Super team vs. Griquas

Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Currie Cup on 9 Jul 2019 at 22:03

Sean Everitt has picked a team full of Super Rugby experience for Friday night’s game. JPP slots back in at 13 next to Ward at 12. I am looking forward to seeing the loose trio of Stringer, Vermeulen and Mtembu taking on the Kwas.

It seems the old 22 player limit has now been removed in 2019.

  1. Juan Schoeman
  2. Kerron van Vuuren
  3. Coenie Oosthuizen
  4. Ruben van Heerden
  5. Hyron Andrews
  6. Luke Stringer
  7. Jacques Vermeulen
  8. Tera Mtembu (co-captain)
  9. Cameron Wright
  10. Curwin Bosch
  11. Lwazi Mvovo
  12. Jeremy Ward (co-captain)
  13. JP Pietersen
  14. Kobus van Wyk
  15. Aphelele Fassi


  1. Craig Burden
  2. Mzamo Majola
  3. John-Hubert Meyer
  4. Gideon Koegelenberg
  5. Phepsi Buthelezi*
  6. Sanele Nohamba*
  7. Marius Louw
  8. Rhyno Smith


  • Can’t complain about this squad but I feel Majola shuld start, I think he scrummages better than Schoeman.

    I’d have started with Pepsi and benched Mtembu and had Louw and Ward partner in the midfield. Then if we insist on playing JPP at 13 (this makes little sense to me) I’d pull Ward and Pepsi off at 60min and play JPP and Mtembu (taking captaincy) for the remainder of the game.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.07.19 07:28:23 by Hulk Reply
  • Pretty decent team base on who is available. Cant help but think we need to have more of a look at our youngsters to see who is capable but understand its tricky with u21 CC in process. Still looking at this team it has very much a CC feel to it – if this team was named for super rugby id be a little worried…but hopefully a CC season will harden them a bit. Griquas will be tough make no mistake.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.07.19 08:06:26 by SheldonK Reply
  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : That is probably what our Super Rugby team will look like next year – just adding Esterhuyzen, Am, Nkosi, Mapimpi, Thomas, Beast (if he doesn’t retire after the WC), Paul and Schreuder

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.07.19 08:10:11 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 3) : That’s half a team we adding…very curious to see what Beast does

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.07.19 08:45:23 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : Mostly backs though

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.07.19 09:00:00 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 5) : True, so hoping our forwards come of age this CC- Griquas will be a tough test. Hoping to see the lock combo of Van Heerden and Van Der Mescht sometime. Thinking out the box I wonder if Hyron Andrews could operate at 7?

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.07.19 09:12:32 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 1) : Good calls all

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.07.19 09:25:19 by Byron Wright Reply

  • I read that we have signed Madoshe Tambwe from the lions. I think we pretty well covered at wing so not sure what the thinking here is?

    Ntshila is on trial from the kings though and he could be a great acquisition. Don’t see the point of a trial though he is an established pro.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.07.19 09:28:19 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 1) : I was shocked to see JP at 13 and ward at 12

    But on the Ward point, I think the idea may well be: move away from the one dimensional SA mode of what a 12 (aka inside centre) rule is in the team

    Mostly in SA a 12 is there to hit the gain line and break the defense with strength or failing that draw in two or three tackles, quick recycle and then the rest of the attacking backline would exploit the numbers.

    Ward is more of a playmaker 12 (OZ and NZ players good at that)

    NZ 12’s seem to be good at both aspects

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.07.19 13:25:52 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 1) : I agree on the Majola count, he had a great SR season, therefore I’m not sure we need to recruit Ox, unless Schoeman leaves

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.07.19 13:27:28 by revolverocelot Reply

  • I see a couple of ex sharks players Wian Vosloo and Jean Droste lining up for the Bulls this weekend.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.07.19 13:28:43 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 8) : As much as I like Madoshe Tambwe, I concor, we dont need him, why did we recruit him

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.07.19 13:28:46 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 9) : I have honestly not yet seen a lot of play-making from him at this level.

    Between our current 4 centres Am is by far the best play maker – he should consider a move to 12

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.07.19 13:43:31 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @revolverocelot (Comment 12) : Perhaps we are losing a wing or 3. Any 1 of Van Wyk, Zas or Mvovo could be on the move. Nkosi hasn’t looked happy at all lately either. And Mapimpi is sure to be on many a club’s radar given the season he has had

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.07.19 13:48:27 by Choochi Reply

  • Wow, just heard that James Small has passed away – heart attack.
    Heavy news.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.07.19 14:19:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 15) : oh noooo…

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.07.19 14:58:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 16) : The 3rd player to pass away from that world cup winning team. I hope Jonah Lomu does not hold any grudges against Small for not letting him get past him in the final and lets James pass through the Pearly gates unhindered.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.07.19 15:09:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 17) : 😉 😥

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.07.19 17:10:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : Jean Droste wow that’s a name I completely forgot about, I believe he got injured and we havnt seen him in the mix for any of our teams sense, best of luck too him and Vosloo, and thank you for your service

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.07.19 17:10:53 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @Choochi (Comment 14) : let’s not even entertain the idea of Nkosi leaving, he seems pretty happy with Durban and the sharks too me, his the most talented wing in SA at present in my humble opinion.

    We don’t know everyone’s contract situation indeed, not trying to push anyone out, glad to have depth, just would rather talented players not suffer form lack of opertunity

    The WP financial crisis is definitely helping our recruitment efforts though, and being based in Durban hasn’t hurt either it seems.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.07.19 17:31:20 by revolverocelot Reply

  • Got to be one of the more mobile teams out out by the sharks in a while. Pace everywhere!!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.07.19 03:56:33 by byron Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 9) : I actually like Ward at 12 for the reasons you’ve stated but is JPP a better centre than Louw? I feel if we wanted JPP we should have deployed him at Fullback and helped Fassi with defence and taking the high ball, that after all was JPP biggest strengths.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.07.19 07:28:09 by Hulk Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 15) : Very sad news indeed.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.07.19 07:31:10 by Hulk Reply

  • Kwas team announced.
    Griquas: 15 Anthony Volmink, 14 Ederies Arendse, 13 Michal Haznar, 12 Andre Swarts, 11 Enver Brandt, 10 George Whitehead (captain), 9 Zak Burger, 8 Neill Jordaan, 7 Sias Koen, 6 Gideon van der Merwe, 5 Victor Sekekete, 4 Ian Groenewald, 3 Ewald van der Westhuizen, 2 Abraham le Roux, 1 Khwezi Mona.
    Replacements: 16 Wilmar Arnoldi, 17 Mox Moxili, 18 Nicolaas Oosthuizen, 19 Johan Momsen, 20 Denzel Hill, 21 Chriswill September, 22 Tinus de Beer, 23 Eduan Keyter.

