season.

    Off course the whole process will probably have to be repeated by the end of the 4th season (as most players will go to greener pastures) but i just cannot see in other way to create continuity.

  • Comment 174, posted at 21.07.18 18:23:33 by dawj Reply

     
  • @jdolivier (Comment 161) : Difficult to judge. Different environments.

  • Comment 175, posted at 21.07.18 19:00:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • This disrespect to the fans and the Sharks brand by the team and team management is what killed Rob’s joy. Beast’s 150th and they didn’t look like they were there mentally, or with purpose. The management had a plan and I fail to see how it is working. Since 2016, Sharks have finished 8th, so that’s 3 years in a row but their wins in pool seasons have decreased along with point differentials in that time. We’re regressing. The plan isn’t working, new plan needed.

  • Comment 176, posted at 23.07.18 07:57:29 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Not a good game to watch. Shocking officials make rugby very frustrating and when the sharks play like that its very difficult to see why I keep watching at all.

    I would like to see a new head coach brought in and Phillip made captain. Ruan has done his best but I think Lewies when fit is a better lock to pair with Paul.

    We can try convert Vermuelen to an opensider, we may solve some of our issues and help his career as well. Dan can play off the bench behind Phillip.

    We could use some betters players as well(a lock, openside flank and flyhalf) but with the lack of money in the SA game we may need to work with what we have.

    All in all another poor season for sharks fans. Gary Teighmann must show whether we are a professional sports team or a old boys club.

  • Comment 177, posted at 23.07.18 08:41:11 by Byron Wright Reply

     
  • @jdolivier (Comment 161) : Yes, and we can’t even claim, that Mapimpi was overplayed, as they rested him for almost a month. The mind boggles. I can understand the supporters frustration, as even I, as a neutral thought the Sharks had the squad to do well this year.

  • Comment 178, posted at 23.07.18 09:31:51 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 164) : See the Cheetahs have used Ben10 quite a bit at 13, during the SRC. Wonder if he will be used as more of an utility player?

  • Comment 179, posted at 23.07.18 09:33:50 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 175) : What is the officiating like in Pro14 – Im so gatvol of the crap we have to live with in SupeRugby. Watching rugby is not fun anymore.

  • Comment 180, posted at 23.07.18 10:27:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) : 100% agree. The shocking refereeing along with the idiotic format of the competition has almost put me off to watching SR altogether and I’m clearly not the only one if you look at the attendances/viewership figures alone. Even the Saders small stadium was empty on the side stands for a QF.

  • Comment 181, posted at 23.07.18 10:34:44 by Quintin Reply

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  • Trust me the ref didnt cost the Sharks this game. Like many other games over the last couple years the Sharks handling cost them this game. The handling plus the passive defending allowing the crusaders to dominate every collision is what cost us this game. I said to a mate on Satyurday that its actually a bit unpleasant watching the Sharks at the moment as they dont play rugby, they drop the ball after 1 or 2 phases an they tackling is so meek and mild. We actually rely on the opposition being worse in order to win.

  • Comment 182, posted at 23.07.18 10:55:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 182) : I dont think anyone will blame the ref for this loss. Is it wrong though to expect to see a game been called properly. You know there is something glaringly wrong with the reffing when the home commentators are commenting on calls throughout the game (good on them, our lot wouldnt have the guts to do the same)

    As a coach, how do you motivate your players and how does your captain keep his troops motivated when they are fully aware that they are being skinned alive by the ref?

  • Comment 183, posted at 23.07.18 11:25:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 183) : No ref is perfect and the players made a lot more errors than the ref. SO yes the ref didnt have his best game, but to blame the ref for not being motivated and not doing your best is not acceptable for a professional i believe. The Sharks have made the same handling and defensive errors most of this and the prior year…that surely isnt all the refs fault. If the points difference was 6 or 9 then yes maybe the ref influenced things, but 40-10!

  • Comment 184, posted at 23.07.18 11:42:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) : Thus far it has been pretty consistent, haven’t really seen the major inconsistencies that have been prevalent in Super Rugby.

  • Comment 185, posted at 23.07.18 11:49:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 184) : Once again, not blaming the ref. In my book crap handling and crap officiating are 2 seperate issues that need to be addressed. I remember you mentioning that you coached and I genuinely wanted to know how you go about addressing similar situations when you come accross them in a game.

  • Comment 186, posted at 23.07.18 12:52:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @dawj (Comment 174) : Coaches keep saying “it’s a young team”, excusing poor performances. And I’m not talking only of RdP, all coaches seem to do it

    Talking of continuity, only one player in the match 23 is in his first SR season

    Starting XV:
    Ave age: 25.6
    Ave SR caps: 62.7
    Least SR caps: 22 – Jacques Vermeulen
    Springboks: 10
    1st season with Sharks: 2

  • Comment 187, posted at 23.07.18 12:59:55 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 186) : From a coach perspective obviously you want good officiating from the start. However, we have to be realists and know that refs do also have bad games. What some coaches have spoken about, and again a lot of it is NZ coaches, is taken the ref out of the equation as much as possible and getting the ref to make fewer decisions. So for example trying to offlaod and not create rucks which the ref has to officiate. Getting the ball in and out the scrum quickly. On defense not playing for the ball but rather clearing out past the ball to free it up. Then if having to deal with poor officiating is not focussing on the ref decision but rather the focus on what you as an individual do immediately after a ref decision whether it be for or against you.