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.07.19 08:01:54 by Karl Reply

  • @Karl (Comment 24) : Not going to be anything flashy from that team. Hard direct running from backs and forwards.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.07.19 08:40:02 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Karl (Comment 24) : Is that old Mox the Ox on the bench for griquas? DHS boy who had a couple games for the sharks years back?

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.07.19 09:04:15 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 22) : We are on the same page

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.07.19 10:09:14 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @byron (Comment 21) : Yep

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.07.19 10:09:44 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @Karl (Comment 24) : @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Its actually a really solid Kwas team in my estimation

    Griquas: 15 Anthony Volmink (lions), 14 Ederies Arendse(journeyman but decent player), 13 Michal Haznar(WP), 12 Andre Swarts(highly rated), 11 Enver Brandt(underrated), 10 George Whitehead (captain)(experienced), 9 Zak Burger(good player), 8 Neill Jordaan(experienced), 7 Sias Koen(highly experienced), 6 Gideon van der Merwe(no idea), 5 Victor Sekekete(athletic), 4 Ian Groenewald, 3 Ewald van der Westhuizen, 2 Abraham le Roux, 1 Khwezi Mona(underrated).
    Replacements: 16 Wilmar Arnoldi, 17 Mox Moxili (load from bulls), 18 Nicolaas Oosthuizen, 19 Johan Momsen, 20 Denzel Hill, 21 Chriswill September, 22 Tinus de Beer(former Bull, very good at getting the backline going), 23 Eduan Keyter.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.07.19 10:16:02 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 26) :

    Seems not: this Mox is much younger and this one went too Westville Boys’ High School

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.07.19 10:17:21 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @byron (Comment 21) : Yes pace everywhere but will we be able to live with them come scrum time?

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.07.19 10:24:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Supersport has been rebroadcasting old CurrieCup final games, this morning it was our 2010 win against WP and I had to marvel at what a brilliant player Patrick Lambie was and what stood out for me like a sore thumb was his incredible defence – not a scared hair on that youngsters head.
    The commentators were predicting that he would be the first Michaelhouse old boy to make the Bok team. :mrgreen:
    Andy Capostgno on the other hand had been telling us this while Lambkins was in std 8 (Gr10) already.

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.07.19 10:31:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) :
    Juan Schoeman
    Kerron van Vuuren
    Coenie Oosthuizen
    Ruben van Heerden
    Hyron Andrews
    Luke Stringer
    Jacques Vermeulen
    Tera Mtembu (co-captain)

    We have the size, but do we have the technique…

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.07.19 11:10:01 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : lol

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.07.19 11:25:19 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 33) : I really hope we have the grunt to take them on, I remember many a CC campaign where the likes of the Griquas and Pumas destroy us at scrum time. We will see what muscle Stringer and Tera coupled with Andrews can muster. The front row Im sure will be fine.

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.07.19 12:05:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Only finesse I see in front line is van Vuurens lineout skills and maybe Burden could add some. Backline only Bosch maybe van Wyk. JP is in the wrong position else he could have added some. The rest are all people learning their trade however talented they don’t have refinement. This will be a blow for blow game let’s hope our defense is much better than theirs so we can pull ahead early.

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.07.19 12:48:48 by coolfusion Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 30) : thanks.

    Does anyone know where Tyler Paul is?

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.07.19 15:02:20 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 37) : No problem

    It has been reporting that Tyler is injured and that’s why he was not apart of the 39man squad announcement, however he could play later in the season, no guarantees

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.07.19 15:36:07 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 35) : Good point

    Mzamo Majola, Gideon Koegelenberg provide a lot of grunt off the bench and tackling ability

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.07.19 15:37:56 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 38) : Thanks because I rate him and at his age he could turn into a great 4/7

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.07.19 15:54:09 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 40) : I’m a big fan of his as well

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.07.19 16:20:15 by revolverocelot Reply

  • Looks like rain is coming for the game tonight, don’t think that will suit the Sharks at all against that Griquas side.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.07.19 09:26:15 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : Was just about to post the exact same

    this could play into Kwas hands

    Excited to watch the game though

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.07.19 11:13:12 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 43) : Must be honest I am slightly excited but also hesitant as seeing the same boring error ridden rugby may just put me off the Sharks this CC…hoping for the positive though.

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.07.19 11:26:09 by SheldonK Reply

  • Rain maybe a good thing. This was going to be a slap fight otherwise. Let’s see if sharks have something real and sustainable in them.

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.07.19 11:33:50 by coolfusion Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : I understand your pessimism

    But any game with Cameron Wright and Curwin Bosch starting, with guys like Fassi, Phepsi Buthelezi, Sanele Nohamba, Marius Louw, Rhyno Smith in the mix, I’ll watch twice

    Still, Forwards decide who wins the game, backs decide by how much

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.07.19 12:05:05 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @revolverocelot (Comment 46) : Indeed forwards do but they must get stuck in and do that…not wait around in the backline to just carry the ball and get in the way. No use having that backline and all that happens it forwards crash it up constantly ruck to ruck

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.07.19 12:07:01 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : Exactly

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.07.19 13:08:38 by revolverocelot Reply

  • Heres another look at the announced CC 39 man squad

    (Guys like Tyler Paul could possibly still be in the mix at a later date, provided they recover from injury)


    1. Mzamo Majola
    2. Bandisa Ndlovu
    3. Coenie Oosthuizen
    4. Khutha Mchunu
    5. John-Hubert Meyer
    6. Juan Schoeman

    7. Kerron van Vuuren
    8. Craig Burden
    9. Dylan Richardson
    10. Fezo Mbatha
    11. Cullen Collopy,

    12. Hyron Andrews
    13. JJ van der Mescht
    14. Gideon Koegelenberg
    15. Ruben van Heerden

    16. Jacques Vermeulen
    17. Phepsi Buthelezi,
    18. Luke Stringer
    19. Tera Mtembu (captain)
    20. Michael Meyer
    21. Kwanda Dimaza


    1. Sanele Nohamba
    2. Grant Williams
    3. Cameron Wright
    4. Louis Schreuder

    5. Curwin Bosch
    6. Inny Radebe
    7. Boeta Chamberlain
    8. Murray Koster

    9. Muller du Plessis
    10. Marius Louw
    11. Jeremy Ward (captain)

    12. JP Pietersen
    13. Aphelele Fassi
    14. Ilunga Mukendi
    15. Kobus van Wyk
    16. Leolin Zas
    17. Lwazi Mvovo
    18. Rhyno Smith

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.07.19 13:09:44 by revolverocelot Reply

  • Does anyone know what the story is with Tambwe? As much as I think he’d be surplus to requirements, I understood that he’d already been signed to play for us, yet I see he’s on the Lions’ team sheet for the weekend.

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.07.19 13:12:26 by Karl Reply

  • @Karl (Comment 50) : oh damn

    maybe he signed to join us from 2020 onward

    that’s interesting

    I can’t seem to find any website that placed all the Currie cup 2019 team sheets on one link if anyone has one that would be awesome

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.07.19 13:36:00 by revolverocelot Reply

  • Lions having to really Rebuild

    Golden Lions

    15 Tyrone Green, 14 Madosh Tambwe, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Wayne van der Bank, 11 Stean Pienaar, 10 Shaun Reynolds, 9 Ross Cronje (captain), 8 James Venter, 7 Vincent Tshituka, 6 Marnus Schoeman, 5 Reinhard Nothnagel, 4 Rhyno Herbst, 3 Johannes Jonker, 2 Jan-Henning Campher, 1 Dylan Smith

    Substitutes: 16 Pieter Jansen, 17 Sti Sithole, 18 Jacobie Adriaanse, 19 Ruben Schoeman, 20 Len Massyn, 21 Dillon Smit, 22 Manuel Rass, 23 Jan-Louis la Grange

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.07.19 13:44:41 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : That is if you have forwards with hardly any ball skills and just play one pass one ruck rugby. Many Kiwi forwards and now even guys like Matera can play other players into space like centers.

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.07.19 14:22:06 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @revolverocelot (Comment 52) : I find it pretty funny that the player that the union decided not to renew his contract, gets to start the first game of the tournament. Obviously Combrink and Mapoe leaving has created a small gap…

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.07.19 17:49:47 by Karl Reply

  • Griquas 7-0 after 3 minutes

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.07.19 19:21:08 by jdolivier Reply

  • Mistake by the Sharks after doing all the playing and Kwas 9 scores. 7-0

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.07.19 19:21:55 by Bokhoring Reply
  • So far just a similar performance to our bad performances in superrugby, hopefully they kick on soon it is just 10 minutes in

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.07.19 19:26:38 by jdolivier Reply

  • Highlight for the Sharks so far Ward’s tackle on Brand

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.07.19 19:27:14 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 58) : His tackle highlights from 2018 was something to behold

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.07.19 19:28:57 by jdolivier Reply

  • I’ll discipline again, long night ahead

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.07.19 19:29:55 by jdolivier Reply

  • Too many mistakes from the Sharks

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.07.19 19:35:31 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Jpp and kobus van wyk yet to touch the ball, ward and fassi are working their butts off in the backline, all the forwards are putting in efforts

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.07.19 19:39:39 by jdolivier Reply

  • Griquas offside regularly, assistant referees giving them a pass

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.07.19 19:40:28 by SeanJeff Reply
  • @SeanJeff (Comment 63) : Sharks should do the same then

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.07.19 19:43:04 by jdolivier Reply

  • Bosch going for posts, back to losing a game 3 points to a try, as if Rob snr is still coach

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.07.19 19:44:19 by jdolivier Reply

  • 7-3 after 26 minutes

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.07.19 19:44:47 by jdolivier Reply

  • Lineouts not going well

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.07.19 19:51:38 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Vermeulen cannot catch a ball today

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.07.19 19:55:43 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Shraks forcing too much. No real buildup. I’d like to see some consistent phase play.

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.07.19 20:03:35 by coolfusion Reply

  • Very lucky not to have 4 tries against us, not pretty rugby, they can definitely win this, small silly errors still just creeping in

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.07.19 20:03:48 by jdolivier Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 69) : Deja vu from superrugby……….

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.07.19 20:04:38 by jdolivier Reply

  • We have been poor no structure on attack and awful hands. Mufasa been shocking all round. Vermuelen must get the hook just a shocking day it happens

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.07.19 20:06:27 by Byron Wright Reply

  • Cam needs to start playing like Cameron Wright and stop impersonating LS.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.07.19 20:09:33 by sudhir Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 71) : Ja it seems like we have nothing else to offer but outmuscle. If that fails we fall flat. Should be kicking into territory since our attack from deep is never going to come off.

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.07.19 20:12:11 by coolfusion Reply

  • @sudhir (Comment 73) : one thing that frustrates me is that he often passes to an isolated player it’s his option taking that’s holding him back

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.07.19 20:13:22 by Byron Wright Reply

  • Eish

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.07.19 20:19:07 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Fassi has been really poor wth the up and unders. Runs into his own player and dislodges the ball.

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.07.19 20:19:21 by dawj Reply

  • 17-6

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.07.19 20:20:00 by Bokhoring Reply
  • 😯 what the hell is going on?!

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.07.19 20:20:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Griekwas really not good. It looks very easy to put some score on these sharks.

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.07.19 20:21:03 by coolfusion Reply

  • The Sharks kicking game is poor

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.07.19 20:22:33 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @dawj (Comment 77) : Not Fassi fault. Van Wyk has been very poor. Stupid play.

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.07.19 20:23:17 by sudhir Reply

  • Sounds like pretty much everything is poor? Can we just not play at King’s Park anymore? Or play at all anymore?

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.07.19 20:24:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Everett has a lot of work to do with this lot

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.07.19 20:26:58 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @pastorshark (Comment 83) : Well. Let’s give them time to settle a bit. They did have a major coaching upheaval. The test would be to see if Everitt can identify and remediate. Would be great to see and it would give me hope.

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.07.19 20:27:50 by coolfusion Reply

  • 20-6

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.07.19 20:28:45 by Bokhoring Reply
  • If you take the CV winners and win against the kwas people could say you inherited. If the turn up poorly and you can build them into winners no one can say anything except that you must be a good coaching team….

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.07.19 20:30:16 by coolfusion Reply

  • Burden finally manages to run on a field for the Sharks

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.07.19 20:31:08 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 88) : JP actually made it on before him even though he was here months before JP.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.07.19 20:33:33 by coolfusion Reply

  • Stringer makes the first steal of the night for the Sharks

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.07.19 20:37:51 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Bosch hits a blank,then hits a bus….pass or grubber anything would have been good. Sharks where are your minds?