  • Comment 188, posted at 23.07.18 13:36:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 179) : He is surely talented enough

  • Comment 189, posted at 23.07.18 13:44:17 by jdolivier Reply

     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 186) : I am with you on this we deserved to lose all on our own but a ref performing so poorly makes the game seem like a joke.

  • Comment 190, posted at 23.07.18 15:14:42 by Byron Wright Reply

     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 184) : While the Crusaders never looked like losing, the first try looked like it came off a skew line out throw; the second try looked like the pop up pass was forward and, I think it was the fourth try- not sure that the ball was taken from behind the mark – the score line may have looked a little different.
    @Baylion (Comment 187) : average age of the Sharks team is 24 – I reckon that’s pretty young

  • Comment 191, posted at 23.07.18 17:18:54 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 187) : Congrats on a good win. The Lions with Marx + Whitely and Jantjies on song is just a different animal.

  • Comment 192, posted at 23.07.18 17:33:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 191) : Question is how many Sharks missed tackles were also involved in those tries? Average age of 24 does sound young but what are the averge ages of the other teams in the top 8 as cant judge in isolation?

  • Comment 193, posted at 24.07.18 08:20:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 191) : The average of 25.6 is based on the ages given on the players Wikipedia profiles, 25.3 for the match 23.

    The fact is most of the players are already quite experienced with only one player in the starting XV having less than 30 SR caps and 2 being in their 2nd seasons. Only Vosloo (on the bench) was a rookie this year.

    The point is, when do we stop calling a young player a young player? When does experience start counting more than age?

  • Comment 194, posted at 24.07.18 10:31:10 by Baylion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 193) :
    Lions / Sharks:
    Ave age: 26.7 / 25.6
    Ave SR caps: 60.7 / 62.7

  • Comment 195, posted at 24.07.18 10:56:16 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 195) : So Lions and Sharks the same age. Would be interesting to compare to the NZ sides. As i said we cant just say we a young side so thats an excuse if all others similar age

  • Comment 196, posted at 24.07.18 11:14:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 196) :
    Canes:
    Ave age: 26.1
    Ave SR caps: 62.3

    Saders:
    Ave age: 26.7
    Ave SR caps: 72.5

  • Comment 197, posted at 24.07.18 12:43:54 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 197) : Yeh so us being a young side doesnt hold water im afraid

  • Comment 198, posted at 24.07.18 12:54:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 194) : @SheldonK (Comment 193) : If I was Gary Teichmann, I would, with immediate effect, implement a clause in all my coaches’ employment contracts that would result in immediate termination if any of the following terms are uttered in public: “young team”, “rebuilding”, “proud of the the character and/or effort shown”, “just needs to click” and “on the verge of something special”. I threw up a little in my own mouth just typing that.

  • Comment 199, posted at 24.07.18 12:55:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 199) : You sir are a spoil-sport – what do you want our coaches to say during interviews?

  • Comment 200, posted at 24.07.18 13:02:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 200) : Reading out the post-game comments section from Sharksworld live on air would be a welcome and refreshing change…

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 199) : hahaha love it

  • Comment 202, posted at 24.07.18 13:10:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 201) : We need a thumbs-up emoji 😀

  • Comment 203, posted at 24.07.18 13:13:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 193) : @Baylion (Comment 194) : @Julesgr8ter (Comment 191) : @Culling Song (Comment 199) : Sharks (and other SA teams) will forever struggle to keep talented player (as the £, € & ¥ will always lure well know quality players) so they will always be playing with a “young” team! Coach needs to accepted it and ensure that he gets the best out of the players while there available!

  • Comment 204, posted at 24.07.18 15:08:44 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 199) : You missed ”they, the opposition, are a quality team,
    and the greatest chestnut of them all,we are just going to have to go back to the drawing board and start all over again on Monday.
    The stock standard answer from every single losing captain in the rugby world.
    Which to me as nauseating as it is, is still better than thanking the lord for giving us the opportunity to beat the shit out of the opposition.

  • Comment 205, posted at 24.07.18 16:26:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 205) : All should take from the Brendan Venter script:
    BV: Yes, winning is important, we must try harder
    Int: So it is a lack of effort then?
    BV: No, can’t say it is a lack of effort.
    Int. Then what is it?
    BV: I’m going to have to think about that, think very deeply about that. Thank you, thank you very much.

  • Comment 206, posted at 24.07.18 17:02:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 200) : Well he could do rugby vs ballet analogies. Like snorre….

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