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.07.19 20:38:04 by coolfusion Reply

  • Whitehead punishes Burden’s silly play – 23-6

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.07.19 20:39:52 by Bokhoring Reply
  • This is basically embarrassing…
    Let’s hope things get better…

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.07.19 20:41:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Clever play by JPP and Cam scores

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.07.19 20:42:03 by Bokhoring Reply
  • 23-13

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.07.19 20:43:01 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Ah, that was better…

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.07.19 20:43:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Finally a bit of guile on attack

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.07.19 20:44:09 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Fassi will have to work hard on the high ball

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.07.19 20:47:35 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Kwas maul our forwards for about 15 metres and scores

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.07.19 20:48:29 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Sigh…

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.07.19 20:49:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • In the immortal words of Ozzie Osborne : what a bunch of useless cunts. This is pathetic, a superrugby team losing at home against the griquas

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.07.19 20:49:38 by jdolivier Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 98) : In his defense he has been taken out in the air 3 times

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.07.19 20:50:09 by jdolivier Reply

  • Sharks have a LOT of work to do

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.07.19 20:50:20 by Bokhoring Reply
  • 30-13

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.07.19 20:51:01 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) : We need a coach first

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.07.19 20:51:25 by jdolivier Reply

  • Sigh…
    Then again, in previous seasons we have a good record of winning the cup when we lose to the Griquas in the first round… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.07.19 20:52:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • If I am not mistaken even Nohamba played in Super Rugby this year?

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.07.19 20:53:21 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Kwas get a bonus point against the Sharks

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.07.19 20:53:56 by Bokhoring Reply
  • 37-13 Eish

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.07.19 20:55:05 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 108) : Have some balls, pathetic sharks humbled by amateur team

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.07.19 20:56:29 by jdolivier Reply

  • I guess the co-captains will draw lots not to do the post match interview

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.07.19 21:00:30 by Bokhoring Reply
  • The only thing that has changed from superrugby is the degree ro which we suck. Absolutely nothing to be positive about. The once proud union has been driven to ground.

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.07.19 21:01:04 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 112) : This lot is going to provide 60-65% of next year’s match day squad

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.07.19 21:02:45 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 113) : That is what makes this loss even more heartbreaking. Everett was announced as coach, he isn’t. Everything you saw tonight was copy and paste Adolf du preez snr. We need a coach who can inspire this lot. Too much talent to suck this bad

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.07.19 21:04:35 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 114) : To be fair he barely had time to work with these guys – let alone put in new attacking structures in place

  • Comment 115, posted at 12.07.19 21:06:08 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 115) : That’s why I said inspiration is needed, they just don’t believe in each other

  • Comment 116, posted at 12.07.19 21:06:54 by jdolivier Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 115) : 23 team players beat 23 big union individuals

  • Comment 117, posted at 12.07.19 21:07:31 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 110) : What makes the Griquas an amateur team? Don’t be arrogant! They have a good coach, and professional players. Just because they don’t play Super rugby, doesn’t make them amateurs. They were well coached, and executed their game plan well. Nobody can argue too much against 4 tries to 1. Even the usual ref bashing won’t hold any water here.

    And for the record, I expected the Sharks to win by 13 🙁

  • Comment 118, posted at 12.07.19 21:14:34 by KingCheetah Reply

  • The triple V’s were very disappointing ie Vermeulon, Van Wyk and van Vuuren. Vermeulon couldn’t catch a cold, Van was a passenger and Van Vuuren couldn’t do the basics. WTF. Was the team properly prepared. Griquas played with passion and pride. Well done. Sharks needed to wake up. Well done to the young guys who made their debut. Showed lots of enthusiasm, passion and pride for the jersey.

  • Comment 119, posted at 12.07.19 21:15:54 by sudhir Reply

  • @pastorshark (Comment 106) : There is a measure of truth in that. Didn’t see this result at Kings Park though 🙄

  • Comment 120, posted at 12.07.19 21:17:03 by KingCheetah Reply

  • This…is disappointing…no matter which way you cut it!

  • Comment 121, posted at 12.07.19 21:18:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We didn’t lose because of the above mentioned players. They just stood out as the worst on the night. Maybe time to give guys like Muller Du Plessis, JJ and Richardson an opportunity to stake a claim.

  • Comment 122, posted at 12.07.19 21:20:59 by sudhir Reply

  • @sudhir (Comment 122) : Richardson is a beast! Quite surprised he was ignored.

  • Comment 123, posted at 12.07.19 21:29:57 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 118) : Amateur in the sense of no superrugby sponsorship, many of them still have jobs other than rugby, amateur doesn’t mean lesser

  • Comment 124, posted at 12.07.19 21:43:53 by jdolivier Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 118) : And why are you only on this site when the sharks lose, start a cheetahs site rather than take pleasure in others misfortune

  • Comment 125, posted at 12.07.19 21:45:39 by jdolivier Reply

  • How can a team full of Super Rugby regulars be creamed by a semi professional team? In all honesty I have only heard of 3 of the Griqua’s starting 23.

  • Comment 126, posted at 12.07.19 21:57:36 by Loosehead Reply

  • Seems like the plan was to run Griqwas off their feet but you have to hold on to the ball first. We definitely need to beef up the forward pack. JJ and Van Heerden/Koegelenberg in for the next game.

    Bosch was relly poor today but i suppose he’ll be given another chance to showcase his talent. To add some stabality; i’d play Rhyno at fullback and Fassi on the LW. Marius Louw is just not Superrugby or CC material. We’ve been waiting too many seasons to see him ‘realise’ his potential.

  • Comment 127, posted at 12.07.19 23:23:55 by dawj Reply

  • Butch said that Ntsila has been signed. Need to fast track him in the starting lineup next week. Players need to take responsibility for their performance. Most were very poor last night. I’ve been waiting for a while now for Van Wyk to reproduce the lethal form that he had and is capable of when he arrived at the Sharks but sadly it is not to be. Was the same problem at WP. Time to look at at other options coz even the opportunity he has been given in SR and the Supersport challenge he has not stepped up. Lots of errors that resulted in 3 tries.

  • Comment 128, posted at 13.07.19 06:51:18 by sudhir Reply

  • Leolin Zas also deserves an opportunity. Was good in the Supersport challenge.

  • Comment 129, posted at 13.07.19 06:54:16 by sudhir Reply

  • Does anyone know of a website that has all player statistics, i.e. appearance, scoring statistics over the full history of unions. I’m looking for some stats on former Natal players…you know, like they used to have in the matchday programmes in the 90s…matches played, tries scored, etc.

  • Comment 130, posted at 13.07.19 07:45:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 124) : Fair point, not that I am aware of any Griquas players that aren’t full time rugby [email protected]jdolivier (Comment 125) : I am often reading the articles. I don’t need your permission to be here, and your perception is your reality man. Sharks are the team in Super Rugby, and as a result I will follow their prospects. I don’t post often as I made a decision not to get involved in silly spats that add no value. I didn’t make any disparaging remarks, so relax man.
    For the record I posted on here in the week about Ruan and Fransie joining the Cheetahs, I wasn’t aware that the Sharks had already lost, before the kick off two days later 🙂

  • Comment 131, posted at 13.07.19 08:12:33 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @sudhir (Comment 128) : Van Wyk needs to know the coach believes in him first he was pretty much ignored by the previous regime. What we need is a much better game plan the day preez plan is still very much alive by the looks of it. SE needs to put his stamp on this team, but as som have rightly said he had only had a week or so, let’s give him time. I’d rather see solid build in the curry cup with good structure than win it on the old one and go into supers with a team just as broken as before…

  • Comment 132, posted at 13.07.19 08:14:08 by coolfusion Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 131) : Hoezit kolle Kat!… haven’t seen you in a while…

  • Comment 133, posted at 13.07.19 08:16:02 by coolfusion Reply

  • @coolfusion (Comment 133) : I am good man, I follow the blogs, just prefer not to get dragged into arguments. Try and keep things as positive in my life as possible. How are you doing? I must say I thought Griquas would be a tough nut, but at Kings Park I didn’t see this result. Think the rain was the leveller, and the Griquas played smarter. Sharks should bounce back, but WP are arguably stronger now than in the Super Rugby comp.
    Regardless it is a short comp and this result at home is not a good one. Stay well Dude.

  • Comment 134, posted at 13.07.19 08:21:57 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 131) : No one requires any permission to use any open forum, ever.

  • Comment 135, posted at 13.07.19 10:43:48 by jdolivier Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 131) : Regarding 9 to 5 jobs, they have an off season that is more extensive than superrugby participating teams. Few friends from the Schweizer Reinecke area and surroundings have stated that the boys do varying things from estate agents to accounting clerks, they don’t just play rugby, very few also get temporary NH and Japanese contracts as opposed to the “bigger unions” except for the handful involved with the cheetahs

  • Comment 136, posted at 13.07.19 10:49:25 by jdolivier Reply

  • Worst Sharks performance in years.Haven’t seen a Sharks scrum beaten up bullied and dominated like that since the 60’s.This is basically the same scrum that held the Crusaders,smashed the Lions,bar one player Dan Du Preez.
    Mthembu is a joke he was finished a year ago, and they make him the captain.The rest of the scrum apart from Coenie wouldn’t make the Griqua’s bench on last night’s performance.
    To all the haters who couldn’t wait to see the back end of Rob and his son’s ,be careful of what you wish for and guess what you got it.

  • Comment 137, posted at 13.07.19 11:26:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 35) : As I suspected.

  • Comment 138, posted at 13.07.19 11:39:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 136) : Very interesting info thank you. Yes I suppose playing CC and SRC alone isn’t sustainable in terms of keeping busy all year. So I guess that makes sense.

  • Comment 139, posted at 13.07.19 11:39:07 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 137) : I hear you.

  • Comment 140, posted at 13.07.19 11:40:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Loosehead (Comment 126) : you forgot to add “at home”. Yes how.

  • Comment 141, posted at 13.07.19 11:53:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 137) : Honestly the game plan was verbatim Rob snr. Bosch was poor for the first time since slotting back into fly half, Rob jnr had 4 shockers before everyone called for his head. Not a single person on this group had anything bad too say about Dan this season. Jl was injured for most of the superrugby so no complaints about him either

  • Comment 142, posted at 13.07.19 15:19:35 by jdolivier Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 142) : Was about to type the exact same thing.

    I appreciated what Rob Snr did for us but I did call for a change in coaching

    I greatly appreciated what Rob Jnr did for us and I sympathized with his poor performances due to playing none stop for 15months, but I did call for him to be drop from the match 23 completely (though I understand why they had to have him on the bench as there wasn’t a third FH they could call on, though I would have trusted Ryno Smith).

    Dan we all praised all year and JL barely played and no one was calling for his removal or departure.

  • Comment 143, posted at 13.07.19 15:36:45 by revolverocelot Reply

  • We have lost all our loose forwards plus the first choice 5 and soon the possibility of the starting front row as well. So the engine room needs a new engine. What has been evident in all competitions is the need for a fetcher. This has actually been a problem for a while now but the acquisition of Akker plastered that crack temporarily. Also our breakdown skills and ball protection needs improvement. Can’t we get Omar back.

  • Comment 144, posted at 13.07.19 15:49:59 by sudhir Reply

  • The team that the puma’s announce just narrowly lost to a lions team I barely know anyone in, and yet this puma’s team has many familiar names, just a observation, in no way am I saying you win on paper or strength of names in your match 23, also looks like the puma’s only had one prop on the bench

    15 Devon Williams, 14 Morne Joubert, 13 Neil Maritz, 12 Ryan Nell (captain), 11 Etienne Taljaard, 10 Jacobus Marais, 9 Reynier van Rooyen, 8 Willie Engelbrecht, 7 Hermanus Carel du Preez, 6 Jeandre Rudolph, 5 Stefan Willemse, 4 Le Roux Roets, 3 Marne Coetzee, 2 Marko Janse van Rensburg, 1 Andrew Beerwinkel.
    Substitutes: 16 Cornelius Els, 17 Wikus Groenewald, 18 Hilton Lobberts, 19 Phumzile Maqondwana, 20 Ashlon Davids, 21 Christopher Smith, 22 Henko Marais, 23 Morgan Naude

  • Comment 145, posted at 13.07.19 18:20:30 by revolverocelot Reply

  • @sudhir (Comment 144) : Play Richardson as openside. That young man has impressed me.

  • Comment 146, posted at 13.07.19 18:45:56 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 146) : I agree but he is still very young and needs to be managed well. Hence the need for an established fetcher to rotate with him.

  • Comment 147, posted at 13.07.19 19:15:58 by sudhir Reply

  • I watched the 2 games today, and on the evidence of this this weekends games, the Sharks are going to be very lucky not to play promotion relegation. All the teams are streets ahead of us at this very moment.

  • Comment 148, posted at 13.07.19 19:34:15 by Bayshark Reply

  • @The hound (Comment 137) : Sharks did not do well in the scrums but I have seen worse before. You must surely mean the maul defense where we were marched back 15m at a time. Our own lineout against went to garbage on Friday, but rather than Petti / Arnold disrupting us we looked like amateurs against semi-amateur players.

    Most of these problems were already evident through the year and now just really boiled over by not having Dan, Botha and Paul available for the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 149, posted at 14.07.19 07:03:03 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Almost the ultimate sporting weekend coming to a close in England. Awesome stuff.

  • Comment 150, posted at 14.07.19 20:13:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • What a pathetic performance, I think Teichman is quickly packing up his stuff to leave as soon as possible and hand the mess to Coetzee. They going to have to print more banners to cover seats as with that display they will barely even get the players parents down to watch. As I suspected, barring a couple of individuals, this Sharks team/squad etc is lacking in the basics of the game. They are poorly coached and cant catch, pass and tackle with the conviction needed for a professional outfit. The forward orientated rugby from super rugby papered over those cracks due to the individuals involved but with them out we are badly exposed for the sub standard team we are. And I wouldn’t be a true supporter if I didn’t call it as it is. Watching the other CC games this weekend we were the worst team by some margin. I hope Everitt has a serious bag of tricks or this CC season could get ugly quickly

  • Comment 151, posted at 15.07.19 07:42:04 by SheldonK Reply

  • Very poor game by the sharks and some very anonymous players. My biggest concern is that the attack remains impotent. We had possession and territory but we really struggled to make things happen. Williams has had a fair amount of time with those backs(except JP) so I would like to see better stuff by now.

    The line-out was a shocker but Easter is in a new roll with the forwards so we must give him a bit of time as we must with Everitt.

    If Fassi’s greatest strenght is his running game is he best suited to FB? Maybe wing rather.

    Ward is better at 13 and Terra, Hyron, Schoeman didn’t even seem like they were on the field.

    Tough work ahead for Everitt but lets see how it goes from here.

    I am still not sure how we dont have a full time D coach.

  • Comment 152, posted at 15.07.19 09:08:25 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 152) : You can also add Vermeulen, Van Wyk and and Kerron to that list. Vermeulen and van Wyk in particular cost us dearly both on attack and defense.

  • Comment 153, posted at 15.07.19 10:37:12 by sudhir Reply

  • What happened to Kerron? I’ve never seen him play that badly.

  • Comment 154, posted at 15.07.19 10:40:27 by sudhir Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 151) : We started with the idea to run the Kwas off their feet – but that only works if you have players that can catch a ball. Made worse by the rain.

    Our back three did not do well handling the Kwas kicks. Forwards have been an utter disappointment. With so much Super experience plus if I recall correctly not giving away kilos to the Kwas you would expect a lot more from them.

    We needed a good kicking game in these conditions – but our kicking game is really poor at the moment.

  • Comment 155, posted at 15.07.19 10:44:05 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Byron Wright (Comment 152) : I would really like to see how a Super combo of Am (12) and Ward (13) could work for the Sharks. To me Ward is really more of a 13 in the Jesse Kriel mould – strong runner and defender.

  • Comment 156, posted at 15.07.19 10:46:23 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 155) : The Sharks handling has been a major issue for years, yet we have kept the same skills coach on, the mind boggles. We have had good forwards that have got us wins and kept us competitive but with those individuals out or not producing the goods it becomes ever more clear how fundamentally inept this team is. I have seen schoolboy teams especially backlines catch and pass with better speed and accuracy. I have really struggled to watch the Sharks of late with the boring and error ridden rugby they produce, which is really sad as I used to look forward to the rugby each week and plan my weekend accordingly

  • Comment 157, posted at 15.07.19 11:01:48 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 157) : We had a coach that told the players they would need to put in extra time – he got fired for that. Only when this slack approach to skill development is sorted at all levels in the union will we see results.

  • Comment 158, posted at 15.07.19 11:09:27 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 158) : Well I wont be holding my breath…just hope we don’t get relegated from CC as we were by far the worst team on show this last weekend.

  • Comment 159, posted at 15.07.19 11:14:33 by SheldonK Reply

  • @sudhir (Comment 153) : They were awful but in Vermuelens case especially it wasn’t that he wasn’t trying it was just he was playing so badly whereas the guys I mentioned didn’t even try.

    @Bokhoring (Comment 156) : could be electric especuially as we have a potentially speedy back row. I am a fan of andre though his passing this year was good.

  • Comment 160, posted at 15.07.19 11:28:19 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 160) : Id still like to see Esterhuizen at 15. So a backline along the lines of 9. Schreuder 10. Bosch 11. Fassi 12. Am 13. Ward 14. Nkosi 15. Esterhuizen
    and for CC now: 9. Wright 10. Bosch 11. Fassi 12. Louw 13. Ward 14. Pieterson 15. Smith

  • Comment 161, posted at 15.07.19 11:39:24 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 156) : How about Ward 13 and Rynhardt Jonker at 12? That young man is very skillful and has incredible hands. A natural playmaker.

  • Comment 162, posted at 15.07.19 11:44:49 by sudhir Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 161) : No place for Mapimpi?

  • Comment 163, posted at 15.07.19 11:45:35 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @sudhir (Comment 162) : In time probably yes. But for next year I would be keen to try Am at 12. That does not mean we have to chuck Andre away – could start a game with Andre + Am and then finish with Am + Ward

  • Comment 164, posted at 15.07.19 11:53:18 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @sudhir (Comment 162) : Jonker is young and from what I heard is looking to go overseas after serving a couple years here playing adult rugby.

  • Comment 165, posted at 15.07.19 11:55:53 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 163) : Just have this feeling he wont be sticking around for some reason, but if he does Fassi to bench.

  • Comment 166, posted at 15.07.19 11:56:29 by SheldonK Reply

  • Due to the short CC changes need to be made. We don’t have the luxury of selecting players and hope that discover some form. Van Wyk has had opportunities this year but has not been good. Therefore a change in the back 3 is needed, especially against WP. Either move Fassi to the wing and start Ryno at FB with Mvovo on the other wing. Or give Zas or Muller Du Plessis a start in place of Kobus. Ntsila also need to start in the loose forwards if the sharks have signed him and Richardson should be in the match day squad.

  • Comment 167, posted at 15.07.19 12:10:59 by sudhir Reply

  • Is it true that Rayno Smith is joining the Cheetahs next year?

  • Comment 168, posted at 15.07.19 13:06:48 by swan Reply

  • @swan (Comment 168) : Wouldn’t blame him if he was due to lack of game time at the Sharks…but cant see that changing at the Cheetahs with the personnel they have.

  • Comment 169, posted at 15.07.19 13:31:53 by SheldonK Reply

  • @sudhir (Comment 167) : 100% Terra has come back from a long time out and wont be back to his best for some time and we cant wait for that so Ntshila is a must. Vermuelen must ride the pine next week after a shocker. We need to look at Van Heerden as a 5 so lets play Kogelenberg at 4. Majola to start. Would play Smit for Van Wyk with Fassi to wing.

  • Comment 170, posted at 15.07.19 14:38:54 by Byron Wright Reply

  • Amazing how,on this site, when Rob du Preez jnr was still with the Sharks, playing SuperRugby, Fassi was a shoe in for the fullback position but now at CC level he is deemed not good enough – what gives?

  • Comment 171, posted at 15.07.19 14:51:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 171) : I rate Fassi at full back but wing is a bit of a problem with Mapimpi and Nkosi away. Also Ryno Smith can be accommodated at FH Or FB but I wouldn’t shift Bosch hence the call for Fassi to wing it. Fassi took criticism last week for not handling the high ball well but in all fairness the conditions weren’t very good and he was not provided protection by his teammates.

  • Comment 172, posted at 15.07.19 15:14:02 by sudhir Reply

  • @sudhir (Comment 172) : Protection by your teammates would count as obstruction 😛

  • Comment 173, posted at 15.07.19 15:36:23 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Only if you change your line. Kwas kick chasers were given freedom of the park and applied tremendous pressure. Look at what they did when we kicked up and unders.

  • Comment 174, posted at 15.07.19 15:46:36 by sudhir Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 169) : You are right to a degree, but an injury or two and he could be in the mix. If Jaer and Blommetjies are fit then great, as I believe Ruan will cover 9/10 and 15 in the Pro 14. I wouldn’t mind Smith joining is, he is a solid player.
    Haven’t seen anything of Mafura and Carelse to judge their ability as yet. So only Rabz, Blommetjies and Jaer as back three. Small-Smith will likely play wing again, so still shy a bit of depth there.

  • Comment 175, posted at 15.07.19 18:00:22 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 175) : That’s kind of the same situation he is in at the Sharks, waiting on an injury to make the starting side. I must admit I like having him on the bench as he can cover a number of positions and offers something a bit different, as well as he can kick for posts.
    Carelse is a pretty useful player, but that’s judging him on opposition he has faced to date- Pro14 much different.
    Personally id start Meyer at 9 and Pienaar at 10 and then shift Small-Smith to 12 which will create a very solid decision making axis.

  • Comment 176, posted at 16.07.19 07:51:29 by SheldonK Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 176) : Yes that would work for too. That said Schoeman has been good at FH. Pienaar will likely either start at FB or come off the bench at SH

  • Comment 177, posted at 16.07.19 10:38:42 by KingCheetah Reply

  • So Ryno has signed for the Cheetahs for next year so we even shorter at cover for 10.

  • Comment 178, posted at 16.07.19 13:41:12 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 178) : Yes I am happy with that. @SheldonK (Comment 176) : As you stated Rhyno Smith signed for 3 years. Cheetahs also signed Chris Massyn from WP, Chris Smit and Wilmar Arnoldi from Griquas. All good acquisitions. Not sure what the thinking with Arnoldi is, as Cheetahs have Dweba, Reinach Venter, Marnus vd Merwe and Jacques du Toit at hooker. Unless one has become surplus or Reinach is being considered as a prop.

  • Comment 179, posted at 16.07.19 13:50:29 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 179) : Good stuff happening at the Cheetahs its good to see. Are they able to qualify this year for the next champions cup?

  • Comment 180, posted at 16.07.19 14:12:30 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 180) : Not sure, they have a more settled squad than last year, but still shy some top class players. The likes if Leinster, Munster, Ulster, Glasgow and Cardiff are loaded with test players. I can see an improved season on last year, but to win the knock out rounds might be a bridge too far I fear

  • Comment 181, posted at 16.07.19 14:46:27 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 179) : Some good acquisitions. To do well in the Pro14 your forwards need to be able to get on the front foot consistently and then the backs need to be able to deal with a slippery ball in contact. Currently the SA sides turn over the ball too many times to do well.

  • Comment 182, posted at 16.07.19 15:03:31 by SheldonK Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 181) : I think you guys are in with a shout but I meant more on the technical side on the comp rules weren’t you previously barred from champions cup regardless of your finish in pro 14?

  • Comment 183, posted at 16.07.19 15:20:23 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 183) : Yes! To my knowledge that only becomes an option in the 2012/22 season when the current deal expires. Think this is the last year where Cheetahs and Kings can’t qualify for EC. So if the Cheetahs can consolidate and go all out next year it will be great.

  • Comment 184, posted at 16.07.19 15:34:17 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 184) : thanks yes makes a lot of sense to go all out when that becomes an option. I see the prize money in 2018 was about 600 000 euro for the winner so that is significant plus the sponsorship bonus that would come from operating in so many markets.

  • Comment 185, posted at 16.07.19 15:42:29 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 185) : Absolutely agree. The Toyota Sponsorship is for another 3 years I think, and if Cheetahs can crack EC participation, then they will at last be able to afford to contract top class players, and compete on equal footing in Pro 14

  • Comment 186, posted at 16.07.19 16:06:56 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 186) : Ah, but will their never-ending moaning and complaining go away? I fail to see…

  • Comment 187, posted at 16.07.19 16:17:54 by Karl Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 186) : Hopefully they hang on the the performing players for 2 seasons

  • Comment 188, posted at 16.07.19 17:51:57 by jdolivier Reply

  • @Karl (Comment 187) : Pot …kettle tring tring!! You should read this blog if you want to see moaning Dude

  • Comment 189, posted at 16.07.19 18:11:25 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @jdolivier (Comment 188) : Agreed, so far so good. Only really lost Shaun Venter this year. And gained Ruan. The squad has been strengthened and if rumours are true of Frans Steyn joining the Cheetahs the possibility is there for them to do well. Then this crop of players will be in their third year together. Last time the Cheetahs had that, they played in the QF of Super Rugby

  • Comment 190, posted at 16.07.19 18:15:55 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 190) : I wouldn’t be surprised to see Uzair Cassiem back at the Cheetahs soon too

  • Comment 191, posted at 17.07.19 08:13:06 by SheldonK Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 190) : I still hope we looking to steal Steyn from under your noses. Nothing against the Cheetahs but we really need a 10/15 and with Ryno going your way and no announcement on Steyn I hope something is afoot

  • Comment 192, posted at 17.07.19 08:50:42 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 191) : I don’t see a space for him right now, even though he is a hard grafter. The loosies and locks we have are his equal. Maartens and Olivier at 6, Henco Venter, Mohoje, Nonkontwana, Pokomela at 7, and Jasper Wiese and Aidon Davis at 8. Walt Steenkamp, Justin Basson, JP du Preez and Manjezi cover lock, with Nonkontwana also able to slot in there. And with Massyb now also contracted. @Byron Wright (Comment 192) : I hear you. Not overly convinced he will sign with the Cheetahs, but he will be welcome. Together with Pienaar, it is valuable experience and quality.

  • Comment 193, posted at 17.07.19 09:39:45 by KingCheetah Reply

  • Eish – things are so bad in Sharks country – we would rather discuss the Cheetah’s prospects 🙄

  • Comment 194, posted at 17.07.19 10:24:47 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Byron Wright (Comment 192) : Steyn at 12 please

  • Comment 195, posted at 17.07.19 10:25:31 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 195) : I agree that is his best position and he can cover 10/15 from there.

  • Comment 196, posted at 17.07.19 10:56:18 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 194) : They are really bad. We not in a good place on or off the field and unlike the other SA Super Rugby sides we don’t have a wealthy benefactor to ride in and help out so I cant see a change coming anytime soon.

    Lets hope we can produce with Everitt and the youngsters but it doesn’t strike me as a sustainable professional model to success. It is sustainable financially though which is something.

  • Comment 197, posted at 17.07.19 11:12:06 by Byron Wright Reply

  • So Rob and Gary have resigned- Gary end of September

  • Comment 198, posted at 17.07.19 12:12:50 by Byron Wright Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 198) : Absolutely grates me that a new coach has not even been looked at yet. Amateur stuff!

  • Comment 199, posted at 17.07.19 12:36:16 by Karl Reply

  • @Karl (Comment 199) : Sean Everitt…he will coach the super rugby side

  • Comment 200, posted at 17.07.19 12:42:26 by SheldonK Reply

  • @Karl (Comment 199) : I rest my case 👿 😀

  • Comment 201, posted at 17.07.19 13:21:08 by KingCheetah Reply

  • @SheldonK (Comment 200) : I think that is obvious and probably necessary. If Coetzee is serious about finding the right man to fit into the Sharks “culture” etc he probably isn’t going to be found overnight. However I hope that isn’t lip service so they can slot Everitt into the head coach position and then stop looking but pretend to be.

    Also I wonder if they know what the Sharks culture is. At the moment it’s unenthusiastic players producing sloppy results. Or are we going back to the party line we want to reproduce the “90’s Glory team” culture?

    I think the current culture is one of reward for sub-par performances and the 90’s was a newly professional team finding it’s way and that path led us to not wanting to work 8 hours a day and complaining about the coach/other players/ things being unfair etc etc etc. I think we need to forget what the Sharks were/are and say what we want to be. From that point say who can drive us there. Anyone not wanting to be on this trip can get off now. I’m talking a hard professional outfit. One that trains until you get it right, one that the players are dropped for poor fitness levels or not keeping their skills up to scratch. The coach should not have to teach players how to be fit or how to catch or scrum or run, he should teach you how he wants you to do those things as a team. I say leave the culture of the past in the past and find a new culture. One that is built on hard work and professionalism, not talented individuals and a want to entertain. It’s time to start building something real.

  • Comment 202, posted at 17.07.19 13:38:15 by Hulk Reply

  • @Hulk (Comment 202) : Very good post

  • Comment 203, posted at 17.07.19 14:40:47 by Karl Reply

  • @KingCheetah (Comment 201) : ????

  • Comment 204, posted at 17.07.19 14:42:26 by Karl Reply

  • @Byron Wright (Comment 198) : Whoop, whoop, now the Sharks can show us just what a millstone the Du Preezs have been around their neck. I watch with interest.

  • Comment 205, posted at 17.07.19 15:10:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 202) : Lets add that part of this new culture will be to expect to play before crowds of less than 10000 people,

  • Comment 206, posted at 17.07.19 15:13:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Heres a good read by kakerlak Greenaway.

    MacKenzie and Smit should be drawn and quartered.

  • Comment 207, posted at 17.07.19 15:32:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Worst news is that both twins are leaving as well.

  • Comment 208, posted at 17.07.19 16:26:57 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 208) : when I read the possibility of the twins being released early I thought du Preez snr might be on his way too.

  • Comment 209, posted at 17.07.19 16:31:49 by Hulk Reply

  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 207) : Where?

  • Comment 210, posted at 17.07.19 16:38:06 by Bokhoring Reply
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 207) : Even a better read when the link is given

  • Comment 211, posted at 17.07.19 16:46:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 208) : Big loss, Sharks better make sure that the new coach is something special and can bring the whole Crusaders team with him.

  • Comment 212, posted at 17.07.19 16:49:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 208) : Mike Greenaway and friends 3 – 0 Sharks Rugby Union.

    I guess I know which Sharks I will also be supporting come the new season.

  • Comment 213, posted at 17.07.19 16:55:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 211) : Did Benedict not hang around here as well as on Ruggaworld?

  • Comment 214, posted at 17.07.19 16:56:51 by Bokhoring Reply
  • Guys please don’t be disrespectful to Rdp. Yes he lost it towards the end but he also achieved some milestones. We eventually beat the lions and played the best game of the year at Ellis Park smashing the lions. We won the CC and Rob was brave enough to back the young players. Is he a good coach. I think so. Did he make mistakes. Yes. Was he inexperienced for SR. Yes. So let’s not judge him based on what transpired in recent months only. Thanks for your service to the Sharks and good luck Rob.

  • Comment 215, posted at 17.07.19 19:02:13 by sudhir Reply

  • @Bokhoring (Comment 214) : Yes he did, I remember him being caught up in this but had no idea that it actually came from within the Sharks admin.

  • Comment 216, posted at 17.07.19 20:44:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 215) : Nicely said.

  • Comment 217, posted at 17.07.19 20:44:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 215) : +1

  • Comment 218, posted at 17.07.19 21:44:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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